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Go Get Em Harry! | 6:01 a.m. July 25, 2008
The Senate democratic attack dog, Harry Reid, at his finest. Unlike Harry
Truman, his idol and namesake, Harry Reid " gives 'em Hell"
without obtaining results. While the US economy flames-out on $5 a gallon
diesel and gasoline, all that he and his Democratic "majority" in the
Senate and House can do is block votes they know they will lose on drilling for
more U.S. oil.....offshore and in ANWR, and do useless hearings like this one on
Polygamy and Steroids in Baseball. And name a bunch of post-offices. Why
doesn't he expand is "probe" to include all of the co-habitating
couples (hetero and homo) across the nation who are living together without
benefit of clergy? That's illegal too... But wait, maybe that will offend
most of his Democratic constituency in Hollywood, etc.
Aaron | 6:06 a.m. July 25, 2008
I agree with much of Reid's assessments regarding the abuses and crimes
within the polygamous community, but for him to talk- as the head Senate
democrat-, of "organized crime" in this context? Please. Pot, meet
kettle. The good senator has no room to talk or point fingers, considering his
real estate foibles and influence peddling.
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Cats | 6:08 a.m. July 25, 2008
Senator Reid is a hero. I have never been a supporter of Hary Reid, but if he
can put these criminals away and put a stop to this disgusting practice,
he's a hero.
I'm so sick and tired of people referring to the difference between the FLDS and other "law abiding polygamists." POLYGAMY, IN AND OF ITSELF, IS A CRIME--not to mention the other crimes that often accompany the practice.
It's time something gets done about it. GO HARRY REID.
I'm so sick and tired of people referring to the difference between the FLDS and other "law abiding polygamists." POLYGAMY, IN AND OF ITSELF, IS A CRIME--not to mention the other crimes that often accompany the practice.
It's time something gets done about it. GO HARRY REID.
Harry Reid | 6:33 a.m. July 25, 2008
Please, Nevada, do the country a favor and DO NOT send Harry Reid back to
Washington. He is an enemy to freedom and the Constitution. He represents what
is wrong with this country and the only way to fix our problems is to clean
house, starting with the failed leadership!
Moessers | 7:10 a.m. July 25, 2008
Cats: that comment could have been easily made over a hundred and twenty years
ago in any newspaper in this country in reference to the LDS church. I find it
so amazing that so many LDS people, like Harry Reid, are on such a crusade
against a practice they started, and which is still a doctrine they still have
on the books.
Joe W. | 7:15 a.m. July 25, 2008
I am a strong member of the LDS Church (NOT to be intentionally confused with
the FLDS - which has nothing to do with the LDS Church and should immediately
change their name to reflect who they truly are!).
I thank Sen. Reid for saying the obvious - there is no place for these psycho perverts (Jeffs etc.) outisde of jail - and there should be no where to hide. Being polygamist is one thing (although clearly incorrect when not condoned by God i.e. Abraham, Young) but when young girls are abused, as is the case with the FLDS, then the government can and should take immediate action.
I thank Sen. Reid for saying the obvious - there is no place for these psycho perverts (Jeffs etc.) outisde of jail - and there should be no where to hide. Being polygamist is one thing (although clearly incorrect when not condoned by God i.e. Abraham, Young) but when young girls are abused, as is the case with the FLDS, then the government can and should take immediate action.
Gal50 | 7:19 a.m. July 25, 2008
I was wondering why polygamy is in the title of this proceeding. It appears that
it is to please the Mormon church.
The crime of polygamy was largely overlooked in the testimony. Only one person mentioned the criminal aspect of polygamy. And only one person mentioned crime outside the FLDS. So, the real topic of this proceeding was the varied crimes of the FLDS.
Although many crimes were described, the crime of child rape holds center stage and in that, the FLDS has more in common with the Catholic church than with other polygamous groups.
Of all the features that differentiate the FLDS from the norm, polygamy is the main feature. If I were from one of the other polygamous groups, I'd be very upset that the FLDS has jeopardized my lifestyle.
Lastly, I'm not sure the Mormons are the enemy of the FLDS. The rest of the country would probably have a lot less tolerance for all of this behavior.
The crime of polygamy was largely overlooked in the testimony. Only one person mentioned the criminal aspect of polygamy. And only one person mentioned crime outside the FLDS. So, the real topic of this proceeding was the varied crimes of the FLDS.
Although many crimes were described, the crime of child rape holds center stage and in that, the FLDS has more in common with the Catholic church than with other polygamous groups.
Of all the features that differentiate the FLDS from the norm, polygamy is the main feature. If I were from one of the other polygamous groups, I'd be very upset that the FLDS has jeopardized my lifestyle.
Lastly, I'm not sure the Mormons are the enemy of the FLDS. The rest of the country would probably have a lot less tolerance for all of this behavior.
support | 7:27 a.m. July 25, 2008
it is obvious that Reid is an indep. Mormon. He really ticks off those who want
straight up, on your knees at all time Mormons. He thinks. Now that is a
rarity indeed!
The polygamists are organized, and they do commit all kinds of crimes to get money. Thus they are... you figure it out class.
Go Reid!!!
The polygamists are organized, and they do commit all kinds of crimes to get money. Thus they are... you figure it out class.
Go Reid!!!
uncannygunman | 7:35 a.m. July 25, 2008
If they're the mob, go after them because they're the mob. If
they're not the mob, I say leave them alone to run their own weird lives.
I don't want the government telling me which women (or with how many) I can
get involved with!
RE: Harry Reid | 7:50 a.m. July 25, 2008
Give me a break! Harry Reid is doing what he should do. As a staunch
Conservative, I feel we need to put politics aside and prosecute Polygamy for
what it is - a big organized sham that victimizes women and chldren. These
people need to quit hiding behind the Constitution and Utahns need to stop
defending these crooks. If we all stopped tolerating this disease, it would end
in our generation.
Pots and Kettles | 7:55 a.m. July 25, 2008
Senator Reid may be looking for headlines featuring his name during an election
year. Or he may have a a heart bent toward civic duty. It matters not. The FLDS
church (pot)and the LDS church(kettle)are too similar in their attitude toward
women for one to be under federal investigation without the other being examined
as well. A recent article in the DN recognizing the plight of women who
sacrifice their education in order to support their husbands in college is a
prime example. Teaching women that they are inferior to their husbands and must
submit to the man as a priesthood holder - even to mental, emotional, and
physical abuse - is a crime. The difference between what LDS leaders extoll from
the conference podium and what women experience is great...and should be
exposed.
Charli | 7:57 a.m. July 25, 2008
I think Senator Reid is harse in his statements BUT something must be done and
someone must stand up to the FLDS. Many innocent ones will be hurt but this
practice must be stopped NOW. What they are doing is against the law! Let me
say that again... WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS AGAINST THE LAW! If you don't stop
this chain of events that are using and abusing the younger ones, it will
continue forever. I say "Go Senator Reid & keep up the pressure to
stop the FLDS."
AZ Border Dude | 8:11 a.m. July 25, 2008
By definition a criminal conspiracy is when three or more people agree to commit
an act, or series of acts, that systematically violate the Criminal Laws of a
State or the United States.
That said, adults that coerce underage teen females to participate in sex and adults that actually commit the sex act, in concert with the coercion, is conspiracy. It's repeated practice over many years is systamatic. If the male and female are not legally married it's criminal.
The FLDS actions satisfy that rule.
This rare cooperation between Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Utah during these latest events is outstanding. But, it should not be expected for future situations or other cases.
FLDS is not the only organization engaged in these type practices.
On this rare occasion, Harry Ried seems to be right; the federal authorities should be involved. The FLDS usually moves their activities or people from one state to another to avoid investigation, apprehension or prosecution.
This can be a child exploitation law useful for other than this single purpose. It should allow federal authorities to become involved easier and earlier; also make criminal moving victims or witnesses, by conspiratorial groups, across jurisdictions to thwart access by investigators.
That said, adults that coerce underage teen females to participate in sex and adults that actually commit the sex act, in concert with the coercion, is conspiracy. It's repeated practice over many years is systamatic. If the male and female are not legally married it's criminal.
The FLDS actions satisfy that rule.
This rare cooperation between Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Utah during these latest events is outstanding. But, it should not be expected for future situations or other cases.
FLDS is not the only organization engaged in these type practices.
On this rare occasion, Harry Ried seems to be right; the federal authorities should be involved. The FLDS usually moves their activities or people from one state to another to avoid investigation, apprehension or prosecution.
This can be a child exploitation law useful for other than this single purpose. It should allow federal authorities to become involved easier and earlier; also make criminal moving victims or witnesses, by conspiratorial groups, across jurisdictions to thwart access by investigators.
Oh Please | 8:15 a.m. July 25, 2008
Harry Reid is a man of principle and is doing exactly what should be done. Since
Utah and Arizona seem unable to deal with the mess on their mutual border,
it's appropriate for the Federals to get involved. Teenage girls in slave
marriages, children getting no education, hundreds of millions in wealth while
the polygamist families feed off welfare? It IS scam, and a malignant one.
Their beliefs don't matter one way or another, but when they undertake to
victimize women and children and prey on the rest of us, they ARE a criminal
organization.
IS | 8:19 a.m. July 25, 2008
FLDS is FOREVER LDS.I love FLDS.
Low down cryin' shame | 8:22 a.m. July 25, 2008
It's a low down shame and near treason for Harry Reid and friends to waste
time hunting polygamists when their efforts should be spent crafting a viable
energy policy and dealing with America's more pressing problems.
CC | 8:25 a.m. July 25, 2008
There are others in CC/Hildale than the FLDS that have been discriminated
against for years. This in itself is unlawful. It is time for the criminal
city governments and its agents to pay. They have never represented or
protected all of its residents especially the innocent. Take them down Harry
and protect those that have missed out on it for so long because of criminal
activity.
Larryc206 | 8:29 a.m. July 25, 2008
When it comes right down to it, polygamy is against the law of the land. Any
group, religious or not, should not be surprised to find them selves being
prosecuted for violations of the law.
dave4197 | 8:31 a.m. July 25, 2008
moessers you're nuts = wrong = misguided = nuts
dave4197 | 8:34 a.m. July 25, 2008
Good for Senator Reid, and for those who are working with him to expose,
prosecute, penalize, and we hope change - these FLDS criminals who promote and
practice effective slavery and financial scamming. You political screamers
above, put your politics aside, this one's a non partisan issue, get on the
side of doing some useful and good. together.
How Interesting? | 8:38 a.m. July 25, 2008
It is interesting how the raids happened to the FLDS people, how the news
embelished stories about the FLDS, poked fun about the lifestyles, tried to find
a story ... but when the truth about a false call, a wacked-out girl in
Colorado, CPS & Texas abusing their authority, that there has been an end to
the FLDS investigation & no CPS & Texas investigation at all!
By the way, listening to Sen. Reid ... "Methinks thou doest protest too much!"
By the way, listening to Sen. Reid ... "Methinks thou doest protest too much!"
RE: Pots and Kettles | 8:47 a.m. July 25, 2008
I'm afraid that if any Bishop or other leader in the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-Day Saints were to see a man abusing his priesthood, he would be
severely disciplined. There is a verse in a book of scripture called
"Doctrine and Covenants" It reads as follows, "We have learned by
sad experience that is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as
they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to
exercise unrighteous dominion...no power or influence can or ought to be
maintained by power of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by
gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned..." "...the rights of
the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the
powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of
righteousness. That they may be conferred upon is, it is true; but when we
undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to
exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of
men, in any degree of unrighteousness...Amen to the priesthood or authority of
that man"
D&C 121:39,41,37
D&C 121:39,41,37
Anonymous | 8:48 a.m. July 25, 2008
Uncannygunman - No one is going to tell you how many women you can be involved
with. They will, however, have something to say if you're involved with
little girls.
Anonymous | 8:53 a.m. July 25, 2008
Polygamy is against the law but who said there was more than one marriage per
couple in the FLDS group. Is there more than one wife to a man that have civil
marriage certificates. If you say they are breaking the law, so are many others
that have multiple partners and children.
Senator Reid should know | 8:56 a.m. July 25, 2008
Harry Reid is quite familiar with criminal enterprises, given the shady nature
of some of his real estate deals.
Google "Harry Reid real estate Las Vegas" and you'll see.
Google "Harry Reid real estate Las Vegas" and you'll see.
cool | 8:54 a.m. July 25, 2008
Since organizations like the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
exsit to promote gay pedophilia: lets prosecute ALL homosexuals too.
Reid is a hypocrite.
Reid is a hypocrite.
wrz | 8:55 a.m. July 25, 2008
To: How Interesting? @ 8:38 a.m.
What's also interesting is that the federal government doesn't go into San Francisco, for example, and do some investigating of sexual adorations/deviancies of its citizens. They pick on some lowly cult living in the desert.
What's also interesting is that the federal government doesn't go into San Francisco, for example, and do some investigating of sexual adorations/deviancies of its citizens. They pick on some lowly cult living in the desert.
Alex | 8:59 a.m. July 25, 2008
AZ Border Dude:
"If the male and female are not legally married it's criminal. "
You don't get it. They aren't legally married.
"If the male and female are not legally married it's criminal. "
You don't get it. They aren't legally married.
Cats Meow | 9:04 a.m. July 25, 2008
Oh please. Harry Reid is not a man of principle. The whole FLDS thing has
given Mormons a bad name. Harry Reid is a Mormon, and he is only doing this to
save his political career. After the FLDS thing, a lot of people are not going
to vote for a Mormon. The best way to prove you aren't a polygamist is to
go after the polygamist.
By the way Cat, polygamy may be a crime, but none of these polygamist technically live polygamy. They have affairs, and that is legal because the rest of society wants to make sure they can have sex whenever and with whatever, including same-sex. (children excluded)
By the way Cat, polygamy may be a crime, but none of these polygamist technically live polygamy. They have affairs, and that is legal because the rest of society wants to make sure they can have sex whenever and with whatever, including same-sex. (children excluded)
claire | 9:02 a.m. July 25, 2008
There are a slightly higher number of baby boys born into this world than girls.
Thus making a polygamist lifestyle impossible to continue unless:
1.they recruit women from the outside..
2.marry younger and younger girls robbing from the next generation...
3.dropping their unwanted boys off into the wilderness to fend for themselves...
God has provided for enough men for the women to marry. The FLDS and the early LDS have gotten it wrong. Polygamy victimizes women and children.
Just think about it LDS what happens to all the baby boys who have died before the age of accountability? Never having a chance to marry in this life? There will be enough men in heaven as well, there is no need for polygamy. What woman wants to share her husband? Sounds like a stockholm syndrome to me...
Go Harry, and right this very very wrong!
1.they recruit women from the outside..
2.marry younger and younger girls robbing from the next generation...
3.dropping their unwanted boys off into the wilderness to fend for themselves...
God has provided for enough men for the women to marry. The FLDS and the early LDS have gotten it wrong. Polygamy victimizes women and children.
Just think about it LDS what happens to all the baby boys who have died before the age of accountability? Never having a chance to marry in this life? There will be enough men in heaven as well, there is no need for polygamy. What woman wants to share her husband? Sounds like a stockholm syndrome to me...
Go Harry, and right this very very wrong!
RE: Pots and kettles continued | 9:02 a.m. July 25, 2008
So with those scriptures I hope things are slightly cleared up about the Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka LDS and/or Mormon Church). I beg you
with humility to understand that in the case of one man trying to control his
wife by making her quit school or work to help him pay for his college, in most
cases, it is her choice. In the sad cases in which a man uses his supposed
"authority from the Lord" to control his wife in ANY way, it is a sin
and a crime against the Church and God. I understand your concern about this
topic, but it is the man's sin, not a whole Church's. I don't
think all polygamists are inherently criminal, but when almost every single
"religious" leader is a corrupt business man at heart...I see a
problem with the whole group. The two Churches (the LDS Church and the FLDS
Church) are no longer connected. They are going in opposite directions; one is
eroding (FLDS), and one is expanding (LDS). I think we could be wasting our time
much more efficiently in the Senate (congress≠progress) if we were talking
about something more important.
ut IT'S ABOUT TIME | 9:06 a.m. July 25, 2008
NOW SHUT EM DOWN , CAUSE THEY'RE CLOWNS
Cosmo | 9:13 a.m. July 25, 2008
Harry, you and your "Band of Thieves" called Congress, are the real
"Organized Crime" racket.
Thanks "Claire" | 9:22 a.m. July 25, 2008
Well said! I totally agree with you and applaud this crime to finally be
brought all out into the open. The LDS like to think that their form of
polygamy in the "after-life" is somehow better than the FLDS form.
They deny the fact that they used to be just like FLDS by saying "that was
different". It's time to face the truth! Polygamy is not and never
was alright. In ancient times it was a lifestyle that hurt people too. Just
because some were considered "prophets" at the time doesn't mean
that this lifestyle is fine now. They also had forms of slavery and women were
also considered property and second class citizens. There are many more things
that people did in ancient times. There are also things that people do now in
more primitive conditions.
Anonymous | 9:36 a.m. July 25, 2008
Moessers: Polygamy is illegal. Which part of that fact don't you
understand.
Alex | 9:41 a.m. July 25, 2008
The FBI should only be in this to prosecute federal crimes, not to bring down
organizations. You set a dangerous and tyrannical precedent when you do that
(kind of like Waco, TX). As long as the government sticks with abuse, fraud,
conspiracy and like crimes, I say, "Go get 'em."
If they want to be successful however, the feds would do well not to prosecute bigamy charges. Bigamy has become a crime in name only. Since their plural marriages aren't even registered with the state and since cohabitation and adultery laws are on weak legal legs in this country, they should stick with the iron clad crimes and not try to "stick it to the FLDS" by taking down a tenet of their faith. Corner the criminals, not religious adherents.
If they want to be successful however, the feds would do well not to prosecute bigamy charges. Bigamy has become a crime in name only. Since their plural marriages aren't even registered with the state and since cohabitation and adultery laws are on weak legal legs in this country, they should stick with the iron clad crimes and not try to "stick it to the FLDS" by taking down a tenet of their faith. Corner the criminals, not religious adherents.
LDS / FLDS | 9:39 a.m. July 25, 2008
No wonder the general population is confused about LDS vs FLDS; Mormon or
'other version of' Mormon ... the biggest defenders of the FLDS in
terms of taking a laissez faire approach with them, and now the biggest
proponents of going after their hiding abuses behind the curtain of religious
freedom ... are mainstream Mormons.
Thomas M. | 9:42 a.m. July 25, 2008
Reid is a total embarrasment to religion, state and family. He should go live
with Pelosi the devil woman in Cuba.
Morals | 9:51 a.m. July 25, 2008
All moral Americans will support what Harry Reid is doing here. I fully support
him in his righteous endeavors.
open | 9:51 a.m. July 25, 2008
I think it's interesting. Are we against the FLDS or polygamy? What if a
guy next door to you has 3 wives, they are all adults and it's an
arrangement they all prefer. Is that wrong? Adults have the right to believe
what they want and marry whom they want (children excluded) If it's a man
and man, a man and woman, 3 men and one man, 2 women and man, one woman and four
men. America is built to be open to these things. It is also built for you to
express frustration and explain that this is God's country and marriage is
only between a man and a woman. That doesn't mean that people married to
your standard do not abuse children. This is a ramble, at least it makes sense
Richard Nibbler | 9:54 a.m. July 25, 2008
While I agree with Harry's assessment - this is a bit of the "pot
calling the kettle black". Harry's real estate deals and his bullying
is nothing short of organized crime as well.
David | 9:59 a.m. July 25, 2008
In my mind, the real question Mormons have is - is polygamy inherently evil?
Depriving someone of their rights, manipulating others in the name of God,
sexual relations with minors, etc., are sins of the worst kind.
When the LDS practiced polygamy, there were many more righteous women in the faith than men. Certain men who were faithful, gentle (for the most part), and good bread-winners were asked to practice polygamy. (The best source to learn about plural marriage is Eliza R. Snow.) The LDS church grew quickly and expanded and developed various areas in the West. Most of areas have become strongholds.
Abuse has never been tolerated in the LDS faith. President Hinckley would repeatedly and appropriately chastice the men on this topic. Most of those called into leadership are gentle, wonderful people.
Again, is polygamy inherently wrong? I don't like the idea personally - but I wouldn't say that Abraham was an evil man.
When the LDS practiced polygamy, there were many more righteous women in the faith than men. Certain men who were faithful, gentle (for the most part), and good bread-winners were asked to practice polygamy. (The best source to learn about plural marriage is Eliza R. Snow.) The LDS church grew quickly and expanded and developed various areas in the West. Most of areas have become strongholds.
Abuse has never been tolerated in the LDS faith. President Hinckley would repeatedly and appropriately chastice the men on this topic. Most of those called into leadership are gentle, wonderful people.
Again, is polygamy inherently wrong? I don't like the idea personally - but I wouldn't say that Abraham was an evil man.
Cats | 10:00 a.m. July 25, 2008
Once again, the FLDS are coming out, using different names and trying to
convince the rest of us that they are victims of some sort of terrible
injustice.
I think one of the biggest problems is that the rest of us have been too tolerant of all of these groups too long. We should have done more about this a long time ago. A lot of us just wanted to turn a blind eye to all these groups and pretend they didn't exist. Because, let's face it, they are an embarrassment.
Warren Jeffs has publicly admitted that he is a FALSE PROPHET. He and his followers have been exploiting children, evading taxes, committing all kinds of fraud and just generally using the rest of us to continue their crimes.
Harry Reid is in no political trouble in Nevada whatsoever. He doesn't need to do this to get elected this fall.
I'm a staunch Republican, but Harry Reid is a hero. Thanks Senator Reid.
I think one of the biggest problems is that the rest of us have been too tolerant of all of these groups too long. We should have done more about this a long time ago. A lot of us just wanted to turn a blind eye to all these groups and pretend they didn't exist. Because, let's face it, they are an embarrassment.
Warren Jeffs has publicly admitted that he is a FALSE PROPHET. He and his followers have been exploiting children, evading taxes, committing all kinds of fraud and just generally using the rest of us to continue their crimes.
Harry Reid is in no political trouble in Nevada whatsoever. He doesn't need to do this to get elected this fall.
I'm a staunch Republican, but Harry Reid is a hero. Thanks Senator Reid.
Anonymous | 10:01 a.m. July 25, 2008
Only in Utah will people have these strange discussions about religion and
polygamy.
Hmmm | 10:13 a.m. July 25, 2008
The Federal Government's interest in this area can be summed up as such:
1. These polygamist organizations are abusing children by forcing underage females to marry, copulate and reproduce with adult males.
2. These same organizations are committing fraud by having the same girls claim welfare benefits as "single" mothers.
If two, three, four, etc. adults want to get together and live in a polygamist relationship, and do so without attempting to claim government benefits, I am sure they could do so without threat of government interference. But to allow the "spirit" wives of polygamist men to commit welfare fraud is harmful to our society. The government should take steps to stop it.
What these (FLDS and others) organizations do in terms of systemic child abuse, corruption of civil authority and welfare fraud would probably fall under existing RICO statutes for organized crime and they should be prosecuted.
What I cannot understand is the defense of these organizations by non-FLDS people. I am interested to hear their defense of child sexual abuse, organized civil corruption and welfare fraud.
I have a thirst for knowledge, teach me.
1. These polygamist organizations are abusing children by forcing underage females to marry, copulate and reproduce with adult males.
2. These same organizations are committing fraud by having the same girls claim welfare benefits as "single" mothers.
If two, three, four, etc. adults want to get together and live in a polygamist relationship, and do so without attempting to claim government benefits, I am sure they could do so without threat of government interference. But to allow the "spirit" wives of polygamist men to commit welfare fraud is harmful to our society. The government should take steps to stop it.
What these (FLDS and others) organizations do in terms of systemic child abuse, corruption of civil authority and welfare fraud would probably fall under existing RICO statutes for organized crime and they should be prosecuted.
What I cannot understand is the defense of these organizations by non-FLDS people. I am interested to hear their defense of child sexual abuse, organized civil corruption and welfare fraud.
I have a thirst for knowledge, teach me.
MoJules | 10:21 a.m. July 25, 2008
"We do honor our pioneer ancestors by condemning those who have wrongfully
cloaked themselves in the trappings of religion to obscure their true criminal
purposes," Reid's own words.
Wow, I think many of the members of the LDS church could say this about Reid He is wanting to stop any drilling in the USA, so when you people pay higher gas prices down the road and higher food prices and have to go on government or church welfare or send both parents out to work, thank this man. Doesn't the LDS church teach us to be self reliant and encourage mothers to stay at home, but with the gas prices and food prices going up, it is getting to be impossible. Reid needs to practice what he preaches.
Wow, I think many of the members of the LDS church could say this about Reid He is wanting to stop any drilling in the USA, so when you people pay higher gas prices down the road and higher food prices and have to go on government or church welfare or send both parents out to work, thank this man. Doesn't the LDS church teach us to be self reliant and encourage mothers to stay at home, but with the gas prices and food prices going up, it is getting to be impossible. Reid needs to practice what he preaches.
Think!!!! | 10:25 a.m. July 25, 2008
David: Abuse has never been tolerated in the LDS faith. President Hinckley would
'REPEATEDLY' and 'APPROPRIATELY' chastice the men on this
topic. 'MOST' of those called into leadership are gentle, wonderful
people.
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So, there IS abuse in Harry Reids own religion???? and he IS trying to smere the FLDS???
Anyone notice, not one other group was named in the hearing??? Isn't THAT TARGETING ONE RELIGION THUS BEING RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION????
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
HARRY, PUT DOWN YOUR ROCK!!!!
________________________________________________
So, there IS abuse in Harry Reids own religion???? and he IS trying to smere the FLDS???
Anyone notice, not one other group was named in the hearing??? Isn't THAT TARGETING ONE RELIGION THUS BEING RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION????
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
HARRY, PUT DOWN YOUR ROCK!!!!
Anonymous | 10:39 a.m. July 25, 2008
Judge not lest you be judged yourself.
If a child is abused remove that child from the abuser and prosecute the guilty party, but do not persecute those who are innocent just because of their belief in a certain lifestyle.
If an adult man and woman choose to be with another adult woman or man ... to each their own.
Religious persecution is the reason the pilgrims fled England.
INNOCENT until proven guilty ... isn't THAT the LAW?
Co-habitating with more than one person ISN'T illegal.
Separate the facts people and remember what this country was founded on.
If a child is abused remove that child from the abuser and prosecute the guilty party, but do not persecute those who are innocent just because of their belief in a certain lifestyle.
If an adult man and woman choose to be with another adult woman or man ... to each their own.
Religious persecution is the reason the pilgrims fled England.
INNOCENT until proven guilty ... isn't THAT the LAW?
Co-habitating with more than one person ISN'T illegal.
Separate the facts people and remember what this country was founded on.
Funny | 10:41 a.m. July 25, 2008
I thought it funny when the FLDS said Reid wasn't well-informed. Reid is
Mormon. Of course he knows what polygamy is! Most Mormons understand polygamy
because their ancestors lived it. But what the FLDS and other polygamists are
living is NOT what Joseph Smith taught. They should be considered outlaws,
because that's what they are. But the families shouldn't have to be
forced to live in that environment. I think what the government says it will do
will eventually benefit everyone in the nation.
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They keep their women in bondage. The chains that keep these women in their slavery conditions is the threat that their immortal soul will be lost if they do not comply.
That is evil.
I support what Harry Reid is doing 100%.