Comments about ‘Utah Utes football: Whittingham, rivals say feuds are over’

Re: @Poor,

Correct me if I am wrong -- but onside kicks that the kicking team attempts to recover before the ball has gone 10 yards fail 100 percent of the time.

The embarrassment is that not only did the Utes try the onside kick to make a statement, but that the statement was: We are not coached well enough to know basic rules. (Of course, in fairness to the Ute special teamers, they were the first players in college football history to be put in the position of trying to recover an onside kick in the third quarter ahead by 43 points.)

Not converting the on-side kick may not be an embarassment, but doing it sure was. Not converting just added to the "crass" act.

Utah can talk BCS all they want. Fact of the matter is, they have a harder time than BYU scheduling BCS teams, even in the house the Olympics built.

no coach is above it. Kyle's on side kick was a bad idea, yes. So was Bronco's choice to leave John Beck and Max Hall in for almost every snap in several games that were in hand the last 2 years. Lavell was not running dive plays up the middle to run out the clock, he was throwing the ball down field.
Get over it, all these guys have egos and pride that gets the best of them including BYU's "Golden Calf", Bronco.

Re: Re: Fued, are you trying out material for your next standup routine? What's next: "Why do they call if Ovaltine? Shouldn't it be Roundtine?"

"Utah clearly belongs with the big boys?" Lay off the Red Bull there, Champ! Stop running away from Frank Summers like he's the Incredible Hulk and then get back to me.

Bronco v. Whitt records speak for themselves.

Head to head: Bronco 2, Whitt 1

League championships: Bronco 2, Whitt 1

Conference winning streak: Bronco 16, Whitt 0

Telling their fanbase "Piss on ya": Whitt 1, Bronco 0

Onside kicks with a 43-point lead: Whitt 1, Bronco 0

Getting shut out by the worst team in the league: Whitt 1, Bronco 0

I guess the numbers are about right for each guy -- they each are ahead in three categories.

You clearly do belong with the big boys!

I'm getting excited. I have really grown to love MWC football and am really looking forward to being able to view these games in CA on Direct TV. This conference and the WAC also, should simply be BCS conferences. Don't tell me some of the big boy leagues don't have their weak sisters too. If a league has three teams capable of crackig the top twenty-five in a given year, they belong. The MWC has Coaches, Whit, Mendenhall and Patterson doing amazing work with their programs (among others) and have rabid fan bases. I pull against the Coogs every week, but don't try to tell me that they aren't a proud, quality program with an excellent Head Coach. It never ceases to amaze me how many Ute and Cougar fans chant OVER-RATED, or disparage the records and acheivements of the other programs, then leap with joy when they've beaten that same opponent. If your opponent is overrated, isn't the logical conclusion that your team isn't all that good either? That they just happened to score more points than a team that wasn't really that good?

I'm sure Laugh a Minute did this for comedy sakes, but Whitt has not won any league championships as a head coach. What he did with Utah the latter half of the 2004 season while Meyer was lookiing all over the country for a new job, technically doesn't count.

While you're giving spelling lessons, try retaking that Math 99R class at the local CC. A grammar, spelling and punctuation refresher would also be helpful.

During the Mendenhall/Whittingham era, the correct record against BCS teams is:

BYU - 3-6
Utah - 4-4

Contrast that with their records against MWC teams (Whittingham lost as many conference games last season as Bronco has lost in the last 3 years):

BYU - 21-3
Utah - 14-10

Overall:

BYU - 28-10; 2 MWC championships; 2 top-25 finishes
Utah - 24-14

If you keep trying, you might be able to twist the numbers in some way to prove that Kyle has been more successful as a head coach than Bronco.

But Bob, BYU is OVERRATED! There program has never really done anything to brag about and there coach is a bland robot.

I will always desparage the record of BYU -- cause they are overrated!

I guarantee you this -- I will be the first one on the field this November to help tear down the goalposts if we are lucky enough to beat that overrated Team Down South again!

Correction:

League championships: Bronco 2, Kyle 0


Kyle is following in the proud tradition of most of the Utah football coaches over the last half century (except Urban) of NOT winning conference championships. So far:

Kyle:
2007: 3rd
2006: 3rd
2005: 4th (tie)

Bronco:
2007: 1st
2006: 1st
2005: 2nd (tie)

Kyle's best finish so far is not as good as Bronco's worst finish.

record against the kittens in provo this decade? Just curious.

Ute and cougar fans aside, do you realize how ridiculous it is to be arguing about who is playing the better I-AA team? It is ridiculous that either team is playing either of them. Both of them suck, and as a season ticket holder I wish they had someone else as I'm sure you do.

Doesn't matter Boise will roll anybody in the Mtn West.

Good for the TDS to finish in 2nd place back in 2005, especially with their pedestrian 6-6 record that year. The Utes were only 7-5.

Bronco is 2-1 against Whittingham. I don't see how 1 extra win exemplifies "dominance", especially if you consider the scores of those 3 games amounts to a difference of only 3-pts.

Don't forget...BYU has a better record against 1-AA opponents during the Whitt/Mendenhall era too:

BYU: 2-0
Utah: 1-0

Okay, so both teams average out to be batting a 1000 against lower tier schools, but BYU DOES have 1 extra win. DOMINATING!

Crowton is history. A new sheriff is in town. UNLV's record against Bronco is the only thing that's relevant.

Just curious, when was the last time Kyle was shutout by UNLV?

Boise State is desperately trying to abandon the WAC for the MWC.

Be careful what you wish for; BYU football is back and the Cougars would love to feast on a little bronco meat, after a little tenderizing.

BSU would be lucky to get through an MWC schedule with less than 3 losses.

Bronco 2-1 over Whit head to head is a trend.

Bronco 21-3 to Kyle's 14-10 in league is dominance.

What part of that is so hard to understand?

Your record is the only real gauge to how good a team/program/coach is. That's why they play the games.

But Utah is probably the best 14-10 league team over a three-year period in the nation!

In 2005, Bronco was rebuilding the BYU football program after Crowton had spent 4 years dismantling it.

Kyle was taking over a program that had just finished its greatest season in Utah football history.

And Bronco still finished ahead of Kyle in the conference race.

A 1-point loss to conference champion TCU (50-51), an overtime loss to Utah (34-41), and a 7-point loss to California (28-35), a team that had been ranked as high as 9th Coaches/10th AP in early October, all very winable games, were the difference between a 6-6 record and a 9-3 record.

Hero of Canton - what have we done in the last quarter century? 218-96-2. 14 Conference Championships. 1 National Championship. 15-10 against Utah. What have the Utes done? 170-123-1.
4 conference champions. 10-15 against BYU. Cmon man - admit it - BYU has the better program.

record vs. UNLV in provo, you know, at home? I know history is relevant to the kittens. Just curious.

who seem to be more incensed by "on-sides-gate" than Wyoming fans.