Why would you choose USC over a Utah school? Do you think it's easy to become a
starter there? Less chance to be seen by NFL scouts. Look at how many division
two players get drafted that would never had made it at USC or UCLA because
someone else would have in front of them. Their talent was seen because they a
chance to develope it. Your chances of starting is better in a Utah school.
If they want to play at home, sign with Hawaii.
If reality is a world where "Bronco" is "as good a coach as ther is in college
football" then I will be glad to live in fantasy world! Someones been drinking
way too much of the blue coolaid. Furthermore, alot of people in their "right
mind" would think the WAC is on par with the MWC. Anyone heard of Boise State
football? Anyone happen to catch Fresno State just win the College World Series?
Anyone happen to turn on a little know station called ESPN, on any Thursday from
September to December? If not, you will see WAC football. Now granted this small
station called ESPN is nowhere near the powerhouse as VS, or the beloved MTN,
but then again, we are living in a reality that has "Bronco" as a better coach
than Carrol, Meyer, Saban, Paterno, Tressel, Brown, Beemer, Stoopes, Miles,
etc....Keep dreaming buddy!
For the last guy that is trying not so very hard to hide his ute ties, maybe you
should do a little research before you shoot your mouth off. BYU has never
played a D2 school in the modern era. And prior to the permanent inclusion of 12
regular season games, BYU had only played 3 D1AA teams. Secondly, Utah pretty
much year in and year out plays a softer schedule than BYU, and this year is no
exception. Michigan sounds really cool, but no one expects much from them this
year. And Weber St.? Nobody in their right mind believes the WAC is on par
and is nowhere near being better than the MWC. As to better coaching at
USC, if you get rid of your emotional attachment, you will realize that Bronco
is as good a coach as there is in college football today. As soon as Pete Carrol
starts taking one and two star athletes and putting them in the NFL, then you
can make that claim.
Let's see, didn't the USC offensive coordinator learn his trade -- as a
quarterback at BYU?
I must disagree with at least one aspect mentioned by USC alum, granting that
much of his assessment was correct. I do not believe the coaching or training
is superior. One need only look to the main reason USC produced a couple of
Heisman-winning quarterbacks in the last few years, after never having done so
in its entire history: They had Norm Chow as Offensive Coordinator. Remember
where he came from, USC alum: BYU. Remember that BYU produced consecutive
quarterbacks in the early 80's that went on to later win Super Bowls (McMahon
and Young). Remember that BYU produced a Heisman-winning quarterback long
before USC did. The fact that undrafted BYU athletes have good NFL careers is
another testament to excellent coaching. Yes, USC has advantages regarding
playing better competition, and the national spotlight is very bright there.
However, I submit that this last point is *solely* due to the fact that USC is
the premier school in perhaps the top recruiting area in the country. When
great athletes have congregated at BYU, they have had great teams. Of course
that is the case at USC, where they have their pick of athletes when the
coaching staff is good.
The stopwatch doesn't know. The Vertical Jump test doesn't know. The agility
course doesn't know. The 225lbs. on the weight bar doesn't know. These tests
don't know where you attended college! If you've got it, you're on your way to
the NFL. Whether you attend USC or Southern Utah University, is irrelevant to
the NFL combine and scouts. A 4.3 40 yard dash from SUU will get you drafted
faster than a 4.4 40 yard dash from USC.
byu and utah are both great schools in a horrible conference. i would choose an
out of state school simply to avoid playing the likes of wyoming, csu, utah
state (non-league) and all the division II schools byu likes to schedule to
soften up their already soft schedule. it's sad that the current wac is
portrayed as a better or equal conference by most national analysts. craig
thompson is a joke--awesome broadcasting rights package you have negotiated,
sir. i guess we can all jump the border to watch local games in las vegas...
prediction: byu goes undefeated then gets blown out like hawaii did last year
in a bcs bowl. any average bcs conference school could accomplish that feat
with byu's schedule. at least, as of late, utah has scheduled legitimate
Not to be disrespectful to the Utah schools because I know there have been a lot
of great NFL players come out of them, but you honestly can't compare the type
of experience and training you get at a place like USC to the schools in Utah.
The coaching is better, the competition is tougher, the national spotlight is
much bigger, and NFL scouts are always present. Not to mention that you belong
to an organization that has produced 7 Heisman winners, 7 National Titles, and
148 All-Americans. Combine all that with the benefits of belonging to the Trojan
Family (aka: Trojan Mafia) and the place becomes very special. USC alums are
fiercely loyal to each other and the school.
to study hard to keep your grades up and then play hard on the field...
I agree that a great player will make it to the NFL from Utah schools or USC (or
any other "big name" school). USU, Utah and BYU all have players doing very
well in the NFL. Conversely, it isn't as though every player who starts at USC
goes on to NFL stardom, and I frankly expect Stanley Havili's success in the NFL
compared to, say, Fahu Tahi, to be commensurate to the type of player he was
coming into college compared to Tahi--Havili was more highly sought than Tahi,
so he may do somewhat better in the NFL as well. But I don't see his having
played at USC rather than BYU making a noticeable difference in his future
success. Thus, it comes down to what a kid wants, and I understand that some
who have no particular loyalty to a local school will find the appeal of playing
on a bigger stage, against better competition, and with more national
exposure--ego is certainly part of the equation--will unfortunately find that
more appealing than staying home and helping to build the programs of local
That would be the other Utah kid already AT USC.Stanley Havili.He started as a Freshman, got hurt and used his redshirt year, started
as a redshirt Freshman, startes as a sophomore, and will show up on All American
lists as a Junior this upcoming year.I think he's done just fine.
Stupid Drone? that would be staying in Utah and playing for one of the ordinary
teams of College Football.
I agree with Rich. The only reason USC is "storied" is because they have been
winning recently. Go back a decade and they stunk - and nobody was calling them
storied. Is anyone calling the Irish "storied" lately? Point is this - good
teams come and go, and are based on talent and drive. Instead of sending that
all off to other states who don't care about anything but winning yet another
title, stay here and build up the local schools and do something uncommon. The
only story that matters is your own. Going to play basketball at Duke or
Football at USC is what everyone expects you to do like some stupid drone. Be
When a player is good enough to attract attention from out-of-state big name
schools, it's tempting to take an offer for the prestige of saying where you'll
be playing. But look at the good players who have chosen to play for the
Aggies, the Utes and the Cougs. They get plenty of notice from the NFL, and
they're a big fish in a little pond here. I've seen too many Utah players go to
Colorado, USC, Michigan and the like, and they're soon forgotten, sometimes even
before they graduate. The good players who go to BYU or Utah end up being part
of school and state lore for perhaps generations. USU, BYU and Utah all have
had many high-profile players go to the NFL. My advice? Stay here, help our
Utah teams gain or maintain national prominence, and be proud of your
accomplishments right here at home. And it will also be much easier for your
family to travel to your games. And for your friends and neighbors to watch you
on television when you're on road trips.
Five or so years ago Ofa Mohetau (sp) came to BYU as the top o-line recruit in
the nation and one of the top-ten overall (if I remember correctly). But he was
unable to make it at the D-1 level both on the field and in the classroom. He
transferred to Texas Tech after success at the JC level but had similar results
as at BYU. No knock on this kid as a person but it reinforces the idea that
these kids need to evaluate everything. They can't get caught up in all the love
but rather look at every aspect - academics, university culture, fellow players,
etc. The nice thing is that it appears these two are doing that guided by
parents who genuinely have their best interests in mind. I hope they both
represent Utah well!
I think it's so easy to look at other schools outside of Utah. It's such a
different feel and level when it comes to D-1 football. I think it's kinda of a
joke that people are complaining about the top instate talent leaving Utah. Go
to a game at the colisium and be a part of all the pageantry and then go to a
BYU game where everyone get's there 5 minutes before kickoff to find a seat.
Whole different level, even though BYU and Utah are both D1 schools.
i dont think that they will stay in state, with offers from all these classic
schools its going to be hard to stay home.hope these guys can play
well and represent.
Good write up on a couple of Utah boys that have a bright future ahead of
them.By the way it's "Ifi", not "Efi".
I would love to see those guys in the Cardinal 'n Gold! Not a better school for
football in the whole country. Want to get drafted in the first round? Go to
USC! Want to get more out the college experience? Go to USC! Want to feel like
you belong to a family? Go to USC!Fight On!!!
....for this little snapshot into the world of high level recruiting. Good on all those Utah boys, i will be rooting for you all; wherever you end