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Suit may destroy UEP Trust of FLDS
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Law-Abiding Citizen | 12:02 p.m. July 30, 2008
"Innocent beneficiaries"? Um, no... Polygamy IS still against the
law. Every single person who "presently reside(s) in houses on Trust
property" is breaking the law by living in polygamy. There are no
innocents here, except the children who don't have a choice; and they
should be removed and placed with loving, law-abiding families.
FLDS in serious need of change | 12:17 p.m. July 30, 2008
I hope these FLDS do not loose their homes because the trust is sued and
depleted of assets.
The FLDS do need to make changes. It is wrong that they kick young teen boys out before they are able to make a living on their own.
What kind of religion is this?
Sounds like a terrible religion to me.
The FLDS do need to make changes. It is wrong that they kick young teen boys out before they are able to make a living on their own.
What kind of religion is this?
Sounds like a terrible religion to me.
What other option is there | 12:20 p.m. July 30, 2008
Everyone in this FLDS organization hides all of there money and property in this
trust. There is no other way to go after them.
They all claim to own nothing, have no income or assests that you could garnish or attach liens to because it is all in the trust.
None of the homes, companies, or vehcile or any other property is in individuals names. It all belongs to the trust.
There is no other way!
They all claim to own nothing, have no income or assests that you could garnish or attach liens to because it is all in the trust.
None of the homes, companies, or vehcile or any other property is in individuals names. It all belongs to the trust.
There is no other way!
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Acountability, it is about time | 12:35 p.m. July 30, 2008
These FLDS people are using the church to do their misdeeds. It is about time
someone put a hold on their assets that have kept them financially afloat. It
is ludicrous to use a "church" for this kind of thing. It is a mockery
to others or the real LDS faith, who (FLDS) at the same time us the doctrine as
if it was condone by present day LDS's. The leaders, Warren Jeffs included
must answer to a higher law eventually. Every one of those mislead members in
his following should be compensated and go on with normal lives. When are his
followers going to get it that they have been deceived? It doesn't take an
angelic visit to know this, DUH! It is a brain washing that took over and
advantage. Men of God know better. False prophets are NOT men of God and hold
NO authority whatsoever. It is a sad tangled mess. Hasn't polygamy been
ILLEGAL for over a hundred years? Shame on the legal system to enable such
groups who cry freedom of religion. Oh, brother. Now there (FLDS) is the
"cult" as plain as day. R U blind?
chomama | 12:40 p.m. July 30, 2008
looks like all the FLDS people complaining about the new trust manager were way
off base. At least he's trying to look out for the people that put the
actual money into the trust.
To "Law abiding Citizen" | 12:59 p.m. July 30, 2008
I agree, break them up. Take the children away and charge the US taxpayers for
it. They should have done this to the LDS church back in the 1800's as
well. In fact, arrest all who commit adultry. Someone go arrest Hugh Heffner.
Lets get on a roll, why not just outlaw religion? In fact, lets let the
government raise and take care of all of us.
I dont agree with polygamy but understand that some do and it is part of their religious beliefs. We should be protected under the constitution with freedom of religion. If people want to have this in their religious beliefs then they should be able to do so.....Unless they infringe on the rights of others.
I dont agree with polygamy but understand that some do and it is part of their religious beliefs. We should be protected under the constitution with freedom of religion. If people want to have this in their religious beliefs then they should be able to do so.....Unless they infringe on the rights of others.
Justthefactsmaam | 1:01 p.m. July 30, 2008
Polygyny is no more against the law than fornication or adultery is, and if
started prosecuting for that, there wouldn't hardly be anyone left in the
USA that wasn't in jail.
Justthefactsmaam
Justthefactsmaam
The Rock | 1:05 p.m. July 30, 2008
Isaiah said; Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field...
(5:8)
When finances are intertwined it leaves you exposed to this sort of thing.
Those people who are part of the UEP trust have their entire life savings in it. Many of them are victims just as much as those who file suit.
Allowing the UEP to be pilfered by lawyers will create far more victims than we now have.
I strongly disagree with the FLDS religion and as an member of the LDS faith would dearly like to see them go away. I am not willing to deal unjustly with them to gain that end.
I doubt that Isaiah was talking about this specific situation; however, it does seem applicable.
When finances are intertwined it leaves you exposed to this sort of thing.
Those people who are part of the UEP trust have their entire life savings in it. Many of them are victims just as much as those who file suit.
Allowing the UEP to be pilfered by lawyers will create far more victims than we now have.
I strongly disagree with the FLDS religion and as an member of the LDS faith would dearly like to see them go away. I am not willing to deal unjustly with them to gain that end.
I doubt that Isaiah was talking about this specific situation; however, it does seem applicable.
EastTroy | 1:08 p.m. July 30, 2008
"Innocent?" Oh COME ON!!!! Pathetic, misguided, unfortunate, and sad;
YES. Innocent, not in a million years.
Christy | 1:08 p.m. July 30, 2008
Didn't Mr. Shields defend Warren Jeffs during his first trial? Now he is
saying that there are so many victims of Jeffs crimes that to sue the Fund would
ruin it? He can't have it both ways. I hope this does go through.
It's one thing to believe in polygamy, it's another to cover up and
ignore statutory rape and abuse. Unfortunately they are now paying the price
for years and years of looking the other way when these types of crimes
occurred.
Jonathan | 1:28 p.m. July 30, 2008
"Wall's attorney, Greg Hoole, said the lawsuit is not about making
anybody rich � but holding people accountable."
Jonathan: Yeah, right! Her past actions YELL otherwise.
Jonathan: Yeah, right! Her past actions YELL otherwise.
Not after the money, Elissa? | 1:40 p.m. July 30, 2008
I'm sorry, but there are many, many people who suffer much worse abuse than
this young woman did. She is exposing her greediness! What she suffered is NOT
worthy of millions of dollars from anybody. Since the FLDS are living their
version of the United Order (we are talking economically here, not about the
issue of polygamy, which is a totally separate issue), all that some of them
have worked their lifetimes for is tied up in the assets of that trust. I
can't see any fairness at all in depriving people of what is legitimately
theirs from the labors of their own hands to compensate one person who should
sue the perpetrator if that person is indeed found guilty of rape. Since Jeffs
has been, she can sue him, too. She may be able to justify a claim against
their assets. But not on those of hundreds of other people who did her no
harm.
And no, I am not FLDS and I don't live in Utah.
And no, I am not FLDS and I don't live in Utah.
Gal50 | 2:07 p.m. July 30, 2008
Rather than go through the courts, this should go through arbitration.
My latest statistics on child rape show that out of a population of 700 on the ranch, there are 3 girls without children, 5 girls with children, 15 women with children and about 9 women that may have been raped but don't have a child to prove it. The grand total is about 32 child rape victims out of 700 people. Applying percentages to a population of 10,000, there may be 448 rape victims. If this is true, I question whether adults who failed to protect so many children should be entitled to keep their homes.
No decision is going to be fair. Not everyone can prove what they put into the trust. Divide the trust into three portions. The first portion gets divided evenly among the 10,000 members, the second portion gets divided proportionately based on what people can prove they put into the trust and the third portion gets divided among the identified victims who desire compensation. Since the trust represents the assets of the FLDS organization, the victims should be entitled to some compensation, but it shouldn't be disproportionately large.
My latest statistics on child rape show that out of a population of 700 on the ranch, there are 3 girls without children, 5 girls with children, 15 women with children and about 9 women that may have been raped but don't have a child to prove it. The grand total is about 32 child rape victims out of 700 people. Applying percentages to a population of 10,000, there may be 448 rape victims. If this is true, I question whether adults who failed to protect so many children should be entitled to keep their homes.
No decision is going to be fair. Not everyone can prove what they put into the trust. Divide the trust into three portions. The first portion gets divided evenly among the 10,000 members, the second portion gets divided proportionately based on what people can prove they put into the trust and the third portion gets divided among the identified victims who desire compensation. Since the trust represents the assets of the FLDS organization, the victims should be entitled to some compensation, but it shouldn't be disproportionately large.
realitycheck | 2:15 p.m. July 30, 2008
re - "To Law Abiding Citizen" 12:59pm
I agree with just about everything you said (or implied through sarcasm) except you're missing one thing.
The FLDS certainly DO infringe on the rights of others, especially their followers, and most especially the children.
Of course, this has nothing to do with polygamy, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
I still don't understand why people are so against polygamy. I understand being against religious extremists like the FLDS, but polygamy is probably their least intrusive practice.....
I agree with just about everything you said (or implied through sarcasm) except you're missing one thing.
The FLDS certainly DO infringe on the rights of others, especially their followers, and most especially the children.
Of course, this has nothing to do with polygamy, but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway.
I still don't understand why people are so against polygamy. I understand being against religious extremists like the FLDS, but polygamy is probably their least intrusive practice.....
me n me | 2:45 p.m. July 30, 2008
Are you going to tell a rape victim how much their experiance was worth? How
about 2 years of constant rape? What about 7 misscarriges, and haveing a still
born at 15? You say that she doesnt deserve to be compisated? You clown..... She
was the one who brought this to a halt for so many other girls. Who knows how
many have been helped. DO YOU? I think you dont know anything about it, you
obviously dont know her story. I do.
Lilathe | 2:56 p.m. July 30, 2008
Gal50- even if your numbers are correct and I find the grand total of 32
"possible" child rapes to be extremely high, almost matching the 26
"disputed minors" who were in fact 22, 27, 29 and one as old as 37
with 4 almost grown children.
Even if that WAS in fact the correct number, it is still lower than the national "normal" statistics of 1 in 4 girls will be a sexual victim before age 18 and 1 in 5 boys will be sexually assaulted before age 18.
So far, after two months of having the children in foster care being interviewed by some of the "best" investigators Texas CPS had to offer, not one single boy has been found to be a victim of sexual assault by an adult.
Compare that with 1 in 5 boys in the USA.
Even if that WAS in fact the correct number, it is still lower than the national "normal" statistics of 1 in 4 girls will be a sexual victim before age 18 and 1 in 5 boys will be sexually assaulted before age 18.
So far, after two months of having the children in foster care being interviewed by some of the "best" investigators Texas CPS had to offer, not one single boy has been found to be a victim of sexual assault by an adult.
Compare that with 1 in 5 boys in the USA.
Yellow N Green | 3:07 p.m. July 30, 2008
Not after money, Elissa?:You claim she is only after cash.
At the end of this report it quotes her attorneys saying, and i am quoting the report:"Elissa Wall has made it very clear she is not going to keep any of the money should it be awarded to her".
Now if her representaion is saying that publicly how can you call her greedy? She wrote a book? Well now, how dare she!!!
How dare she share her story and shed light on the horrors that happen to small children, and young girls in the FLDS! Sure smells like greed to me. She deserves whatever she can get, and the more truth put out the better. How quickly people are willing to forget about what she went through is astounding to me.
At the end of this report it quotes her attorneys saying, and i am quoting the report:"Elissa Wall has made it very clear she is not going to keep any of the money should it be awarded to her".
Now if her representaion is saying that publicly how can you call her greedy? She wrote a book? Well now, how dare she!!!
How dare she share her story and shed light on the horrors that happen to small children, and young girls in the FLDS! Sure smells like greed to me. She deserves whatever she can get, and the more truth put out the better. How quickly people are willing to forget about what she went through is astounding to me.
common sense | 3:12 p.m. July 30, 2008
Since When did FLDS Become a church? They are a Corporation LLC.
It certainly wasnt run like a church,, it was run Like HITLER would of run the SS.
Its never been registered as a Church.
It certainly wasnt run like a church,, it was run Like HITLER would of run the SS.
Its never been registered as a Church.
Elissa is Entitled | 3:16 p.m. July 30, 2008
... to compensation for being raped with the blessing of the FLDS people. All of
the adults in the FLDS knew that young girls were being forced into marriages to
older men, many of them MUCH older, but none of the adults -- parents, church
leaders, doctors -- did anything to stop the practice, in fact they encouraged
and supported it.
Just because they've tied up all of their assests in a trust doesn't mean that they are immune from having to compensate the victims of their abuse.
I don't have a problem with polygamy. I do have a serious problem with the many of the other illegal practices the FLDS have used to maintain their polygamous lifestyle -- the coersion, the brainwashing, the denial of rights, reassigning families, kicking young boys out of the community, forcing young girls into marriages, and welfare fraud.
Just because they've tied up all of their assests in a trust doesn't mean that they are immune from having to compensate the victims of their abuse.
I don't have a problem with polygamy. I do have a serious problem with the many of the other illegal practices the FLDS have used to maintain their polygamous lifestyle -- the coersion, the brainwashing, the denial of rights, reassigning families, kicking young boys out of the community, forcing young girls into marriages, and welfare fraud.
Lowlifes | 3:16 p.m. July 30, 2008
Good grief! All these FLDS sites certainly bring out all those who have deranged
thinking. Polygamy is most definitely for the devilish, and lusty lowlifes! You
people amaze the HECK out of me.
Anonymous | 3:24 p.m. July 30, 2008
Listen to- Me N Me, she knows what she is talking about. If any of you have ever
dealt with a genuine human pig in the bedroom you would believe it completely.
uncannygunman | 3:27 p.m. July 30, 2008
How could the damages in a suit like this approach a million dollars, much less
multiple millions?
FooLeD uS | 4:01 p.m. July 30, 2008
Law-Abiding Citizen said:
Every single person who "presently reside(s) in houses on Trust property" is breaking the law by living in polygamy.
really? Everything I've read suggests that more than half of the men have ONE or ZERO wives and only a select few that are high up in the church have more. Elisa Walls book tells of a monogamist relationship with her cousin/husband.
"Acountability, it is about time" sounds like he is just as brainwashed by his religion as the flds-ers are by theirs.
Has any one watched "girls next door" Hef practices polygamy, doesn't even call them "wives" and nobody says he is breaking the law. I know he isn't married to the girls but legally the flds men aren't married to their wives either, except one. That being said, child rape should never be tolerated.
Every single person who "presently reside(s) in houses on Trust property" is breaking the law by living in polygamy.
really? Everything I've read suggests that more than half of the men have ONE or ZERO wives and only a select few that are high up in the church have more. Elisa Walls book tells of a monogamist relationship with her cousin/husband.
"Acountability, it is about time" sounds like he is just as brainwashed by his religion as the flds-ers are by theirs.
Has any one watched "girls next door" Hef practices polygamy, doesn't even call them "wives" and nobody says he is breaking the law. I know he isn't married to the girls but legally the flds men aren't married to their wives either, except one. That being said, child rape should never be tolerated.
laughing to the bank | 4:03 p.m. July 30, 2008
The only ones making money on this deal are Wisan and his attorneys.
They've already burned through several million dollars. Elissa Walls
original settlement proposal would have put all the money into a fund to help
other victims trying to leave the religion and thus help avoid any future
lawsuits; however, that would have been money out of Wisans pocket so he
rejected it. Wall has already publically stated that any money she is awarded in
the suit will be put in a trust to help others. If Wisan and his atorneys are so
concerned about the beneficiaries of the trust why don't they make a
similar charitable offer. Maybe even just discount their fees a bit. The answer
is that it doesn't matter if they win or lose in court, if they litigate
they win because they can bill for it. Again, I'm sure they don't want
to see the trust assets go someplace that could be used for some good. Their
cash cow would dry up.
Anonymous | 4:32 p.m. July 30, 2008
I am strongly against polygamy, and I feel bad about all the members of FLDS.
Warren Jeff have definitely misleaded everybody using the church, and he
definitely,should pay for his crime. This issue had made me think about the
relationship of those people who have no problem with polygamy, and married men
who intentionally lie to prey and use other women. If Warren Jeffs is
procecuted for his crime, married men who intentionally lie to use and prey on
other women should also be prosecuted.
So What? | 4:45 p.m. July 30, 2008
These people willingly gave all of their assets to their church leaders. They,
in most instances, continue to support those Church leaders. In some ways you
might say they have been complicit in their leaders actions by allowing it to go
on without turning them in. They gave their property up, if they lose it to
those that were injured then so be it.
Snoopy | 5:01 p.m. July 30, 2008
Yep, the attorneys are the ones making all the money and supporting FLDS
polygamy, so that they can be paid well. I really dislike hypocrite's, but
many attorneys are paid to be hypocrite's. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
hated them too, and so do I!
No Differance - Only Worse | 5:35 p.m. July 30, 2008
This is no differant than any of the recient church law suits -- Only worse --
the leadership of the FLDS caused it.
Let justice be surved.
Let justice be surved.
Greed Police | 5:36 p.m. July 30, 2008
Ummm...Yeah...Look at this lady. She is gonna need some cash to keep her fake
nails and haircolor done. She looks like she enjoys a good meal every now and
again as well, eh? No amount of money can change what has happened in her life.
Why the heck should she sue the trust that houses the others who suffer her same
misfortune? She says she is going to give the money away? Then why go after it
in the first place? Wrong or right, there are real people living in those UEP
houses. Do they deserve to be homeless so this lady can get a new diamond
necklace? She is just victimizing others who according to her statements are
already being victimized enough...
Gal50 | 5:47 p.m. July 30, 2008
Lilathe- This is all according to news reports. There were five underage girls
with children and two men have been indicted for two of those rapes. Three men
have been arrested for three rapes in which the girls did not have children.
That totals eight rapes. The other 15 rapes represent women who have children
that show they were probably raped as girls. If a woman on the ranch is 27 and
she is "married" to a 57 year-old man and she has a 13 year-old child,
it appears likely that she was a victim of statutory rape. These rapes probably
were committed in either Utah or Arizona. Additionally, if there were five girls
with children and fifteen women with children that likely prove rape, then 3
times as many girls were raped in the past than the present. Since 3 girls were
raped with no children, that would mean about nine women who were raped
can't prove it with birth records. The grand total is 32 estimated rapes.
The rape rate would be about 14%, which is significantly higher than normal. The
25% rate you quote is for women who have been sexually abused, which includes
touching etc.
zxcvbnm | 5:50 p.m. July 30, 2008
I guess the FLDS should have used a few 401Ks' then they could be as broke as every other american.
Poor Elisa won't use any of the money for herself though......she'll set up her own trust and manage it for the good of others.........yep..then she can control a trust.
It's about the money and all the good intentions and saving the children rhetoric will only leave the children without homes and the gossip mongers in control of the very people they pretend to save.
zezette | 5:54 p.m. July 30, 2008
Well done Elissa! Don't stop now.
A little clarity | 5:58 p.m. July 30, 2008
Polygamy is not fundamentally evil. Though it is in fact illegal (bigamy). Many
cultures have practiced polygamy without problems. Polygamy favors men of high
status and women of lower status. Our current culture tolerates a sort of serial
polygamy where we divorce and remarry, though one at a time. The statutes
against bigamy have become somewhat moot given the willingness of people to
simply live together without marriage (thus Hugh Hefner's immunity).
The illegality and impropriety occurs when there are very young and/or under-aged girls involved and where men exercise undue influence over these girls due to their positions of religious authority. These men are being prosecuted under rape statues not bigamy statutes.
The trust is at risk because of a doctrine called collateral estoppel. If the judge finds that the trust is liable to Miss Wall for her injury, then based on that finding any woman similarly situated to Miss Wall could sue and recover from the trust. Since that group is probably quite large the trust could easily be drained of all assets.
Yes, lawyers are likely to make a good deal of money from this. But, who else is qualified to clean this up?
The illegality and impropriety occurs when there are very young and/or under-aged girls involved and where men exercise undue influence over these girls due to their positions of religious authority. These men are being prosecuted under rape statues not bigamy statutes.
The trust is at risk because of a doctrine called collateral estoppel. If the judge finds that the trust is liable to Miss Wall for her injury, then based on that finding any woman similarly situated to Miss Wall could sue and recover from the trust. Since that group is probably quite large the trust could easily be drained of all assets.
Yes, lawyers are likely to make a good deal of money from this. But, who else is qualified to clean this up?
transplant | 6:02 p.m. July 30, 2008
Commonsense: very good point. Now if the media would just stop using the word
church in realtionship to these people.
So What?: Right on.
These are all adults who have made choices. Now they are faced with the consequences of supporting their lifestyle. They are no different in that respect than people who followed the brown spot into subprime mortgages.
So What?: Right on.
These are all adults who have made choices. Now they are faced with the consequences of supporting their lifestyle. They are no different in that respect than people who followed the brown spot into subprime mortgages.
Timothy | 6:32 p.m. July 30, 2008
Hey Greed Police! You are just jealous! Get over it man! Elissa can do what ever
the HECK she wants to do and it's nobodies business. Elissa Wall has been
through HELL with the FLDS sicko wackos! So leave her alone. Go be jealous of
some else. She deserves a good turn in life. Speaking of lives, why don't
you go get one. Thank you.
Joey | 7:13 p.m. July 30, 2008
What's her lawyer's court? I'm sure it's taken on
contingency. If it's 20-60%, I see a huge incentive for him to carry
on--the impoverished residents being made homeless is not his concern.
Anonymous | 7:46 p.m. July 30, 2008
Well folks, Look at this way if you do evil it will all come back to rest on
your shoulders. The Flds need to repent and stop raping girls and use religion
to do it. That makes them look worse than any abuser.
OP-ine | 7:57 p.m. July 30, 2008
Why all the talk about polygamy and comparing Jeffs' actions to men who
cheat on their wives? Not the issue here. A little girl was forced into
marriage by Jeffs and raped repeatedly by the man she was forced to marry. The
constitution does not protect these actions. The whole scene is pure evil and I
hope the trust is left empty. It's not about religion, it's about
abusing a child.
THOMAS C. INSKIP | 8:13 p.m. July 30, 2008
Money makes the World go round...
The super righteous will agree that taking the FLDS trust fund is another lap of the World.
Now, Elissa Wall retires wealthy.
This puts her written works in a solid Gold financial frame.
The super righteous will agree that taking the FLDS trust fund is another lap of the World.
Now, Elissa Wall retires wealthy.
This puts her written works in a solid Gold financial frame.
awesomeron | 8:12 p.m. July 30, 2008
Ah gee wiz, to bad.
come on | 8:14 p.m. July 30, 2008
I say while they are at it the state should go after the trust to re coop all
the welfare we have handed out to these people, everyone who says let them live
and belive what they want under "Freedom of Religion" Needs to know
you and I who go to work everyday are supporting this sick way of life,
When will we wake up and let them know if they choose to live this lifestyle great but we will not pay for it.............Miffed
When will we wake up and let them know if they choose to live this lifestyle great but we will not pay for it.............Miffed
Victim | 8:36 p.m. July 30, 2008
Personally, I feel some right to talk about being a victim of sexual
abuse--because I was one! Not FLDS or anything else, either. It had nothing to
do with religion and everything to do with evil.
And it certainly had a negative effect on me, my self image, and my emotional life--but I GOT OVER IT! And without any million dollar settlement. No one went to jail either.
I am not alone--there are many of us, and we heal, unless someone convinces us that either we can't or that there is something in it for us if we don't. It can become an excuse for lots of things, if we want it to. Or it can simply become a terrible wrong that we overcame.
There are many, many young women aged 14 and over who are sexually active in this country, many of whom also have babies. They are not being forced, and we don't know that all the FLDS girls are being forced either. Those who have been--yes, let's treat this as rape. But those who choose should be treated no differently than we treat any other sexually active teen in America.
And it certainly had a negative effect on me, my self image, and my emotional life--but I GOT OVER IT! And without any million dollar settlement. No one went to jail either.
I am not alone--there are many of us, and we heal, unless someone convinces us that either we can't or that there is something in it for us if we don't. It can become an excuse for lots of things, if we want it to. Or it can simply become a terrible wrong that we overcame.
There are many, many young women aged 14 and over who are sexually active in this country, many of whom also have babies. They are not being forced, and we don't know that all the FLDS girls are being forced either. Those who have been--yes, let's treat this as rape. But those who choose should be treated no differently than we treat any other sexually active teen in America.
Elissa Wall | 8:37 p.m. July 30, 2008
YOU GO GIRL!!!!! Bleed that FDLS beast. Take every penny they have.
For people who run the FDLS its all about money, That is what will hurt them the most.
TAKE IT ALL!!!!
For people who run the FDLS its all about money, That is what will hurt them the most.
TAKE IT ALL!!!!
plankton | 9:16 p.m. July 30, 2008
Go after their "prophet" and anyone else culpable. Leave the UEP
alone. This evidently a cooperative that all the members of the sect have
gleened from and are supported by. Raiding this fund will only hurt the
innocent. Going after this sects money as was done is a violation of the
seperation of church and state. Not to mention a violation of free practice of
religion. Penalizing many inculpable citizens isn't justified from the
deeds of a few.
local person | 9:23 p.m. July 30, 2008
The courts in Washington county enforced the trust and evicted and foreclosed on
persons kicked out of the FLDS church. The State of Utah has allowed polygamy
to flourish and be economically profitable.
Anonymous | 9:58 p.m. July 30, 2008
Comments can't be read. When you click on read comments is says there are
43 comments but also "...be the first to comment..." What's up?
HeeBee-Gee Bees | 10:12 p.m. July 30, 2008
FLDS are a menace to our society.
Please | 11:11 p.m. July 30, 2008
And how did the trust injure Miss Walls? I have difficulty understanding how it
participated in the crime.
Strangite | 4:12 a.m. July 31, 2008
Bully for Ms. Walls! The FLDS crew took the idea of the United Firm and, like
many of these groups, twisted it into a money laundry and private piggy bank.
The FLDS people had no inheritance as long as Jeffs, etc. could drive around on
the lam with upwards of 100k in their vehicles. It will hurt but they and
everyone else will be a lot better off in the long run.
Ronald A. Young | 4:43 a.m. July 31, 2008
This is an example of what a victim should do if they get the chance.I hope she
wins....
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