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Ron | 12:50 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Russell , someone from a rural area i thought would have more sense, becauses i figured you liked the mountains and the outdoors.
The Rocky mountain Pine beetle is killing alot of Lodgepole pine in Utah and Colorado.
What kills the Pine Beetle? COLD WINTER WEATHER and we are not having the winters to kill the beetle so they are killing the forest.

GeeBee | 1:07 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

So enough with all this conservation and attempts at cleaning up our air...

Lew Jeppson | 1:43 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Every day on KSL radio Sean Hannity repeats the "global warming hoax" mantra. Whereas at the last University of Utah commencement Nobel Prize winner Mario Capecchi reaffirmed the reality of global warming and its fix - reduction in CO2 emissions. Are you saying I should believe Hannity over Capecchi? You've got to be kidding.

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Grimble | 3:13 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Well then, if someone from Nephi said it in a letter to the editor, it must be true. Forget about all those scientists!

Jason | 5:52 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

People who continue to deny the fact that global warming exists are fools! And this letter writer is a good example of that! When will people start waking up? 100+ degree weather this summer in Utah? Are you kidding me? I've lived here 30+ years and have never experience a summer like this before. The evidence is overwhelming. The only reason why the naysayers are saying no is because they hate Al Gore and that is the only reason to even attempt to debunk global warming because it came from Al Gore. Scientists for decades have warned us about global warming, long before Al Gore got on the green bandwagon. He did not invent the idea. Give me a break. Typical conservative stupidity!

Doug | 6:04 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Basically, if we hadn't had global warming, we'd still be in an Ice Age with glaciers covering the planet. The question now is..how much impact does Human activity have on the change..based on temperature readings since the 1800's ..very little, if any! For my part, I believe the global warming scare is another "DDT"/"End of the World" scam.

Nathan Seegmiller | 6:23 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Global warming is a hoax....It's just a ruse to get a global carbon tax imposed on the peoples of the world.

Nathan Seegmiller | 6:30 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Global Warming is a hoax...It's just a ruse to impose a global carbon tax on the peoples of the world.

Anonymous | 6:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

So what do conservatives like Russell aim to conserve anyway?

@Ron | 6:51 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

That comment reflects your lack of scientific understanding. No worries mate, very few others demonstrate much thought on this page.

Matthew | 6:59 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Regardless of the evidence that weather is changing (and the idea that change is new), CO2 has not been successfully (scientifically) tied to the changes we've seen (I know itï¿½s hard to believe based on what we hear).

It has been stated and argued that "all things being equal" an increase in CO2 will cause an increase in temperature. However, the atmospheric feedback mechanisms involved, whether positive or negative, are under-studied and not understood. See publications by climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer for clarification.

The most impressive erroneous belief, held by many scientists and laymen alike, is the idea that we are approaching a tipping-point or a ï¿½point of no return.ï¿½ This conclusion is based on a numeric model (singular within the IPCC report) and assumed ï¿½climate sensitivityï¿½ variables. See a recent, peer-reviewed publication by Lord Monckton of Brenchley for a thorough analysis of this portion of the IPCC report.

This is GOOD NEWS, folks.

Scientists | 7:04 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

I will go with the Majority of scientists on this issue. Stop the ignorance and educate yourself- at least respect the earth and try to do your part in keeping the air and water clean

Anonymous | 7:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Oh brother.
Yet another wacked-out Limbaughite spouting partisan party BS.

Fry | 7:29 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Are you related to the Bender on Futurama? I'm betting on it!

Oil's made a bundle too! | 7:40 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

This writer accuses Al Gore of making a bundle on perpetuating public acceptance of the science behind global warming. But haven't the oil companies made a bundle too in denying global warming, defeating fuel efficiency standards in cars, and making us more dependent on oil? Haven't George Bush and Dick Cheney profited (their investments, retirement funds, etc.) from setting policies that keep America dependent on oil? Haven't the oil companies made a bundle on a resource that pollutes the air and funds terrorists, Mideast oil barrons, and Venesuela? What's worse -- believing in global warming OR sticking with the status quo that profits some, but threatens America's security and quality of life?

Gee Ron | 8:09 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Hey Ron- the Pine Beetle is more prevelant in southern states like GA, MS, AL, FL, SC, etc. These are areas that may get a hard freeze every 5 years. It's not global warming that helps the beetles. It's enviros that enact legislation to keep foresters from thinning the dead pine trees that helps grow the beetle population.

dcc | 8:10 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

The real bundle is made by the oil companies. They had record profits last quarter. They are certainly not concerned with driving the US economy into the ground. I prefer to drive less, buy less gas and thumb my nose at the oil companies and the Saudi's.

Mc | 8:18 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Ron,
It's just part of the natural cycles that the earth has always gone through. Warming periods followed by cooling periods. Something to adjust to, not panic over, especially since man really has no control.

Karl | 9:05 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Yes, I filthier the air the better I like it.
Please, please, keep having large famlies, and do not try and make things on earth inhabitable for future generations.

Lets hurry and distroy the earth because we have our God given rights.

DL Rupper | 9:12 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Global warming is all about control. Control of you and me. What a hoax.

Anonymous | 9:20 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

I've come to believe that many who dismiss global warming are selfish and lazy. It's way easier to maintain the status quo than accept any lifestyle change.

@ Lew Jeppson | 9:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Are you saying I should give any weight to recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize? Al Gore, Yasser Arafat. You have got to be kidding!

Brian | 9:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Search You Tube for Global Warming...and get an education.

MEB | 10:00 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Right, Grimble, forget about all of those scientists who have been saying all along that man's contribution to global warming is negligible. Forget all of those scientists who signed onto the original IPCC findings, but have since retracted based on new findings. Only listen to the scientists who are pandering for more Federal funding.

MEB | 10:02 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

I don't know, Anonymous 6:44, why don't you support a liberal use of our resources?

wrz | 10:06 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

"Are you saying I should believe Hannity over Capecchi? You've got to be kidding." - Lew Jeppson

Lew, too funny. Hannity is not a scientist. When he talks global warming he is referencing other scientists.

There's logical arguments on each side of the issue. One thing's for sure. The earth has had hundreds of heating and cooling periods over the last 400,000 years... But only this one man-made??? Um, quantum leap.

Anonymous | 10:07 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

are we still having this discussion? I haven't noticed too many global warming stories this summer - on account of it being so cool I imagine

Sleepin' in the bed we made | 10:09 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

American schools have done a terrible job teaching students how science works. We've become a nation of science-illiterates.

Mr. Bender is a perfect example.

One more time, people. AM radio blowhards gassing about a "hoax" and sneering about Al Gore does not constitute a valid rebuttal to the research done by professional climate researchers.

Ernest T. Bass | 10:19 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Why is it the repugs think its a hoax but actual scientists, the ones who study physics, chemistry and climate believe it's real?
The repugs need to remove their repug goggles and see the world and it's problems for what they are.
Republican 'leadership' is taking us every so quickly downhill.
Besides that, many of the republicans around here believe in actual hoaxes.

Agki | 10:22 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Roy Spencer believes that the Oregon Institute for Science and Medicine petition actually means something. He said (in 2007) that the signatures of the 19,000 "scientists" are being ignored. Of course! The petition is a hoax as is the OISM!

Tommie | 10:26 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

I am honestly getting SICK AND TIRED OF THIS! WHY is it okay for liberals, democrats, and anybody but conservatives to have any view they want and not be an ignorant, naive, wackjob, but of course conservatives are crazy because of their views?

Honestly, STOP IT! Don't attack the person, as most do in this forum, maybe attack the idea, and give reasons why the writer is wrong, which I don't is possible because the evidence suggesting it doesn't exist is very large( Like the fact that the ice caps and glaciers aren't melting, or that Volcanoes let out more C02 naturally than humans have produced since the begining of the industrial age to present combined).

MAN MADE global warming is a farce, and regardless of what you believe on this issue, don't attack a person because they don't hold your views.

Grimble | 10:33 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Matthew cites one outlier scientist, Roy Spencer. The overwhelming scientific consensus makes Spencer look like a moonbat.

To McCain a sentence from Wikipedia: "With the July 2007 release of the revised statement by the American Association of Petroleum Geologists[!], no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate."

So, we have every national and international body of scientists on one side. We have Roy Spencer and the letter writer from Nephi on the other.

Hmmm....

wrz | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Oil's made a bundle too! 7:40 a.m. - "This writer accuses Al Gore of making a bundle on perpetuating public acceptance of the science behind global warming. But haven't the oil companies made a bundle too in denying global warming..."

First, I don't think you can say oil companies have denied global warming. I think you'd be hard pressed to show they have said anything about it. Further, there is nothing illegal about making a bundle. These companies are owned by stockholders for whom they work, and it's their charge to maximize profits. It's called the American free enterprise system.

thats funny | 10:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

mc were supposed to be in a cooling period

Sue | 10:53 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

"I've come to believe that many who dismiss global warming are selfish and lazy. It's way easier to maintain the status quo than accept any lifestyle change."- So true, so true!! And to selfish and lazy, I'd add "ignorant."

Tommie | 11:17 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

To Ernest T. Bass:

There are plenty of scientists that have proof it is a hoax. Liberals just don't like to cite their findings.

Oh Please | 11:44 a.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Fact: average air temperature has increased 1.33 degrees since 1910. (Temperature long-term trend between 1400 AD and 1900 AD was virtually invariable.)Fact: CO2 has increased from 315 to 385 ppm since 1960. What these numbers signify, I don't know. But global warming is not a "hoax," it is a measurable and well-established fact.

Anonymous | 12:23 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Most the anti global warming arguments I've read break down when I research them. Once cold fusion was touted. After peer review cold fusion became a joke. Science weeds out bad science.

Tommie | 12:55 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

The idea that volcanoes produce more CO2 than humans is false. Please google USGS volcanoes carbon dioxide to find out that humans produce 130 times the CO2 of volcanoes annually.

MEB | 12:58 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

@Ernest - Google "Global Warming Scientists" and the first thing you come to (you can even hit "I feel lucky") is a Wikipedia list of some of the hundreds of scientists who have come out against the global warming hoax.

And don't lecture me about science until you can tell me what 3 Trillion divided by 300 Million turns out to be. I think you still believe it's 1 million!

dcc | 1:08 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Tommie:
the right-wing talking heads started the name calling and you didn't seem to find that objectionable. Now it's coming back at you and you don't like it. Well TOO BAD and get used to it!

Go find the scientists.

Grimble | 1:11 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Tommie and others:

The reason liberals tend to use strong language is because conservative won't listen to simple reason, reasonably stated. There is an overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming -- those that dispute it are in the very, very tiny minority. But they are very, very loud, because they are given a megaphone by Limbaugh and the oil industry.

So when conservatives here in the Utah bubble call anything they don't agree with a media conspiracy, because they simply can't fathom that the right-wing media has been so unbelievably wrong and misleading, forgive us liberals for raising our voices every so often.

Mark | 1:14 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Matthew, my fellow synoptic, only someone delusional could interpret the increase in CO2 and attendant climate change as "good news". Please do not malign a perfectly good phrase that is associated with the Gospel.

Enron | 1:15 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Gee Ron, by your reasoning, the healthiest forests in the world are the one's most managed by humans, and the forests "where the hand of man has never set foot", are doubtless weak and struggling, almost dead. I'm pretty sure I read this in National Geographic.

To Utah Hannity lovers | 1:43 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

To many people, especially in the state of Utah love to believe in Hoax's.
And they hate to actually use ligitimate sources for their information.
They prefer to listen to the radio, and use reading sources that only agree with their illogical conclusions, and usually the ideas are set forth by shills for the oil companys, and other such trash.
They hate the idea of peer reviewed science that the majority of scientists use to study and make their conclusions.
This non-thinking is learned in church usually.
It is called "ward speak". Along with Global warming Red Utah loves to believe false rumers about the (black guy) Obama being a secret shill for the muslims and other such trash.
Grow up Utah. Why don't you care about the earth?

Charles | 2:11 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Jason,

Thanks for the laugh. Hot in Utah this summer? We haven't even had 5 days over 100, the average! Last year we had 17 days over 100.

Talk about ignorance on the subject.

And there is no, none, nada, scientific data that says any global warming is caused by man. Isn't it wonderful to have high's today, August 16th of high 70's and low 80's and many Maple trees on 3rd East in Draper are changing their colors as of yesterday.

Grimble and ETBass continue to show huge ignorance on all issues. Just liberal political hacks who spew their garbage each day....

to Oh Please and temperatures during the last 7-8 years have decreased. So what make you of those facts....well-established? in your ALgore mind maybe but not the rest of the world who can think for themselves...

The debate isn't over, the consensus was a joke....

What's amazing | 2:32 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

is the intellectual contortions required to avoid acceptance of any responsibility for the health of the planet.
Some day we're going to have to pay the piper for our over-consumption and it's not going to be pretty.
We can't live on credit forever....
What's even more amazing is that you can deny that the climate is changing as a result of human activity, but you can believe in a supernatural being in the sky. Wow.
Our species has a long way to go.
I hope we get there.

wrz | 2:36 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Increases in CO2 merely means we've cut down too much forest. Reseed vigorously and the problem mostly goes away.

Mike Richards | 2:37 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

There is a lot of controversy about the "scientists" that support global warming.

From Wikipedia:

"The work of the IPCC has attracted controversy and criticism, including some from experts invited by the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] to submit reports or serve on its panels.

In blog posts, Roger A. Pielke contends that the IPCC distorted the evidence by not including scientific results that questioned anthropogenic [caused by humans] global warming. These criticisms have been described as "failed" by William Connolley. Pielke also perceived a conflict of interest in the IPCC assessment process, since the "same individuals who are doing primary research in the role of humans on the climate system are then permitted to lead the assessment! ... Assessment Committees should not be an opportunity for members to highlight their own research." There is no obvious solution to this problem, since scientists with sufficient knowledge of the field to serve on the IPCC and scientists who have written noteworthy papers in the field are essentially the same group."

Grover | 3:09 p.m. Aug. 16, 2008

Hey,hey why waste all these characters on Global Warming and just create more heat? If we fix problem of our dependence on foreign oil, we will become the world leader and model of greenhouse gas control at the same time. HENCE, no controversy! Unless you also deny our dependence on terrorist oil?

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