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Dick Harmon: BYU, Utah Utes football: O-lines may be key to MWC race
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Typo | 3:03 p.m. July 3, 2008
FlaP or FlaK. Looks like it was an honest mistake to me. Much like yours: were
Ute fans "mad" or did you mean "madE"?
1984 Baby!!! | 3:05 p.m. July 3, 2008
Its all becoming more clear as I read these post from our BYU faithful. The
reason none of the BYU fans can dress, style their hair, or think past the
80's is because they are stuck there......waiting for one more meaningful
football season before they transition to the present. Hair parted, tight denim
shorts, the braided belt that's a little too long and so it's hanging
down, the socks with the Tiva sandles, and our 1984 National Championship
t-shirts.
I plan to update my look as soon as we win something significant again but, until then, I will continue to party like its 1984!!!!
I plan to update my look as soon as we win something significant again but, until then, I will continue to party like its 1984!!!!
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2007 Baby!!!!!!!!! | 3:14 p.m. July 3, 2008
You win, let's live in the present.
11-2 and ended in the Top 15 in all polls
So, we can talk about 1984 or 2007. Either way, you're argument goes nowhere.
11-2 and ended in the Top 15 in all polls
So, we can talk about 1984 or 2007. Either way, you're argument goes nowhere.
re:re: Boise fan, fact | 3:16 p.m. July 3, 2008
You forgot to that both the Utes and Cougars have numerous All-Pro players,
dozens of Super Bowl winners.
BYU has had at least six quarterbacks start in the NFL (Carter, Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Detmer, Beck), two win Super Bowls, one win two MVP's and go to the Hall of Fame.
The Utes have a Hall of Fame safety.
Utah State has a Hall of Fame defensive tackle.
The smurfs have had how many QB's start in the NFL, how many Hall of Famers?
Are those crickets I hear in the background, or smurfs holding their breath?
BYU has had at least six quarterbacks start in the NFL (Carter, Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Detmer, Beck), two win Super Bowls, one win two MVP's and go to the Hall of Fame.
The Utes have a Hall of Fame safety.
Utah State has a Hall of Fame defensive tackle.
The smurfs have had how many QB's start in the NFL, how many Hall of Famers?
Are those crickets I hear in the background, or smurfs holding their breath?
conference deciders | 3:22 p.m. July 3, 2008
I agree this was a pretty unbiased article by harmon. My post will also be a
nonbiased non-trash talk post by me, a die hard cougar.
I personally am convinced that the MWC champ will be from the state of utah this year. I think TCU doesn't have the D they had last year and their offense isn't quite up to par with the Y or the U. UNM should give both teams a competitive game, but they don't have what it takes in my opinion to run the table and take the conference outright.
The big question is who can fill the holes left by last year's starters and like harmon pointed out, who stays healthy and who can stay injury free.
I am stoked for this year's football and another year in what I think could be the best decade of the rivalry.
I personally am convinced that the MWC champ will be from the state of utah this year. I think TCU doesn't have the D they had last year and their offense isn't quite up to par with the Y or the U. UNM should give both teams a competitive game, but they don't have what it takes in my opinion to run the table and take the conference outright.
The big question is who can fill the holes left by last year's starters and like harmon pointed out, who stays healthy and who can stay injury free.
I am stoked for this year's football and another year in what I think could be the best decade of the rivalry.
WAC | 3:24 p.m. July 3, 2008
Didn't the mighty WAC go 1-3 in their bowl games this year while the MWC
went 4-1. It is hard not to laugh at BSU fan and WAC fan talking smack. BSU
got beat by power house ECU last year and Nevada got royally spanked by New
Mexico in the WAC vs. MWC bowl. BSU fans want to continue to live with the
mighty Oklahoma win but forget they are 1-3 in there last three bowl games
losing to Louisville, BC at home on the smurf turf and against ECU last year.
It's a close call but.. | 3:36 p.m. July 3, 2008
As of late, the cougars have the Utes number in both major sports. They will
probably be better than Utah this year. However, I would never go to school at
BYU. It's just a different culture. But if that's what they like,
more power to them.
carter | 4:08 p.m. July 3, 2008
this years holy war is going to be an awesome game and i cant wait....byu is the
team to beat and they have earned the respect of ute fans. id love to see the
utes beat them this year and reclaim the mwc title. as for 84 and 04, both teams
fans should quit living in the past. go utes
BYU's National Title | 4:24 p.m. July 3, 2008
For those of you who refer to BYU's National Title as a
"mythical" one, then I suppose that would indicate that ALL national
titles in football, won by other schools, before the inception of the BCS, were
"mythical". Just because the Utah Utes or Boise State Broncos hate
BYU and refer to their national title as mythical, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT
(OR HISTORY, FOR THE MATTER) THAT THE BYU COUGARS WON THE NATIONAL TITLE!! Yes,
it may have been 24 years ago, but it's still a national title in
football.. end of story! Oh yeah, BYU hasn't been any good since
'84.... let's see: 1996, finished in the top 5 after winning the
cotton bowl (hmmm.. kinda like that ONE year in '04 when the Utes actually
had a football program), then ranked as high as #8 in one poll in '01(when
they were 12-0, only to be shafted by the cartel known as the BCS--yes, BYU
should have been the first BCS-buster... not to mention the horrible years of
'06 and '07... man, the Cougars were crappy then too.. what was it...
ranked in the top 15 both years?!
re: Harline open... Collie open | 4:35 p.m. July 3, 2008
Not a bad comeback on your part. Good job.
I disagree with the Ronney Jenkins take. Ronney does not have Ute nightmares. Ronney and Brian McKenzie came into your crib and they BOTH had 100 yard days. So, when RJ thinks of Utah/BYU games, a big smile comes to his face.
Ronney Jenkins is still running.
I disagree with the Ronney Jenkins take. Ronney does not have Ute nightmares. Ronney and Brian McKenzie came into your crib and they BOTH had 100 yard days. So, when RJ thinks of Utah/BYU games, a big smile comes to his face.
Ronney Jenkins is still running.
Please, no "holy war" | 4:47 p.m. July 3, 2008
That comment devalues the intimate nature of religion, and the price of life
which war requires.
Your religion, my religion, no religion, that is intimate and personal.
Comments like "live bullets" which Coach Witt likes to use take the sport too seriously, and are an insult to those who have dodged or died by real bullets.
Your religion, my religion, no religion, that is intimate and personal.
Comments like "live bullets" which Coach Witt likes to use take the sport too seriously, and are an insult to those who have dodged or died by real bullets.
UTE HATER | 5:14 p.m. July 3, 2008
utah doesnt stand a chance. who are you kidding? we all know that johnson QB
of yours will be hurt by week 2. then your runningback will make another dumb
threat like what he said to Unga before they played then he wont deliver.
NOBODY can stop BYU. They have one of the best offenses in the USA. to you ute
fans who think that BYUs defense will be crap i remind you that Mendenhall is
the king off reloading especially on the defensive side of the ball. so that is
just wishful thinking. Just face it Great teams/coaches find ways to win. Thats
what BYU has done the last two years and thats what htye will do this year too.
re: Harline: Open Collie: Op | 5:24 p.m. July 3, 2008
Hey butch.............
1984 has Never Happened for the Utes. Ever. No Fiesta Bowl or Alex Smith ever tops 1984......
However many years ago, Mythical Nat. Champs isn't even in your vocabulary.
And.....remember all the smack talk when the glute fans predicted the BYU Meltdown in the middle of last season(as if that chatter is even read by the football team)BYU rolled right on through the season and the yewts as well(regardless of the score)
The only smack BYU needs to make is slapping the punk utes up side the head(left hand, then right hand times infinity)
Cougars will be just fine on defense. Bronco's philosophy of consistency and position mastery at BYU is the difference between Coach Mendenhall and Coach Kyle's poor excuse for coaching. Do you remember the peanut(Whittingham)walking across the field to shake Bronco's hand the last two games???
Ahhhhhh, poor baby. Shake dat hand quick and duck out for the locker room?
Re:Quest for Perfection?
1. learn how to spell ridiculous(not rediculous?)
2. And the view from the Hill? It was just fine two years ago after we won the last game at RES. It will be fine again this season when we repeat at RES.
1984 has Never Happened for the Utes. Ever. No Fiesta Bowl or Alex Smith ever tops 1984......
However many years ago, Mythical Nat. Champs isn't even in your vocabulary.
And.....remember all the smack talk when the glute fans predicted the BYU Meltdown in the middle of last season(as if that chatter is even read by the football team)BYU rolled right on through the season and the yewts as well(regardless of the score)
The only smack BYU needs to make is slapping the punk utes up side the head(left hand, then right hand times infinity)
Cougars will be just fine on defense. Bronco's philosophy of consistency and position mastery at BYU is the difference between Coach Mendenhall and Coach Kyle's poor excuse for coaching. Do you remember the peanut(Whittingham)walking across the field to shake Bronco's hand the last two games???
Ahhhhhh, poor baby. Shake dat hand quick and duck out for the locker room?
Re:Quest for Perfection?
1. learn how to spell ridiculous(not rediculous?)
2. And the view from the Hill? It was just fine two years ago after we won the last game at RES. It will be fine again this season when we repeat at RES.
Mythical championship | 5:31 p.m. July 3, 2008
BYU's 1984 championship is equivalent to Boise State claiming the
championship two years ago. Boise was the only undefeated team....THEY
DIDN'T PLAY THE BEST TEAM IN THE COUNTRY AND NEITHER DID BYU. BYU PLAYED
AN AVERAGE MICHIGAN TEAM. LOL YOUR CHAMPIONSHIP IS TAINTED.
re: Indignation | 5:40 p.m. July 3, 2008
Whoa! Keep this to sports. The U of U is a high level research institution with
a Nobel Prize laureate. BYU students may go onto grad school, but guess where
they go. Comparing the Y to the U academically is comparing apples to oranges.
The Y gets better prospects because it is a private school and naturally
attracts more applicants. Therefore the recruitment standards can be higher. The
U has a research and community development orientation (as state institutions
should) and naturally focuses on research-based graduate programs.
Re: BYU's National Title | 6:00 p.m. July 3, 2008
"BYU should have been the original BCS buster in 2001"??????!!!!
After Hawaii dropped 70 on the koogs, they didn't deserve to be any where near the BCS. BYU later confirmed that in the Liberty Bowl when Louisville handled them with ease.
BYU has NEVER deserved a BCS bid. Maybe in '96 when it was the Bowl Alliance, but considering how narrowly BYU was able to beat Kansas State you should all thank your stars you didn't get in. A stronger opponent would have done the same thing to BYU that Washington did earlier that year.
After Hawaii dropped 70 on the koogs, they didn't deserve to be any where near the BCS. BYU later confirmed that in the Liberty Bowl when Louisville handled them with ease.
BYU has NEVER deserved a BCS bid. Maybe in '96 when it was the Bowl Alliance, but considering how narrowly BYU was able to beat Kansas State you should all thank your stars you didn't get in. A stronger opponent would have done the same thing to BYU that Washington did earlier that year.
You wanna know why? | 7:09 p.m. July 3, 2008
you guys have nothing but BYU football and getting your jollies about some high
school kid commiting to BYU. Just look at all the other sport articles for the
Deseret news, and then check this one has over 100 posts and the rest have 0.
Guys get a life and stop living vicariously through BYU football.
No comparison | 8:18 p.m. July 3, 2008
Why do you people bother comparing Utah and BYU football. It is like comparing
apples and oranges. Just look at the past 10 years. BYU has 4 MWC
championships and Utah has 3. The interesting thing is that the past 10 years
are the glory years for the Utes and the rebuilding years for the Cougars. BYU
fans will stop bringing up 1984 when Ute fans stop bringing up 2004 but
don't forget that two other non BCS schools have already made the BCS. It
is not that great of an accomplishment. A national championship can never be
taken away and will never be done again by a non BCS school. Go ahead and make
your claim to fame in basketball and gymnastics but do not try and compare
yourselves to BYU in football Ute fans.
re: BYUs Nat Title | 8:30 p.m. July 3, 2008
I've got news for you: ALL of the football NC's since the inception of
the BCS are "mythical". And they always will be until there's a
playoff system. Good example in this one: Fresno State won the baseball
championship against Georgia. Why? BECAUSE THERE WAS A TOURNAMENT!! If voting
polls had been used to decide who got to play for the baseball championship do
you think Fresno St would have been chosen? NOT A CHANCE!!!
Anonymous | 8:48 p.m. July 3, 2008
Hey Cougars,
Win a non-conference road game first and then we'll move on to talking about the BCS. When was the last time the Cougs went in and beat an non-conference opponent on their turf?
Answer: 2001 vs Cal.
You better head up to Seattle and take care of business before you start running your mouths about the BCS. You havent won a non conf road game in 7 years.
Win a non-conference road game first and then we'll move on to talking about the BCS. When was the last time the Cougs went in and beat an non-conference opponent on their turf?
Answer: 2001 vs Cal.
You better head up to Seattle and take care of business before you start running your mouths about the BCS. You havent won a non conf road game in 7 years.
Anonamous | 8:57 p.m. July 3, 2008
Sealver Siliga DT of UTAH, will be the Freshmen of the year.
re: BYU non-conf road wins | 9:19 p.m. July 3, 2008
Actually, byU did beat USU in Logan in 2002. In a giant come-from-behind effort,
winning by a single point.
Not that this is anything to be proud of.
Then again, the kugs got spanked by UNLV in Provo that year too 24-3.
Not that this is anything to be proud of.
Then again, the kugs got spanked by UNLV in Provo that year too 24-3.
Seattle | 9:38 p.m. July 3, 2008
A nice article on the importance of the offensive line. I also must say the Mr
Harmon withheld his usual BYU hype machine in check pretty well. I expect that
was because when he hyped the BYU offensive line last year they underperformed
big time. The stupid comments about BYU's offense saying "we can run
and score on anybody" still drive me nuts.
I hope they do better but unfortunately, I see a 1-2 start for them again this year.
This is great year for LDS offensive line recruits. Will BYU get any of the top 3?
I hope they do better but unfortunately, I see a 1-2 start for them again this year.
This is great year for LDS offensive line recruits. Will BYU get any of the top 3?
Re: No Comparison | 9:50 p.m. July 3, 2008
I do agree that we fans need to worry about this year and our own behavior.
The point I disagree with you on is that although non-BCS school is not currently a great accomplishment, but in 2004, a non-BCS school had to be ranked in the top 6 in the country with two human polls being the major component to the BCS calculation. At the time, Utah had to win and win big every single game. That was an accomplishment and BYU fans do need to care not to take away from it, just like Utah fans should respect that BYU won the title in 1984 based on the rules of the time.
I do find your condescending tone cute, just like the fact that BYU has the longest moral victory streak in history of the NCAA. Programs can have 1-2 rebuilding years, not rebuilding decades.
The point I disagree with you on is that although non-BCS school is not currently a great accomplishment, but in 2004, a non-BCS school had to be ranked in the top 6 in the country with two human polls being the major component to the BCS calculation. At the time, Utah had to win and win big every single game. That was an accomplishment and BYU fans do need to care not to take away from it, just like Utah fans should respect that BYU won the title in 1984 based on the rules of the time.
I do find your condescending tone cute, just like the fact that BYU has the longest moral victory streak in history of the NCAA. Programs can have 1-2 rebuilding years, not rebuilding decades.
Consider this | 10:31 p.m. July 3, 2008
You have to admit that for BYU to go from being nobody in 2005 to having 2 11-2
records and 2 undefeated conference championships and nationally ranked at No.
14 in just 2 seasons is impressive. How many teams have accomplished that?
re:re: BYU non-conf road wins | 10:37 p.m. July 3, 2008
Tell me your smack against BYU does not really bring up UNLV. Do you remember
how many points the Utes scored against UNLV last season?
re:Anon:
Win a national championship first and then we'll talk.
How many Outland Trophy winners have come out of Utah (Zero-Zip-Nada)? I think BYU has two. Also a Doak Walker winner, a Heisman, and the past two MWC Championship including two nonconference Bowl Games, representing the MWC.
Utah is nothing without BYU. The Ute fans wouldn't have the hate that fuels their fervor for the U of U.
I have been to many Utah/BYU games, and the anti-religous fervor from the Ute Fans makes that obvious. I know many are Utah grads. The rest hate mormons.
But without the LDS/BYU hatred that stadim (Mitt-Romney-Olympic-Stadium)would be half full minus the 2/3rds of the fans that go their to beg and pray for someone LDS to fail, and give meaning to their anti-Mormon insecurities.
Why else all of the anger to Austin Collie. Many more religious-statements are made by other athletes all of the time.
Without the BYU/LDS connection, Utah would have no better program than any other team in the state of Utah.
Thank BYU.
re:Anon:
Win a national championship first and then we'll talk.
How many Outland Trophy winners have come out of Utah (Zero-Zip-Nada)? I think BYU has two. Also a Doak Walker winner, a Heisman, and the past two MWC Championship including two nonconference Bowl Games, representing the MWC.
Utah is nothing without BYU. The Ute fans wouldn't have the hate that fuels their fervor for the U of U.
I have been to many Utah/BYU games, and the anti-religous fervor from the Ute Fans makes that obvious. I know many are Utah grads. The rest hate mormons.
But without the LDS/BYU hatred that stadim (Mitt-Romney-Olympic-Stadium)would be half full minus the 2/3rds of the fans that go their to beg and pray for someone LDS to fail, and give meaning to their anti-Mormon insecurities.
Why else all of the anger to Austin Collie. Many more religious-statements are made by other athletes all of the time.
Without the BYU/LDS connection, Utah would have no better program than any other team in the state of Utah.
Thank BYU.
Dave | 12:43 a.m. July 4, 2008
If I remember, Utah has a tough non-conference schedule this year. I
wouldn't be surprised to see Utah and BYU undefeated in their conference
games, meeting each other in November. But I will be shocked if Utah can win
all their non-conference games. Utah 10-2, BYU undefeated.
re:re: No comparison | 1:05 a.m. July 4, 2008
True.
In 1984 you did not need a top 6 ranking to play for the National Title, you needed #1, something Utah even failed to do under coach Meyer.
BYU was the Number 1 ranked team in the country, hence, the National Tital.
If either Utah or BYU gets ranked #1 at the end of this season, they will play for a National Title.
The only reason the Utes are BCS busters, is that there was a BCS at the time. If they did not have a BCS in the "Urban Legend year", Utah would have played for a prestigous bowl, and not have it called a BCS Bowl, hence, they would not be "BCS BUSTERS".
If the BCS was around back in the late 70's throughh the 80's, BYU would have busted the BCS many times.
There is really only one solid program in Utah, and the rest try to play catch-up, and that is BYU.
Hey, Utah, score against UNLV, be ranked at the end of the season, and then you can sit at the adult table.
I just wish the LBUNS would take off those rose colored glasses, and respect the better program.
And... Bo Diddley Rocked!!!
In 1984 you did not need a top 6 ranking to play for the National Title, you needed #1, something Utah even failed to do under coach Meyer.
BYU was the Number 1 ranked team in the country, hence, the National Tital.
If either Utah or BYU gets ranked #1 at the end of this season, they will play for a National Title.
The only reason the Utes are BCS busters, is that there was a BCS at the time. If they did not have a BCS in the "Urban Legend year", Utah would have played for a prestigous bowl, and not have it called a BCS Bowl, hence, they would not be "BCS BUSTERS".
If the BCS was around back in the late 70's throughh the 80's, BYU would have busted the BCS many times.
There is really only one solid program in Utah, and the rest try to play catch-up, and that is BYU.
Hey, Utah, score against UNLV, be ranked at the end of the season, and then you can sit at the adult table.
I just wish the LBUNS would take off those rose colored glasses, and respect the better program.
And... Bo Diddley Rocked!!!
Reality | 7:01 a.m. July 4, 2008
What is the MWC?
Who is BYU and who is Utah?
The reality is they are unimportant teams in the real scheme of college football... (That being the almighty dollar and national prestige)
Who is BYU and who is Utah?
The reality is they are unimportant teams in the real scheme of college football... (That being the almighty dollar and national prestige)
O line Coaching? NONE | 7:40 a.m. July 4, 2008
The entire O line performed POORLY last year, as did MAX HALL. Especially
against teams that could chew gum and walk at the same time. UCLA, Tulsa, TCU,
Utah and New Mex. Please just review the stats. anytime Max got sacked he threw
2 or 3 interceptions(UCLA, Tulsa, UNLV). Pick SIX cost BYU wins at UCLA and
Tulsa. How about the fumbles in the backfield because the byu runner was hit
DURING the hand off?
All this hype is due to the RECORD not the performance. Yeah, the record speaks for itself but so does the game films.
AT best, BYU is in the top Thirty and will be lucky to walk away with a 9-3 record.
All this hype is due to the RECORD not the performance. Yeah, the record speaks for itself but so does the game films.
AT best, BYU is in the top Thirty and will be lucky to walk away with a 9-3 record.
Football | 9:16 a.m. July 4, 2008
Sounds like we are ready for some FOOTBALL. As a fan, I am going to suit up for
every game, yell my hardest, and just love this fall. Every team in the league
has a chance to go undefeated. But unfortunately, most will not. Who has the
composure and attitude and players to do it? By December we will know. Go
Cougs.
Ute? | 10:10 a.m. July 4, 2008
I hate the zoobies as much as anyone but national champs you must have been
doing something with the cowpie heaps when you wrote this..Go UTES
Hi I'm a Ute Fan/ BYU Fan | 10:59 a.m. July 4, 2008
UF: Hi I'm a Ute fan
BF: And I'm a Cougar fan
UF: As a Ute fan I love to rip on the team down south.
BF: I hate the team up north.
UF: Wow, that's clever. Your correct application of your geography skills certainly makes up for your lack of originality and creativity.
BF: Um... has anyone mentioned that we won a national championship before most of the current student body was born?
UF: It's been a few minutes.
BF: Well Collie and Harline are still open.
UF: Wow, I'm still amazed at how funny that is. Almost as funny as the 34-31 commercials that were run for years after those games. We're still waiting for the "big hurt" that was promised in 2004 - yeah, we did get a couple of small hurts on two plays that changed the outcome of two games (which were supposed to be blowouts).
BF: You're just saying that because you're anti-Mormon.
UF: You're right, I didn't want to say anything, but all of us Ute Fans hate Mormons. Even the Mormon ones (which I guess makes them bad Mormons - there goes the recommend... "support or affiliate with any groups..."). GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
BF: And I'm a Cougar fan
UF: As a Ute fan I love to rip on the team down south.
BF: I hate the team up north.
UF: Wow, that's clever. Your correct application of your geography skills certainly makes up for your lack of originality and creativity.
BF: Um... has anyone mentioned that we won a national championship before most of the current student body was born?
UF: It's been a few minutes.
BF: Well Collie and Harline are still open.
UF: Wow, I'm still amazed at how funny that is. Almost as funny as the 34-31 commercials that were run for years after those games. We're still waiting for the "big hurt" that was promised in 2004 - yeah, we did get a couple of small hurts on two plays that changed the outcome of two games (which were supposed to be blowouts).
BF: You're just saying that because you're anti-Mormon.
UF: You're right, I didn't want to say anything, but all of us Ute Fans hate Mormons. Even the Mormon ones (which I guess makes them bad Mormons - there goes the recommend... "support or affiliate with any groups..."). GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 2 Cents | 11:38 a.m. July 4, 2008
Wasn't the current BCS system put into place because of what happened in
1984?
Anonymous | 11:58 a.m. July 4, 2008
To all of you who think that BYU is the favorite nationally to get into the BCS
game check out ESPN.com. Seems like they think Fresno State is going to do it
this year.
Observations: | 1:03 p.m. July 4, 2008
1: BYU has 1 National Championship.
2: Utah was the first BCS buster.
3: Boise State & Fresno State should be in the same conference as Utah & BYU. Add another Texas school for a 12 team conference.
4: BYU is the 2 time defending MWC champ and the team to beat.
5: 1984 is a very special year for BYU.
6: 2004 is a very special year for Utah.
7: Boise State beating Oklahome was very special.
8: Many Utah, BYU and Boise State fans cant grasp the national picture.
9: I wish that both Utah & BYU were unbeaten every year when they play.
10: I am a Ute fan but know until the MWC adds BSU, FSU and one more good team [and school, hopefully from Texas] that the MWC will not be taken seriously on a national scale....same goes for the WAC.
2: Utah was the first BCS buster.
3: Boise State & Fresno State should be in the same conference as Utah & BYU. Add another Texas school for a 12 team conference.
4: BYU is the 2 time defending MWC champ and the team to beat.
5: 1984 is a very special year for BYU.
6: 2004 is a very special year for Utah.
7: Boise State beating Oklahome was very special.
8: Many Utah, BYU and Boise State fans cant grasp the national picture.
9: I wish that both Utah & BYU were unbeaten every year when they play.
10: I am a Ute fan but know until the MWC adds BSU, FSU and one more good team [and school, hopefully from Texas] that the MWC will not be taken seriously on a national scale....same goes for the WAC.
re: My 2 cents | 2:01 p.m. July 4, 2008
Short answer: Yes
Long answer:
The BCS was put in place because of the arrogance and greed of the South Eastern Conference. Their commissioner and coaches have stated publicly that they believe every national championship game should include an SEC team because they believe they are superior to every other conference. So they came up with a plan to band together with 5 other conferences plus Notre Dame in order to get the lion's share of TV revenue and power.
Yes, the big conferences were not happy that BYU was unanimously voted #1 in 1984, even though BYU kicked Washington (a 1984 top 5 team) all over the field to start the 1985 season.
So in 1992 the SEC and the others formed a Bowl Coalition. In 1995 they called it the Bowl Alliance and then in 1997-98 called it the BCS. In 1996 BYU was ranked 5th nationally at the end of the regular season and was denied a chance by the Bowl Alliance to play in one of their big money bowls. Instead they beat #12 Kansas St in the Cotton Bowl.
Long answer:
The BCS was put in place because of the arrogance and greed of the South Eastern Conference. Their commissioner and coaches have stated publicly that they believe every national championship game should include an SEC team because they believe they are superior to every other conference. So they came up with a plan to band together with 5 other conferences plus Notre Dame in order to get the lion's share of TV revenue and power.
Yes, the big conferences were not happy that BYU was unanimously voted #1 in 1984, even though BYU kicked Washington (a 1984 top 5 team) all over the field to start the 1985 season.
So in 1992 the SEC and the others formed a Bowl Coalition. In 1995 they called it the Bowl Alliance and then in 1997-98 called it the BCS. In 1996 BYU was ranked 5th nationally at the end of the regular season and was denied a chance by the Bowl Alliance to play in one of their big money bowls. Instead they beat #12 Kansas St in the Cotton Bowl.
Re: re: My 2 cents | 2:01 p.m. | 2:39 p.m. July 4, 2008
Kansas St. was #14, not #12. BYU needed a LATE 4th qtr rally to beat a #14
ranked team. Good thing for BYU they didn't have to play a #13 ranked team
or higher, or they wouldn't have finished #5.
BYU even struggled against the #19 ranked Wyoming in the WAC championship game in Las Vegas, needing O/T to advance to the Cotton Bowl. I understand the TDS considers Sam Boyd Stadium to be practically a home game.
BYU even struggled against the #19 ranked Wyoming in the WAC championship game in Las Vegas, needing O/T to advance to the Cotton Bowl. I understand the TDS considers Sam Boyd Stadium to be practically a home game.
Re: Hi I'm a Ute and BYU fan | 2:59 p.m. July 4, 2008
BYU: Hi I'm a Cougar fan.
Ute: And I'm a Ute fan.
BYU: As Cougars, we try to have patience with our brethren up north. However, it is hard sometimes since we have to put up with them every Sunday at church,at work, and at neighborhood gatherings even after we beat them for two straight years.
Ute: Well... we went to the Fiesta Bowl.
BYU: Stop living in 2004.
Ute: But we are two plays away from winning six in a row against the Zoobs.
BYU: HA HA. BYU is 8 plays away from going 33-3 against the Yewts since 1972.
Ute: Touche.
BYU: What?
Ute: Touche. It is supposed to make you sound smart in a debate.
BYU: Whatever. Yewts don't say anything until November.
GO COUGARS!!!
Ute: And I'm a Ute fan.
BYU: As Cougars, we try to have patience with our brethren up north. However, it is hard sometimes since we have to put up with them every Sunday at church,at work, and at neighborhood gatherings even after we beat them for two straight years.
Ute: Well... we went to the Fiesta Bowl.
BYU: Stop living in 2004.
Ute: But we are two plays away from winning six in a row against the Zoobs.
BYU: HA HA. BYU is 8 plays away from going 33-3 against the Yewts since 1972.
Ute: Touche.
BYU: What?
Ute: Touche. It is supposed to make you sound smart in a debate.
BYU: Whatever. Yewts don't say anything until November.
GO COUGARS!!!
Rich | 8:32 p.m. July 5, 2008
Pre-season honors mean absolutely nothing. If I were a coach I would prefer to
be rated last in the league, and then I would have a better chance of exceeding
expectations. Nobody has seen all the teams play as currently constituted.
Nobody has seen many of the players in a Division I environment. So predictions
mean very little this early in the year and are more often wrong than right.
Real BYU | 10:05 p.m. July 5, 2008
I'm excited for both the Utes and Cougars this season and think that the
rivalry will be as good as always. Ute fans need to tone down the smack
considering BYU has gone undefeated in conference play the past two years.
FYI | 10:50 a.m. July 8, 2008
Ray Feinga played at Left Guard last year, not Left Tackle
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Hawaii proved that last year, going undefeated thanks to their weak schedule, MASSIVE all-day travel and multi-time zone advantage, then got SPANKED in the bowl game. (And as entertaining as it was and as much as I rooted for them, the smurfs couldn't have duplicated that win over Oklahoma if they played that game 500 times.)
Boise beat the Utes when they were down, and the Cougars when they had Crowton (and Utah State is barely a DII program.) It is a new day, smurfs. Line it up now and see who wins.
Oh, and BYU has been to more and better bowls over the years than the smurfs if you go back to the time before the BcS hijacked things.