I think team bonding, learning discipline and respect are things most high
school boys' teams definately benefit from learning. However, I'm
glad my boys are almost done with high school and their football playing days.
Not because I haven't thoroughly enjoyed it, but because gradually high school
football is becoming like basketball and baseball - year round. Those sports
require year long commitments and lots more money. And where does your family
time go? Yeah, I know, taking trips to tournaments, 7 on 7's, camps
and competitions can be made into family time, but it's also expensive and the
siblings that aren't playing can't do "their" sport while you're away in
Timbuctoo. I miss the days when kids worked at home or on a job and
learned team spirit, respect, and worked hard enough to build muscle. When
parents challenged their kids so they didn't get out of shape. Now it seems we
parents opt out of our responsibilities, pay a "professional," dream of D-1
glory and pray for perfection. It's sure a different world than it used to be
and I'm not sure it's better.However, congrats to the kids who do
learn these lessons. You'll certainly benefit!
Your right football has turned into a year long sport and some of the players I
know absolutly hate it!. They will be glad when football is done too. It's sad
that coaches will turn something enjoyable into something that is dreaded
Nothing like turning sports into a 9-5 job. I don't think we are too far from a
Capitalism version of the old Soviet Union sports system. Kids sports are so
specialized these days they can't appreciate the other sports that are out there
for them. All these programs churn out are more ME ME ME thinking
from our youth, who already are self-absorbed and think the world is centered
around them. No wonder the American dream is failing. Kids never learn the
real skills the will help them make it in the world. They can bench press 450
lbs and run a west coast offense but couldn't turn around and tell you where
Iraq is on a map. America's obsession with sports in going to be its downfall.
I am a high school athlete and any sport requires you to stay in shape. I
understand that kids need to appreciate other things in life, but most families
are gone at work till 5 or 6 at night. What should these kids do? Go home and
watch TV? The kids are benefitting from working out after school. The majority
of America is getting more and more lazy. Tht fact that kids are being fit is
something to be proud of. I understand that America is dedicated to sports
and it has taken away from othere aspects of life. Many states force players to
be academically competant. I am a 4.0 student and tutor players that need help.
It frustrates me that the public sees football players and idiots. Trust me that
is not the case
It amazes me how some people in this community can take a simple positive,
uplifting article about local kids who are working on improving themselves &
turn it into a forum for complaints. Complaints about sports, about our
education system (our kids can't point to Iraq on a map? - my kids can!), about
partents involvement in their kids lives, about parents NON-involvement in their
kids lives.. & that was only in the first 3 posts!! What is wrong with kids
dreaming of going to a D-1 school & what is wrong with sports being an avenue to
help them achieve that dream? Yes, it takes a toll on siblings, parents, &
family time, but ultimately if it can help a kid who otherwise wouldn't have the
opportunity to go to college & earn a degree, why all the complaints? Certainly
it is better having them go to an after school or summer school program
vs.having them just hanging out with friends, watching tv or getting into
trouble. Often we hear the complaint that the news only reports on the negative
- from the comments above it seems like that is what we want. That is the sad
Let's see if this "Discipline" learned from the martial arts class helps
Cottonwood's head coach Cecil Thomas. If anyone needed this training in
Cottonwood's football program it is him. He was one of the few football coaches
last year that had to be ejected from a game.
To all parents, take it easy it's still a game. It is not life or death. As a
coach 99% of these kids will never ever play one down of college football. So
let them enjoy the sport, and if they want to make it a 9 to 5 job let them.
After H.S. they will be just like everyone else. Time to go to camp God bless
Being ejected from a game is not the worst thing in the world. Cecil was ejected
because he stood up for what he thought was right-he is all about the kids. Give
the guy a break!!! You have to know the man before you can judge him. Walk a
season in the shoes of any ooach. They coach because they love the sport, it is
NOT about the money. If you figured in the time spent coaching and the moeny
paid it would probably amount to just a few cents on the hour. Come on people,
there are more serious things to worry about in this world. Keeping kids busy
and in shape---it is all good.
How about assertively communicating with the referees in a non-threatening way?
Coaches' ultimate responsibility is to be a model for the student-athletes in
their program. How does getting ejected from a game translate to the real
world? Let's see, how about getting fired from your job for blowing up on
someone because things didn't go your way? That's how.
We saw how two players from Cottonwood, got ejected from the 5a vs 4a game.
This is what they learned and I hope the Cottonwood and Timpview kids play fair
this year.... NO CHEAP SHOTS.
Good job Coach. Cottonwood has been an undisciplined team in the past. I'm
glad you are finding creative was to add more descipline to your program.
His "ejection" was improperly called and it was later reversed after game. (even
his "ejection" was for another coach getting called) Cecil never got a
penalty.He was later suspended for comments made to a SL Trib.
reporter. SO, there are 2 lessons there.1) sometimes
what seems to be, isn't2) Never talk to a reporter that thinks he's the
next coming of Woodward & Bernstein. Because even if you don't say much they
will turn it into something major.
So, according to Shaking my Head, we need these extra programs so our kids don't
"go to an after school or summer school program vs.having them just hanging out
with friends, watching tv or getting into trouble." This is another
example of parenting gone wrong! Don't enroll your kids in every program you
can find or buy into the "fact" that kids need to do something every minute of
every day. A parent should supervise their kids, we shouldn't just pay someone
to do that job for us! If kids get into trouble because they have too much free
time, then teach them to work!This program sounds like a good one
and is teaching the boys things they need to know, but I agree with Good and
Bad. I remember the days when we learned discipline from our parents, team play
because we were expected to get along with our siblings, got stronger in the off
season because we might actually have had to use a tool around the garden or
yard and held jobs in the summer. Too bad that old-fashioned stuff isn't
Yes sports are moving in the direction of year around programs mostly to stay
ahead of the next program or what they believe the next program is doing. We
have truley forgotten as parents that we trained all year around as athletes in
high school only what most of us did it in a way to that helped out our school's
athletic programs more then most of these private clubs or weight training
programs do today. An example from my days was Hillcrests all-star athlete Marty
Haws who played football, basketball and ran track thus keeping his athletic
edge, conditioning and getting competition. We tryed out for several different
teams in high school and participated all year around in one sport or another.
Thus we were year around athletes and we even spent time with our families. But
I believed we help ours schools to be that much better.
What would Marty's son being doing today?If it was so good "back
then"?While it saddens me to see the demise of the 3 sport athlete,
I see it as more kids actually PLAYING for their HS (instead of the same group
of kids being THE team for every season). ACTUALLY, all this
specialization has increased the amount of involvement as kids focus on one
Where do teams like Bountiful and Skyline take their players every year to get
them disciplined. I've never heard. I could only assume that those kids have
so much respect for their coaches that discipline isn't much of a problem
internally. Coaches like Cottonwood's NEED to turn to someone else to teach his
players discipline because he's not cut out for that role.
For a few years now, Duchesne H.S. and Grand County H.S. have held week long
summer camps together. Duchesne would always come down and visit and camp in
really a classroom, and then all day in the southern heat it was lifting
weights, running plays and scrimmaging. By weeks end, both teams would come to
know each other very well. On the last day, it would be GCHS v. DHS, since we
would not play each other in the season or even tourneys since our
classifications separate us. These summer workouts are a plus! These athletes
are staying fit, learning leadership, and steppin it up. If 5A/4A teams acted
like those of 1,2,3 A teams and played for more than themselves. Not only would
they be good players and a good team, but an all around good person with good
traits. Small schools, my hats to you!
I think they turn to drugs not martial arts
What a joke...if you don't join in the off season programs you will be relagated
to mop up duty or shifted to second or third string. For xeample Brock Whitney
at Bingham and Justin Campbell at Alta. Two total studs who were shot down by
coaches who didn't like the fact that these boys preferred baseball to football
and didn't have the time to do all the summer football crap. High school
coaches are the dumbest lot I've ever seen.
You have hit the nail on the head. Year-round football (basketball and baseball
as well) has turned off many talented athletes and made them pick one. Soccer is
the worst. No comp soccer at age 5 and you won't get scholarship. At Bingham and
Alta, there are many other good athletes to take their place but Whitney and
Campbell were and will be missed.