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Published: Tuesday, July 1 2008 5:09 p.m. MDT

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I'm so...

happy with this historical moment in seeing UVSC becoming UVU. I was in their Aviation Program a few years back. Do they still have the program or is it going yonder hills with this change?

stephen

It was a great morning for UVU and all that attended. Elizabeth captured the emotions of the morning and shows why she is a qualified writer for the Deseret News.

So....

....now that we've had the LDS Church bless a state institution, are they going to be checking religious histories for future students?

Darin

I hate to rain on the parade, but....as one who has made a life-long career in higher education, as a Utah taxpayer, and as a native son of Utah county, I have to say that I find it offensive to have any religious leader "bless" UVU as part of the official state ceremony. With all due respect to President Monson as the leader of my church, he is not a state official and has no business praying for the institution in a public ceremony. UVU exists to serve all residents of the state of Utah, including those who do not share the beliefs of our predominant religion. Public prayer in a state ceremony is in bad taste and disrespectful. It's all too reminiscent of the unease I felt in first grade when my poor Jehovah Witness friends had to endure our Mormon morning prayers. Keep it in private where it doesn't offend.

Todd

Sorry, Darin, I don't understand your taking offense.

I was at a ceremony once in Roosevelt to honor a woman who had done a service to the Ute tribe. The opening prayer was given by a Shoshone woman--in English, but it was a Shoshone prayer. Neither I, nor, I think, was anyone else there offended, though a majority were probably LDS.

When I was young (a jillion years ago) if you were from Utah County and were going to college you probably went to BYU. Some non-LDS didn't, but then a few LDS didn't either. Now, with BYU's access more and more restricted, I think it's a great thing to make UVSC into UVU--we need it here. And since the vast majority of the population is LDS, I don't see any offense in Pres Monson offering a prayer. Then again, I wouldn't be offended if President Sederberg's pastor offered the prayer instead.

How is prayer a bad thing?

Cory

I'm with Darin on this one and I consider myself a good LDS person.

If prayer offends

If prayer offends others, it is their problem. This country was founded with God at its head, it is our history, it hopefully better be our future. President Monson is the most prominent religious man in this state, we see prominent religious leaders in all sorts of gatherings all over this country, not just in Utah. Darin, drop the politically correct crap, non-Mormons in Utah know what they are getting themselves into when they move here, if they don't like it there are fortunately 49 other possibilities for them.

What happened at UVU today was very appropriate, very expected and very American.

good grief

i realize that UVU is in the midst of Moromondom, but why does the Mormon Church have to bless it? It is a state university after all. Can't the LDS hierearchy take a back seat just once? It's not like the Mormon ratio in Utah County is going to fall below 85% tomorrow. Give it a rest. You'll gain more credibility by doing so.

Sandra

Like someone else said on one of the other D.News blogs, It's usually LDS bashing LDS. And then you people have the nerve to call each other "Anti's because you cannot agree with everything the church teaches or it's confusing doctrine. You people are funny!
As for me, I think public prayer is just fine. I do not have a problem with prayer of any kind, because most of my prayers have always been answered in one way or another.

To If Prayer Offends

Your comments are unfortunately typical for an LDS person from Utah.

You seem to think that LDS folks were here from teh beginning of time, and that anyone who isn't LDS came long after.

Reality check time...there are many people who were BORN here who aren't LDS. Of course, there were people here long before Brigham and his band showed up, and they weren't LDS.

Part of the problem with allowing LDS leaders to offer prayers is their lack of understanding of other's. Listen to someone who is LDS give a prayer, it always ends "In the name of Jesus Christ". Guess what, far more people in the world DON'T revere Jesus than do.

Sadly those who are LDS (and there are exceptions to this) have proven time and time again that they put themselves, and their religious beliefs above those of anyone else. In a public setting, that's not acceptable.

Those who constantly say that this country was founded with God at it's head seem to forget that those who founded the country were in part fleeing religious domination. Having a single religion represented at something like this is not what this country was built on.

The vast majority...

...is LDS so no one else should get a say?

And people wonder why Utah gets laughed at so often.

Sadly too many people in this state seem to think that only the opinion and beliefs of the majority are worth protecting.

You ask how prayer is a bad thing....well, how is not praying a bad thing?

Gary

So is the offense to a prayer being offered, or is it because Monson offered it? Like others have said, why would anyone take offense? It wouldn't bother me at all if anyone of any religious affiliation offered the dedicatory prayer. for those of you who are so against prayer in public settings, doesn't the U S Senate open with prayer every morning? You know, prayer realy does take place in this country.

RE: If prayer offends

"If prayer offends others, it is their problem....if
they don't like it [here], there are fortunately 49 other possibilities for them."

I imagine God, who appears to be at the head of this country, would have retorted in like manner...

If you object

If you object to the prayer, I suggest you write to those who chose the program. Pres. Monson was invited to say the prayer. It would have been rude and an affront to decline. If you have a legitimate complaint, take it to the source instead of just blowing off steam. Unless you don't really want change.

re: If you object

Thank you for bringing that out. I was about to say the same thing. People act like the Church bullied their way in to say the prayer. He was invited to be there by the school. The school recognizes his importance to the community and to the world.

When I was going to grad school at University of Massachusetts, graduation was accompanied with a prayer given by a local Catholic priest. And even though I am not Catholic, it didn't offend me in the least.

People have taken this concept of seperation of church and state to a new low. It seems like some won't be satisfied utnil the make religious people second class citizens -- unworthy to participate in anything related to the state.

John Lambert

To Darin,
I have no clue why Jehovah's Witnesses would have problems with your morning prayers. Now if you had done the plege of alligance, showing fealty to an idol, now that would have bothered them.
Personally I do not agree with the Jehovah's Witnesses on the issue of the plege of allegiance, but I doubt they were very much your friends if you so misunderstood their position. My point is you assume that religion offends, when in fact to Jehovah's Witnesses it is secularism that offends most often.
If you do not want people calling down the blessings of the Lord on UVU it is your right, go and pray to God to withhold his blessings. However, their was no sectarianism in President Monson's prayer.
Ideas should be exchanged in the open.

John Lambert

No one has said that non-LDS should have no say. It is time for people to start respecting our right to close prayers in the name of Jesus Christ. He is our Lord and are Savior and no one comes to the father except by him.
I guess I should be encoraged because people are attacking us for being followers of Jesus Christ.

Prayer around the world

Such narrowed minds on both sides. Go to NY to a public meeting it's always got a Jewish or Catholic priest blessing involved. Go to Congress, it has prayers every morning, the assigned religious leader prays in the style and form fitting they're beliefs. Go to most colleges many have locker room prayers, and virtually all have dedicatory prayers on new buildings. Utah is not special in this regard, nor is the fact that the areas majority religion presides. This is the tradition of surprise everywhere else on the planet.

Do you think for a second that anything happens in Pakistan without the clerics involvement, do you think they publicly recognize the Christian God?
Try getting anything done in Ohio or Iowa without a Protestant. Try doing anything in Georgia without Evangelicals or Southern Baptists the list goes on and on. We live in a world where religion dominates and the dominant religion controls much. Utah seems obsessed with political correctness, and unrelenting self-loathing. If more of you would get out and experience the world you might be surprised to learn it's very much like where you are only the names and power brokers change.

Bimbo

I suggest if there if a prayer in the public to be given, why not take your ear plugs with you and use them? This way you won't have to be offended by what you hear. I'm surprised that anyone in or out of the church would really even give a darn if a prayer was given or not... Who cares? Why don't some of you people grow up!

Tory

Do you LDS even try to get along with your own members? What a bunch of grumpy grumbling Mormons. Hey! perhaps you folks need to start by praying for change in your own personal life style, so that you aren't so bitter and grumpy all the time. Perhaps try praying that you can accept others for being different and not believing in all your baloney. And so what if the Mormon prophet gave a prayer? Isn't that what most prophets do best, is to pray?

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