Deseret News | Reader comments: Texas judge separates FLDS child-custody cases

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Texas judge separates FLDS child-custody cases

More lies from CPS | 5:36 a.m. July 27, 2008

ï¿½Crimmins noted the new alignment of cases, in sibling groups according to mother, has consistently been one of his agency's goals, and is standard practice in child protective cases.ï¿½

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Crimmins obviously thinks the public is idiotic, as it has been the goal of CPS to treat the YFZ ranch as a unit. That was the only way they could take them all, for they had no evidence against individuals. And Crimmins is right, for some people still seem to believe anything he says, even though the culture of lying at CPS has been apparent for months.

Gal50 | 8:04 a.m. July 27, 2008

This is something legal experts and the FLDS can celebrate.

Since all children were potential victims of the same problems such as boys being asked to leave the FLDS, girls being forced to marry and children being reassigned to new fathers, CPS treated each child alike. Certainly the teenagers were at a greater immediate risk. CPS was looking to ensure that the awful things that happen to children within the FLDS ceased altogether.

The courts said that you can't do that. Young families that are just as likely to have these problems later on, have to be treated as victimless. There is no problem with their children being witness to pregnant teens, reassigned families etc. At the other end are child rape victims and the other children in their families who are normally viewed as being at greater risk.

Oddly enough a three-year boy with a raped sister is at less risk in the FLDS, but is going to be watched more carefully because his parents failed to protect the teen daughter. A twelve-year old girl in a family that hasn't yet committed abuse, is at greater likelihood of abuse, but will receive less protection.

zxcvbnm | 9:41 a.m. July 27, 2008

Yep Gal 50.......is it so amazing to you that where crime is not committed there is no reason to involve the law.
We are treated as individuals in this country. A criminal is convicted and the criminals family is not punished. A criminal is arrested and the entire neighborhood surrounding the criminal is not detained or arrested.
Those that are predisposed to commit crimes (if there are such people) can not be harassed until they commit the crime.

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LARRY | 9:46 a.m. July 27, 2008

I would like to know where the federal civil rights lawyers are. They should be filing cases against the State of Texas, CPS,The Judge who is totally out of control for violating the civil righs of the people.

Joey | 10:00 a.m. July 27, 2008

What the article doesn't mention is that at the same time, the judge unilaterally suspended motions of discovery, which means lawyers for the parents can no longer attempt to discover the evidence/basis/probable cause the state claims it has for investigating a given parent. Lawyers for the family were given no notice of this prior to issuance of this order, making the order ex parte--which is flatly illegal by Texas law.
Texas knows civil rights lawsuits are coming and wants to withhold this evidence or lack thereof, until it can put it story together and get on secure legal footing.

zxcvbnm | 11:23 a.m. July 27, 2008

Thanks for the info Joey. Looks to me like Texas has had plenty of time to go thru the "evidence".
Two days to gather the troops but four months to look thru a bunch of boxes. I guess the State squandered its overtime budget during the raid.

Where is the investigation of the conduct of CPS....it was promised.

david woolley | 6:59 p.m. July 27, 2008

I am from Canada and cannot belive the actions of the state of Texas in this case. In a free country people should be allowed their fredom as for pologamy over a billion practice it in the nane of Islam and you can be sure the cps wont touch that one.

Enter namezxcvbnm | 9:34 p.m. July 27, 2008

Hey woolley......This is texas....Freedom is a relative thing here......if the Baptists don't do it noone can do it.

Ray | 8:37 a.m. July 28, 2008

Now it's time for 256 motions to dismiss! They have nothoing against these families except tall-tale storys and innuendo!

anonymous | 9:21 a.m. July 28, 2008

Yeah, nothing but tall-tales and innuendo. And Bishops records, birth certificates, marriage records, pictures, diary entries.....

realitycheck | 9:57 a.m. July 28, 2008

Face the facts (and the music), FLDS people. You brought this all on yourselves. You took a fairly benign practice like polygamy and let Jeffs et al twist the whole thing into the ugliness that is today's FLDS.

It's time to take your medicine like a man (or woman) and then move on and start over. You'll need to ditch the hiarchy that got you here (Jeffs, Jessop, etc) and go back to the basic tenets that are your true religion.

No one cares if you have 5 wives and 50 children, as long as you support them, ensure they have decent schooling, and give them the freedom to make choices in the future. And trading your daughters for favors with the leadership has got to stop.

This isn't rocket science. You know what you've been doing wrong, and you know what makes a good parent. You lost sight of both by allowing the likes of Jeffs and company to run the show.

You'll have to take the punishment doled out for your foolishness and indiscretions, and start fresh with your family's best interests at heart, instead of the church leader's best interest. They are NOT one and the same.

anonymous | 10:37 a.m. July 28, 2008

Here, here, realitycheck! No one would've ever bothered them if they'd done the things you listed! They think it's about the polygamy, but it's not, it's about the kids.

realitycheck | 3:59 p.m. July 28, 2008

looks like two Jessops, a Barlow, a Keate, and an Emack all turned themselves in today. It's starting to get interesting..... We can discuss once Deseret posts their story.

dollslikeus | 5:32 p.m. July 29, 2008

What a mess children with more then one mother men with more then one wife.
Some children not knowing who their parents are welfare supporting a lot of the families because families cannoot afford to grow as big as they have grown young women marring older men .
Having children at young ages.
This is not religion this is sex for dirty old men .

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