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  • Jeff
    Oct. 14, 2008 10:04 p.m.

    Barack claims he is only increasing taxes on those who make over $250k a year, but what he is not saying out loud, is he is also going to reverse the Bush tax cuts first... that will give everybody who makes over $42k a year a tax INCREASE... Barack is a LIAR!

  • Thomas
    July 29, 2008 12:51 p.m.

    Anon -- sticks 'n' stones, big guy. Preach to the choir and call names all you want, but until you learn to actually address the arguments, whatever advantage you get from a bad Republican moment is going to be very temporary.

  • Abdulla
    July 29, 2008 6:54 a.m.

    "Barack" is not the name of prophet's horse. It is "Burack" the name of horse.

    Barack doesn't mean "lightning" also!

    Refer atleast wikipedia!

    what a SICK argument!

  • Spoc
    July 28, 2008 10:15 p.m.

    Mr. Anonymous doesn't seem to know that Neocons are recovering Democrats who resent their party being shanghaied by single issue lefties and social engineers.

  • wrz
    July 28, 2008 9:40 p.m.

    Oscar | 6:13 p.m.: "wrz writes like he transcribing from a recording that plays the same thing over and over and over. He's the only person who is hooked on Obama's middle name as something other than what it is: a middle name as a honorific to his father..."

    What I want for a president is someone who is proud of his name... including his middle name. If B. Hussein Obama is not proud of his middle name I want to know about it and the reasons why. The guy needs to be vetted in every aspect of his life. And it's only smart to do it before he becomes pres.

    "It is sure that wrz has a middle name that honors someone, that is, if he has one."

    I'm not running for the highest office in the land of the greatest nation on God's green earth.

  • wrz
    July 28, 2008 9:29 p.m.

    Anonymous | 3:54 p.m.: "wrz - Depends on what side of the fence you are talking about. Things are looking more positive than they have for some time."

    Don't be fooled. B. Hussein Obama's "hope" and "change" are for his brothers and sisters to take over more of the country.

    "(and I'm NOT talking about Dick and Lynn Cheney's Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)"

    What have you against Halliburton and Lockheed? These firms are indispensable to the well-being of the US. Their contracts are constantly watched over by DCAA and GAO. I have first hand info.

    "America desperately needs hope."

    America has hope. Lots of hope. What America needs is for the nay-sayers to stop nay-saying. Who are the nay-sayers? Generally Bush haters and nay-sayers are the same group.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 8:24 p.m.

    The modern American conservative movement is on its last legs. Only the ridiculous postings of Thomas and his neocon ilk remain. And their only goal is to tune in to Rush Limbaugh one more day.

  • Thomas
    July 28, 2008 6:36 p.m.

    Oscar, welcome to the ad hominem club. Seems to be all the "logic" your side is capable of serving up.

    I challenge you to come up with *one* instance in which I've "fabricated" information, you slandering son of a motherless goat. Where I come from, calling a man a liar is a serious thing -- something an honorable man would no sooner do without cause than he would lie himself. Maybe not in your neighborhood.

    Serious students of history recognize the seventies as the high tide of American liberalism, where even Republican presidents like "We're all Keynesians now" Nixon embraced things like price controls that were well to the left of the modern Democratic agenda. That's entirely apart from the latter half of the seventies, which James Earl Carter presided so spectacularly over.

    And thank you *so* much for that expert psychoanalysis. Could you do me the favor next time of actually addressing the argument?



  • Oscar
    July 28, 2008 6:13 p.m.

    This must be the comic section of the newspaper with the wittisms of wrz (whoever he is) and Thomas. One can always know what they will say on the subject without having to read what they write.

    wrz writes like he transcribing from a recording that plays the same thing over and over and over. He's the only person who is hooked on Obama's middle name as something other than what it is: a middle name as a honorific to his father. It is sure that wrz has a middle name that honors someone, that is, if he has one.

    And Thomas is always hollering and yelling as if his life were in peril. His bringing up the 70s forgets to mention, from a political perspective, that the 70s were the years of Nixon and Ford. But then, Thomas believes, apparently, that anything not part of a Far-Right Conservative agenda is a bad thing.

    So he insults and fabricates information to support his opinion because his identity is too tied up with the Cheney/Bush world. His self-esteem appears to depend upon people embracing his world-view and acknowledging the "truth" that he pretends to hold.

    There's nothing else.

  • Thomas
    July 28, 2008 4:40 p.m.

    I know Anon likes his mindless soundbites -- "McSame" and all that -- but the fact is that the United States *changed* its course in Iraq (to the course recommended by John McCain), and the course changed worked: We finally got a decent counterinsurgency strategy, run by a general who understood counterinsurgency, with enough troops to carry it out, and Michael Moore's noble civilian-butchering "Minutemen" are finished. Even the AP and New York Times are admitting it.

    Only a fool "stays the course" when the course is clearly wrong. It's equally foolish to conclude that because one course failed, the whole enterprise is doomed. (Sen. Reid, about that "The war is lost!" panic of yours a few months back..."

    Change course, by all means, but for heaven's sake, not back to the seventies. When you're going down a wrong road, going back to a road you found out was the wrong road thirty years ago makes no sense whatsoever.

    Vote for James Earl Obama and bring back bell bottoms, gas lines, "The Six Million Dollar Man," and ABBA. (Maybe it wouldn't be *all* bad.)

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 3:54 p.m.

    wrz -
    Depends on what side of the fence you are talking about.
    Things are looking more positive than they have for some time. (and I'm NOT talking about Dick and Lynn Cheney's Halliburton and Lockheed Martin)
    America desperately needs hope.

  • wrz
    July 28, 2008 3:25 p.m.

    Barack's middle name is an old Muslim name. Same name as his Muslim father from Kenya. And same name as a murderous killer who once ruled in the mid-east.

    I wonder if "Obama" was actually "Osama" at one point in history.

    If so, what a legacy.

    Run for cover. It's too big for anyone to fight.

  • wrz
    July 28, 2008 3:18 p.m.

    Anonymous @ 12:41 p.m.: "Sorry Thomas.
    But you simply cannot find too many Americans who believe we should be 'staying the course.'"


    I say stay the course. The grass is never greener on the other side of the fence.

  • wrz
    July 28, 2008 3:08 p.m.

    Oh brother | 6:57 a.m.: "Wow, then Barack is most certainly a terrorist! Be afraid - be very, very afraid!"

    Good advice. I see that the terrorists are cheering for B. Hussein Obama. Can't imagine why. I think he prefers the Reverend Wright's style of church.

  • Thomas
    July 28, 2008 2:58 p.m.

    In other pointless news, did anyone know that Cindy McCain's middle name is "Wildfire"?

  • Lionheart
    July 28, 2008 1:57 p.m.

    @ Jud: Darn, I like that story about Mohammad rising into heaven on his charger, and I am particularly fond of horses named Lightening. You took all the romance and beauty out of the name. Blessed is not bad, just not as good.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 12:41 p.m.

    Sorry, Thomas.
    But you simply cannot find too many Americans who believe we should be "staying the course."
    (outside of Utah that is)

  • Thanks
    July 28, 2008 12:32 p.m.

    thanks for the reality check Jud, that taked all the fun out of it.

  • Chris Plummer
    July 28, 2008 12:24 p.m.

    I dont' even know why these posts about a person's name are being published. They have ZERO relevance for anything. Deseret Morning News is slowing reaching ROCK BOTTOM.

  • Jud
    July 28, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    Actually, BARACK is an Arabic word meaning "blessed." The final consonant in the Arabic word for lightning is a glottal sound represented by Q. The word for lightning is BARAQ, not BARACK. Different consonant.

  • Thomas
    July 28, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    Agki -- Unfortunately, Barack Obama is either going to have to break his promise to limit tax hikes to those making more than $250,000, or break his promises to expand spending in other areas. As much of the income tax as the rich are already paying, there's simply not enough taxable income in the above-$250K bracket to finance everything Barack has proposed.

    But hey -- Hope and Change. Just say the words, and everything will be better.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 11:28 a.m.

    hey I thought Rush was the name of a band and a Newt was a small fuzzy animal.

  • JWR
    July 28, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    Worried about Obama raising taxes then someone explain to me how the Federal Debt is going to be paid if not. In the paper this a.m. Federal Deficit all time high approaching $490billion dollars -- Obama is not responsible for this the Bush Regime is but who ever becomes President will have to find a way to pay up and guess what folks it will have to be higher taxes unless God blesses us with manna(money) from heaven.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 11:18 a.m.

    I thought Rush and Newt were funny names.

  • Agki
    July 28, 2008 11:11 a.m.

    Aslam: " Obama (what ever first and middle name you want to use) plans to raise taxes across the board, basically ruining any chance for an economic recovery."

    Where did you hear that Obama wanted to raise taxes "across the board"? You seem to have been listening to Rush way too much. If you would bother to check the facts, you would have found that there are no tax increases for people making less than $250,000 per year, that's about 98% of us and certainly includes me and probably you! He also wants to eliminate taxes on retirees making less than $35,000 per year.

    Why can't you people check your facts before you start complaining?

  • veiled bigotry
    July 28, 2008 10:59 a.m.

    A letter like this will never convince the "on the fence voter" to vote for John McCain. This letter only reinforces bigotry.

  • Bear Rug
    July 28, 2008 10:27 a.m.

    I wonder how Obama's tax plan will affect him and Michelle. It seems to me that he has a lot to lose with his plan.

  • Neocons want civil war
    July 28, 2008 10:28 a.m.


    This is the sort of insane claptrap that is out there today.

    The Neocon movement wants total division and use "the liberals" as their new internal enemy.

    Just listen to Limbaugh to see how they are trying to do it.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    I think IMA D is correct to a point, I think we all need to take a step back and realize that we have all become a part of the problem with or ideological hard lines on every issue. Neither party has the corner on blame or credit for the things that have gone right or the things that have gone wrong. If you want more of the same thing keep doing what your doing, stay locked in your ideological box. No one party, person or idea can move this country ahead alone.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    To: Cats: The Great Depression was caused by the fat cats who know how to manipulate the entire economic situation to their advantage.

    Just like they're are doing today.

  • hold on...
    July 28, 2008 10:25 a.m.

    Obama isn't going to raise taxes across the board. The simple people that believe this need to go and inform themselves about what is really going on. It's all right there on Obama's web site. But why do the work yourself when a talk radio hack can do all your thinking for you?

    As for the name thing, I won't vote for John McCain because he has the same name as John Wayne Gacy, who murdered more than 30 people. Because he has that name, John McCain is also a serial murderer. This makes absolute sense.

  • FaithNoMo
    July 28, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    Mr. Suminson, you listen to too much Limbaugh and Hannity. Next time write a real letter.

  • IMA D
    July 28, 2008 10:11 a.m.

    Let's jsut get the republicrats out of the White House. McCain is a bit smarter than Bush but he is way old school. THis country needs a change and McCain is not it.

  • Cats
    July 28, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    To Anonymous: The Great Depression was caused by the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act and a failure of the Federal Reserve to recognize the emergency that existed and cut loose with some increased money supply. And, in fact, the resulting trade war eventually lead to World War II. That's just a matter of History. Trickle-down economics had nothing to do with it.

  • @Cats
    July 28, 2008 9:51 a.m.

    To quote a republican hero there you go again playing loose and fast with the word fact again cats do you care to supply evidence for your claim, this one should actually be a little easier to prove.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    The reason trickle down economics fails is not really that hard to understand. When the wealth becomes centralized the people that control the wealth can only consume a finite amount of goods. They then have a choice, hold onto the rest or invest back into their businesses if they own them. The problem is that by this point the economy is sliding because most people lack the money to consume the goods that are being manufactured and imported already so the people with the money become tentative to reinvest in industry for fear of losing their investment. Trickle down economics is not evil it is just like every other economic plan (yes, including socialism) that they look great on paper but get lost in translation. We must continue to work to find a hybrid balance between many economic theories and will unlikely ever find that perfect solution.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 9:27 a.m.

    You want to talk about economic train wrecks lets talk about trickle down economics and how they have failed miserably three times in the past hundred years. Leading to the great depression, the second largest down turn during the 1980s and now. Please I could use the same silly logic with the republicans, take money away from hard working Americans that actually produce the goods our economy needs and give it to the rich so that they can sock it away rather then reinvest in industry. Trickle down economics has always failed and always will.

  • To Mustang:
    July 28, 2008 9:14 a.m.

    I'm going to print and save your letter about Obama's tax plan. We'll see if your taxes really go down, and if those under $50,000 really end up paying no taxes. If this, or anything remotely resembling this happens you have my appologies. Otherwise I will put on my liberal suit and come and sell you some ocean front property in Nevada. The democrat dna requires a promise of a tax increase to the evil rich (someone else) and a gift from the government to you. Phase 2 says that if you are able to support yourself and your family (number of jobs required to do this does not matter) you are one of the evil rich and will be taxed more. The resulting economic train wreck is not their fault because their motives were pure.

  • Cats
    July 28, 2008 8:39 a.m.

    The letter is really stupid and pointless. However, it is true that Obama plans to raise taxes which is the worst thing anyone can do when heading into an economic downturn. Also, raising capital gains taxes is the surest way to make sure that no capital gets formed to start new enterprises and create jobs. That capital will flee overseas instead.

    I actually think that Obama is a nice guy, but the man is a genuine, certifiable LIGHTWEIGHT. He has no experience and no accomplishments, not to mention being left-wing off the chart. I hope that people wake up to these facts before election day.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 8:38 a.m.

    Any experts out there know what Obama "really believes"? Or is this name thing part of his "real history"? Never let the man explain himself, right?

  • Mustang
    July 28, 2008 8:15 a.m.

    Ms/Mr Aslam --- you must have received that right wing nut email that has been sent around about Obama's tax plan???? Well, I hate to burst your bubble -- it ain't true!!!! According to Obama's economic plan, my taxes would decrease $1,000 from the present rate and if you are on social security and have an income under $50,000, you'd pay no federal income tax at all. By the way, I hope you didn't fall for that former Nigerian dictator's email -- you know, the one where he has a fortune waiting for you

  • Aslam
    July 28, 2008 7:42 a.m.

    Let me see, Obama (what ever first and middle name you want to use) plans to raise taxes across the board, basically ruining any chance for an economic recovery. He has promised, by some accounts, almost $1 trillion in new spending programs. He has promised to remove all troops from Iraq within 16 months, now he is hedging that one. He has promised to socialize medicine like they have in the UK and Cuba.

    I fear that far, FAR more than I do his middle name. Or that he shares the same name as a horse.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 7:22 a.m.

    oops, that right the childish behavior started with the letter writer. It is a little frightening to think that this person is a part of the voting public.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    July 28, 2008 7:24 a.m.

    This is the exact reason that I'm voting for him.

  • Oh brother
    July 28, 2008 6:57 a.m.

    Wow, then Barack is most certainly a terrorist! Be afraid - be very, very afraid!

  • Yawn
    July 28, 2008 6:30 a.m.

    Not too interesting.

  • Anonymous
    July 28, 2008 6:24 a.m.

    let the childish behavior begin

  • Roland Kayser
    July 28, 2008 5:24 a.m.

    What is the point of this letter?

  • Utah Bill
    July 28, 2008 5:01 a.m.

    Hmmm... yet another attempt to link Obama as much as possible with anything Muslim?

    We saw the same occur with issues raised about Kennedy's Catholic membership and, something closer to home, Romney's LDS status.