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All While.... | 2:17 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
The rich get richer.
George W. Bush must love the rising fuel costs as an oil barron himself. But as the cash crunch keeps on coming, I can still look forward to Utahns voting status quo and keep on sending the rich Republicans back to Washington.
"This budget crunch really is putting a damper on back-to-school. Who did we vote for last time? Oh yeah, they did a good job, check that box."
Wake up, this recession (yes RECESSION) was brought to you by 6 years of Republican controlled Congress, 8 Years of Republican White House, and 2 years of Democrats getting vetoed and stonewalled by those same Repubicans. So what will we do as Utahns? Vote in the same old party, with the same old people?
George W. Bush must love the rising fuel costs as an oil barron himself. But as the cash crunch keeps on coming, I can still look forward to Utahns voting status quo and keep on sending the rich Republicans back to Washington.
"This budget crunch really is putting a damper on back-to-school. Who did we vote for last time? Oh yeah, they did a good job, check that box."
Wake up, this recession (yes RECESSION) was brought to you by 6 years of Republican controlled Congress, 8 Years of Republican White House, and 2 years of Democrats getting vetoed and stonewalled by those same Repubicans. So what will we do as Utahns? Vote in the same old party, with the same old people?
S Car | 4:57 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
If you have only $500 to spend on clothes-you are not exactly poor. What's
the matter with the sewing machine and washing machine? According to my
calculations you bought 4 jeans per child. You only need 2 jeans per child-wash
yer clothes lady. Dust off the sewing machine and make some clothes at a
"discount" price.
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Bob G | 5:43 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
If parents would support the school uniform programs the back to school costs
for clothing would be much easier to bear. And the clothes would be of much
better quality than the chineses throwaway 30 day garments. Uniforms could be
passed down through large families and make school clothes shopping a simple
task. There is value in a school uniform dress code beyond personal attitudes of
students toward each other. Meanwhile, retail sellers don't get it yet and
keep trying to convince the consumers they need to add more debt to their
portifolio of already maxed out debt. Retailers and all businesses need to learn
their is more to life than the indentured servitude of consumers and corporate
mismanagement of its resources. The days of plenty really never existed as it
was all a ruse buried in the annals of debt. Debt and prosperity can't
co-exist, not for long anyway. Consumers have learned that plastic money really
isn't a part of their income. Then to spend and save is impossible,
antother ruse. Retailers are facing a reality unseen for 50 years, no middle
class consumers anymore. Prosperity does not exist and the american dream to be
self sufficient is deing.
orion | 6:24 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I hadn't realized so many clothes came from China. I cringe to think of all
the sweat-shop apparel I am wearing. I would rather pay more than wear
slave-market goods; or support their lead export industry.
SLC gal | 6:51 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Her daughter was -complaining - becuase she only got one pair of shoes!!!! Oh my
heck!!!! You know how many kids outside of Draper would consider one pair a
blessing!!!!!!!!
Linda | 7:09 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Bob G is right about the school uniforms, my oldest child attended schools
through the 4th grade that used uniforms, and it was amazing how much money was
saved. The uniforms were so well made (and I made some too)that they lasted for
years and were passed down to my other children.
When we moved, there were no more school uniforms and our clothing budget increased, even though I still make some clothing, it's expensive and I really wish for those uniform days!
Having uniforms are a positive in many ways, children dress alike, no one has better clothes than anyone else, which socially I think is helpful. We lived in an area where there were gangs, and the uniforms in schools helped with children dressing to identify with gangs. Why don't we incorporate school uniforms? There are so many positive aspects involved, it is something that might help!
When we moved, there were no more school uniforms and our clothing budget increased, even though I still make some clothing, it's expensive and I really wish for those uniform days!
Having uniforms are a positive in many ways, children dress alike, no one has better clothes than anyone else, which socially I think is helpful. We lived in an area where there were gangs, and the uniforms in schools helped with children dressing to identify with gangs. Why don't we incorporate school uniforms? There are so many positive aspects involved, it is something that might help!
Momma | 7:18 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I have to agree with S Car - only $500? That woman is not poor. Please, give me
a break. We have a decent income, but I would never ever budget that much for
school clothes. Is there something wrong with wearing clothes you already own?
Or going to the thrift store and getting like-new clothes for a couple of bucks?
My kids would be in heaven if I said OK we have $500 for clothes! The party
would be on! It's just ridiculous that we are supposed to feel sorry for
anyone who 'only' has $500. What a joke. We will be spending $100 max
on all our 3 kids, and get a ton of stuff. What is the obsession in America
with having to buy back-to-school clothes anyway? The whole idea is fed to us
by the 'industry'. Use what you already have for goodness sake!
Cat | 7:33 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
To S Car - You abviously havn't been to a fabric store lately. It costs
much more to sew clothes as it does to buy them. The fabric alone is $5 - $10/
yard. It's why I've stopped sewing my kids clothes. However, my kids
are already used to having me say no to buying everything they want. I also have
them on a clothing allowance. Once it's gone it's gone. It's
amazing how thrifty they can get.
One who likes to sew | 7:43 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I'm afraid sewing doesn't save a lot of money any more. It's hard
to find fabric stores in many areas that carry more than crafting and quilting
fabric. It's even harder to find quality clothing fabric and patterns that
cost less than going out and buying the same middle-quality item of clothing.
Does anyone know any secrets that can make sewing a real money-saver again?
new clothes | 7:46 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
After being in Utah for a year or so, it dawned on me the "back to
school" ritual of new school supplies and new clothes was pretty lame. My
kids had been out of school for three weeks before starting the next grade.
They didn't need new clothes. Their crayons and pencils and notebooks
still had a lot of use left. Life changes. Schedules change. We started
taking a better look at our "traditional" buying patterns and made
some changes that have been like "found" money to us which we've
chosen to use for memorable vacations and long-term investments.
Mom on a budget | 8:01 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
$500 on clothes?! That's ridiculous.
I did most of my back to school shopping at DI. (Fortunately my kids are still too young to care that their clothes are second hand.) It takes a little effort to sort through the junk to find the good stuff but you can find it.
My kids are going back to school in name brand clothes and it cost me $50.
I did most of my back to school shopping at DI. (Fortunately my kids are still too young to care that their clothes are second hand.) It takes a little effort to sort through the junk to find the good stuff but you can find it.
My kids are going back to school in name brand clothes and it cost me $50.
Mom of 5 | 8:31 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I have to second the vote for Shopko. They have some really cute junior size
clothes there all the time. Unfortunately, I have to buy my kids new clothes
because they are teenage boys which means they are growing like weeds, and they
wear their shoes and clothes out, so they can't be passed down (except for
the Sunday ones). I won't be going to the mall, though. I'm also a
teacher, so I usually like to buy some back to school clothes for me, too, but I
probably won't this year.
Been There . . . | 8:55 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Hey S Car, she's a single mother of 5 - that means she is probably working
full time and then some. When is she going to find time to sew clothes??
Earth Mom | 8:59 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
We too give our boys a clothing allowance each month. Now that they have a
budget, the DI doesn't look so bad. Besides, a lot of the clothes there
are name brands and some of them have never been worn. In buying used clothes
from the DI I feel like I am helping the earth by "reusing". What
ever happened to that wonderful pioneer motto, "Fix it up, wear it out,
make it do, or do without." ??
phoebe | 9:05 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I have done some back to school shopping for grandchildren. I bought 6 outfits
for $180.00 at JCPenneys. All items were on sale.
Sometimes more inexpensive clothing is really not a bargain because they don't hold up well. Some fabrics shrink too much and don't hold the shape.
Sometimes more inexpensive clothing is really not a bargain because they don't hold up well. Some fabrics shrink too much and don't hold the shape.
To One who likes to sew | 9:13 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Joanne's has a great selection of fabrics and they are always having a
sale. I picked up cordury for 3 a yard a few weeks ago. They also have about
one weekend a month when patterns are around 1. You can sign up to receive
coupons for 40% off also. My daughter will be uniforms this year, and I have
made about half of what she will need. Shopko had great uniform clothing for a
really great price also.
HeatherD | 9:18 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Discover the joys of thrift-store shopping. You can buy all your school clothes
for only 50-100 bucks. I don't bother with DI (too many 80s clothes, ha)
but I'm an avid Savers fan. The Savers in Layton is my fav, though the
ones in Orem and on 70th south are pretty good too. Also the DI in West Jordan
isn't bad. With thrift stores I can find much more eccentric outfits that
fit my style. Budget $20 a month and visit every 2 weeks or so and you can
build up a pretty snazzy wardrobe. The only other place I get clothes is Hot
Topic. The only problem is there you have to buy it from a vampire. :)
Anonymous | 9:18 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Just went to ShopKo and got out of there for $130 buying clothes for my 13 year
old and 11 year old. We also got a lot of pencils, notebooks, etc. included in
that price.
Nice clothes at a great price.
However, even if you buy the cheap stuff it only has to last one year before they outgrow it anyway!
It isn't hard if you just look around for sales.
Even better, just tell the whining kids no!
Nice clothes at a great price.
However, even if you buy the cheap stuff it only has to last one year before they outgrow it anyway!
It isn't hard if you just look around for sales.
Even better, just tell the whining kids no!
Hey Been There | 9:30 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I'm sure there is spare time out there. I'm not saying it's
easy, but oh well that's life. People worked a lot more hours 50-60 years
ago, and got by on a lot less. Instead of looking for someone to blame, or
trying to figure out a way to have the governemnt give us something. Let's
do what our our ancestors did, and make it work.
Best thing I ever did... | 9:53 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Best thing I ever did was give my teenage daughters a set amount for school
clothes -- now instead of Mom forking out $40 for 1 sweater, they think twice
before making purchases and plan how they want to spend their money so they can
get enough shirts, pants, socks, etc. If they want to blow $70 on 1 pair of
shoes, they can, but they have to think what they will delete from the wish list
in order to do it. They are much more frugal with "their" money
instead of mine.
Matthew | 9:59 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Actually people did NOT work more hours 50-60 years ago. That is something that
is tracked and, on average, average Americans are working more NOW.
$500 for 5 kids equal $100 per kid. Let's just say that each kid needs 2 pair of jeans and a pair of dress slacks or a skirt ($30). Then they need 8 shirts or blouses($40), underwear ($10), socks ($10), shoes ($30), and a coat ($20). For whatever reason, girls cloths cost more, so I hope the poor woman didn't have 5 girls. Anyway I come up with $140 per kid being minimal for buying new. I used to feel like a real tight wad setting a limit of $100 per kid six years ago and my wife would then fill in the gaps from thrift stores. There is no way you can cloth 5 school-aged kids for $500 buying new in 2008. Clothing one kindergartener for $100, maybe, but their cloths get more expensive as they get bigger. Our society also embraces the notion that kids with less than a $300 wardrode are social pariahs. That is where the uniforms really result in savings.
$500 for 5 kids equal $100 per kid. Let's just say that each kid needs 2 pair of jeans and a pair of dress slacks or a skirt ($30). Then they need 8 shirts or blouses($40), underwear ($10), socks ($10), shoes ($30), and a coat ($20). For whatever reason, girls cloths cost more, so I hope the poor woman didn't have 5 girls. Anyway I come up with $140 per kid being minimal for buying new. I used to feel like a real tight wad setting a limit of $100 per kid six years ago and my wife would then fill in the gaps from thrift stores. There is no way you can cloth 5 school-aged kids for $500 buying new in 2008. Clothing one kindergartener for $100, maybe, but their cloths get more expensive as they get bigger. Our society also embraces the notion that kids with less than a $300 wardrode are social pariahs. That is where the uniforms really result in savings.
Anonymous | 11:01 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
My kids get one new pair of shoes, a new shirt, and a new pair of pants for
school. If they want more than that, they buy it themselves. I also set a
limit on what I will pay for the new outfit. If it costs too much they pay the
rest. They are really thrifty shoppers on their own because of this. My
daughter loves Aeropostale and has found great deals on the clearance rack. She
got about five new shirts for $1.99 each.
Runner | 11:12 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I wish I had 500$ to spend on clothes for my kids. Give me a break, I guess
I'm really cheap.
mom from Idaho | 11:24 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
"School clothes" are not the big expense for us. Our district
requires the students to buy a LONG list of supplies for each classroom. Not
just glue and scissors, but dry erase markers for the teacher, band-aids,
kleenex, sponges, calculators, locks for the lockers, etc... We spend $50 -
$100 on supplies per child, so there is not much left over for anything else.
Most of these items can't be reused and it about breaks our budget every
year. When I was in school, it seemed these things were paid for out of the
school budget, and we just needed a few folders and pencils. And this from a
state where the lottery supposedly funds education!! It's pathetic.
Catherine | 11:51 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Part of having kids is paying for the expenses of having kids. Why are parents
so shocked? Did they not think of this before they decided to have children?
Food, shelter, clothing, medical bills, etc. are just the basic expenses and
parents are acting like this came out of nowhere and is some surprise. Those
cute little babies do grow up into school-aged children/teenagers who will need
clothing and school supplies. It's part of life, it's part of having
kids, so do your best and stop complaining about it being "SOOOOO
expensive."
mom from Oklahoma | 11:58 a.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I want to chime in with "mom from Idaho". Here too we are given a
LONG LIST of supplies our child MUST PROVIDE for the classroom stock. Yes,
these items are not for MY child, they are to stock up classroom supply. In
fact, today I have to go shopping for this:
1 Elmers Glue
1 Box of Kleenex
1 School pencil box
5" fiskar scissors
50 ct 5oz paper cups
24 #2 pencils pre-sharpened
16ct box Crayola Crayons
2 70pg Spiral comp book wide rule
2 Pocket folders
20ct box ziploc quart size freezer bags
20ct box ziploc gallon size freezer bags
Pink Eraser
Now....this is just for ONE child, who is in FIRST GRADE!!! And we have a "lottery for education" here as well. I'm sure not seeing it help my child or his school. After buying these items, WITH WHAT MONEY am I supposed to buy him a pair of jeans and a pair of shoes???? I'm just praying his long sleeved shirts I got him last year for Kindergarten fit him again this year. It really hacks me off that schools REQUIRE these items to stock the classrooms. REDICULOUS!
1 Elmers Glue
1 Box of Kleenex
1 School pencil box
5" fiskar scissors
50 ct 5oz paper cups
24 #2 pencils pre-sharpened
16ct box Crayola Crayons
2 70pg Spiral comp book wide rule
2 Pocket folders
20ct box ziploc quart size freezer bags
20ct box ziploc gallon size freezer bags
Pink Eraser
Now....this is just for ONE child, who is in FIRST GRADE!!! And we have a "lottery for education" here as well. I'm sure not seeing it help my child or his school. After buying these items, WITH WHAT MONEY am I supposed to buy him a pair of jeans and a pair of shoes???? I'm just praying his long sleeved shirts I got him last year for Kindergarten fit him again this year. It really hacks me off that schools REQUIRE these items to stock the classrooms. REDICULOUS!
When my daughter was | 12:08 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
in school, I bought one nice outfit for her to start school in and then we
shopped sales and thrift stores the rest of the school year and added to her
wardrobe so she always had something new. I was a single mom with one child and
struggling (of course I lived in California to add to the financial stress).
She is now buying her soon-to-be Kindergartener outfits but shops sales and
second hand. By shopping smart, she got shoes, outfits, and a backpack for
$120--in California. It is possible to keep to a budget and think before
buying.
to Mom from Oklahoma | 12:23 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
That list adds up to about $12...especially if you hurry and shop the sales.
Most of those school items (glue, crayons, folders, eraser) are fifty cents or
less right now. The most expensive items would be the ziploc bags.
Mom from AZ | 12:32 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I agree with others that 500.00 is more than ample. I shop at Savers and we
could have had a heyday with 500.00. Even my teenage daughter is willing to shop
there and often finds name brand clothes, some with tags still on. If money is
truly tight, don't spend your time at Old Navy or other mall stores.
As far as the REQUIRED school supplies that some are complaining about, if your child is in a public school, those supplies are not required. Your child has a right to a free and appropriate public education according to law, and although the teacher can ASK for supplies, the school cannot require them. This year I decided to boycott the ziploc bags and hand sanitizer requests, because my daughter's kindergarten teacher last year had a ton left over at the end of the year. Guess what? I didn't send them, and nothing happened to me. No ziploc police showed up at my house! :-) If you don't have the money, don't buy them.
As far as the REQUIRED school supplies that some are complaining about, if your child is in a public school, those supplies are not required. Your child has a right to a free and appropriate public education according to law, and although the teacher can ASK for supplies, the school cannot require them. This year I decided to boycott the ziploc bags and hand sanitizer requests, because my daughter's kindergarten teacher last year had a ton left over at the end of the year. Guess what? I didn't send them, and nothing happened to me. No ziploc police showed up at my house! :-) If you don't have the money, don't buy them.
School Fees | 12:55 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Forget the clothes... what about the fees. It will cost minimum $100 to
register my son for high school - without sports fees or the fees for classes
($5 for math, $30 for art, $15 for science, etc). Then come the fundraisers,
the sport uniforms (extra from the fees for each sport), and the school supplies
for each class.
Anonymous | 12:58 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
"Back to school" shopping is nothing but a marketing tactic by the
industry that spoiled, whiny kids latch onto. I never got "back to
school" clothes because all my summer clothes worked just fine for the
first two months of school. Why should my mom buy me new clothes when I
didn't need them? Even as a kid I understood that. I didn't whine for
new clothes or seven pairs of shoes. Parents today are raising a generation of
spoiled, "all about me" brats.
A in LA | 1:15 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I have an idea, why don't some of you - who have a lot to say about what
this lady is doing wrong and how you could do it better put some of your skills
to work.
Have you ever thought you might organize a "back to School" yard sale? Everyone could mend, wash/iron their kid's old school clothes - the ones that are good, but have been outgrown by their kids, and bring them to one place, sort them according to sizes, and then everyone could look thru and pick up things they could use for their kids at prices that everyone could afford. There are lots of ways you could organize it, and it would be fun to all work together on something like this - especially if you can pick up a bargain or two yourself. Just a thought.
Have you ever thought you might organize a "back to School" yard sale? Everyone could mend, wash/iron their kid's old school clothes - the ones that are good, but have been outgrown by their kids, and bring them to one place, sort them according to sizes, and then everyone could look thru and pick up things they could use for their kids at prices that everyone could afford. There are lots of ways you could organize it, and it would be fun to all work together on something like this - especially if you can pick up a bargain or two yourself. Just a thought.
K | 1:15 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Some districts (public school) don't cover the cost of school supplies or
classroom supplies either. What a shame!
Calculators are the big expense and clothes. They can run $25 for middle school to over a hundred in high school. You usually get only a few years out of them as the school wants everyone on the same calculator so you can't pass them down to younger children.
As for the clothes: 3 bottoms, 5 tops to include a sweater/hoody for cooler climates, socks and undergarments, shoes. Uniform or no that should do it until Christmas and birthdays to stretch out the wardrobe. Old Navy may last a few handme downs more than Walmart or at least provide a good resale at a garage sale. Sounds like a good deal on the jeans.
I like the Eyres philosophy. Give the kids the money at the appropriate age and let make the decision on clothes: where the money should go and for what. Kids learn real fast what's necessary and what's excess.
Calculators are the big expense and clothes. They can run $25 for middle school to over a hundred in high school. You usually get only a few years out of them as the school wants everyone on the same calculator so you can't pass them down to younger children.
As for the clothes: 3 bottoms, 5 tops to include a sweater/hoody for cooler climates, socks and undergarments, shoes. Uniform or no that should do it until Christmas and birthdays to stretch out the wardrobe. Old Navy may last a few handme downs more than Walmart or at least provide a good resale at a garage sale. Sounds like a good deal on the jeans.
I like the Eyres philosophy. Give the kids the money at the appropriate age and let make the decision on clothes: where the money should go and for what. Kids learn real fast what's necessary and what's excess.
Jess | 1:26 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
School uniforms are a great idea. They have been used successfully in many
countries including the USA. They cost less in the long run. They can look
good and we don't have students envying other students because of their
neat clothes. Also, there are no immodest clothing problems.
The reason for the long list of supplies is because the schools can't afford the school supplies as long as the disrict is funding school sports. What's really important? Education for all the students or games for big guys?
The reason for the long list of supplies is because the schools can't afford the school supplies as long as the disrict is funding school sports. What's really important? Education for all the students or games for big guys?
Anonymous | 1:59 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
We have had our tight times and now things are much better. I still don't
spend that much for school. The clothes they have are fine. We buy as they
need them and watch for good sales and stock up then. When the stores are
clearancing their winter stuff, get a size bigger for later. I got $600 worth
of clothes at JC Penny's for $70. I'm not a shopper either, I
don't spend all my spare time doing it. It is alot easier to buy a couple
pairs of jeans a month then all at once. My kids also hear the word
"no". If it is more than I want to spend they can either make up the
difference or skip it.
Anonymous | 1:57 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
But oh no, we can't have school uniforms. They would stifle students'
individualism. Unfortunately, all too many parents let their kids run the asylum
and feed them that tripe and tell the parents what to do rather than the other
way around. Thus, any widespread attempt to implement school uniforms will be
slow in coming and public schools will continue to be "I'm better and
cooler than you" fashion shows rather than places of learning.
Thinker | 2:24 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Everyone should know children are expensive.It would be nice to limit your
offspring to a reasonable number rather than complain about costs!
A | 3:43 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
"Thinker" what an absurd comment.
Steve | 3:56 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Part of living within your means is limiting the number of children you have.
If you're struggling to make ends meet with only 1 or 2 children, then
it's time to stop having kids until your financial situation
changes/improves. You shouldn't just keep popping out kids and then
complain about the cost of school items/raising them.
If you're very well off, then fine... have 5 or 8 kids if you want. But if you both have low paying jobs, barely earning above minimum wage then you must decide to either not have kids or limit it to 1 or 2.
If you're very well off, then fine... have 5 or 8 kids if you want. But if you both have low paying jobs, barely earning above minimum wage then you must decide to either not have kids or limit it to 1 or 2.
To Thinker | 4:15 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
I wouldn't broadcast that your a thinker with comments like that. Even with
one or two kids the economy changes,people loose jobs, divorce death
etc.Don't ever think your set financially based on the number of kids you
have, anything can happen!
Anonymous | 10:50 p.m. Aug. 11, 2008
Children are not as expensive as everyone seems to think. Its our materialistic
society that has intertwined the mentality of what is really needed and what is
just wants. I have several children and divorced, I get clothing items on sale
here and there, I don't do the back to school clothing purchases, but buy
as needed.
My older children have all gotten jobs and prefer to buy their own things, plus if they ask I tell them to work for it. They have gained a strong sense of work ethics.
My older children have all gotten jobs and prefer to buy their own things, plus if they ask I tell them to work for it. They have gained a strong sense of work ethics.
Anonymous | 1:45 p.m. Aug. 13, 2008
duck tape shoes!!!!!!!! I use them and you can get two pairs of darn good shoes
from one roll of duct tape. + custom fit :)
Early Outs | 9:58 a.m. Aug. 15, 2008
Now if we could only get teachers to teach a full day! We have about 50 early
out days each year in our district (Provo).
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I used to go to Walmart for clothes. They were cheap, then I found out the clothes were made as cheap as they cost.
I now go to Shopko because they actually have long shirts which I need. Shop online for everything else, I'm a big supporter of EBay. The answer is give money BACK to the people and stop feeding the Price Gougers!! I go back to Shopko because not only do they have my 'longs' but they are not Walmart. They are not the big and BIG and getting BIGGER companies that are taking over and monopolizing the public.
As America gets FARTHER ever day from what we wanted to be I say the smartest and the only people actually HELPING a cause in our economy aren't the ones who say WE NEED TO SPEND(middle class crap) but those who say.... We need to spend money BACK into the people. Help the poor or die with the rich.