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Big number | 1:32 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
That is a huge number of colleges and administrators making this proposal. I
admit I'm surprised at how broad the support is for this. College bosses
must be realizing the liability that comes to them when kids come to them,
parents expect the college to watch out for the kid, and the kid drinks until
death. Very sad. Very good of the colleges to take this step.
SJ Bobkins | 1:45 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Great Idea! It just doesn't seem like a match to see the Budweiser logo
superimposed on Y Mountain during an ESPN telecast of a BYU game. In watching
tapes of older and classic BYU games, it was so prevalent you got conditioned to
the ads. Of course with the introduction of the MWC presidents evil spawn
"the mnt" we haven't had to deal with the problem. There were so
few or even no games telecast that the sports world began calling the MWC the
mushroom conference, (keep them in the dark and cover them with, well you
know).
My only question as a huge college football fan and non-drinker: do I have the right to dictate to those who drink; my morals?
Its like the pope and birth control. If you don't play the game, you can't make the rules.
My only question as a huge college football fan and non-drinker: do I have the right to dictate to those who drink; my morals?
Its like the pope and birth control. If you don't play the game, you can't make the rules.
awesomeron | 1:58 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Reality is people drink, Reality is Beer Sells and Beer Commercials pay the
bills. Where you play at can and should be dry. The last College Football Game I
saw was BYU vs. Hawaii. I have not seen another one because Aloha Stadium is Wet
and all efforts to make it dry have failed. I did not want to subject myself or
my wife and kids to the stench and smell of Beer and Wine. However TV is a
little different and like I said pays the bills, so you may want it but perhaps
it is not the wisest thing to get it. I hate all Commercials anyhow but Free TV,
is not Free so we must endure, we do not have to buy the stuff. That said Bud
makes some of the Best Commercials Going.
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Anonymous | 5:34 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Now if we could just get colleges to ban GUNS on campus...
Re: anonymous | 7:09 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"Now if we could just get colleges to ban GUNS on campus... "
Why???
People legally carry guns are very, very seldom a problem.
Do you really think a person planning on shooting up a campus cares whether the campus bans guns?
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There are plenty of other advertisers out there who can fill the gap left by beer ads. It's time colleges started being responsible for the message they are sending to their students and their fans. As the famous quote in Animal House states, "Fat drunk and stupid" is no way to go through life.
Why???
People legally carry guns are very, very seldom a problem.
Do you really think a person planning on shooting up a campus cares whether the campus bans guns?
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There are plenty of other advertisers out there who can fill the gap left by beer ads. It's time colleges started being responsible for the message they are sending to their students and their fans. As the famous quote in Animal House states, "Fat drunk and stupid" is no way to go through life.
I Know...... | 7:44 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
We could replace the entertaining beer commercials with coolaid, green jello and
mountain dew commercials.
Anonymous | 8:04 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
For years I just never got the dont advertise this or that crowd. But finally I
understand. Those of you who are so feeble minded that you can be taken in by
MLM schemes and republican talking points can also be taken in by advertising.
Where's Chris Hill? | 8:14 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Note that the president and athletic director of the other schools signed on to
this proposal, but the U of U had its president and head football coach sign the
letter. Is Chris Hill part of the problem, or is he late-comer to this proposed
solution?
Roscoe | 8:26 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's all I'm going to say.
Anonymous | 8:27 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Let's go a step further and just ban it everywhere!
It serves no good purpose and only causes grief and pain.
I just don't get it.
I still crack up when I see 50 year old men thinking they are "cool" because they are drinking. You know the guys that brag about drinking or walk around holding up their drink for everyone to see. What are they hiding from?
Get a life.
It serves no good purpose and only causes grief and pain.
I just don't get it.
I still crack up when I see 50 year old men thinking they are "cool" because they are drinking. You know the guys that brag about drinking or walk around holding up their drink for everyone to see. What are they hiding from?
Get a life.
Anonymous | 8:39 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Why do these people hate freedom of speech? A company as a right to promote a
legal product. Conservatives want the government in every facet of our lives.
Marketing 101. | 8:46 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
This is not a question of religious morals. It is a question of business ethics. It is wise to advertise products at a venue that show cases members of society that can use and "sport" those products. Beer ads are a great source of money for Major League Games, where many of the players can legally enjoy the product. College games should be endorsing youth oriented product, the obvious athletic products, energy drinks, sports drink, and on and on, but not alcoholic product.
College foot ball is exactly that...COLLEGE Football. Despite it's popularity it is still associated with an educational institution and it should uphold it's values even in the advertising realm. Now this doesn't mean i don't think that they should/or shouldn't serve at the stadium, have I.D. will serve. Just because you limit advertisements doesn't mean you have to limit product.
Re: Roscoe | 8:52 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you"
Have you ever accompanied an EMT responding to an accident caused by a drunk driver and actually seen up close and personal the innocent people who were killed or maimed for life?
Have you ever seen a wife or child who was beaten up but a drunk husband or father?
To simply ignore the horrific toll that alcohol abuse inflicts on society, because its adverstisers are "the hand that feeds you," is naive and stupid.
Wake up!
Some day it may touch your life and it may be your kids being pulled out of the wreckage with the jaws of life. Those entering beer ads may not seem so innocent when you see the open can of Bud lying on the floor of vehicle that just took away the most precious things in your life.
Have you ever accompanied an EMT responding to an accident caused by a drunk driver and actually seen up close and personal the innocent people who were killed or maimed for life?
Have you ever seen a wife or child who was beaten up but a drunk husband or father?
To simply ignore the horrific toll that alcohol abuse inflicts on society, because its adverstisers are "the hand that feeds you," is naive and stupid.
Wake up!
Some day it may touch your life and it may be your kids being pulled out of the wreckage with the jaws of life. Those entering beer ads may not seem so innocent when you see the open can of Bud lying on the floor of vehicle that just took away the most precious things in your life.
Re: anonymous | 8:58 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Conversatives don't hate freedom of speech and they don't want
government in every facet of our lives. Far from it.
But, thinking people everywhere -- conservatives, liberals, religious, secular -- should be concerned with a serious problem that destroys more American lives than guns and wars EVERY YEAR!
But, thinking people everywhere -- conservatives, liberals, religious, secular -- should be concerned with a serious problem that destroys more American lives than guns and wars EVERY YEAR!
re: 8:39 | 9:11 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Freedom of Speech? Commercial advertising does NOT fall under the same rights we
get as individuals. Why do you think there are no tobacco ads on TV? Should we
allow liquor advertisers the freedom to advertise as high schools? You
haven't thought through it, and are ignorant of Supreme Court decisions
that for years have governed this kind of advertising.
CougarKeith | 9:35 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Advertising things that most STUDENTS aren't eligible to consume is
supporting "Law Breaking". It's like setting a bowl of chocolate
candy on the floor and telling your dog not to eat it? You have to use your
head. I agree, there are plenty of other sponsors who can advertise, Coke,
Energy Drinks, Cars, Shoes, and Athletic Apparel. Why should the NCAA allow the
encouragement of drinking to the very students who watch and aren't even
old enough to consume the products? I am a victim of a inebriated driver, which
has left me with a lifetime disability. I don't "Hate" alcohol, I
just detest the abuse of it. This is the USA, and those of age are welcome to
use it responsibly, why encourage through humor and claiming to "Drink
Responsibly" by the very Beer Companies themselves, a commercial to endorse
their products to underage drinkers? Dump the Beer ads from the Games!
Myles Brand | 9:38 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Not going to happen. Myles Brand is the co-inventor & staunch supporter of
the BCS bowl selection & anti- playoff activist. He has NO morality or
conscience when it come to NCAA sports. Just worship the $$$$$ Baby!
The real issue | 9:39 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
The main problem here is the association with alcohol and university students.
Frat houses, for instance, have their reputations for a reason. Like the
article said, a lot of kids are getting into trouble, getting hurt, or even
dying because they have developed the mentality that college is for drinking.
Removing alcohol ads is just a small effort to try to reverse this trend at
least a little.
Viagra? | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Why would the mtn. decline ads for viagra? Seems like they could make more money
and make that horrible station a little better. I can't wait for the
football season, but watching football on the mtn. is horrible. Half the time I
can't see the ball because the screen is too blurry. I say take ads of
alcohol and viagra so your station can upgrade. BTW Craig Thompson needs to go.
Robert | 10:07 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I applaud the universities for these efforts. It will help them avoid the double
standard of benefiting from, even promoting, products that are the cause of so
many problems on campus.
Timothy Robbins | 10:24 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Wow, like you think these things can't happen.
Utah one of the only places in the United States that allows you to smoke in a bar.
NFL stadiums are cleaning up their image to by banning: Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal. Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior. Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures. Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel. Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.
It's time to clean up the image of football, and I applaud their decision.
Utah one of the only places in the United States that allows you to smoke in a bar.
NFL stadiums are cleaning up their image to by banning: Behavior that is unruly, disruptive, or illegal. Drunkenness and signs of alcohol impairment that result in irresponsible behavior. Foul or abusive language or obscene gestures. Interference with the progress of the game, including throwing objects onto the field.Failing to follow instructions of stadium personnel. Verbal or physical harassment of fans from the opposing team.
It's time to clean up the image of football, and I applaud their decision.
Anonymous | 10:39 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Most college football is watched by people well out of college. To pretend that
only college students watch college football is not only disingenuous but
stupid. To think that not advertising beer during college games will effect the
drinking done by students is just moronic. Frat boys will still drink.
It is telling that some on this message board want to ban alcohol all together. Or they want to blame drink driving on advertising. Guess what, car accidents are bad weather or not they are caused by drunk drivers. Cell phone users are likely to cause accidents, shall we ban cell phone companies from advertising during NCAA games? We cant even get our legislators to ban texting while driving.
It is telling that some on this message board want to ban alcohol all together. Or they want to blame drink driving on advertising. Guess what, car accidents are bad weather or not they are caused by drunk drivers. Cell phone users are likely to cause accidents, shall we ban cell phone companies from advertising during NCAA games? We cant even get our legislators to ban texting while driving.
Not a moral issue | 10:42 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Liberal/non-religious Bay Area cities started banning smoking in public places
LONG before conservative/religious Utah got into the act.
It's time for the anti-conservative/anti-religious crowd in Utah to broaden their view a little and realize that public smoking and alcohol abuse are public health and public safety issues.
Promoting beer sales to college students and teens, a huge chunk of the college football audience, is irresponsible. It's nice to see colleges starting to recognize their ethical responsibility.
It's time for the anti-conservative/anti-religious crowd in Utah to broaden their view a little and realize that public smoking and alcohol abuse are public health and public safety issues.
Promoting beer sales to college students and teens, a huge chunk of the college football audience, is irresponsible. It's nice to see colleges starting to recognize their ethical responsibility.
Texas Cougar | 10:46 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"Roscoe"- Man cannot live by beer alone.
Relax...we'll still have the Pontiac game changing performance.
Relax...we'll still have the Pontiac game changing performance.
Rationalizing | 11:01 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"To think that not advertising beer during college games will effect the
drinking done by students is just moronic."
One of the stupidest arguments people make, that adverstising doesn't affect sales.
Do you really think that the Bud beancounters would spend millions of dollars every year advertising their products if advertising didn't affect sales?
Of course the Bud ads affect sales, and anyone with half-a-brain who watches the ads can see that many of the ads are focused directly on college-age consumers.
You're free to drink if you want. Nobody is stopping you.
But to argue that adverstising WON'T entice some college age and younger football fans to start drinking is disingenuous and stupid.
btw, your cell phone complaint is valid, but nothing but a red herring in the context of this discussion.
One of the stupidest arguments people make, that adverstising doesn't affect sales.
Do you really think that the Bud beancounters would spend millions of dollars every year advertising their products if advertising didn't affect sales?
Of course the Bud ads affect sales, and anyone with half-a-brain who watches the ads can see that many of the ads are focused directly on college-age consumers.
You're free to drink if you want. Nobody is stopping you.
But to argue that adverstising WON'T entice some college age and younger football fans to start drinking is disingenuous and stupid.
btw, your cell phone complaint is valid, but nothing but a red herring in the context of this discussion.
Anonymous | 11:43 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
You are the one who is rationalizing.
Advertising may get you to choose to drink another brand, but it doesnt "entice some college age and younger football fans to start drinking". I will concede that I may be giving people more intellectual credit than they deserve but in my experience the best advertising cannot get me to buy something I dont already want. Perhaps my susceptibility (sp) to advertising is much lower than most.
My cell phone comment is a red herring, but it was in response to another red herring already posted (you can tell which one).
Advertising may get you to choose to drink another brand, but it doesnt "entice some college age and younger football fans to start drinking". I will concede that I may be giving people more intellectual credit than they deserve but in my experience the best advertising cannot get me to buy something I dont already want. Perhaps my susceptibility (sp) to advertising is much lower than most.
My cell phone comment is a red herring, but it was in response to another red herring already posted (you can tell which one).
re:Anonymous | 8:39 a.m | 11:51 a.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Free Speech give The mtn network the right to put anything they want on their
channels, as long as it does not go further than FCC regulations.
It's their speech, if you want to wrap yourself in the First Ammendment, do so in a way that shows understanding about what the First ammendment is.
It's their speech, if you want to wrap yourself in the First Ammendment, do so in a way that shows understanding about what the First ammendment is.
anonymous | 12:13 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Maybe we need to ban McDonalds and Burger King commercials since they are
leading to the obesity problems in American to while we are at it. It's
rediculous to assume that the beer companies are targeting college students.
Most of the students are at the game so they are not even seeing the
commercials. I am all for not selling it in the stadium but to ban it from TV
is just ludicrous.
Anonymous | 12:15 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"Advertising may get you to choose to drink another brand, but it doesnt
"entice some college age and younger football fans to start
drinking"."
This is the same argument that the tobacco companies used to defend their ads aimed directly at kids. Does any thinking person really believe that Joe Camel was created to get 50-year-olds to switch from Marlboro?
Where do you think new drinkers come from? How many beer drinkers started drinking in high school and even junior high school? How many of them started drinking because of entertaining beer ads that showed it was cool to drink beer? If you think that the ads are only meant to get established beer drinkers to switch brands, you are extremely naive.
This is the same argument that the tobacco companies used to defend their ads aimed directly at kids. Does any thinking person really believe that Joe Camel was created to get 50-year-olds to switch from Marlboro?
Where do you think new drinkers come from? How many beer drinkers started drinking in high school and even junior high school? How many of them started drinking because of entertaining beer ads that showed it was cool to drink beer? If you think that the ads are only meant to get established beer drinkers to switch brands, you are extremely naive.
lost in DC | 12:29 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
five percent is not a big deal, and can easily be replaced.
It is not the government saying what advertisements can and cannot be run, it's the universities, their presidents, coaches, and athletic directors despite the accusations of someone who hates conservatives. Though I must admit that I have no problem with the FCC banning cigarette commercials for the past 30 - 40 years. I still remember cigarette jingles from the TV ads in the 60s.
as has been said already, commercial speech on public airways is a bit different than individuals' speech.
I totally agree with the comment about Myles Brand; that guy would advertise sausages made from old ladies if he thought he could make a buck, just so long as the old ladies weren't American Indians. Please forgive the absuridity of the analogy, no offense is intended towards any group of people, but to point out Mr. Brand's hypocrisy.
It is not the government saying what advertisements can and cannot be run, it's the universities, their presidents, coaches, and athletic directors despite the accusations of someone who hates conservatives. Though I must admit that I have no problem with the FCC banning cigarette commercials for the past 30 - 40 years. I still remember cigarette jingles from the TV ads in the 60s.
as has been said already, commercial speech on public airways is a bit different than individuals' speech.
I totally agree with the comment about Myles Brand; that guy would advertise sausages made from old ladies if he thought he could make a buck, just so long as the old ladies weren't American Indians. Please forgive the absuridity of the analogy, no offense is intended towards any group of people, but to point out Mr. Brand's hypocrisy.
re: anonymous | 12:13 p.m. | 12:34 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I have noticed that beer and other alcohol ads do not advertise to the college
aged kids, with all of the hotties, and club scenes.
Nope, good call on that one.
Also, this is not a "ban" on advertising, this is the NCAA choosing not to advertise something, just like when NASCAR stopped advertising smokeless tobacco on their cars.
Like NASCAR, the NFL has a right to choose who advertises.
The Burger King / McDonalds analogy is a bit of a stretch. How many college age kids die from "Big Mac" or "Whopper" poisoning?
Typical knee jerk reaction from yooterville.
Nope, good call on that one.
Also, this is not a "ban" on advertising, this is the NCAA choosing not to advertise something, just like when NASCAR stopped advertising smokeless tobacco on their cars.
Like NASCAR, the NFL has a right to choose who advertises.
The Burger King / McDonalds analogy is a bit of a stretch. How many college age kids die from "Big Mac" or "Whopper" poisoning?
Typical knee jerk reaction from yooterville.
re:anonymous | 12:13 | 12:37 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Sorry, mistype error...
Not NFL, NNCAA has the right to advertise who they want.
The NFL is the organization cleaning up stadium behaveior.
Not NFL, NNCAA has the right to advertise who they want.
The NFL is the organization cleaning up stadium behaveior.
T3 | 12:50 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Drinking is a social problem, therefore society needs to do something about it.
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!
ITS ABOUT TIME!!!
Anonymous | 12:52 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
"Most of the students are at the game"
Have you ever been to a Utah game at RES?
Utah either has a much smaller studentbody than most people assume, or a lot of students are coming disguised as red stadium chairs.
Have you ever been to a Utah game at RES?
Utah either has a much smaller studentbody than most people assume, or a lot of students are coming disguised as red stadium chairs.
Marduis Wilson opposes this | 1:00 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
measure strongly.
About time | 1:11 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
It is a public health issue as is tobacco advertising, not free speach. Binge
drinking, DWI and many other alcohol related problems need someone responsible
to stand up. Nice work coaches and those in the trenches.
Hypocrites in Utah, nevvver! | 1:22 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
My brother told me about the time he went to a Utah vs BYU game two years ago in
Salt Lake City. He sat in the student section but said the Utah students where
drinking and getting drunk during the game. I was just wondering if the Utah
stadium serves alcohol or if the fans brought it in them
self�s.
Zero Chance | 1:31 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Money and football go together. There is ZERO chance of pulling the plug on beer
dollars from football television broadcasts.
Rest assured ... drink up!
Rest assured ... drink up!
Kids in the streets | 1:37 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Let's not allow advertising of anything that shows kids playing in the
streets either.
You know - backyard barbeques with XYZ BBQ sauce, and little Johnny runs out in the street in the background without checking both ways.
You know - backyard barbeques with XYZ BBQ sauce, and little Johnny runs out in the street in the background without checking both ways.
Tarheel Ute | 1:41 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
I have not seen the tragedy of drunken driving that is as an emergency responder
might. I am sure it's pretty bad. No less so for an accident caused by a
person talking on his cell phone, or distractedly eating a burger or otherwise.
I suppose we should ban alcohol and at the same time cell phones and burgers.
Impaired driving, bad behavior, spousal abuse, broken marriages are all made
worse by abuse of alcohol, but banning alcohol change the behavior, just limit
the access to the majority who display judgment in the first place.
Otherwise, I am not adverse to any organization attempting to protect their brand by associating it with university with sponsorship they consider inappropriate. However taking the argument to a logical or illogical extreme is a problem in itself. Outlawing any one item, simply because if abused it causes tragedy does not make for good policy or law and has never been proven to be practical. Individual rights and freedom of choice unfortunately leads to tragic consequences far and beyond the individual who made the bad choice. No law or ban will prevent that.
Otherwise, I am not adverse to any organization attempting to protect their brand by associating it with university with sponsorship they consider inappropriate. However taking the argument to a logical or illogical extreme is a problem in itself. Outlawing any one item, simply because if abused it causes tragedy does not make for good policy or law and has never been proven to be practical. Individual rights and freedom of choice unfortunately leads to tragic consequences far and beyond the individual who made the bad choice. No law or ban will prevent that.
Bud man? | 2:06 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Does Marduis Wilson work for a beer company? Do you own Bud stock? Will you miss
the "entertaining" ads?
Otherwise, what is your "strong opposition" to banning beer ads in college football broadcasts?
Otherwise, what is your "strong opposition" to banning beer ads in college football broadcasts?
Must be Halloween | 2:45 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Lot's of strawmen, but, when you have no real arguments to support not
banning beer ads in college football broadcasts, that's what you have to
resort to.
The college presidents are on the right track. Ban the beer ads. We don't need them.
The college presidents are on the right track. Ban the beer ads. We don't need them.
Burger impaired | 3:03 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Yes, we see lots of people being arrested for driving while burger impaired and
beating their kids with a burger. Ban the burger ads too.
$$$$$ | 3:15 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
As in the changing of liquor laws, the alcohol sellers and distributors are the
ones who are crying Freedom of Expression. If you can't figure it out,
IT'S THE MONEY.
I don't get it | 3:38 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
What's the big deal with not running Beer Ads?
Is it something anyone needs.
Can't you watch a game without the ads?
Is this really an issue???
Is it something anyone needs.
Can't you watch a game without the ads?
Is this really an issue???
JRspence | 3:39 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Ute fans purposely drink at the BYU games because they know BYU fans despise
alcohol. When they're not playing BYU, the atmosphere is just as behaved
as anywhere else. Eradicating Beer commercials for college football is
ludicrous. They're the most entertaining commercials on t.v anyway.
It's the spirit of sports. Don't let the bad apples ruin it for the
responsible beer drinkers who like to kick back and watch college football with
there buddies. It's the american way.
re:re:re:JRspence | 3:39 p.m. | 4:41 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
So buy a twelve pack, TIVO on download to your IPOD Beer Commercials, and get
your fix, and all are happy.
"Ute fans purposely drink at the BYU games because they know BYU fans despise alcohol."
If that is the reason, it is probably the dumbest reason in the world, to make someone angry. Sounds like the first step to alcoholism to me.
It does explain alot, though.
I've always seen two cultures in Utah. The Molly type Mormons, and those that drink, smoke, tatt up, wear wife beaters on the street and anything else to anger the LDS.
I move here from CA, and we are creating a sub-culture of people who know how to have a "couple" and leave it at that. Then it's live and let live, and not really give a rip about what others do.
The smoke does "bug" in bars and at parties, so I respect those that smoke out side, and I appreciate when people maintain control and not spill their drinks on me...
"Ute fans purposely drink at the BYU games because they know BYU fans despise alcohol."
If that is the reason, it is probably the dumbest reason in the world, to make someone angry. Sounds like the first step to alcoholism to me.
It does explain alot, though.
I've always seen two cultures in Utah. The Molly type Mormons, and those that drink, smoke, tatt up, wear wife beaters on the street and anything else to anger the LDS.
I move here from CA, and we are creating a sub-culture of people who know how to have a "couple" and leave it at that. Then it's live and let live, and not really give a rip about what others do.
The smoke does "bug" in bars and at parties, so I respect those that smoke out side, and I appreciate when people maintain control and not spill their drinks on me...
Antonio Ortega | 6:21 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
It's sad we live in a place where there is no seperation of church and
state...Mormons need to keep their faith confined to their church!
Re: Antonio Ortega | 6:54 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
You cannot possibly be that ignorant! This is not a religious issue. Alcohol
is one of the biggest problems that exist in our society that destroys lives.
Get over your bigotry and recognize that alcohol is a problem all over the US
and not just because Mormons chose not to drink. Your comment reflects poorly
on yourself and others that think like you do.
In CA | 7:49 p.m. Aug. 8, 2008
Hey T -
What part of "So far, 60 Division I college presidents, 240 athletic directors and 101 football and basketball coaches have signed letters calling for the NCAA to add beer to a list of products that cannot be advertised during college games. That list includes cigarettes, guns, nightclubs and gambling" don't you understand? How do you read Mormon in this? Even NASCAR has banned tobacco ads. You surely don't understand separation of church and state. Sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley.
What part of "So far, 60 Division I college presidents, 240 athletic directors and 101 football and basketball coaches have signed letters calling for the NCAA to add beer to a list of products that cannot be advertised during college games. That list includes cigarettes, guns, nightclubs and gambling" don't you understand? How do you read Mormon in this? Even NASCAR has banned tobacco ads. You surely don't understand separation of church and state. Sorry, didn't mean to call you Shirley.
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