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GOP, Big Oil push shale in Utah
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Quick Sand | 1:47 a.m. July 2, 2008
Uh, bad idea. We're gonna trash our beautiful state just to have thirty
years of dirty burning fuels. Then what?
Cats | 5:45 a.m. July 2, 2008
We need to do everything in our power to get at the oil in oil shale, tar sands,
coal gasification, off shore, ANWR and anywhere else we can get energy. (Also
nuclear.) Our lives and security depend on it. What are we--SUICIDAL?
The Democrats, who are controlled by the environmentalists, are so blinded by their bias that they can't even use common sense.
We need oil shale and tar sands production NOW!
The Democrats, who are controlled by the environmentalists, are so blinded by their bias that they can't even use common sense.
We need oil shale and tar sands production NOW!
Then What? | 7:02 a.m. July 2, 2008
Then we drill off of the coasts and up in Alaska.
I can't believe the short sidedness of the left.
I can't believe the short sidedness of the left.
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Jeff | 7:05 a.m. July 2, 2008
Um, duh, the Nine Mile Canyon region doesn't have oil shale. Utah's
shale deposits are out near Vernal not down by Price. The reporter should
pretend to know what he's writing about.
Danny Mullen | 7:09 a.m. July 2, 2008
We still have some of the best scientific minds in the world (thus technologies)
and I have faith that we can overcome the obstacles of exploitation of our
resources and disposal of any hazardous waste byproducts. We have to take the
lead and develop, BUT we must ensure there is true, non-partisan oversight and
enforcement. True, many of the benefits may be years away, but we must set the
stage for our children's future and country's future independence.
RedShirt | 7:14 a.m. July 2, 2008
To "Quick Sand | 1:47 a.m." what this would bring us is time to
develop alternatives. I just read an article that Sandia Labs put out that they
are ready to test a process that would use the excess heat from a power plant
and the CO2 to make gasoline.
There are alternatives, we just have to decide on which one.
There are alternatives, we just have to decide on which one.
Do it for our Children | 7:24 a.m. July 2, 2008
To coin a phrase from environmentalists, "Do it for our Children".
This fear mongering mentality of, "it will destroy the environment or
burning fuel is evil" is just propaganda. Drilling for oil or developing
oil shale or tar sands is not evil. It should have been done years ago. I for
one do not want to return to the days of horse drawn wagons and no air
conditioning. We have the technology to do this in an environmentally safe and
responsible way. Government, do something and do it now so our children can
benefit.
Timj | 7:28 a.m. July 2, 2008
From the State of the Union address in January 2006, from President Bush:
"We have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil."
And now, more recently, he says:
"Our nation must produce more oil."
So to get rid of an addiction, you feed it.
Makes perfect sense to me!
"We have a serious problem: America is addicted to oil."
And now, more recently, he says:
"Our nation must produce more oil."
So to get rid of an addiction, you feed it.
Makes perfect sense to me!
re: Cats | 7:29 a.m. July 2, 2008
Yea, great idea! Let's just continue to tap whatever oil resources are
available at all costs, acting like $2/gallon gas is our God given right. Heaven
forbid we should actually focus on conservation and alternative energies. There
is an UNLIMITED supply of energy in the World, let's stop taking the easy
way out and find better ways to capture it. The longer we go after every last
drop of oil, the less incentive we will have to develop the technologies and
infrastructure for other, cleaner, and in the long run, cheaper forms of energy.
Some Utahns need to learn what it means to be a "wise steward."
The song remains the same ... | 7:41 a.m. July 2, 2008
How many more years will be wasted on trying to squeeze oil from rock. Money
would be better spent on finding a solutions that doesn't require oil for
combustion. It is way past time to eliminate the stranglehold the oil producing
countries and the U.S. Oil companies have on us.
Fragile Rock Art? | 7:44 a.m. July 2, 2008
Wow we see the liberal agenda in action here. There is no real concern for the
hurt felt in our wallets over the outrageous oil prices, but concern over
FRAGILE ROCK ART? I'm a poor person and I can not afford to continue to pay
these oil prices. I try to keep my tires inflated properly, drive slow, and
drive less. I am doing what I can, but I can't afford to be a heartless
liberal that is concerned more over fragile rock art rather than the suffering
consumers. Many of us are on the brink of losing our homes because we can not
afford any thing anymore. Every little thing starts adding up. Lets see Questar
is going to increase rates about 22% this winter, property taxes are up, food
costs more, electrcity prices will go up very soon etc. So my income isn't
going up as fast as all these increasing costs. in short WE ARE SUFFERING! maybe
if we were all rich or without children we could afford to be a heartless
liberal like those concerned with Fragile Art work.
Bombadil | 8:14 a.m. July 2, 2008
Folks are missing the point. Nobody finds it ironic that our intrepid senators
put on a dog and pony show touting a currently useless concept in order to calm
the sheep? We continue to spend hundreds of millions of dollars a month in a
country where gas is 1.25$/gal for the locals. Look at the current
housing/energy/credit as well as our standing in the world and see what their
stewardship has brought us. I'm sure our senators have already received a
nice campaign check from said oil companies they held hands with.
Right-Side | 8:23 a.m. July 2, 2008
Since you are so against the democrat agenda, let me ask this of those of you
opposed to Government interaction. What about all of the landowners in Eastern
Utah who will not have a say if someone drills on their property. This
isn't just a public land issue, there are large amounts of shale on private
land that the land owners won't have a say in how it's used because of
split-estate leases. Really, get your info. correct before you just blame the
left--it's not about that--it's about oil companies wanting the power
without regulation.
Here we go again.. | 8:24 a.m. July 2, 2008
with the guilt ridden left. But only when it comes to environmental issues.
'I feel so bad that we are using the earths resources. We should just leave them where their at, in the ground'. New flash, The earth is here for man to use. The earth should not be worshiped like its God.
'I feel so bad that we are using the earths resources. We should just leave them where their at, in the ground'. New flash, The earth is here for man to use. The earth should not be worshiped like its God.
lynn | 8:34 a.m. July 2, 2008
when is Congress going to get serious about the monopoly and price fixing (both
highly illegal) that are going on in the oil industry?
And make no mistake, you can thank American oil companies for the price at the pump. These greedy
monopolies are filling their pockets with your hard-earned dollars.
Ever since the invention of the internal combustion engine, there have been inventions of less oil- dependent fuels and higher efficiency models of cars, which have been bought out by these same American oil companies and car manufacturers, for the express purpose of blocking their development and use in the general market.
Now big oil wants to grind beautiful Utah into dust.
Do you think you're going to pay less for fuel because it comes from Utah? Think again.
There are so many ways to get around the use of oil!
There are new alternatives every day!
It isn't the so-called liberals who are causing the problem. You can look to American oil companies and their astronomical obscene profit taking if you want the cause of prices of everything going up.
They should be taking some if not most of that profit to develop alternatives to oil.
And make no mistake, you can thank American oil companies for the price at the pump. These greedy
monopolies are filling their pockets with your hard-earned dollars.
Ever since the invention of the internal combustion engine, there have been inventions of less oil- dependent fuels and higher efficiency models of cars, which have been bought out by these same American oil companies and car manufacturers, for the express purpose of blocking their development and use in the general market.
Now big oil wants to grind beautiful Utah into dust.
Do you think you're going to pay less for fuel because it comes from Utah? Think again.
There are so many ways to get around the use of oil!
There are new alternatives every day!
It isn't the so-called liberals who are causing the problem. You can look to American oil companies and their astronomical obscene profit taking if you want the cause of prices of everything going up.
They should be taking some if not most of that profit to develop alternatives to oil.
Steve | 8:42 a.m. July 2, 2008
I have asked this question before with no response. I want a liberal or a
Democrat to tell me at what point you will say drill now, drill here.
Is it 10 dollars per gallon when you can no longer afford to go to the grocery store and when you pay 5 bucks for 6 m&m's in a bag or $20 bucks for a half gallon of ice cream. And those ugly deserts are no longer looked at because no one can aford to visit the barron desert that no one uses anyways.
What is your breaking point? I read an article that estimates that 67% believe we should start drilling in ANWR and off the coast NOW.
If you say that we should not drill at any cost and that THEY should find alternatives. Let me ask you who THEY are. It is not the government. The private sector always comes up with the ideas and then the government jumps on it. Democrats and liberals always think the government has all the answers. I like Obamas last idea. Lets change the presidential seal. WOW. What an idea.
Is it 10 dollars per gallon when you can no longer afford to go to the grocery store and when you pay 5 bucks for 6 m&m's in a bag or $20 bucks for a half gallon of ice cream. And those ugly deserts are no longer looked at because no one can aford to visit the barron desert that no one uses anyways.
What is your breaking point? I read an article that estimates that 67% believe we should start drilling in ANWR and off the coast NOW.
If you say that we should not drill at any cost and that THEY should find alternatives. Let me ask you who THEY are. It is not the government. The private sector always comes up with the ideas and then the government jumps on it. Democrats and liberals always think the government has all the answers. I like Obamas last idea. Lets change the presidential seal. WOW. What an idea.
Drill You | 8:47 a.m. July 2, 2008
You want to conserve and get away from fossil fuels, fine, buy a horse and a
cart and leave the rest of us alone. You're living in a dream world if you
think there is something in the foreseeable future that is better than oil. If
it existed, �greedy corporations�
would already be selling it. Why is this issue all or nothing? Why
can�t we drill and develop domestically as well as invest
in alternatives? To Bombadil: I don�t find it ironic our
Senators did this show. I, as well as thousands of other Utahans, have been
hounding them relentlessly about this issue. Unlike some Republicans, these two
are listening to their constituents and trying something. A check from big oil
is no different than Pelosi getting checks from the various environmental
lobbyists out there. If it's legal, I could care less, they're just
playing the game we've allowed to develop.
RE;Here we go again | 8:48 a.m. July 2, 2008
Are you saying man is not capable of polluting the earth just because it's
here for man to use?. You should see my neighbors back yard. It's his to
use and it's a pig stye. Man can do the same thing with the earh. We are on
the very brink of technology to make oil almost obsolete. Why are we resisting
to push forward with it. Electric cars could be in every drive way if we really
wanted.
Bill Johnson | 8:50 a.m. July 2, 2008
"Big Oil" is intoxicated with raping the consumer. Developing new
product gives them greater staying power.
When will Congress say "enough?" Regulatory measures could foster greater competition among the companies.
It puzzles me that gas prices rise within pennies of each other among the various suppliers. Why can't one brand break ranks and govern itself independently of other companies?
When will Congress say "enough?" Regulatory measures could foster greater competition among the companies.
It puzzles me that gas prices rise within pennies of each other among the various suppliers. Why can't one brand break ranks and govern itself independently of other companies?
ike | 8:55 a.m. July 2, 2008
I love the "liberal" word thrown around like it was a curse word. I
wouldn't be too proud calling yourself conservative...after all you are the
bunch of noodle heads that elected this no-brain or heart having administration.
Alternate energy is the only way out of this spiraling inversion. Our
environment should be a top concern but it isn't, education should be right
up htere with health-care but it isn't, we seem to only care about oil and
celebrities...Americans are lazy, that is it in a nut-shell. We refuse to walk,
bicycle or take any pro-active stand. We want to whine and complain because that
is America. We care more about fashion than life. Get real, liberal or
conservative we are all people and we all have to breath, drink and eat the very
things we are polluting at an astronomical rate. Pull your head out of the
sand/shale; oil companies will not give up on screwing every American they can,
once our country falls, and it will fall, the rest of us will flail in our death
throws while big oil feasts on our flesh.
Steve Continued | 8:54 a.m. July 2, 2008
When the Government finally decided it was time to go to the Moon, they scraped
their program and hired NASA a civilian organization. Orrin Hatch and Bob
Bennett are saying to the government, get out of the way. Here are some private
companies willing to develop this and make it work, and put up there own money
at their own risk.
Democrats and Liberals say no, we trust our government to do it. Who in the government, or which branch of the government is going to develop new alternatives. WE DON"T HAVE A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN THE GOVERNMENT. We have the EPA, Department of Natural Resources, the Energy Department, ETC. but they don't do anything but regulate.
and while you sit and wait for THEM to do it, which will take THEM several years, what do we do in the mean time.
P.S. I haven't heard anything from Obama or McCain on any new alternatives because they don't have one.
Democrats and Liberals say no, we trust our government to do it. Who in the government, or which branch of the government is going to develop new alternatives. WE DON"T HAVE A RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN THE GOVERNMENT. We have the EPA, Department of Natural Resources, the Energy Department, ETC. but they don't do anything but regulate.
and while you sit and wait for THEM to do it, which will take THEM several years, what do we do in the mean time.
P.S. I haven't heard anything from Obama or McCain on any new alternatives because they don't have one.
Greg | 8:59 a.m. July 2, 2008
HUH? Lynn do you actually have any idea what you are talking about? Have you
been watching too much NBC News? Oil companies are not making big profits on
gas, they are making a majority of their profits from the exploration and
production of their Oil/Natural Gas wells. The price is set by speculators. When
was the last time you took a nice beautiful drive out in the vernal area? hmmm
ya there is nothing at all to look at out there so why not develop it. Lynn lets
say you own 5 oil wells would you be a nice person and sell your oil for $50 a
barrel to help out some guy around the corner or would you sell it at the market
price of $142 a barrel to help out your wallet, come on be honest.
hold on... | 9:04 a.m. July 2, 2008
Didn't anyone notice when the oil company guy said they might be ready to
actually do this in 5 to 10 years? Prices will still rise in the meantime, and I
would guess even after these sources are tapped. It's pretty clear that
when we are dealing with a finite resource, the only real solution is an
alternative source.
Re: Fragile Art Work? | 9:05 a.m. July 2, 2008
"Many of us are on the brink of losing our homes because we can not afford
any thing anymore. Every little thing starts adding up. Lets see Questar is
going to increase rates about 22% this winter, property taxes are up, food costs
more.... in short WE ARE SUFFERING!"
Ride a Bike
Buy a Wood Pellet burning stove ($200 for an entire winter in Northern New York) or better yet wear a jacket, I know it doesn't get that cold in Utah.
Eat less food- i'm not saying starve, but we are a glutnous country.
You are not suffering, you are merely being irresponsible or dumb. Quit crying, you are a typical republican: You want the government to be as little involved with your life until old man oil starts beating you up.
But after all- its the environmentalists fault right? We've been warned for a long time and if you are suffering now it is because you've had your eyes closed. Currently I make money in energy by giving renewable nrg back to the Power company- I listened.
wah wah wah, uncle sam mean old liberals are trying to save the planet while I waste it, wah wah wah
Ride a Bike
Buy a Wood Pellet burning stove ($200 for an entire winter in Northern New York) or better yet wear a jacket, I know it doesn't get that cold in Utah.
Eat less food- i'm not saying starve, but we are a glutnous country.
You are not suffering, you are merely being irresponsible or dumb. Quit crying, you are a typical republican: You want the government to be as little involved with your life until old man oil starts beating you up.
But after all- its the environmentalists fault right? We've been warned for a long time and if you are suffering now it is because you've had your eyes closed. Currently I make money in energy by giving renewable nrg back to the Power company- I listened.
wah wah wah, uncle sam mean old liberals are trying to save the planet while I waste it, wah wah wah
At least be consistent | 9:06 a.m. July 2, 2008
Utah's GOP senators are pushing increased production of oil shale on the
same day Utah's governor is pushing a hare-brained cap on carbon
emissions.
One would have to conclude they didn't even bother to discuss the issue with Governor Silver Spoon beforehand. Otherwise, this appears to be another depressing example of the Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths.
And then they have the gall to wonder why most of their base doesn't show up on election day.
One would have to conclude they didn't even bother to discuss the issue with Governor Silver Spoon beforehand. Otherwise, this appears to be another depressing example of the Republicans talking out of both sides of their mouths.
And then they have the gall to wonder why most of their base doesn't show up on election day.
Re: lynn | 9:11 a.m. July 2, 2008
Get real, the government has launched many investigations since the
70�s against oil companies and not one of them has ever
found evidence of collusion. The profit margin (around 9%) for domestic oil
companies is in line with historical averages, it�s not
their fault the world market drove oil to an obscene amount. As for the
monopoly argument, look up the percentage of the world oil market that U.S.
companies control and then get back to me. The amount is minimal. The
controlling factor belongs to OPEC and Russia. The idea that oil companies
bought out viable alternative technologies and are just sitting on them is
laughable. Anything one company created can be reversed engineered by another
company, it happens all the time in the technology industry (processors, video
chips, etc.), the pharmaceutical industry (Viagra and other like drugs) and
every other industry. Any first year business student understands that if you
come up with something, the race is on to get it to the market because great
ideas don�t sit around, they always leak out. Please keep
the conspiracy theories confined to Hollywood.
Re: ike | 9:24 a.m. July 2, 2008
It�s the greedy, fat, celebrity worshipping, bible thumping
Americans who are at fault. Thanks for that insight ike, your contribution to
the discussion was substantial, like breaking wind in the middle of a tornado.
Please refrain from throwing around the usual conservative stereotypes the next
time you throw your hat in the ring.
Anonymous | 9:26 a.m. July 2, 2008
The country needs to look at other energy alternatives besides fossil fuels.
Plus, Utah does not have enough water in state to support the transformation.
Spencer K. | 9:27 a.m. July 2, 2008
Do it now!
Fedup | 9:40 a.m. July 2, 2008
Guess what? The government makes WAY WAY more money from gas taxes than big oil
makes. You think big oil is rolling in the money, they must pay for getting
that gas to your gas station...the government just gets all it's money
without doing a thing. Even if the government lifts the moratorium on getting
oil from shale, they don't have to spend a penny to extract or refine it!
It's not the Bush administration, it's the Liberals and the
Environmentalists that are causing our gas prices to rise. Get real, people,
the USA needs to access our OWN resources, and the government should stop
putting up roadblocks. NOW!
James J. | 9:48 a.m. July 2, 2008
Re: Re: Fragile Are Work?
Why are you being so rude to people? Belittling them at every turn is not a solution to our countries energy problems. I like your comment about riding a bike. Does anyone know why people in Europe ride bikes and walk so much of the time, and we don�t? It�s because their cities are more condensed, not so spread out. It�s not efficient for us to rid bikes or walk. Lets all stop the, �I know everything� attitude, and the, �I know what is better for you then you do� and lets start working for solutions!!! I want renewable energy, I also want every other type of energy. Someone please explain to me why this is bad, tapping all energy sources? Not just a select few.
Why are you being so rude to people? Belittling them at every turn is not a solution to our countries energy problems. I like your comment about riding a bike. Does anyone know why people in Europe ride bikes and walk so much of the time, and we don�t? It�s because their cities are more condensed, not so spread out. It�s not efficient for us to rid bikes or walk. Lets all stop the, �I know everything� attitude, and the, �I know what is better for you then you do� and lets start working for solutions!!! I want renewable energy, I also want every other type of energy. Someone please explain to me why this is bad, tapping all energy sources? Not just a select few.
Cats | 9:53 a.m. July 2, 2008
I can see a few people around here could use a class in economics.
In any case, we need to develop any energy resources we have available to us. We need to do this in the most environmentally responsible way possible. These resources include, conservation, solar, wind, geothermal, oil shale, coal gasification, tar sands, oil drilling, nuclear and any other possibilities that exist. (By the way, I have a ranch with a house that is totally off-grid solar. I'm all for solar, but I'm not an idiot. I understand the realities of the world situation.)
As much as we can use renewable resources in an economically feasible way--that's FABULOUS! However, we need a bridge to until we can get there. That means we need immediate drilling and other forms of oil that can be exploited.
Our security depends on it. And for those of you who don't like war, (myself included) the fastest way to get to military action is if the western world can't get access to adequate energy. I don't want to see that happen. Let's be smart. Let's get off foreign fuels and live a peaceful, prosperous existance.
GO TAR SANDS, OIL SHALE, DRILLING AND NUCLEAR!!!!
In any case, we need to develop any energy resources we have available to us. We need to do this in the most environmentally responsible way possible. These resources include, conservation, solar, wind, geothermal, oil shale, coal gasification, tar sands, oil drilling, nuclear and any other possibilities that exist. (By the way, I have a ranch with a house that is totally off-grid solar. I'm all for solar, but I'm not an idiot. I understand the realities of the world situation.)
As much as we can use renewable resources in an economically feasible way--that's FABULOUS! However, we need a bridge to until we can get there. That means we need immediate drilling and other forms of oil that can be exploited.
Our security depends on it. And for those of you who don't like war, (myself included) the fastest way to get to military action is if the western world can't get access to adequate energy. I don't want to see that happen. Let's be smart. Let's get off foreign fuels and live a peaceful, prosperous existance.
GO TAR SANDS, OIL SHALE, DRILLING AND NUCLEAR!!!!
Anonymous | 9:53 a.m. July 2, 2008
Only in Utah would any politician feel comfortable standing arm-in-arm with big
oil executives!
I agree - Let's drill! | 9:56 a.m. July 2, 2008
I agree with most people on here. I believe that we should drill anywhere that
we can find oil. Hannity believes that we should even drill in Yellowstone or
Zions if there is cheap oil there, and I couldn't agree more! This is
hitting me in my wallet and I couldn't care less about "pretty
thing" to look at.
These progressives tell us that we can't drill in certain places because of bears, deer or birds might become extinct. Well I don't care about that! What I do care about is being able to get cheap gas to drive to the store, movies and stock car races on saturdays.
I think nature is ours to use in the way that we see fit. If that includes drilling through it to get oil, then so be it. I may not have a fancy degree or anything, but it makes perfect sense to me.
These progressives tell us that we can't drill in certain places because of bears, deer or birds might become extinct. Well I don't care about that! What I do care about is being able to get cheap gas to drive to the store, movies and stock car races on saturdays.
I think nature is ours to use in the way that we see fit. If that includes drilling through it to get oil, then so be it. I may not have a fancy degree or anything, but it makes perfect sense to me.
American | 9:56 a.m. July 2, 2008
If there had been liberals in New England in the 18th century, we would still be
paying tribute to the British crown and we never would have crossed the
Mississippi, because we might have damaged the prairie - and, heaven forbid, put
asphalt roads all over the place.
Sam | 9:58 a.m. July 2, 2008
This is not an either-or question. For the moment, our economy is based on
fossil fuels. Every product has an energy component to its production and
transportation. A rise in the price of that energy ripples through the economy
raising prices and causing economic dislocations. Exploration and development of
fossil fuel sources is imperative or we will see the cost of energy further
spiral upward with the concomitant damage to our economy. At the same time the
amount of fossil fuel is limited and demand is growing. We need to move forward
as quickly as possible with alternative fuel sources and conservation
techniques. The recent rapid rise in oil prices will help drive that push since
alternative energy can now more easily compete with fossil fuel sources. The
point is the solution is multi-pronged. Stop fighting and cooperate. Fossil
fuels can be recovered with minimal damage to the environment. Alternative fuel
sources need to be developed and brought on line. This problem has a solution
but partisan bickering will only slow the process.
John | 10:06 a.m. July 2, 2008
Amazing how angry an full of hate everyone is.
I can't ride a bike to work. Its too far, and who wants to work with someone who rode their bike twenty miles when its 105 degrees outside? Who can ride a bike, when there is a foot of snow on the roads. Shut up already about riding a bike as an alternative.
Next, shut up already about electricity being the alternative. Only idiots think electricity is a source of power. It has to be generated, and that takes power.
The mean oil companies are NOT making record profits based on percentage of sales. Walmart outdoes the mean old oil companies by percentages. Oil companies just sell a LOT of oil and gas.
What is the point in saving portions of a boring desert, that without transportation, no one can visit anyway, and that goes for ANWR.
Quit falling for the lies that it will take ten years to deliver. We went from airplanes, to the moon, in less time.
Oh, and please, by all means, let's use electricity because its cheap, until the power companies gain control, and then you will see how -cheap- electric becomes. Learn from the past.
I can't ride a bike to work. Its too far, and who wants to work with someone who rode their bike twenty miles when its 105 degrees outside? Who can ride a bike, when there is a foot of snow on the roads. Shut up already about riding a bike as an alternative.
Next, shut up already about electricity being the alternative. Only idiots think electricity is a source of power. It has to be generated, and that takes power.
The mean oil companies are NOT making record profits based on percentage of sales. Walmart outdoes the mean old oil companies by percentages. Oil companies just sell a LOT of oil and gas.
What is the point in saving portions of a boring desert, that without transportation, no one can visit anyway, and that goes for ANWR.
Quit falling for the lies that it will take ten years to deliver. We went from airplanes, to the moon, in less time.
Oh, and please, by all means, let's use electricity because its cheap, until the power companies gain control, and then you will see how -cheap- electric becomes. Learn from the past.
lowonoil | 10:09 a.m. July 2, 2008
I do not oppose energy development. But I do think people should be aware that
we have vastly inflated expectations of what it will do for us. Our original
conventional oil endowment was enormous as well as very cheap to extract, refine
and use. Those are the characteristics that allowed us to put large quantities
of it to trivial uses and enjoy the lifestyle we have lived for the last half
century.
Whatever energy source we use to take it's place will be produced at low rates at great difficulty and expense. We will have to learn to use it much more frugally than we are accustomed to. Our cheap energy fantasies will remain unfulfilled and we will do what we have to do to cope in the real future that we will be living in instead.
Whatever energy source we use to take it's place will be produced at low rates at great difficulty and expense. We will have to learn to use it much more frugally than we are accustomed to. Our cheap energy fantasies will remain unfulfilled and we will do what we have to do to cope in the real future that we will be living in instead.
i-survived-roe-v-wade | 10:12 a.m. July 2, 2008
Is is that hard? Drill & produce new kinds of energy sources. Why does it
have to be one or the other? We should produce in any way, shape or form and
continue to look for renewable energy sources.
Cats | 10:14 a.m. July 2, 2008
TO SAM: RIGHT ON! I can see Sam is someone who understands the issue and has a
reasonable approach.
Let's move forward in a responsible way. We need immediate drilling, oil shale, tar sands, coal gasification and nuclear along with every other alternative source possible.
Let's get together and do it all!
Let's move forward in a responsible way. We need immediate drilling, oil shale, tar sands, coal gasification and nuclear along with every other alternative source possible.
Let's get together and do it all!
CNG | 10:15 a.m. July 2, 2008
There is one solution which we can all implement immediately. CNG is a viable
and extremely cheap (63 cents a gallon in Utah) alternative to fossil fuels for
powering vehicles. We are swimming in natural gas in Utah so none of the revenue
goes overseas. Also, my CNG powered truck pollutes less than any non-CNG vehicle
on the road. So CNG is a very environmentally friendly solution. CNG vehicles
are readily available at KSL.com classifieds or by conversion. There is some
inconvenience. There are not as many CNG filling stations as we would like. But
if you are seriously green or you want to break the hold of the middle east and
the oil companies on your wallet, CNG is a very attractive solution. I feel a
great satisfaction every time I fill my tank both from a cost standpoint and
knowing that my money will stay in Utah. If you are serious about your beliefs
and not just full of hot air then check it out buy a CNG vehicle or convert the
one you have. Then volunteer to drive for the carpool.
Jud | 10:15 a.m. July 2, 2008
This is for Mormons. In Mormon 8, the prophet says "I have seen your day .
. . vapors of smoke . . . great pollutions upon the face of the earth." As
LDS we should be first in line to vote for a Manhattan Project to produce
alternative fuels (the Obama approach). Hydrogen cars are already on the show
floors in Japan. Why choke ourselves on death gases when the prophets and the
scientists are telling us we're crazy?
Re: American | 10:23 a.m. July 2, 2008
Read up on your US history, if the founding fathers weren't extreemly
liberal we would still be under british rule.
obama Republican | 10:30 a.m. July 2, 2008
You know it is sad that time is repeating itself. In the late 70s these same
arguments were tossed around. Oil sands, Tar sands, cleand burning coal.
Americans are so reactionaring in thougt. We only can see the end of our noses. Oil is not the answer to our problems!
Every President since Nixon has promised to break our oil Addiction. Nothing has been or will be done if Mccain is elected.
Everyone needs to cut their own consumption, stop buying huge gas guzzlers, and realize we are all in this together.
Cost are high now, but watch, OPEC will start to pump more and more and bring costs of oil down. Opec is a cartel and wants to sell as much as possible without hurting demand. If real alternatives surface, Oil supplies will jump and prices will go down.
OPEC will do what ever it takes to kill off alternatives. Mark my words, Once this crisis ends, all the calls for New Forms of Energy will die.
Americans are so reactionaring in thougt. We only can see the end of our noses. Oil is not the answer to our problems!
Every President since Nixon has promised to break our oil Addiction. Nothing has been or will be done if Mccain is elected.
Everyone needs to cut their own consumption, stop buying huge gas guzzlers, and realize we are all in this together.
Cost are high now, but watch, OPEC will start to pump more and more and bring costs of oil down. Opec is a cartel and wants to sell as much as possible without hurting demand. If real alternatives surface, Oil supplies will jump and prices will go down.
OPEC will do what ever it takes to kill off alternatives. Mark my words, Once this crisis ends, all the calls for New Forms of Energy will die.
Anonymous | 11:00 a.m. July 2, 2008
It's funny when people go on about how "WE" need to get "OUR" oil out of the ground as if all this oil will be earmarked for US consumption and not sold on the global market to the highest bidder.
The price of gas won't go down a cent. Conservatives destroyed the dollar, started a stupid war in the middle east, and ruined the american brand and now think they can blame everything on environmentalists.
Haven't you people done enough to this country.
Cats | 11:01 a.m. July 2, 2008
to Re: American: Read up on YOUR US history! Liberal meant something quite
different then than it does now!
Ross | 11:01 a.m. July 2, 2008
This is not the first time that oil from tar sands has been proposed in Utah.
The problem in the past has been that the profitability of such a venture could
not be realized with gas under $1.00 a gallon. Now we are around $4.00 a gallon,
might just work now. The earth is full there is enough and to spare.
lowonoil | 11:06 a.m. July 2, 2008
No, Obama Republican, OPEC will not pump more oil. Not because it doesn't
want to, but because it can't. OPEC is drilling and installing
infrastructure at a frantic pace just to compensate for the loss of production
from it's existing developments due to depletion. It is running as hard as
it can to stand still, and soon that won't be enough. It's production
will begin to fall.
This is bad news for everybody, but especially for those who do not believe it will happen and do nothing to prepare for it.
The definitive book on this subject, "Twilight in the Desert", was written by Matthew Simmons, a good republican former energy advisor to the president who grew up in Kaysville.
This is bad news for everybody, but especially for those who do not believe it will happen and do nothing to prepare for it.
The definitive book on this subject, "Twilight in the Desert", was written by Matthew Simmons, a good republican former energy advisor to the president who grew up in Kaysville.
Marie Devine | 11:17 a.m. July 2, 2008
When we seek God's will, we will turn from going after riches. God comes
to destroy the wicked who are destroying the earth. God has solutions to world
problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.
The goal in life is not employment. The goal is retirement in a garden paradise that we can create here and now. If we pray for God's kingdom now, God can raise up someone into the presidency that can help us establish His written word as the law of the land. He said that when He comes God's law will be the only law; we must want it or we will not get it.
Our manufacturing and transporting goods is polluting our world even if we could get all the oil and energy from the shale. Tell your candidates and leaders to head toward the freedom of producing our needs in our communities.
The retirement lifestyle in a garden paradise has landscaping and pets useful for producing fresh food for healthy bodies. This solves world problems of pollution, global-warming, disease, wars, energy and food crisis, immigration and inequality. Isaiah 2:4 "They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks..": GARDEN PARADISE
The goal in life is not employment. The goal is retirement in a garden paradise that we can create here and now. If we pray for God's kingdom now, God can raise up someone into the presidency that can help us establish His written word as the law of the land. He said that when He comes God's law will be the only law; we must want it or we will not get it.
Our manufacturing and transporting goods is polluting our world even if we could get all the oil and energy from the shale. Tell your candidates and leaders to head toward the freedom of producing our needs in our communities.
The retirement lifestyle in a garden paradise has landscaping and pets useful for producing fresh food for healthy bodies. This solves world problems of pollution, global-warming, disease, wars, energy and food crisis, immigration and inequality. Isaiah 2:4 "They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks..": GARDEN PARADISE
Re:Steve | 8:42 a.m | 11:43 a.m. July 2, 2008
"I want a liberal or a Democrat to tell me at what point you will say drill now, drill here.
Is it 10 dollars per gallon when you can no longer afford to go to the grocery store.."
I'll give you a response: why does everyone assume that extracting more oil here will make the price go down? Oil companies charge what they charge because they CAN, we are willing to pay their prices, no matter how much they raise them. If they can drill closer to home, and save money doing so, it seems nice to believe they'd pass those savings onto the consumer, but why is this assumed? Why would the oil companies EVER lower prices if we're still willing to pay higher? If we didn't NEED gas, then we wouldnt be as willing to pay their prices, then they'd lose business, then they'd lower prices. The only way to lower prices is to create ALTERNATIVES.. Drilling in ANWR, oil shale, all of that is going to have NO effect on gas prices.
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