Deseret News | Reader comments: Coalition plans new tactics in illegals debate

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Coalition plans new tactics in illegals debate

Bob G | 5:50 a.m. July 13, 2008

Only in Utah would we have elected government officials looking for ways to aid and abet and harbour illegal foreign nationals so they can victimize the american people. As an american I am tired of these illegal mexican's and their gangs of crimials actively and openly walking and trrorizing our neighborhoods. Our elected government officials are actively supporting and allowing businesses to go outside the laws to employ illegal aliens. Our elected government officials are encourgaing illegals to kill us, rob us, and destroy any social programs meant for citizens of Utah. Our elected government officials in Utah should be looking for ways to help the federal government in deporting and discouraging the employment of illegals in Utah, not ways to hide them and give them illegal jobs. I am tired of having to support illegals in education and lose education opportunities because of the illegals in our schools. I am tired of illegals getting represention to subvert and disrupt our legal and constitutional system of government. This coalition should not exist and our governor should be hiding in shame as an activist against our constitution that he swore in his oath of office to protect and defend.

Utah Resident | 7:24 a.m. July 13, 2008

Shame on Governor Huntsman, Attorney General Mark Shurtleff, and Utah lawmakers for allowing Utah to become a sanctuary State for illegals.

We are a nation of laws and those that have NO respect for our laws and come here illegally should be deported!

sosueme | 8:58 a.m. July 13, 2008

Remember utah this is an election year, those we put into office who do not represent us we can and will fire. Use the power of your votes and remember the machines are rigged so demand the paper ballot and volunteer at your local precinct to help count the votes this year we will not have any cheating cause we the people are watching real close.

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jim | 9:45 a.m. July 13, 2008

last summer the attorney general gave a talk up at the varsity big event(a scout gathering) and he talked about camelot and how we need to obey the law. I quess those speeches dont apply in real life.

Patriot | 10:26 a.m. July 13, 2008

Utah,

Wake up and smell the appeasers of illegals you think are so great. Gov. Huntsman, Shurtleff and Rep. Dew are all great big traitors to their oath of office. These men openly appease, support and abett illegals and their supporters.

You must do a little homework and and look beyond the surface to see who the enemy of your state and nations sovereignty really are. Take these people out in the primaries and the state convention. Chris Cannon was first now let's not make him the last.

How much longer can we stand being a sanctuary state for illegal foreign invaders who destroy our borders, language and culture by violating the law and refusing to assimilate and who expect to have the privileges of citizens and legal immigrants. Join Numbers USA and make an impact on this nations future. Time is running out before the numbers will be too great to stop the flood.

Migra man | 10:48 a.m. July 13, 2008

Mano dura contra los ilegales. Enforce the law like never before, get this crisis under control, and then show mercy where needed, not the other way around. People demand action and the policians who go against the public's overall consensus will pay for it at the polls.

RobinH | 3:20 p.m. July 13, 2008

To legislate privileges in regard to college tuition, grants, etc for illegal aliens is discrimination. Follow how all lawmakers VOTE and any and all lawmakers advocating and voting on behalf of illegal aliens - VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.

nancy | 4:18 p.m. July 13, 2008

Look at California to see what Utah is heading toward if we continue to pander to illegals. Vote out the people who pretend to represent you. La Raza is rich and can buy the votes of the politicians. But we can vote for the rule of law. Please....no more cities like Los Angeles here.

Evert | 4:25 p.m. July 13, 2008

On July 4th while in a parade we noticed markedly MORE applause from Hispanics then from others - there is no way no one would not know that our float was against ILLEGAL immigration and it was the second year for us in the parade. The mainstream media wants everyone to believe that ALL Hispanics support illegal aliens - based on the response, as usual the MSM is wrong!! Do NOT buy their hype!! Continue to fight to have our immigration laws enforced and demand armed military be deployed on all our borders.

Anonymous | 4:35 p.m. July 13, 2008

We must fight to enforce our rule of law or lose our law, which produces anarchy. If there is any doubt, take a look at what has happened to Los Angeles. Is Utah far behind?

Legal Immigrant | 5:49 p.m. July 13, 2008

Furthermore we need to promote and support grand theft auto, bank robbery, rape of a child, drug trafficing and assault on a peace officer. They are also illegal, aren't they..?

Anarchy | 6:35 p.m. July 13, 2008

Is the underling message of these groups. WHy have law, let's just let anyone into the United States...if that measure turns us into a third world nation like the ones these people fled from...so be it. Out constitution means nothing anymore, the men who died to defend this country have the graves trample on everytime a Tony Yapias opens up his mouth. These advocates rally for the parasites of the world...those who refuse to fight for their own country, but refuse allegiance to ours with all that they get from us. These ilelgals are cowards who refuse to do what our forefathers did to make our country as great as it once was. We fought tyranny, illegals scurry from it. And all we do is sit back and let ILLEGAL ALIENS dictate to us THEIR RIGHTS!. We can only hope for a revolution to return this country from this blantant subversion of our laws.

jwr | 7:08 p.m. July 13, 2008

When you come across the border without documentation you are not an immigrant, you are an illegal alien - what is the problem that we keep studion illegal immigration, lets call it what is really is. The new slave market of America and Utah has given its blessing to this market

From Pres Romney | 7:12 p.m. July 13, 2008

When the ï¿½rule of lawï¿½ breaks down in a family, a community, a state, or a nation, chaos reigns.

The kingdoms of heaven are to be free from chaos, because no one will be in any one of them who does not by his own free will obey the laws thereof.

A Latter-day Saint should strictly obey every law of God, including the constitutional laws of the land in which he lives, and do it with a good and honest heart.

Marion G. Romney, ï¿½The Rule of Law,ï¿½ Ensign, Feb. 1973

From Pres Monson | 7:13 p.m. July 13, 2008

Let us not overlook obedience to the laws of the land. They do not restrict our conduct so much as they guarantee our freedom, provide us protection, and safeguard all that is dear to us.

In our time, when otherwise honorable men bend the law, twist the law, and wink at violations of the law, when crime goes unpunished, legally imposed sentences go unserved, and irresponsible and illegal conduct soars beyond previously recorded heights, there is a very real need to return to the basic justice that the laws provide when honest men sustain them.
Ensign, March 1988

A Taxing question for illegals | 7:17 p.m. July 13, 2008

A member who refuses to file a tax return, to pay required income taxes, or to comply with a final judgment in a tax case is in direct conflict with the law and with the teachings of the Church. Such a member may be ineligible for a temple recommend and should not be called to a position of principal responsibility in the Church. A member who is convicted of willfully violating tax laws should be the subject of Church discipline to the extent warranted by the circumstances.
ï¿½News of the Church,ï¿½ Ensign, Mar. 1994

Bobby | 7:34 p.m. July 13, 2008

Americans in state after state, are being disrespected, denigrated, and pushed around by people who have absolutely no business being in this nation. And they are being helped in their denigration of Americans, by politicians and racist RAZA groups that have infested the United States of America.

Diane | 7:57 p.m. July 13, 2008

It would help if the reporter understood the difference between ï¿½immigrantsï¿½ and ï¿½illegal aliensï¿½. Immigrants are present in our country legally; illegal aliens are not.

The article appears to be a promotion of Socialism; social services, paid for by American citizens, for illegal aliens. This concept is totally unacceptable. Should these people want ï¿½access to legal and viable work, health and human servicesï¿½ they should feel free to run, not walk, back to where they came from and petition their own government to address their wants and needs. While this American Dream Coalition prefers to tout the ï¿½central importance of familyï¿½, they prefer to ignore the fact that illegal aliens have, themselves, fractured their families through their choice to leave their homeland and enter our country illegally. There is no moral imperative requiring United States citizens to shoulder the financial burden of educating, and providing social services to every foreign national and/or his/her offspring. Neither is there any moral imperative requiring the U.S. to bestow citizenship on everyone and anyone; nor to allow entry to everyone to gain benefit for themselves at our expense. Also, having newspaper reporters (and politicians) who understand ï¿½illegalï¿½ would help.

Bonnie | 8:47 p.m. July 13, 2008

Due to lax immigration enforcement we now have at least 30 million illegal aliens in the U.S.!
Are there still Americans alive that know how wonderful it was to live in the U.S. without millions of invaders present?
Not as much crime, political division, graffiti, gangs, and millions taken from U.S. citizens for social services. Most people in the U.S. spoke English and we didn't have the NCLR as a nuisance in our midst.
People of Utah FIGHT BACK!

Rick b. | 9:38 p.m. July 13, 2008

The problem here is that these public officials are committing treason. Any public official who tries to undermine the country that he/ she swore allegiance to, is committing treason.
Aiding & abetting illegal alien trespassers is unlawful, it is a crime.

These panderers are confused, they claim illegal immigration is a federal issue, they are wrong.
Would these same do gooders try to ignore the Civil Rights Act... which is Federal Law also? I don't think so.
Show some compassion and Hold these officials accountable, so they won't have to be hanged for treason, which is the prescribed punishment for engaging in this crime.

Rick b.

Knight777 | 9:46 p.m. July 13, 2008

Your battle in Utah is what is happening in Minnesota. We,the people want immigation laws to be enforced at all levels of government, legal systems, and society. But the liberals in the "Second Socialist Republic of Russia" (Minnesota)ignore our governor and our demands. Our Amerian governments and systems have fallen into elitism and live on wealth and power. What is it going to take to save America??

Walt Nicholes | 10:07 p.m. July 13, 2008

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law - Mostly.

If a person enters the united states without proper documentation they are violating the law.

If a person gets a job using the Social Security Number of another person they are committing an act of fraud - a felony.

If a person gets a driver's license using false information they they have sworn a false oath.

In how many other ways is it necessary to document that some of us (Latter-Day Saints who enter the US illegally and these other things) do NOT believe in honoring or sustaining the law.

I wonder if the opportunity to preach the gospel to these who sneak into our land should be seen as justly offsetting their illegal behavior? Does it offset their illegal employment status? What is the worth of an illegal soul?

levotb | 2:10 a.m. July 14, 2008

Can Utahans recall or impeach Gov. Huntsman? If allowable, I strongly recommend it. We did it in CA when the Socialist governor was about to give illegal aliens driver's licenses.

Jay | 6:28 a.m. July 14, 2008

ILLEGAL means ILLEGAL!!! Illinois is a sanctuary state. Citizen taxes supply education, medical care, special programs, Spanish as a 1st language & etc. No single language teachers are being hired in urban communities. Police in Illinois are not allowed to ask the legal status of residents, we have rampant violations of our traffic laws, domestic abuse is up, rape is up, public intoxication is up. The Democrats (and me too RINOs) in Illinois are totally out of control as they run our state into the ground to pay for illegal alien benefits. Considered to be "the worst state government in the US". Does Utah wish to take on that role? Does it give you hope that both major party candidates campaign in Mexico to be our President? that both address La Raza's convention? Will the new President implement third world laws to support the decline of our great nation? Get up and make yourself heard, be louder than the illegal supporters, support and vote for those who would stop the invasion!

wwjd | 8:10 a.m. July 14, 2008

Why all the hate? Is Utah not a Christian state?

People are coming here because their children are starving. Even the LDS church allows full fellowship for those without paperwork. Are we all not immigrants or descendants of immigrants, except of course the Native Americans? Were the pilgrims legal immigrants?

What we have is a broken system. If we deported millions of illegals our economy would collapse. What we need is immigration reform, a system that really works. Both John McCain and President Bush support such reform because they are from border states, they get it.

As an anglo-multigenerational American, I would just like to see less hate and more civility.

Claire | 10:18 a.m. July 14, 2008

In response to : "Why all the hate? Is Utah not a Christian state?"

It is not about hate; it about the rule of law.

As for being a Christian state, how about asking the question "What would Jesus do?"

To which I believe the answer would be: Jesus would obey the law.

And yes, the majority of us are in this country because of immigration -- but this is the year 2008, not 1908, not 1808 -- we need to take a hard look at the realities of TODAY and what our current immigration and population policies are doing to this country.

I, for one, do not believe that immigration continues to be of benefit to this country.

Nick | 1:23 p.m. July 14, 2008

Claire: Jesus broke the law countless times. Why was he crucified in the first place? Was he not on the cross among thieves? Jesus may not support breaking the law, but when there is an unjust law, the best form of protest would be to break it peacefully; Jesus knew that.

In fact, immigration is of net benefit to the US (I'll let you google that, DN won't let me post URLs).

And furthermore, who are you to deny entry to human beings who may perhaps not pay the same amount of taxes (although USAToday says otherwise); but certainly deserve the dignity of staying with their families, in their homes, and keeping their property. At their cores, illegals are the same as natives, discrimination against birthplace is not something Jesus taught.

A capricious recall against people YOU VOTED FOR is not the answer. In the legal system, they say "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". Same goes here, if you can't tolerate it when somebody doesn't vote the way you want them to, don't vote for them in the first place, and take responsibility when they turn their backs to your xenophobic ideas.

Nancy | 3:08 p.m. July 14, 2008

Jesus NEVER broke the law! In fact he even paid HIS TAXES unlike the rich and the lawless!!! BOYCOTT BANK OF AMERICA: Supporting lawlessness by supporting lawbreaking illegals!!!!!!!!!!

Claire | 3:51 p.m. July 14, 2008

Looks like Nick is a bit Bibically challenged.

Jesus was not crucified because he was a thief.

Jesus broke NO laws -- EVER -- he was without sin.

Jesus was God, come to earth in human form, and he died for the sins of mankind.

Also, under the laws of those days, his "trial" was not legal.

As for peaceful protest, Jesus never did anything of the kind; in fact, Jesus never really involved himself in the workings of the government -- his concern was the spiritual salvation of each and everyone of us -- past, present, and future.

Maybe if Nick really knew what is in the bible and studied Bibical truth, he would know about "righteous anger" -- something Jesus showed to the money-changers in the temple.

Something we need to show to all the undocumented foreign nationals breaking our laws, and making a laughing stock of this nation on a global level.

And I will stand by my original statement: immigration no longer continues to be of benefit to this country.

Nick | 4:34 p.m. July 14, 2008

Claire you need to calm down and stop with the indirect insults.

Luke 23:33 (KJV) "[...] there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left."

Malefactors is believed by most to mean thieves in this passage; the NIV uses "criminals". As I said before Jesus was "on the cross AMONG thieves". I never said Jesus himself was a thief. Though he did break the law as John 18:30 says, "They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee."

There's a difference between law and sin, Claire. Breaking God's Law is sin, breaking man's law is crime. Committing crime isn't necessarily sinful. Jesus broke many social traditions; in Biblical times Crucifixion was reserved for political sedition. If Jesus was only concerned about spirituality, he would not have preached social change.

But let's stay off theology; breaking the law is necessary for change, MLK for example broke many laws. Immigration boils down to a rights issue--the right of human beings to be treated as people if they treat society as the rest of its inhabitants do.

Nick | 4:49 p.m. July 14, 2008

I won't argue theology with you, Claire; that is far off topic (but rest assured, I did have a reply typed up with quotations and all). But who knows, perhaps if you avoided indirect insults you could get somewhere with your theological arguments.

Let's start with the fundamentals: Do immigrants contribute their fair share to society? A recent study in Arkansas said that immigrants contribute more in sales taxes than they take in social services. Even if we can't project that to the rest of the nation, let's assume that immigrants *almost* pay their fair share in taxes on a state basis (federally the situation could be different, but since we're talking about Utah, I'll stay at the state level). Inflation is a massive destroyer of business and investment in America, and it has been proven that illegals stabilize that. The current "recession" would be far, far worse if the US decided to export all of its inflation-decreasing illegals. Your retirement depends on these workers.

I have proven how illegals are of benefit economically, it looks like I can rationally "stand by my original statement", while you need to show me how they're bad for the US.

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