Comments about ‘Swinton may be witness in FLDS evidence challenge’

No way is this biased judge going to let any evidence get thrown out; no way is she going to let the FLDS win. All of this will have to be decided on appeal, and all this business with Rozita is going to be very damaging to the state, and to the Governor. Of course the state is claiming this is work product, which is a joke. Their investigation of Rozita is a charade, just so they can refuse to release the evidence that they knew all along who she was. They will do everything they can to keep that evidence hidden, and eventually, they will say that they lost it.

Despite the fervor with which some people have tried to scapegoat the FLDS' abuses onto Rozita Swinton, it is irrational to believe doing so will work. The calls she may have made to battered women's shelters were not the only calls they received from FLDS enclaves. Some of the calls continued after the women and children were in custody, with a caller describing conditions in a temporary shelter. Furthermore, the entry to the Yearning for Zion Ranch by CPS and law enforcement was in good faith. Last, but certainly not least, additional evidence of child abuse was found in plain sight. The result is multiple grounds for admitting voluminous evidence against the FLDS.

This is the very reason why I protested against the FLDS raid. Now evidence will indeed be tossed and guilty men will go free. You must obey the laws of the land especially if you represent the law. I am not pro-flds but the writing was on a wall since the beginning with even the FLDS deserving the same rights that every other citizen shares.

The locals in Eldorado were worried about the FLDS taking over the county, so State Rep. Harvey Hilderbran sponsored a bill in 2005 that raised the legal age of consent to marry in Texas from 14 to 16. This was specifically targeted against the FLDS. When the FLDS moved to Texas the legal age was 14.

If the state really wants to stop child abuse, the CPS should concentrate on inner-city Dallas or Houston girls who conceived at age 15 or less. Jail the twenty-something men who impregnated them and attach their wages so the girls can be self-supporting (like the FLDS). Then prosecute the Planned Parenthood offices which refuse to identify the adult fathers who impregnate girls 15 or less. Those offices should be closed down.

It is not irrational when one knows where the person accused of abuse is located and it's not even in the state. The entry to the YFZ ranch was not in good faith when one considers that: 1. The person accused of abuse doesn't live in that state and his location was verifiable. 2. The police entered in military fashion using excessive means. 3. Individual homes were treated as one home that could be likened to one warrant per our apartment complexes...not even individual apartment buildings, but complex. 4. Despite the fact that there was indeed some abuse, the rate seems to be lower than outside the complex and not pervasive. It also assume that one can punish the many for the actions of a few. The next time your neighbor has a child removed for abuse, yours too can be removed since this is the precedent set forth by the FLDS raid. To cement this point, there were monogamous couples that also had their children removed for not reason than guilt by association. 5. There was no evidence "in plain sight." But a 37 year old woman was listed as minor despite legal documentation that was rejected by CPS.

The raid was not conducted in good faith. A small amount of investigation would have shown that these phone calls were hoaxes and that Dale Barlow was in Arizona. That's not good faith.

In Texas, a 14 year old girl gets pregnant every 10 hours.

Do whatever it takes to shut down these religious private prisons for good.

Witness the swiftness of the judge's response to the CPS request to seize 8 children and the slowness of her response to the FLDS request.

Interloper says: "Some of the calls continued after the women and children were in custody, with a caller describing conditions in a temporary shelter."
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Exactly. I hope those subpoenaed will tell who it was Rozita was working with on the inside, since it appears she had a lot of privileged information on the raid, as it happened.

Good to see you FLDS worshippers back. Keep dreaming.

The locals were worried about the FLDS taking over the county? lol. What they're worried about is the inappropriate and immoral lifestyle the FLDS live and perpetrate on women and children too young to know what their doing. I can certainly understand why the locals are thoroughly disgusted by what they have seen. There is PLENTY of evidence of abuse without Rozita Swinton.

You can't go on abusing women and children and flaunting the law forever. Eventually it catches up with you. Warren Jeffs established the YFZ Ranch because he was on the run from the law in Utah and Arizona. Now, he is paying the price for his disgusting, illegal behavior. He has admitted he is a FALSE PROPHET.

I hope all these men are now brought to justice. I hope victims like Elissa Wall win lawsuits and get all the FLDS assets. Then there might be a chance to save more victims and give these people a chance at a decent life.

Even if it is true that a 14-year-old girl in Texas gets pregnant every 10 minutes (and considering you're outside the YFZ Ranch), it isn't with the consent of her parents because their religious leader ordered it so...
What's more messed up: an insecure 14-year-old who feels the only way to feel loved is to get pregnant, or a 14-year-old who gets pregnant because she is forced into an arranged marriage by her brainwashed parents?

It never ceases to amaze me that simply demanding that all citizens be treated equally and fairly gets a "flds worshiper" response. What is absolutely not understood is that if we allow our government, in the form of the legal system, to treat one group unfairly, you might be the next unpopular group.

Again, a 14 year old gets pregnant every 10 hours. that rate is higher than the FLDS group. Why is it that we virtually ignore those non-flds girls? Is it because of the color of their skin? While the FLDS girls are white?

"The locals in Eldorado were worried about the FLDS taking over the county, so State Rep. Harvey Hilderbran sponsored a bill in 2005 that raised the legal age of consent to marry in Texas from 14 to 16. This was specifically targeted against the FLDS. When the FLDS moved to Texas the legal age was 14."

The change in law was targetted at using a loophole in the law to get away with raping young girls. The loophole was closed, but the FLDS decided that they were still above the law and continued forcing young girls into "marriages."

The town may be small, but having flds take over the town is ridiculus. This ranch started in 2003, and was going full force by 2005, if Flds wanted to run a candidate or even VOTE, they would of filled out voting cards... lol
Did they? NO they didnt, and didnt even ASK for registration cards till AFTER the raid.
Come on people get REAL!!!
Your grasping at straws!

Maybe some of you should brush up on Texas CPS laws and statutes. Its very eye opening. Cps had all the ducks in a row when it came to the warrants and search warrants.

It is almost hilarious to hear people like Cats speculate about what you think is going on with the FLDS. I guess that explains it, you aren't "people"; you're a cat. Truth is, you just don't know what you are talking about. You are going to be embarrassed someday for thinking you knew it all when you didn't. I wish you could know the truth for yourself, but you're too blind and to prejudiced to see it.

Looks like the FLDS does a better job of locating Swinton than CPS. How about that for an investigation.
We keep hearing about the evidence that CPS "saw" that allowed the warrant for removal of the children. They "saw" two pregnant adults. Two pregnant adults. Two pregnant adults. Two pregnant adults.
They saw no "Sarah"......not a "pregnant Sarah" or a pregnant Sarahs' eight month old child.
The nighttime "interogations" provided useless information transcribed by four CPS women with little sleep and kept awake by coffee........just read the Voss description of the events.
The confusion created by CPS created the conditions needed by CPS to provide the non-existant persons seen by CPS.
This whole mess was created by CPS.

The problem remains that there were MONOGAMOUS and INNOCENT of ANY crime that were handled with the same measure as those guilty. It also remains that 14 year olds outside the FLDS group get pregnant to "feel loved" and at a higher rate than FLDS girls. You need only watch an episode of Maury for confirmation. Some even do so with parental consent since those very parents did exactly the same. I personally feel that those parents should be charged with accomplice to statutory rape. Again, it is all about applying the law equally and which seems not to be the case.

For the record, I am not FLDS but card carrying agnostic.