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Pac-10 will snub BYU, Utah

I am tired of hearing about the expansion ideas of Pac 10. There are good teams in this region of the country. Everyone is so wrapped around trying to get into the BCS there is very little talk of making this conference better than the Pac 10. I think, best case scenario, the MWC should expand to Fresno St., Boise St., Nevada, New Mexico St. and concentrate itself on making this region good.

I think that BYU and Utah would actually help the PAC 10 to gain respect for the east coast media mongrols. BYU is well respected (for the most part) they do have a national championship in football and are returning to the national scenes again. Utah brings in a good football program but their strong point is the basketball program although they are in a rebuilding stage right now. Weak points- BYU is not considered a research institution since they focus mainly on undergraduate studies. Utah does not have a good reputation for game attendance especially on the road. BYU needs to win some NCAA tournament games in BBall. Utah needs to become more consistent in football. One good season doesn't mean a whole lot.

This is an old, old, old, old, old story which we've heard before -- 5 times a year, every year.

Harmon: I am glad and disappointed you brought this up. I am glad you did so that folks will stop thinking that it is going to happen. I am disappointed because those in the bubble we call the Wasatch Front will start talking about it again. Whether it happens or (most likely) not, we need to focus on making our own teams and our crappy conference better rather than squeaking by against unranked teams in our mediocre bowl games.

Well, my insomnia is gone. All the U and Y fans can go back to calling each other names instead of putting in an honest day's work. Yeah, yeah, zoob, yewt, 4 and 18, 34-31, TDS and pumping gas, whatever. I hope you all get diarrhea.

Go Utes!

Who cares? The Pac-10 is only about themselves. Give BYU or Utah the same dollars and they will fare very well against the p-10. They don't want to spread around the money and they are afraid of additional competition.

I have to laugh at the fact that some people actually believe that Utah and BYU would actually make good additions to the Pac 10. You guys play in a crappy conference full of crappy teams. I really enjoy reading these comments after articles here on desnews.com. Especially byu comments. Heck, now that you have Riley Nelson (he'll definitely be better than that Tebow guy) on your team I have you playing for the national championship for at least three years.... keep dreaming. Enjoy playing in the JV games while real conferences keep playing in the games that get noticed and watched cough cough the mountain.

So the members of the PAC 10 are just selfish and greedy because they won't let BYU and Utah in? Sort of like the Mountain West and Utah State, I guess.

The PAC 10 is a private organization. They can let in anybody they want.

BYU and Utah aren't even on the Pacific Coast... They don't fit the conference name anyway.

BCS has got to go... that's the thing that blocks other colleges like BYU, UNLV, and other mid-levels not getting a fair chance to a bowl such as Rose Bowl. Turn it into a playoff-berth playoffs. That way, everyone will truly get a fair chance for every sports championship, especially Final Four! Did you see how the fans react to Final Four? A lot bigger audience than bowl games!

Please neither school is deserving of PAC-10 status. Both schools are relatively weak and would not add aything to the conference. Stick in the Mountain West where you can play on the Mountain.

start beating pac 10 teams on a regular basis
then who cares what they think of themselves

We don't need the stinkin' Pac 10. GO MWC.

It's entirely about money and successful programs. Both BYU and Utah do an amazing job with the limited budget they have to work with. But why would the monopolistic BCS be motivated to share any of the hog trough with the "mid-major" schools. Just getting them to allow ONE non-BCS school to crash their big party each year took a fantastic effort -- owed in large part to the thrashing Utah gave Big Least conference Pitt.

Bottom line is $$$. What's fair, what's in the best interest of the student athletes, takes a back seat to pulling down the big bucks for the BCS.

whether they make good additions or not I would much rather have USC, Oregon, UCLA, Washington, etc.... coming to town every other year than wyoming sdsu csu unm etc......Like harmon said they would make better additions than Oregon State or Washington State.

The Big 12 would be a much better and more lucrative conference to join than the Pac 10. BYU needs to set it's sights on the Big 12.

The ONLY good thing about joining the Pac-10 would be taking advantage of their HOMER, corrupt referees (you know, the ones that travel with the team)!

What a loser.

Stupid argument.

When did Arizona move to the Pacific Coast? Or, San Diego St. or TCU to the Rocky Mountains?

If every conference required the unanimous vote of every member to admit a new team especially an "upstart wishing to go uptown," there wouldn't be ay more expansion or rearrangement period.
In 1976 the PAC-8 cheery picked the WAC for ASU and UA although they were after ASU solely and had to take UA to make it work. Then in the late 80's they made an offer to Texas and Colorado somehow thinking that they were such a great and gloried bunch that teams would leave their current conference and geographical areas. I spoke with a former AD and a former ASU president, (Coors) who told me that the conference didn't see either BYU or Utah as fitting the academic and research models the PAC-10 represents. (Don't argue with me, I didn't say it.) Secondly, why admit schools with a small TV market or why admit both BYU and Utah when they get the audience with BYU alone? Then you get the argument of further splitting the bowl monies. All current teams can go bowling if they have 6 wins, you don't increase the bowl income from adding new members.

BYU will never be admitted to the Pac-10. They are known only as a undergrad school, not good enough academically at the graduate level/research etc...which the PAC 10 requires. Utah however would make it in. Im a fan of neither teams, but yes they are good enough to compete, esp football.