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Hypocrite | 10:38 a.m. July 5, 2008

"Worry about your own team and not what BYU did 24 years ago."

...said the coug fan on a Utah article. And don't try to come back with, "...but I'm a Ute alum" because I don't think so. The fans from the TDS has proven time and time again their propensity to misrepresent themselves on the internet. Our alumni don't refer to ourselves as "Losers", nor do we refer to ourselves in the 3rd person, such as, "...and then what will Ute fans have to brag about?" That's what a cougar would say. A Ute would say, "...and then what will WE have to brag about?".

GO UTES!!!

re:re: re:1984 | 12:32 a.m. | 11:39 a.m. July 5, 2008

"BYU's "NC" trophy, back in '84, will always carry an asterick."

I saw the trophy, but somehow missed that asterick. Actually, it's quite shiney and nice.

"By those standards, the Utes would have won a share of the 2004 National Champion title, and Boise St. a share of the one in 2006."

Not really, because BYU's 1984 team that year was a better team, and call #3 "overated", but that is a #3 team.

"It's easy to be undefeated at the end of the year"

Is that why there are so many teams that go undefeated? And you missed a WAC powerhouse they beat that year... Utah.

"BYU's last Doak Walker and Heisman winners were both NFL busts."

That would matter if NCAA recognitions were based upon how well you did in the NFL. BTW, Detmer spent 14 years backing up Favre, Young, and mentoring Peete and Couch, who at the time were sure thing NFL prospects.

The Utes have never placed any of those trophies in their trophy case. Even Utah State has more National awards... Merlin Olsen won the Outland.

Utah, and their third place MWC championship is an irrelevant little brother to the Big Boys, WANNABES.

Hold the Phone | 12:33 p.m. July 5, 2008

To Utah fans:
If BYU's program is as bad as you say it is, why do you seem so well-versed in it? By researching it as much as you do, don't you admit that there is some legitimacy to research, and thus that BYU has a strong program?

In other words, why do you research it so much if we're so bad?

To ALL fans (BYU AND Utah):
Let's be realistic. Both BYU and Utah will have excellent teams this year. Just about every expert says that they each have a chance to go undefeated and crack into a BCS bowl game. Utah fans: Stop saying BYU sucks, because everybody knows they will have an excellent team this year (if that's not true, find me ONE expert who says otherwise). BYU fans: Stop saying Utah sucks, because everybody knows they will have an excellent team this year as well (again, if that's not true, find me ONE expert who says otherwise.)

Everybody knows both teams have a lot of history, and a lot of talent coming back this year. Let's hope Utah does beat Michigan to earn some respect for the MWC. Looking forward to the game on the 22nd.

Comments continue below

I said.... | 12:49 p.m. July 5, 2008

re: re:re: re:1984 | 12:32 a.m. | 11:39 a.m.

....it's easy to be undefeated at the end of the year WHEN PLAYING A SOFT SCHEDULE. If you try quoting me out of context, you only sound like a Karl Rove wannabee. And a 3-7-1 team is MOST DEFINITELY NOT a #3 team.

In the 80s, the Utes were not a powerhouse team. That's yet ANOTHER point as to the illegitimacy of your NC. How did you only beat us by 10...especially w/ the Y's propensity to run up the score.

I said other things too, but the censors on this thread decided to omit them. I'll try again later.

re: Hold the Phone | 12:53 p.m. July 5, 2008

"If BYU's program is as bad as you say it is, why do you seem so well-versed in it? By researching it as much as you do, don't you admit that there is some legitimacy to research, and thus that BYU has a strong program?"

I can't speak for other Ute posters, but the reason I know all that stuff about the '84 cougars is because I was alive at that time. I didn't need to research anything. I also knew about the '84 Panthers and they were 3-7-1. Nothing legitimate there.

1984 | 12:55 p.m. July 5, 2008

Cougar fans can always point to their trophy and say ï¿½scoreboardï¿½, but itï¿½s obvious their intent is to gain a little respect and recognition. Not dispute whether or not the trophy is in their case. The problem Cougar fans will always faceï¿½the gist of what it is that they ï¿½just donï¿½t getï¿½ï¿½is that the title wasnï¿½t EARNED! Would the ï¿½97 Nebraska team have shared the NC title with Michigan if they had needed a 4th Qtr rally to beat a 6-5 team in their bowl game, since they shared the ï¿½best recordï¿½? NO! Good thing BYU had the ONLY undefeated season. The ï¿½04 Utah team had to share that undefeated position with USC and Auburn. We all saw what happened to the ï¿½07 undefeated Hawaiï¿½i team in THEIR bowl game when playing somebody better than 6-5 after a soft season. At least the ï¿½04 Utes played Texas A&M (Cotton Bowl), and the only 6-5 bowl team on their schedule was a 30 pt drubbing of the ACCï¿½s No. Carolina.

re:1984 | 12:32 a.m. | 1:18 p.m. July 5, 2008

The ï¿½04 Pitt team was ranked #19, not #20, and no 4th Qtr rally was necessary for the Utes to put them away. The Utah team was only ranked #6 in the BCS standings. They actually finished the season #4 and #5 in the AP and Coaches poll. The Utesï¿½ 14 pt victory over Air Force was the only game played without a 3 score cushion, and unlike the ï¿½84 cougs, the starters didnï¿½t stay in the whole game. The Utes even played a 17-yr old true freshman at QB at times over half of the season.

Oh, and there are two ï¿½rï¿½s in ï¿½embarassï¿½. You embarrass yourself.

Tyler | 9:15 p.m. July 5, 2008

BYU has beat all these teams since 1980. UCLA 2, Oregon 3, Washington , Wash St 2, Cal 2, Miami, Penn State, Texas A&M 2, colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Ariz, Miss St, Geor Tech, Syr, Vrgna, SMU, BC, Pitt, Baylor, Missouri, Wisc, Oregon St, Michigan, TEXAS 2, OKLAHOMA, Kansas State, Noter Dame 2 whens the last time they played in SLC? Now sure these go back but you dont play many a year. Point is BYU has been winning these teams for 30 years. Utah fans rip McBride but he did alot to improve your team. I respect what Utah has done. You should look back 30 over compare programs. You got a long way to go to catch what Edwards did for BYU. Bronco has BYU back and even when BYU sucked under Crowton they put more in the stands than a U sell out. And we do not need to brake down the BCS. We are the REASON it was MADE! 1984 NC and the 1996 Cotton Bowl champions. THE REASON WE HAVE THE BCS was to keep all of us out.

Sure glad it did not work. Good luck this year to both schoold and go BYU!

Re: Tyler | 10:25 p.m. July 5, 2008

So what?

Since 1980, Utah has beaten the following BCS teams:

Oregon 3
Arizona 3
Louisville 3
Kansas 2
Washington State 2
Oregon State 2
Stanford 2
Indiana 2
Texas A&M
Pittsburgh
California
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Minnesota
USC
Wisconsin
UCLA
Northwestern
South Florida

reRe: Tyler | 10:25 p.m | 11:45 p.m. July 5, 2008

Quick Question.

How do you claim to have a legitimate football program when you got shutout at UNLV last year?

Please, any Ute wanna grab that for me?

I mean, until you can answer simple questions like that, BYU is a former Nat Champ, two time undefeated defening conference champ, and you tearing them down to make Utah seem relevant is sort of pathetic.

I mean, really, Utah???? Come on....

Re: Tyler | 12:43 a.m. July 6, 2008

The average senior player on the BYU football team is 23 yrs old. If we could define the ï¿½modern eraï¿½ of BYU football as the time since those seniors entered Kindergarten (1990), Watch what happens to your list.

Since before they had even been born, the Y has not claimed victories from: Baylor, Colorado, Michigan, Missouri, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, and one of those UCLA and Wash. St. teams.

Prior to Kindergarten, Boston College, Texas, Washington, and one of the Oregon teams would be left off your list as well. Thatï¿½s almost 40% of your victories.

Contrary to your claim, since 1980, BYU has only beaten Texas A&M once. While they never beat Oregon St, during this time, they did beat Arizona St., which I noticed was left off your list, so weï¿½ll call that a push.

Re: Tyler | 12:43 a.m. July 6, 2008

In the 80s, BYU averaged 1.20 victories/yr over teams now in the BCS. Since then, they have trended downwardly, averaging 1.06 wins vs. BCS teams per year. With an average of only 1 win/yr you havenï¿½t really inspired ESPN to write about any perceived dynasty Y fans may feel they have.

In the 80s, BYU was 9-1 against Utah, and 5-5 in bowl games. Utah was amid a 26 yr bowl drought. In the ï¿½BYU modern eraï¿½ the Y had since gone 9-9 against Utah, and 4-7-1 in bowl games. Utah broke a 28 yr bowl drought in ï¿½92, and held an 8-3 record in the post-season. Iï¿½m not sure how much more the U has to go to ï¿½catch what Edwards did for BYU.ï¿½

BYU needs to stop talking being BCS Busters since that trail had already been blazed. Besides, ï¿½backing inï¿½ to the BCS would be a more apropos term for the cougs due to their new strategy of ï¿½scheduling down.ï¿½

80's Championship | 2:30 p.m. July 6, 2008

Wasn't EVERY championship before the BCS voted on? There was NO national championship game back then, it was all votes. So if you want to say that BYU's doesn't count, you have to take away dozens of championships from other schools as well. All of the sudden, according to your logic, only championships after 1998 count. What about the rest of those championships? Do none of them count? I sense a double standard being used against BYU.

Let's try this again.... | 2:59 p.m. July 6, 2008

Reply to the knock on our loss to UNLV: TWICE (that's TWO times), the Rebels have come into provo this decade and won: 2002, 24-3 and 2004, 24-20. Enough with the spin-job. BTW, I know a former starter from the early '80's personally and even he acknowledges his team was not even a top-10 in '84. As "MYTHICAL" and asterisked as it gets.

Re: Re: Tyler | 3:03 p.m. July 6, 2008

Nice stats. Got any on Utah?

Re: Let's try this again.... | 3:03 p.m. July 6, 2008

What's his name, then?

Go cougz!! | 3:54 p.m. July 6, 2008

you people do realize that nothing you say matters? all that matters is what happens on the field.

Go Utes! | 6:37 p.m. July 6, 2008

I am glad we are playing Weber State and also that we play in the Mountain West Conference. We can show that we can beat anyone on our schedule. Sure our conference isn't any good, but at least it means the same about BYWho?! Go Utes!

Replacing the "U" with "Who?" | 7:30 p.m. July 6, 2008

is pretty dumb. Utah fans, of all people, should not be doing that. There are more "U"'s in Utah's abbreviation than just about any other school. "Who of Who?" or how about this: "Whotah Whotes?" Wow, real mature. And logical. Nice.

Re: Re: Let's try this again.. | 9:02 p.m. July 6, 2008

What difference does knowing the guy's name make? What are you going to do, get him on the phone and tell him he needs to take it back? Are you going to knock on his door? LOL!!

Re: Re: Let's try this again | 9:12 p.m. July 6, 2008

If that former Y player allows to have his name published, it could jeopardize BYU's program. The media would be all over it. Nevertheless, as an objective Ute fan, I have to call B.S. on this "inside information". I have no doubt in my mind players on the '84 BYU team believe they were not really a top-10 team, but I do dispute one would actually ADMIT to it...maybe on his deathbed, but not now. "Let's try this again"'s claim sounds made up.

To All BYU Fans | 9:34 a.m. July 7, 2008

As a diehard BYU fan I hope the Utes beat Michigan and have a great season. Beating a ranked Ute team this season will make the BYU/Utah game and this rivalry even that much better.

Any Cougarfan who hopes the Utes aren't successful (other than the rivalry game) is not a real fan - at least not an intelligent fan. A lousy Ute team means this rivalry quickly becomes BYU/USU and no one wants that. Go Utes - beat Michigan, run the table after that, enjoy getting stomped by the Cougs in SLC, and then represent the MWC at the Vegas Bowl while the Cougs share some of their BCS $$ with their MWC brethren!!

Re: Re: Let's try this again... | 11:20 a.m. July 7, 2008

Sounds legitimate to me. (desnews police -- please back-off and stop being biased in what you let through) I'm sure he wasn't the only player from that team to acknowledge as much to family/close friends. Most likely, all of them did. BTW, as an objective Ute fan, how could it "jeopardize" the BYU program? HaHa!! You're funny!!

BYU has edge where it counts | 1:56 p.m. July 7, 2008

Ute posts disgust me. First, Utah seem more into a BYU loss than a Ute win--that's just sad to think that is how you support your team. Oftentimes, I wonder if Utah even has to win for its fans to run their mouths.

We all know who has the edge in the rivalry the past couple seasons, so BYU fans do not have to humor the thought that Utah could be better. Not a debate. Go ahead and convince yourselves that the Utes like how things have been going the past two years. No BYU fan will dispute that; in fact, we would love this year to go the way things went last year for our respective teams.

Nonetheless, even though the Utes trash talk is far worse after a good win, I still want the Utes to beat Michigan. I want the Utes to stay healthy. Utah being good takes nothing away from BYU. It just makes a win against Utah that much sweeter, and a BCS bid that much more legitimate. Let's take this rivalry to the Pac-10.

BTW--All NC champs are disputed. The record books show BYU as '84 champs which is all that matters.

Re: Re: Re: Let's try this again | 10:29 p.m. July 7, 2008

No, I'm not going to call him up and tell him to take it back, I was just guessing that you made this story up. Somehow, I feel an urge to doubt your credibility.

Anonymous | 12:29 a.m. July 8, 2008

Everyone needs to shut up and quit cheating your employers out of an honest day's effort. Get back to YOUR life, talk to your kids and wives, and quit acting like kids.

re:Let's try it again | 1:58 a.m. July 8, 2008

Yep, I'm sure that all of the BYU players that year all ran home and told their families they didn't deserve it.

Except for a few... My cousin was on tha team and he loves to show off his ring, and he and his teammates that I have met are proud of their accomplishments.

The difference in knowing the guys name is, that you made it up. Like most of Utah's stats, they belong under fiction.

I know a Ute player who says the BCS Fiesta Bowl was rigged by the NCAA to prove a non-BCS team could win, and the refs knew it and called the game to give it to the Utes. They did it all season too, to get the Utes there, and all the players went home and told their families and close friends secretly that the Utes didn't deserve it, and that BYU's NC was earned on the field. That's what a guy on the team that year said.

Statements like that are why names are usefull.

Oh, and I'll give you his name and you can call him...

Right Ute Logic Dude.

Re: Anonymous | 10:20 a.m. July 8, 2008

I AM a kid.

Ed Clinch | 1:30 p.m. July 8, 2008

Love thy neighbor as thyself.

Go Cougars!

The Real Deal | 1:44 p.m. July 8, 2008

Here is the Real Deal.... Ute fans, it doesn't matter what BYU does or what their fans say, this is a Ute post and a Ute article. If the Utes are much more superier than BYU, then why is BYU the topic of conversation?

There is a major problem with this picture. Either Ute fans are really BYU fans, or... the Utes are looking up to the Cougars.

If I'm wrong, then explain the obsession you Ute fans have with BYU? Lets try something, lets see how many comments can be made without BYU as the center fold of the conversation.

Re: The Real Deal | 3:40 p.m. July 8, 2008

Go Cougars!

That's 0 comments. :D

Re: Real Deal | 5:48 p.m. July 8, 2008

First you ask for an explanation for your perceived obsession Ute fans have for BYU, and then follow it up with a contradictory challenge to see how many comments can be made without BYU as the topic.

First of all, this is a Ute article. You sound like a smug little cougar fan. I deem it a bit hypocritical for cougars to suggest Utes are obsessed with their university after having one of them actually take the time to read the article, all 80 comments on its thread, and following it up with a comment of your own.

Secondly, the first person to comment on your challengeï¿½was another cougar fanï¿½who may very well be obsessed the Utes.

But, to answer your clumsy obtuse question, Ute fans are UTE fans; not closet cougar aficionados. We also do not look up to the cougars. Most Ute fans I know look actually DOWN on cougars.

Re: The Real Deal | 5:49 p.m. July 8, 2008

From the censored academic freedom of/by the Yï¿½s faculty, to the self-righteous piety, and all the way down to that incurious and provincial dogmatic approach to practically everything in your lives (and Iï¿½m even an active Mormon) are ALL huge factors in the fact that we just donï¿½t like you. You rarely make any sense, youï¿½re easy targets, and we love you when youï¿½re mad.

ï¿½and itï¿½s spelled ï¿½superiorï¿½, not ï¿½superierï¿½.

BOTTOM LINE | 6:25 p.m. July 8, 2008

the only thing it comes down to when you talk about UTAH and the team down souths football history is the over all record which is utah 52 TDS 33 with 4 ties which clearly shows the utes dominance, none of this media coverage or BCS crap really even matters when it comes down to it the utes have apparently been the superior team, seeing how it will take just under 20 years for TDS to tie that record i dont think trash talk is relevant until then. GO UTES

Anonymous | 9:36 a.m. July 9, 2008

You can tell by these comments how ignorant and unimformed BYU fans really are. The BCS games, unless your going to the Rose Bowl, are on FOX not ABC, but I wouldn't expect anything less coming from a fan of a school that has never been to the BCS.

GO UTES!!

P.S. BYU is this years TCU

RERE:Let's try this again.... | 6:26 p.m. July 11, 2008

Nice try. Provide names of your alledged "cousin and his teammates". LOL!! Typical kitten spin-job!!

to byu fans............... | 10:22 p.m. July 12, 2008

has the time been set for your little meeting with that juco team iowa or wherever it is. sad to say utah is trying to earn a bcs bid while byu thinks steamrolling crappy below the pack pac10 teams and a juco team will help their chances, it will cause you will be 11-1 that one loss coming to utah and you will go to your bcs game and pull another hawaii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well have fun with that.

go utes

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