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Driver arrested in road-rage incident
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I have encountered many rude, reckless, inconsiderate and inattentive drivers. But the majority of drivers I've encountered are courteous, considerate and attentive.
The same can be said of bikers I've encountered, both "hardcore" as well as occasional bikers.
I rarely think about the hundreds of drivers or dozens of bikers I pass or am passed by, unless they are doing something annoying or dangerous. I maintain that really bad motorists and cyclists are a minority, but their behavior is so obnoxious, they are the ones we remember. This taints our perspective of the whole group.
Bikers should share the roads, so should drivers. Bikers should follow all traffic rules, but rarely do. Same goes for drivers. Both rarely come to a complete stop at stop signs.
I'd guess that the drivers who get so upset at bikers are also the ones who rant about slow drivers (anyone following the speedlimit) in anything but the far right lane, and are probably some of the worst drivers themselves. This isn't about bikers vs. drivers, it's about civility on the road.
I try to drive safe, obey the speed limit, be courteous, so the road won't get mad at me.
I don't like it when the road rage's.
We should all admit that the vast majority of cyclists are responsible riders and don't cause a problem (despite the comments here about how "all" cyclists are this or that).
We should also all admit that the vast majority of drivers are very good around cyclists (despite the comments here aobut how "all" drivers are this or that).
Here's just one tiny bit:
"Bicycle riders on public streets and highways have the same rights and responsibilities as automobile drivers. Drivers of motor vehicles must treat bicycle riders the same as drivers of other vehicles. Bicyclists are not out of place on the roadway - they are part of the traffic and share the road with other drivers. They must obey stop signs, traffic lights, and most other traffic laws and signs." -- 2007 Utah Driver Handbook, Page 29.
If drivers would just follow the Utah law requiring a -minimum- of three feet of distance away from bike riders, things would go much more smoothly. I try and obey all traffic laws when I commute or exercise on my bike, so classifying people like me with the bad apples out there is simply unfair.
Until they do, I'll ride on the road, which is my right.
That said, I didn't read any comments about the insurance issue of this story. Why is it that the insurance company will cover bicycle damage due to theft or accident, but not if someone chooses to deliberately run into you? Is that also the case for automobile insurance? If someone deliberately hits you while driving your car, you are not covered? I doubt it! The only way to get compensated for damage due to intentional contact is to sue? Seems like the insurance company is as much a bad guy as the maniac driver. If our client deliberately hits you, we don't have to pay!?!?!
I have ridden/waked a bike past Bridal Veil falls many times and the thing that drives me nuts is the pedestrians standing around blocking the entire bike/walking trail. Pedestrians please move off to the side so I can at least walk my bike past the falls!!! I can't get by if you and your children are blocking the whole path.
You need to get two things straight.
#1- Go back and reread the posting right before your own.
#2- See #1.
P.S. I *totally* agree with Bike Commuter 2:38.
You are one of the "truthful ones" on this site. I think it would be a great day in the world and on the road if there were more people like you out there who were courteous to others as you are... You are truly a decent person. Many of us appreciate your comment.
I've lost count how many times I was taking a walk with my family only to have some idiot biker scream at us to move over while he is going way too fast. I've almost been run over, my children have almost been run over. They glare and snarl at us as they zoom by. We'll be hugging the right side of the jogging trail only to be screamed at so we move and then another one will scream at us so we have to run all over the bike trail trying to get out of their way. They will pass screaming and foaming. Only one time was a biker polite to us. We don't go on the jogging trails anymore because even though it clearly states jogging trail bikers believe it to be a racing trail only for them.
Many of you non-cyclists are confusing rudeness with behavior that threatens another human's life. Please get some perspective before you drive again. A car is as much a deadly weapon as is a gun.
If a driver tries to run over a cyclist after an argument, that driver should be charged with aggravated assault, if not attempted homicide.
As a cyclist, my life has nearly been taken many times by inattentive drivers doing things like talking on a cell phone or even texting while driving. I think distracted driving should be prosecuted like drunk driving.
Oh, and when you pass a cyclist on an empty two lane road with a broken center line (passing OK), pull over into the oncoming lane to pass if you can. You may not be able to see the fingers of the biker's hand raised in your direction, but they're likely to all be extended in a friendly wave.
Here in Utah I do feel like cars are not used to as many riders as Cal but we both should have respect for each other. I have been in a hit and run where a car hit me while I was on a morning ride and she drag my bike for 100 feet a week before I was going to do LoToJa. She didn't stop but just drove off. She was later caught, but that was luck. I was riding on the side of the road with traffic, which there was very little.
Oh, and Kev, you have a nice day now, ya hear? :)
OK here is Utah state LAW as per the UTAH drivers hand book page 29
"Bicycle riders on public streets and highways have the same rights and responsibilities as automobile drivers."
"Although bicyclists will normally ride near the right-hand curb or edge or the roadway, they can legally move left to turn left, to pass a vehicle or another bicycle, or to avoid debris or parked cars. Expect any of these moves by bicyclists in a regular trafic lane."
In no way has it stated that we should be on the side walk.
And finally
"Utah LAW requires a minimum three (3) Feet of distance from any bicyclist you are passing."
So until the laws are changed and freedom taken away, we should all share the road as we live in a free country where we are free to ride and drive together anywhere we want.
Be safe and friendly
you seem to have a great imagination. Maybe you should get it under control before you run over somebody.
Slow down and wait a couple of seconds. Then pass.
It's not that hard.
They sure like to get the money from customers,
but sure DO WIGGLE OUT OF PAYMENT when a customer of theirs is a BAAAD Citizen...
Once again you treat cyclist like another vehicle on the road. As per state law if you can't pass with 3 feet, then you will have to wait until it is safe to pass with 3 feet.
In no way am I asking you to have a head on with another car any more than I want you to run me over.
What would you say to my son if you ran me over because you were in a hurry to get some where and he had to grow up without a father.
Just be safe and careful everyone. I know we live in a life of hurry up and wait. Drive really fast to a red light to wait. WE all do it....
Life is way the heck more important than 15min of work, or a son not having a father.
You are driving metal death machines that can kill others...
Same for a driver behind a bicycle. If you hit the bike because you're trying to pass when it's not safe, IT"S YOUR FAULT. If you are going so fast you couldn't react to debris in the road instead of a bike you need to slow down.
The truck approached the bike and didn't maintain a 3 foot distance, I'm pretty sure that's breaking the law. The driver's responsibility is to maintain the 3 feet. If the law stated a bike had the responsibility to stay 3 feet from a car bikes would have to leave the road nearly every ride to comply.
If you need to pass and a bike is in your way, you are obliged to slow down and wait as long as it takes. A considerate cyclist will try to let you pass as soon as possible, but if you encounter a rude cyclist, that doesn't change your responsibility as a driver.
Another rude thing peds do is bring dogs, even large dogs like Great Danes on the trail WITHOUT A LEASH. Why aren't you complaining about that?
I feel a need to tip the $1 whenever they go by.
He, if a 90 lbs dude on a 40 lbs bike has a right to be the same place as a 2000 lbs vehicle, and they both are there, who get's hurt?
Bicycles need to be out of the way, or I think they get smaller fast.
Know that road engineers put time and effort into calculating the grade and curvature of a turn so a motorist has enough time to see a head of them in case of an emergency stop. You know those little signs on the side of the road with numbers. Those are speed limit signs. As long as you go the speed limit or slower you shouldn�t have any trouble stopping. That is unless you�re totally inept. So keep your breaks in good proper condition and you don�t have any thing to worry about.
And for you Right vs right... Cyclist own cars, pay fuel tax, property tax, licensing fees etc.
I think all of you who are so opposed to cyclist infringing in your domain ought to take a ride on the road one day and see if your perspective changes. Also, those of you with kids, keep in mind that the person on the road could be your son or daughter. If you care anything about your kids or grandkids, you might want to reconsider your position.
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The vast, vast majority of cyclists do share the road. So do the vast, vast majority of motorists.
The vast majority of cyclists pay very close attention to the cars and trucks around them and do everything they can to keep themselves and others safe -- sometimes that means riding in the middle of the lane. Sometimes it means pulling off to the side of the road to let people pass. Same can't be said for motorists, though.