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cj or brewer | 3:10 p.m. July 22, 2008
I think it comes down to who you'd rather have, cj or brewer? That's
why I think you sign cj and let the two compete, if cj wins, brewer is a free
agent and won't have a hard time finding someone to employ him, if brewer
just has more to offer, he'll be getting the contract cj is getting now,
you hope that you can move cj. cj never really started playing until korver
came on board, since then, cj showed some consistency and he had flashes of
brilliance you haven't seen from korver, brewer, or harpring. When I saw
cj guarding kobe, it really looked like it messed with kbrat. harpring
can't guard the two. harpring isn't a commodity that teams want to
trade for. if cj is retained i do think there are teams willing to trade for
him. i'm not bashing harpring, i'm just saying i think the jazz would
benefit by giving cj more minutes, even at the expense of harpring. After
korver came on, cj was very productive when given playing time, very productive,
it makes me think he's ready to really compete for serious time.
korver is a keeper, no matter what.
korver is a keeper, no matter what.
Re: CJ supporters | 3:17 p.m. July 22, 2008
You're not factoring in the business side of the NBA. CJ has suggested he
hasn't played in the RMR because he wants the insurance of a stable
contract before he further risks bodily injury performing against unproven
commodities in the summer league. You, along with many others, misunderstand
that philosophy for a "poor work ethic," or an "unwillingness to
do what is necessary to improve himself." It's just a business decison
that happened to pay off handsomely for him and his future family.
As far as your argument about potential vs. performance. I'm sorry but potential is all we can go off of with CJ right now. Reality is, he hasn't received enough consistent playing time for anyone to label him a good, average, or mediocre player as of yet. By NBA standards 3.7 mil a year is a low risk option for OKC to find out if they can realize his potential. It's hard to believe the supporters when they say he'll be great when he leaves, but it's equally hard to believe his detractors when they say he'll amount to nothing. There are just too many unknowns to make any reasonable predictions about his future performance.
As far as your argument about potential vs. performance. I'm sorry but potential is all we can go off of with CJ right now. Reality is, he hasn't received enough consistent playing time for anyone to label him a good, average, or mediocre player as of yet. By NBA standards 3.7 mil a year is a low risk option for OKC to find out if they can realize his potential. It's hard to believe the supporters when they say he'll be great when he leaves, but it's equally hard to believe his detractors when they say he'll amount to nothing. There are just too many unknowns to make any reasonable predictions about his future performance.
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Snagger | 3:25 p.m. July 22, 2008
Peep's CJ is only 21. Some of you say he hasn't shown much in the time
that he has been here. Well young players are inconsistant. I feel like he is
ready to be consistant. If you look at what he did when Harpring, AK, and Brewer
were injured then that is a clear indication that he has become more consistant.
So we need to clear up cap space for the future? Lets See Harpring's time
is running out. AK's time is too. Almond isn't the player the jazz
thought he would be. CJ is further along and he is younger. As far as not coming
to the review.. He obviously knew something all of us including J slo
didn't know. OKC was going to offer him a deal. Who's to say that
something similar didn't almost happen last year? So to harp on him for
that is just dumb. He has to watch out for himself, and if his agent is telling
him there are teams interested and to sit out then that's what you do.
Anyone would do that! I think people are making to big of a deal out of that.
Including sloan!
almond or cj or brwer | 3:30 p.m. July 22, 2008
almond, cj, or brewer, the jazz have to be evaluating the three as the starting
two for now and the future, i ahven't seen almond play, so i can't
evaluate him-but if the jazz think the guy at the two is almond, cj is gone. i
have heard alot of good tings about almond, but i find it hard to believe he is
more athletic than cj. cj's quick man, and long.
between cj and brewer, i'd chose cj over brewer, not for right now, but for what cj will become. i don't think brewer is going to get much better than he was last year, not offensively, maybe he might get better on defense. cj has all kinds of room to grow.
but if they think the future is almond, it makes sense to let cj go, bring up almond, and let get some minutes at the end of the bench. it makes sense from a personnel stand point, and fiscally as well.
but if you're letting cj go because of money, i don't think it's a good decision, and will probably be one the jazz regret.
between cj and brewer, i'd chose cj over brewer, not for right now, but for what cj will become. i don't think brewer is going to get much better than he was last year, not offensively, maybe he might get better on defense. cj has all kinds of room to grow.
but if they think the future is almond, it makes sense to let cj go, bring up almond, and let get some minutes at the end of the bench. it makes sense from a personnel stand point, and fiscally as well.
but if you're letting cj go because of money, i don't think it's a good decision, and will probably be one the jazz regret.
cj needs time | 3:57 p.m. July 22, 2008
bottom line, cj needs lots of playing time to be good-it's easy for okc to
offer that contract because he'll get the playing time there.
if the jazz think he's the best among himself, almond, and brewer, you have to retain him, and give him playing time to develope.
i'd take dwill's word on this, we just know a little bit he said that was in the news, if i were the jazz i'd be interested in knowing who dwill would rather be playing with, who dwill thinks is worth the investment of time and money.
i want to know what dwill eats for breakfast, he's the man, but it's not as important as knowing what he thinks the jazz should do.
if the jazz think he's the best among himself, almond, and brewer, you have to retain him, and give him playing time to develope.
i'd take dwill's word on this, we just know a little bit he said that was in the news, if i were the jazz i'd be interested in knowing who dwill would rather be playing with, who dwill thinks is worth the investment of time and money.
i want to know what dwill eats for breakfast, he's the man, but it's not as important as knowing what he thinks the jazz should do.
Final 2 cents | 4:03 p.m. July 22, 2008
Regardless if Miles was right or wrong in skipping the RMR the last 2 years, it
seems to me that the Jazz coaching staff know what they're doing and if
they felt he should have participated then that's probably what he should
have done. I think he has only himself to blame for not getting more mintues in
Utah the last couple of seasons because he didn't take every opportunity to
develop as a player. If he leaves, I wish him well, but if he stays I hope he
can contribute.
Anonymous | 4:18 p.m. July 22, 2008
cj has no hart for our jazz just $$$$$$$
CLEM | 4:19 p.m. July 22, 2008
C.J.SUPP. AMEN,AMEN,
STEVE-O | 5:53 p.m. July 22, 2008
CJ has never learned one thing, and that's to give people what they want!
He knows who Sloan is, he knows what Sloan wants. However, he fails to show any
signs of passion and heart that Sloan has ALWAYS demanded from his players.
He's been wildy inconsistent and that is the reason he's gotten
inconsistent playing time. Say what you will about Matt Harpring but you can
never question his hard work and determination! He's had a successful
career when we look at his natural ability.
Is CJ going to base his success off of Money in the Bank, or how much work he put into the sport of Basketball? That's what he needs to figure out some day.
Is CJ going to base his success off of Money in the Bank, or how much work he put into the sport of Basketball? That's what he needs to figure out some day.
the time is now | 5:54 p.m. July 22, 2008
C.J. is a good example of what the league is turning into. they take kids out of
the cradle and give them some money and they never have to grow up. they've
never been forced to do anything but show some god given talent, so when the
going get's tough and they find out that there not the only one with
talent, they lay down and cry instead of working hard to be better they cry and
say "it's all because the coach don't like me and won't play
me"
RE: steve-o | 6:03 p.m. July 22, 2008
Boozer plays no defense yet gets plenty of playing time.
Go figure.
Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.
Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.
But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship.
Go figure.
Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.
Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.
But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship.
Prophet | 6:54 p.m. July 22, 2008
Last year in January I posted on this site that the Korver trade would end up
being one of the worst trades in recent Jazz history, because we were getting a
one dimensional offensive player for Giriceck, a second round pick and CJ
Miles.
Why CJ? Because Korver would stunt Brewers and doom CJ's develpement, and due to Korvers fat contract we would loose CJ. Everything I said has come to pass.
WAKE UP ODONNEL!! SIGN CJ and figure out a way to get rid of our bad contracts!!
Why CJ? Because Korver would stunt Brewers and doom CJ's develpement, and due to Korvers fat contract we would loose CJ. Everything I said has come to pass.
WAKE UP ODONNEL!! SIGN CJ and figure out a way to get rid of our bad contracts!!
Brettski | 8:15 p.m. July 22, 2008
Let Miles go pursue his dreams on a mediocre team at best. He's a decent
player, but he's dispensable. At best, use him for a sign and trade.
D, D | 8:22 p.m. July 22, 2008
The caliber of first string NBA players is very high. When the second stringers
go in at the end of a game or in garbage or cleanup time the caliber of ball
drops immensely. CJ played first string in the NBA, yes it was for a short
period of time (thanks Jerry) but he played there and performed at the
appropriate level.
Deron Williams has played every team in the league, has recently spent time across the desk form KOG and Deron says we need CJ. Jerry swallow your pride and let him play. When Deron was 21 as is CJ Jerry had him sitting as well. We bought CJ for his potential and when he is 23 as is Williams what type of player will he be? If walk away I think we will regret it, were he to have played in Phoenix the past 3 years he would be a league class shooter. Does anyone remember Raja Bell who used to shoot too much for Jerry? I would take Raja back as we are desperately looking for defense...Jerry would not. In this league 3.7 mill is not much for a player of his caliber.
Deron Williams has played every team in the league, has recently spent time across the desk form KOG and Deron says we need CJ. Jerry swallow your pride and let him play. When Deron was 21 as is CJ Jerry had him sitting as well. We bought CJ for his potential and when he is 23 as is Williams what type of player will he be? If walk away I think we will regret it, were he to have played in Phoenix the past 3 years he would be a league class shooter. Does anyone remember Raja Bell who used to shoot too much for Jerry? I would take Raja back as we are desperately looking for defense...Jerry would not. In this league 3.7 mill is not much for a player of his caliber.
Snagger | 10:43 p.m. July 22, 2008
"Boozer plays no defense yet gets plenty of playing time.
Go figure.
Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.
Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.
But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship."
This may have been the comment of the day. This and What the Prophet said about having someone playing in front of our young player and stunting there growth. Fisher was that player last year, and I still don't think CJ got a fair shake from sloan. WE saw it, Dwill saw it, and you would think sloan would get over CJ not playing in the RMR last year by the playoffs. But he still made a comment about it during the playoffs. Jerry you old fart get on your john deer and get over it. If a player is playing well play him. I love that about j slo. As soon as someone gets on a roll he pulls them. Got to stick to that stellar rotation.
Go figure.
Sloan seems wildly inconsisant on how he treats different players.
Keep CJ, brewer will never be the shooter you need at shooting guard to win a championship.
But then again sloan seem more concerned with winning a few extra regular season games than winning a championship."
This may have been the comment of the day. This and What the Prophet said about having someone playing in front of our young player and stunting there growth. Fisher was that player last year, and I still don't think CJ got a fair shake from sloan. WE saw it, Dwill saw it, and you would think sloan would get over CJ not playing in the RMR last year by the playoffs. But he still made a comment about it during the playoffs. Jerry you old fart get on your john deer and get over it. If a player is playing well play him. I love that about j slo. As soon as someone gets on a roll he pulls them. Got to stick to that stellar rotation.
david | 12:08 a.m. July 23, 2008
KOC , I can't take another year of watching Matt Humpring flopping around,
and missing easy layups because he can't jump anymore!!! Find some sucker
who will take Harpring this year or next with his expiring contract, but KEEP CJ
MILES!!! All of you who have said that he is lazy, do some research before you
open your pie holes, LEBRON JAMES said he though CJ was impressive (via D-will)
Anyone with real basketball intelligence can tell that CJ played well when he
got a chance last year.. One of Sloan's only weaknesses is relating,
motivating, and developing (playing time) the younger players. Brewer could have
contributed is rookie year, CJ could contribute, D-will could have contributed
earlier. He is too stubborn and it is keeping the Jazz from winning.. OK
that's my rant.
sparks24 | 4:16 a.m. July 23, 2008
If the Jazz let CJ go they will live to reget it. It will be viewed in 3 years
as the greatest mistake KOC could make. Listen to other players DWIll Is
telling you how could this kid is!!!!!
Snagger | 12:01 p.m. July 23, 2008
Hey Prophet who is ODONNEL? haha
Roger | 12:46 p.m. July 23, 2008
The question is this in 3 years who is the best player almond, korver, brewer or
CJ? No question it will be CJ Miles Jazz must match!!!!!
re: Roger | 4:49 p.m. July 23, 2008
Agreed...in 3 years lets hope the 2 guys left on the Jazz roster are Miles and
Brewer as they would be a great combination of offense/shooting and defense. For
those of you who don't actually watch the games or look at the numbers, CJ
outshot Korver this year: .479 vs .474 on FG and .390 vs .388 on 3's. It
isnt a big difference, but it shows what CJ is possible of doing as shooters
generally get better with more consistent playing time.
Snagger | 6:56 p.m. July 23, 2008
Just had to chime in on one thing. I think Brewer is overrated as a Defender.
There I said it. He is a good off the ball defender, but man on man defender no.
He doesn't have the killer instinct you need. KOBE lights him up for 50 and
the dude is in asking for his autograph after the game. Take some pride in
getting lit up. Do what Raja would do. haha. Maybe not that far, but there is no
way Bruce bowen, James Posey, and Ray Allen are that much more athletic then
Brewer is. Especially Bowen. Yet they held KOBE in check for the most part.
I've just rewatched some games and watched what he was doing on D and his
one on one D was below par. Lets all face it D is all about desire and effort
and there were a lot of time in the playoffs the effort wasn't there.
Bohica baby!
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He may have been a 3 year investment but so are a lot of other players for other teams. It really comes down to fit and money. Utah is loaded at CJs position and needs help in other positions. It is far better for Utah to spend 4 mil on renting a player they really need for a year.
This year may be the best shot Utah has at a title and they need to take it. CJ is replaceable in both the short and long run.