Comments about ‘Gay Mormons appeal for higher recognition’

What progress? As a straight woman whose been married for 40+ years I can't think of a more regressive, intolerant, self-defeating position than the LDS has taken. And I have to laugh at people who think their marriages are challenged by same sex marriages.

The LDS is responsible for a lot of suicides, broken families and confused children whose fathers had to admit they couldn't live a lie even for eternal rewards.

Prop 8 in CA will go down even with the church practicing spiritual extortion.

If the LDS church were to stay out of my bedroom and find something of interest in their own, there would be no need for any of these activities in regards to ones sexuality.. or lack thereof. Please, make sure your house is in order, before making judgement upon the homes of others, wether it be in the name of your GOD or any other diety one chooses to utilize, in order to place yourself above that of the masses.

True doctrine is true doctrine no matter how you spin it. I find it very telling that the church is blamed or somehow responsible for the actions of individuals. Where is the personal accountability?

I am pretty sure the church has stayed out of your bedroom. If you are not a member of the church why does it's beleifs bother you so much. I doubt the LDS church has been knocking on your door wondering your sexual preference. Why does the rest of the world beleive that because the LDS church councils it's members on a policy of the church's doctrine they feel it is some personal insult to them?

I don't care what the religion, color, or who is gay. But I do care and I am sick to death of having gay everything crammed in my face. People are free to do whatever they want. They are not free to tell me I have to accept their life style. They are not free to tell me what a horrible person I am because I don't think their life style is wonderful. I don't see the need to parade my sexual preferences to the world via headlines and media in general. And I do not see the need for gays to parade their lfe style to the world. Of course if you are trying to justify your actions, you might see that need.

If you are LDS then you know that our doctrine comes from God and Jesus Christ. NOT from our earthly brethren.
It's not going to change on an earthly level if it doesn't come from Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ.

The LDS Church is not going to change God's law just because someone wants to sin & not feel guilty.I know of a certain church here in my area that beleives that if you're saved you can do anything you want, even murder & you don't have to repent .You're still saved no matter what you do.I know this as a fact because he came by my house last week & told me that.It's no wonder they have so many members as they can sin all they want & not feel guilty.Thank God for the LDS Church & their high standards.

In response to Carol... straight people parade their 'lifestyle' to the world all day everyday. The Church here in California needs to back off of the Proposition 8 campaign. Same sex marriage does nothing, I repeat NOTHING, to straight marriage. If anything Same sex marriage might lift the state out of this economic slump... And to another poster... people are not complaining that the Church is counseling its own members to NOT support same sex marriage, people are complaing that the Church is out in public--and yes going door to door, trying to influence others opinions on the subject. If people want the Church's opinion, then they can attend Church--otherwise back off!

After reading the pamphelt "God Loveth His Children", I realized that the Church does understand that people have problems with same gender attraction. I felt releaved because the Church does understand that people do have those feelings. But because of the 1995 Proclomation to the World on the Famly, marriage will always be defined as between one man and one woman. If it means that I have to wait for a number of years before I become married, then I know that it will be worth it. I know that God does love His children, but I know that He wants to see them attain the highest amount of happiness. Which can only be found in marriage as the Church has defined. I understand that feelings of same gender attraction , or if you want to call it homosexuality, can become unbearale. That is where the miracle of prayer comes in. Because many times I have found solance in the fact that God does give me steingth to continue on my path towards Him.

The label of "gay" IS NOT scientific. It's political, and it's politics based on the philosophy that demands the "self above all else."

There is no doubt that some percentage of the population has same sex attraction, but the science is so politicized that nobody even knows what that percentage is. Studies vary from 5% to 40% because the data collection and analysis is politicized.

No kid should ever be made to believe that having a same sex attraction makes them "gay." Our evolutionary nature is to procreate. The politics of "gay"-ness are an evolutionary dead end.

Maybe active LDS like me that thinks the Church is out of step on the gay issue should hold tithing for a month and send it to the pro-marrage groups in Cailfornia. Then send a reciept to the Bishop in leau of tithing. It takes time after all we were 15 years behind in racial issues in the 60's!

Those appealing to the Church to back off its opposition to gay marriage are missing one very important consideration: legalized adoption by same-sex couples is the inescapable follow-on to legalized gay marriage. Nature requires both father and mother to conceive a child. It shouldn't surprise us, then, that study after study shows the significant advantages in life to a child reared in a mother/father home.

Now, everyone recognizes that there are situations where divorce or death of a parent requires a single parent to raise a child. Most are doing an admirable job and deserve our support and respect. But given the preponderance of research supporting a mother/father home, how could a church or a government entity voluntarily disadvantage an entire class of children by supporting same-sex marriage?

Proponents of same-sex marriage intone about the inequality and how they deserve the rights, comfort and security of a "real" marriage. After all, shouldn't they have the right to choose? Hmmm...what about the child's right to a mother/father home? Who's looking out for them?

The LDS Church has never wavered on this important right to which each child is entitled, as expressed in the Proclamation on the Family. Neither should we.

Sounds like a great idea! That way the bishops will know how the loonies are....

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While the church maintains that sex with someone of the same gender is a sin, "the core being of gay or lesbian is no longer a sin in and of itself," according to recent statements by church leaders, he said.
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Marriage gives legal and social sanction to a sexual relationship. How could the Church NOT oppose legal and social sanction for gay sex?

Society and the Church tolerate all sorts of things we wish didn't happen. But we provide positive sanctions through law for things that society wishes to promote. And we provide negative sanctions for things society wishes to discourage.

The Church and its members can tolerate, love, and accept all kinds of situations and people. In fact, as Church members we must. It is how we follow the Savior. But we cannot positively sanction through society's laws what is sin.

People who think the LDS church can make no mistake on this issue would do well consider the fact that the LDS church used to council gay men just to marry. This resulted in numerious marriages where women were stuck in a marriage where they couldn't be appreciated or loved.

People everywhere LDS included would do well to learn to reason things out for themselves. Learn to trust your instincts. There is a reason why LDS are the people most suseptible to being scammed. They trust to much in authority figures but not enough in reason or the still small voice within us all.

Every earthly organization and person makes mistakes, but when a person places to much trust in something they sense inwardly is wrong, this damages the ability to reason and persieve truth.

As a Utahn by birth I'm happy to find myself now in California, where my wife and I will be able to campaign and vote against gay marriage. I can't imagine why anyone would ever think that a gay relationship would be natural or normal. I for one certainly haven't come to the conclusion that "the core being of gay or lesbian is no longer a sin in and of itself." Actually I don't think there is such thing as being gay. Sad that one would define his/her entire persona by some inappropriate physical attraction that they have allowed to be planted and have subsequently cultivated.

Don't Loose wrote: "when a person places to much trust in something they sense inwardly is wrong, this damages the ability to reason and persieve truth."

What about those of us who sense inwardly that acting on same-sex attraction is wrong? Wouldn't that damage our ability to reason and perceive truth?

(Just askin'....)

" Why does the rest of the world beleive that because the LDS church councils it's members on a policy of the church's doctrine they feel it is some personal insult to them?"

Because the church follows that up by throwing itself into the Constitutions of other states, thereby, inserting itself into every bedroom in the state. What's more they are personally reviewing the contributions that LDS families make to pro-Prop 8 projects even to the extent of specifying what the 3-, 4- and 5-figures amounts should be.

"The LDS Church is not going to change God's law just because someone wants to sin & not feel guilty."

Would you mind listing the "saints" who don't sin? I don't expect to see even the prophets on it -- and if you say there are any, I'm going to accuse you of lying. So why get your panties in a twist about one particular sin. ...unless it's for the moral superiority of being able to point your fingers and declare someone else beneath you. Shame!

Gay people so far as I know didn't ask to be this way. In the Desnews several months ago was a story about a Gay LDS man who wanted to be obedient and married a woman and told her up front he was gay. The may in the story said he has been attracted to men ever since he can remember.

If a person is Gay, it leads to a hollow and unfulfilled life to not live the lifestyle. No different than you ( I presume you are straight?) not being with a person of the opposite sex for your entire life. Can you imagine the pain that would cause you?

My question to you is this, is it right to life a live, your whole entire life that leaves you unfulfilled and unhappy?

I am not gay, I am very hetro-sexual. I feel sorry for people who are gay, they are made by society to have guilt for doing the only thing they can do that would make them happy.

Face it God didn't make us all the same. Some people are Gay.