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Narrow minded | 4:41 a.m. June 26, 2008
It is coming one way or another and those fighting it sure should use your
leverage to get what is best and I am not sure looking from the outside that you
really are, but hey SL people think the are superior and more correct than the
rest of the state now, So Wal-mart good luck you won't get what you want
and neither will they and you both will ... where as a little compromise would
benifit both.
awesomeron | 4:45 a.m. June 26, 2008
Wal-Mart is Big, Wal- Mart is Non Union, Wal-Mart takes up a lot of space.
Wal-Mart is Retail, Wal-Mart is Open on Sunday everywhere it can be. Wal-Mart
closes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years. If I was not a small department
store, selling over priced poor quality stuff to small communities or Indians on
the Reservations. Then I would have No Fear of Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart gave my Son a
chance after 2 years of unemployment. So far it has worked out well. He is Off
on Sunday, Makes his meetings and has paid his tithe and along with his Mother
has been to the Temple. We will go to Laie together the next time he visits me.
I will cry. Him not much of a surprise, his mom, I still can't wrap my mind
around that. I would be Happy being in Wal-Marts Wake as a Business Owner. If
they get 10,000 Customers a day and I get 100 because they are there, as opposed
to 2 because there not. Then I am happy. If they are so bad then why when they
hire are there 10 people lined up for every one job. To Include Hawaii.
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Ronald A. Young | 4:57 a.m. June 26, 2008
I don't get it! If a K-Mart (Sears) is already there, then why the problem.
Except the Wal-Mart might have more Customers, Better Customer Service, Better
Quality goods, more selection, the employees might smile and you might be
convinced their happy. I don't shop K-Mart for the above mentioned reasons.
Also in Hawaii they where Open on Christmas Day and Thanksgiving. Which if your
store is open on those days, if I can avoid it, I won't shop in the store
ever. The only thing I regret about Wal-Mart is that I did not buy their Stock
years ago. Other then that Thank you Mr. Walton. Same with Microsoft thank you
Mr. Gates and Mr. Allen.
Anonymous | 5:42 a.m. June 26, 2008
where I live in Texas, Wal Mart forced a new store, with lots of law suits.
Finally this behemoth of a store opened. It had horrible effects on all the
stores around it. The area was built out and we had 3 grocers and 3 nice strip
malls around them. Many have now closed, others are struggling and now the area
looks depressed. There just wasn't enough business to sustain all of them.
But the new Wal Mart Superstore over powers the entire area. It was a sad day
when it opened. But so many people don't realize the consequences of
allowing it to come in and destroy the area. Now with so many closed stores and
and empty spaces we look like a blighted town, not a thriving neighborhood.
I am not against having a wal mart in the area, just make sure they aren't going to Destroy the area around it.
I am not against having a wal mart in the area, just make sure they aren't going to Destroy the area around it.
Just say "No" | 5:54 a.m. June 26, 2008
I'm in Indiana. Recently, Wal-mart tried to build the same type storefront
in the upscale small town of Zionsville. The town is made up of quaint old
houses and shops and W.M. thought that redesigning their storefront would
placate the residents. They were wrong. The town council voted it down and now
Wal-mart is suing the town. It is a mystery to me why the company even wants to
locate in that area. The incomes of most residents are six figure and
there's another Wal-mart just a couple of miles to the south of the area.
It's almost as if the company doesn't like to be told "No, we
don't want you".
The best way to maintain the integrity of a community is to support locally owned shops and businesses. That way more of the money stays in the community. Also, locally owned merchants are much more likely to care whether you are happy with a transaction. The clerks at the big box stores I sometimes must shop rarely even utter a word or give a nod of the head to you. I can't figure out why anyone would even want a Wal-mart in their community.
The best way to maintain the integrity of a community is to support locally owned shops and businesses. That way more of the money stays in the community. Also, locally owned merchants are much more likely to care whether you are happy with a transaction. The clerks at the big box stores I sometimes must shop rarely even utter a word or give a nod of the head to you. I can't figure out why anyone would even want a Wal-mart in their community.
Anonymous | 5:59 a.m. June 26, 2008
one way to ensure Walmarts do not continue to build new
stores is to quit supporting them. there is many other options for the same merchandise and often and better prices and much better quality.
stores is to quit supporting them. there is many other options for the same merchandise and often and better prices and much better quality.
Bob G | 6:14 a.m. June 26, 2008
Once a master plan is established and implemented there should not be any
changes. It affects many future plans and causes more harm and grief for all
concerned. Cities should not be allowed to rezone or change master plans of any
communtiy. Giving preferential treatment to big money developement is counter to
citizens rights and demands. Bribery is still illegal and city councils are
elected to represent citizens, not cities. Citizens have preferential rights
regardless of faint promisses by developers and commercial business. The cities
look at this as more tax base so lets get the state legislators to take sales
taxes away from the cities and put in the state general funds to be distributed
to cities by request and city needs. Government belongs to the people, not
cities or developers. These eye sores of WalMart in residential communities is
an obnoxious and unwanted business. It devalues private residential property
when these eye sores are set in place as they become over developed and not
conducive to existing roads and abilities to withstand excessive traffic. The
people voice are more powerful than the whims of city leaders in their greed and
bribery lifestyles.
MADE IN THE USA | 6:18 a.m. June 26, 2008
I would be just fine if there were more Walmarts if Walmart did one thing- STOP
BUYING CRAP FROM CHINA AND DEMAND EVERYTHING IN THIER STORES ARE
MADE IN THE USA!
I am a business major and I understand quite well that the prices of goods would go up dramatically if we only had access to made in america goods, but guess what we are only cheating ourselves right now.
No serious economy can hope to survive on service industries also, there must be production of quality, superior goods that are desirable.
So guess what... I'd rather benenfit the USAW with a strong US Dollar by only being able to buy 2 shirts a year because they are made in the USA instead of 20 shirts a year that were made in Vietnam, China, etc.
Many years ago Walmart used to proudly say that they carried Made in the USA materials. But then something happenend...everyone got greedy to get more business. Since they go no longer differiantiate in other ways some thought that price would be the ticket. Well they were right. Walmart stores are crowded all the time. The price is right...but it is killing the US ECONOMY!
MADE IN THE USA!
I am a business major and I understand quite well that the prices of goods would go up dramatically if we only had access to made in america goods, but guess what we are only cheating ourselves right now.
No serious economy can hope to survive on service industries also, there must be production of quality, superior goods that are desirable.
So guess what... I'd rather benenfit the USAW with a strong US Dollar by only being able to buy 2 shirts a year because they are made in the USA instead of 20 shirts a year that were made in Vietnam, China, etc.
Many years ago Walmart used to proudly say that they carried Made in the USA materials. But then something happenend...everyone got greedy to get more business. Since they go no longer differiantiate in other ways some thought that price would be the ticket. Well they were right. Walmart stores are crowded all the time. The price is right...but it is killing the US ECONOMY!
Doodles | 6:18 a.m. June 26, 2008
Wally World world wide.
Enough Already!!! | 7:18 a.m. June 26, 2008
I dont get it someone help me out. What the heck is the difference between an
old decunct relic like K Mart and a brand new upddate Wal-Mart going to do with
your quant little area of Salt Lake? Let me help you out, it will look better
and take an anused space in your city and make it more vibrant. The area
surrounding this store has several nice homes scatterd throughout the
neighborhood but lets not kid ourselves there are a lot of smaller scale and
unnattractive ones too. Seemingly the only nice ones are the tear down rebuild
type or the remodels. So dont fear your Suburu driving, yuppie, neighborhood
will not look any worse than it does and in-fact might improve some.
I laugh because the same people that oppose will end up shopping their guaranteed. Afterall they can't get all of their needs at Whole Foods!
I laugh because the same people that oppose will end up shopping their guaranteed. Afterall they can't get all of their needs at Whole Foods!
Master Plans | 7:30 a.m. June 26, 2008
Bob G., I certainly hope that communities will continually look at their master
plans to ensure that they truly fit the goals and desires of the community.
Certainly a master plan from 1950 wouldn't fit the a community in 2008. It
is pretty naive to think that leaders and community members can predict what
will happen in their community in perpetuity.
With that being said, I do not shop at Wal-Mart, I do not support their business practices. I would rather not see another Wal-Mart in my community, but in this case they are coming whether you like it or not. They will occupy the current storefront OR they will build a new store. Those are the choices, I would prefer a new building.
With that being said, I do not shop at Wal-Mart, I do not support their business practices. I would rather not see another Wal-Mart in my community, but in this case they are coming whether you like it or not. They will occupy the current storefront OR they will build a new store. Those are the choices, I would prefer a new building.
Ssn | 7:48 a.m. June 26, 2008
After studying Wal-Mart and their tactics, I'll never set foot inside one
again as long as I live. They are absolutely evil: against their employees,
against the environment, against communities, on and on. In the few months that
I actually shopped at a local Wal-Mart, I can see why people go there--yes,
their prices are lower, but at what cost? There are people in China making
pennies an hour, living in ghetto-like housing, to make Wal-Mart's cheap
stuff. Local small business communities are dying. You and I are paying for
Wal-Mart employees' Medicaid and other welfare because they're paid
such low wages. This is a slick, sick corporation.
your crazy | 8:14 a.m. June 26, 2008
People who feel that walmart hurts local companies are crazy. You show me an
area where walmart has hurt. Every where walmart goes in brings more stores to
the area. Have you ever notice the many stores surrounding walmarts? Take a
look around sometime. Check out the business sections of cities and you will see
a walmart plus target and many other stores. Show me where small companies have
closed because of walmart. They haven't.
Dave | 8:19 a.m. June 26, 2008
You know what, whiners? It's coming. Like it or not.
You know what else? People will shop there. You KNOW it's true. Happens everywhere.
You can either choose to engage them in the process, getting some concessions in terms of size, appearance, landscaping, etc. Or not. But you won't be able to change the rules in midstream now that they've filed their application for a license.
Centerville's vocal residents didn't want one either. But the city council couldn't stop it. So they worked with them and got one that, in all fairness, doesn't suck, at least from what I've seen. But the most ardent Wally-hater I work with even admits it. (I don't go regularly, there's a decent store literally across the street from me.)
If you won't work with them, you'll get what you deserve. You'll get something you hate even more. That's what refusal to compromise does.
You know what else? People will shop there. You KNOW it's true. Happens everywhere.
You can either choose to engage them in the process, getting some concessions in terms of size, appearance, landscaping, etc. Or not. But you won't be able to change the rules in midstream now that they've filed their application for a license.
Centerville's vocal residents didn't want one either. But the city council couldn't stop it. So they worked with them and got one that, in all fairness, doesn't suck, at least from what I've seen. But the most ardent Wally-hater I work with even admits it. (I don't go regularly, there's a decent store literally across the street from me.)
If you won't work with them, you'll get what you deserve. You'll get something you hate even more. That's what refusal to compromise does.
Kmart | 8:19 a.m. June 26, 2008
Is a horrible sight. This new Walmart is right off of the freeway. Not much
traffic will be flowing through neighborhoods unless you and your neighbors are
driving to Walmart. Most of the traffic will come off from I-215 or I-80 and not
once driving through a neighborhood. Parleys drive is also a large street.
Suffering from NIMBY | 8:22 a.m. June 26, 2008
Typical of the elistists and their not-in-my-back-yard attitude. Build all of
the common shopping centers in the backyards of someone who is less affluent and
less politically-connected.
Those types of people don't appreciate the upscale living standards that we enjoy, so what's a little more traffic to them?
If the same sized project was a collection of upscale boutiques, they would have no problem with it being built in their cozy little neighborhood.
Those types of people don't appreciate the upscale living standards that we enjoy, so what's a little more traffic to them?
If the same sized project was a collection of upscale boutiques, they would have no problem with it being built in their cozy little neighborhood.
and... | 8:23 a.m. June 26, 2008
I forgot to add that you already have a lot of traffic up on the East side due
to University of Utah travel. Next you guys will try and get them to close their
doors.
Southern California | 8:23 a.m. June 26, 2008
I wish we could have a Super Wal-Mart here. There is no land for such a big
store. So when I go to Utah, that's a favorite place to go.
Spending my dollars elsewhere | 8:27 a.m. June 26, 2008
I wail and gnash my teeth every time I see another Walmart built. Because of
their size, buying power, and ability to buy cheap stuff from China by the
boatload, they definitely have an impact on local small businesses. That said I
agree that if they weren't making money at these stores, they would not
keep building them. I make a point to shop elsewhere for 99% of my retail
needs. I confess to buying my new favorite DVD at $14.99 when everybody else
has it at $19.99, hey, I'm not perfect. If you don't like Walmart,
don't shop there. There are plenty of other options.
a couple of replies | 8:28 a.m. June 26, 2008
To Just Say "No": I don't know why WalMart puts stores
everywhere they do, but they have a tremendous track record of opening stores
where there is a demand for them, so if we're going to pit their business
decision against your intuition, I'll go with them, every time.
To Made in the USA: You must be a pretty inattentive business major, or else you have been taking too many classes from the Marxist Economics professors at the U, because not only would the price go up if we only had access to American goods, but the quality would go down. Competition gives consumers the proper mix of price and quality. Without competition, price goes up and quality goes down, because if there are fewer competitors, there are fewer people to take away my customers if I only offer lousy products.
In the end, WalMart does tremendously well because they can offer the same products at a lower price. If you think you are mad at WalMart for putting other stores out of business, here's a reality check - you are really mad at the public for demanding lower prices, which apparently doesn't fit with your world view.
To Made in the USA: You must be a pretty inattentive business major, or else you have been taking too many classes from the Marxist Economics professors at the U, because not only would the price go up if we only had access to American goods, but the quality would go down. Competition gives consumers the proper mix of price and quality. Without competition, price goes up and quality goes down, because if there are fewer competitors, there are fewer people to take away my customers if I only offer lousy products.
In the end, WalMart does tremendously well because they can offer the same products at a lower price. If you think you are mad at WalMart for putting other stores out of business, here's a reality check - you are really mad at the public for demanding lower prices, which apparently doesn't fit with your world view.
Anonymous | 8:29 a.m. June 26, 2008
"If a K-Mart (Sears) is already there, then why the problem. Except the
Wal-Mart might have more Customers, Better Customer Service, Better Quality
goods, more selection, the employees might smile and you might be convinced
their happy."
- Have you actually ever been to a Wal-mart? They are basically giant dumpsters full of inferior garbage. The non-union employees who work there are not treated well enough to care about their jobs or the customers they serve. They attract no one but rude, trashy people. They are the poster-child for the ills of suburban sprawl. I began boycotting the company 2 years ago. I don't go to Wal-mart, Sam's Club, or anywhere else associated with that filth. So far, it's been the best decision I've ever made. I might pay a little more for groceries than you do, but the peace I get from avoiding that place is priceless.
- Have you actually ever been to a Wal-mart? They are basically giant dumpsters full of inferior garbage. The non-union employees who work there are not treated well enough to care about their jobs or the customers they serve. They attract no one but rude, trashy people. They are the poster-child for the ills of suburban sprawl. I began boycotting the company 2 years ago. I don't go to Wal-mart, Sam's Club, or anywhere else associated with that filth. So far, it's been the best decision I've ever made. I might pay a little more for groceries than you do, but the peace I get from avoiding that place is priceless.
John C | 8:30 a.m. June 26, 2008
I seldom shop Wal Mart, but it is part of the free enterprise system, or what
use to be the free enterprise sytem. What is so hard to grasp a Wal-Mart or a
K-mart, it is still coming to that location.
Re: Awesome Ron | 8:30 a.m. June 26, 2008
Is it just me or does it seem like awesomeron had a stroke while writing his
post?
Free Enterprise | 8:37 a.m. June 26, 2008
Made in the USA confuses me. A business major? What is it about free
enterprise that leads people to speak about protectionism, etc. How does one
speak about free enterprise and protectionism in the same sentence? Made in the
USA readily admits such an attitude would dramatically increase prices. That is
the fundamental reason that free enterprise works.
John | 8:41 a.m. June 26, 2008
One time I went to Wal-mart and it was not that great.
Re: China | 8:42 a.m. June 26, 2008
"There are people in China making pennies an hour, living in ghetto-like
housing, to make Wal-Mart's cheap stuff."
Your argument sounds compasionate and logical, except for the fact that...
those same Chinese people would still be making pennies an hour, living in ghetto-like housing, only with less options for work, if it weren't for Wal-Mart and thousands of other companies who buy goods manufactured there.
The wages in developing countries are based on supply and demand, just like they are in developed countries. Lots of available labor with limited job opportunities equals lots of cheap labor (by our standards).
Your argument sounds compasionate and logical, except for the fact that...
those same Chinese people would still be making pennies an hour, living in ghetto-like housing, only with less options for work, if it weren't for Wal-Mart and thousands of other companies who buy goods manufactured there.
The wages in developing countries are based on supply and demand, just like they are in developed countries. Lots of available labor with limited job opportunities equals lots of cheap labor (by our standards).
Hollywood | 9:07 a.m. June 26, 2008
I'm not a big Wal-Mart supporter. I'm just as likely to buy something
from Penny's, Sears, Target or Macy's. But I do shop at Wal-Mart
occasionally and often compare merchandise and products on-line between the
various vendors.
To Ssn and others...just read labels. Do you see any mass-produced goods in any of the other stores that say "Made in the USA?" They're no different from Walmart. And look at the goods being offered by those small "Mom and Pop" stores. Most likely, most of what they offer is imported. Good luck finding much of anything that is made in the U.S. And even most of what is "assembled" here has mostly parts that are imported from China, India or some other third-world country.
So residents would rather have an abandoned K-Mart building, which I'm sure graffiti artists are tagging to their heart's content, instead of a new building and a business that will contribute millions in taxes and jobs to the community. Makes sense to me.
To Ssn and others...just read labels. Do you see any mass-produced goods in any of the other stores that say "Made in the USA?" They're no different from Walmart. And look at the goods being offered by those small "Mom and Pop" stores. Most likely, most of what they offer is imported. Good luck finding much of anything that is made in the U.S. And even most of what is "assembled" here has mostly parts that are imported from China, India or some other third-world country.
So residents would rather have an abandoned K-Mart building, which I'm sure graffiti artists are tagging to their heart's content, instead of a new building and a business that will contribute millions in taxes and jobs to the community. Makes sense to me.
Annoyed | 9:17 a.m. June 26, 2008
I am amazed at how illiterate most of the postings are. Can't people write
a paragraph anymore? Why don't you all sit down and figure out how to use
there, they're, and their properly? Why would anyone listen to your advice
when you write like morons?
Anonymous | 9:31 a.m. June 26, 2008
There are plenty of Wal-Mart Superstores in the Salt Lake and surrounding areas;
therefore, why do we need another Walmart Superstore? Let them build a
Superstore in Bejing, China.
Nebraska | 9:34 a.m. June 26, 2008
Our neighborhood recently lost a few law suits against Wal-Mart coming in next
to a residential area. People everywhere need to study the effects before they
agree to having Wal-Mart next to them.
Traffic has greatly increased, petty crime (shoplifting, vandalism) has increased, amount of litter blowing around has increased and oily water runoff from their huge parking lot has caused nasty environmentally sickning flooding (even before this spring's storms). The advertised increase in tax revenue has not been realized since the revenue from other stores in the area has dropped and the cost to the city for more police and more infrastructure maintenance has increased.
During our battle a few years ago, it came out that nearly 40% of all the stores owned or leased by Wal-Mart were vacant. This is their normal mode of operation to keep competition down. They will drive out competition with lower prices (because of higher quantity orders) and lower quality.
Study it out people and you may never enter a Wal-Mart again. Most of those who know run the other way. This is NOT the store that Sam Walton started. It is a greedy beast that cares nothing for anyone but themselves.
Traffic has greatly increased, petty crime (shoplifting, vandalism) has increased, amount of litter blowing around has increased and oily water runoff from their huge parking lot has caused nasty environmentally sickning flooding (even before this spring's storms). The advertised increase in tax revenue has not been realized since the revenue from other stores in the area has dropped and the cost to the city for more police and more infrastructure maintenance has increased.
During our battle a few years ago, it came out that nearly 40% of all the stores owned or leased by Wal-Mart were vacant. This is their normal mode of operation to keep competition down. They will drive out competition with lower prices (because of higher quantity orders) and lower quality.
Study it out people and you may never enter a Wal-Mart again. Most of those who know run the other way. This is NOT the store that Sam Walton started. It is a greedy beast that cares nothing for anyone but themselves.
Wilshire | 9:37 a.m. June 26, 2008
The issue is zoning. They want to rezone to commercial shopping which would
allow a whole shopping center on that property. They made it clear that the
only reason that they can't do a complete remodel and leave the zoning
alone is because Bentonville has limited the amount of money they can spend if
they fail on the rezone. This is a case of an international corporation
demanding that a city change their zoning and ordinances to accomodate them
rather than the corporation fitting into the community. When the store is no
longer viable, they will be gone without a backward glance, and their
"fresh, new store" will be rotting in the middle of a crumbling, weedy
parking lot. It would be just as wrong if it were Target or Smiths or ...? We
don't need more property upzoned to community shopping (think shopping
mall). Think of all the new retail in the works (City Center, Cottonwood Mall,
Trolley, Sugar House. . .) who's going to do all that shopping in this
economy? Where's the new population to support all of that? How many
empty storefronts are we creating?
Hatuletoh | 10:00 a.m. June 26, 2008
My fellow Sugarhousians: simply don't shop there. You complain and
complain, and show up to meetings to try to force already bribed politicians to
act on your behalf, but then you patronize the businesses once they are built.
Remember Walgreens? Barnes and Noble? Those places are full all the time, and
I doubt it's people from Tooele driving in to get their prescriptions
filled. Why don't we just use our economic power to shape the community?
That's the only vote we have these days.
To those who would call people "elitist" for trying to stop a atrocity like Wal-Mart from going up: we pay a premium to live where we do, and the reason for that is because we appreciate the character of the area. If I wanted to be surrounded by chain restaurants I'd move to Sandy. Living in the city gives us the ability to walk to dozens locally owned businesses, which means that the money we spend stays right here in my neighborhood. That's important to us, and if such a value makes us elitists then I happily accept the title on behalf of all my elitist Sugarhouse friends and neighbors.
To those who would call people "elitist" for trying to stop a atrocity like Wal-Mart from going up: we pay a premium to live where we do, and the reason for that is because we appreciate the character of the area. If I wanted to be surrounded by chain restaurants I'd move to Sandy. Living in the city gives us the ability to walk to dozens locally owned businesses, which means that the money we spend stays right here in my neighborhood. That's important to us, and if such a value makes us elitists then I happily accept the title on behalf of all my elitist Sugarhouse friends and neighbors.
Ignorant people are funny | 10:03 a.m. June 26, 2008
Most of the people who complain about Wal-Mart have never even been in a
Wal-Mart. They complain about Wal-Mart being non-union, not providing health
benefits to workers, or importing cheap goods. How many local businesses do you
know of that hire 80 year old people to just sit and smile? They wouldn't
do that if they had to make payments to union trust funds. I would rather
people have a job without benefits, then not have a job and have no benefits.
Finally, Wal-Mart has great prices and moderate quality. If people want high
quality goods, they should go to the boutique stores. What people
shouldn't do is pretend they are so holy and special they don't go to
Wal-Mart.
I know this neighborhood. They are wealthy. What they don't want is less fortunate people coming into their neighborhood.
I know this neighborhood. They are wealthy. What they don't want is less fortunate people coming into their neighborhood.
Der Altekrieger | 10:21 a.m. June 26, 2008
Dear Americans,
Might I recommend a solution to stop Wal-Mart from ruining your communities:
Stop shopping in them !!!
They create a perception of "helping you" by being inexpensive. Do not be guiled by the yellow smiling face.
This "friendly" perception comes with a heavy price.
Spend your dollars elsewhere, the few extra cents it will cost you will greatly benefit your community and its small business.
You have the freedom in this country to make change, so use it !
Might I recommend a solution to stop Wal-Mart from ruining your communities:
Stop shopping in them !!!
They create a perception of "helping you" by being inexpensive. Do not be guiled by the yellow smiling face.
This "friendly" perception comes with a heavy price.
Spend your dollars elsewhere, the few extra cents it will cost you will greatly benefit your community and its small business.
You have the freedom in this country to make change, so use it !
Bill | 10:32 a.m. June 26, 2008
I love Wal-Mart because Hillary Clinton used to serve on their Board of
Directors.
looking from the inside out | 10:36 a.m. June 26, 2008
looking from the inside out k-mart employees are all sick and tired of the whole
deal wal-mart need to do what ever they are going to do and let the k-mart
employees go on with their lives and not keep changing the take over date like
they have been doing to the last 3 years it is enough already and we are sick of
it
we are not happy at work because of it and we never know if we will find chains on the doors when we get work every day or if we will work every day
i work at a k-mart and do alot of shopping at wal-mart from thing in there sporting good (better then k-marts) to the food
we are not happy at work because of it and we never know if we will find chains on the doors when we get work every day or if we will work every day
i work at a k-mart and do alot of shopping at wal-mart from thing in there sporting good (better then k-marts) to the food
To: Der Altekrieger | 11:30 a.m. June 26, 2008
What heavy price?
WalMart provides jobs - lot's of them.
They provide goods and services at a very affordable price.
They pay taxes.
I think they're good for the community.
Plowboy | 12:26 p.m. June 26, 2008
3 Points:
To Southern California - there is a Supercenter in Lancaster CA. I've been in it, and it matches up to any in Utah.
It's coming, one way or another. They own the land and are able to run it using the K-Mart building. I would rather a more eco friendly building than the old K-mart building.
A point was made on the Today Show this morning. They were talking about higher gas prices and what it is doing is moving a lot of manufacturing business back to America because the cost of shipping is so much more now that American firms can compete because of lower shipping costs. Funny how high fuel costs can actually help manufacturing in America.
To Southern California - there is a Supercenter in Lancaster CA. I've been in it, and it matches up to any in Utah.
It's coming, one way or another. They own the land and are able to run it using the K-Mart building. I would rather a more eco friendly building than the old K-mart building.
A point was made on the Today Show this morning. They were talking about higher gas prices and what it is doing is moving a lot of manufacturing business back to America because the cost of shipping is so much more now that American firms can compete because of lower shipping costs. Funny how high fuel costs can actually help manufacturing in America.
Walmart's Evil | 12:33 p.m. June 26, 2008
Walmart is a evil business and its worker works for evil. Period.
RE: awsomeron | 1:03 p.m. June 26, 2008
What!
Sam's not happy | 1:14 p.m. June 26, 2008
WalMart is not the store that Sam Walton envisioned so long ago. The corporate
heads makes millions of dollars and pay their employees relatively little in
comparison. Their benefits plan stinks and while they may bring jobs into a
community, they are horrible employers. Your life is not your own once you go
to work for WalMart--you work when they say and where they say. If you're
lucky, you may be able to get training as a manager--but don't hold your
breath. I'd like to see them all go out of business. Bring the mom and
pop stores back! Support community businesses instead of large "suck the
community dry" businesses.
"The Socialist States of America | 2:31 p.m. June 26, 2008
It's tragic that other people or the government tell you what you can and
can't do with your own property - what you can and can't build, your
architecture style, your decorations, your square footage, etc. etc. Of course
we need regulation for safety - but it seems the more socialistic (a.k.a.
"planned") we get, the more we call ourselves a democracy - however we
are voting and voicing about what WE will do with OTHER people's property,
money, etc. - as meanwhile (and not surprisingly) private property rights
continue to disappear.
So some dislike Wal-Mart, and in the process you try to use government power to stop it - thereby legitimizing the diminution of property rights for all.
So some dislike Wal-Mart, and in the process you try to use government power to stop it - thereby legitimizing the diminution of property rights for all.
St. George | 2:31 p.m. June 26, 2008
Wal-mart has kept inflation at bay for many years, and is good for everyone who
needs to live on a budget.
Get a new building in your community and increase everyones wealth and livelyhood.
Get a new building in your community and increase everyones wealth and livelyhood.
*sigh* | 2:46 p.m. June 26, 2008
The debate, for the community surrounding the old K-Mart property, is not
whether or not Wal-Mart should come and do business. The debate is whether or
not they should be granted a spot changes to the east bench master plan.
The current building and site can easily be changed and updated to resemble something very similar to what they are proposing in the latest drawings.
There is nothing with the current easement that prevents them from doing business. They own the property and are allowed within the confines of the law to do business. The question really is, do we as a community allow businesses (regardless of the business) with deep pockets to come in and change our community, a community that we purchased homes in?
One person, further up the post made reference to the fact that we would prefer boutiques and smaller shops. That is fact. And that is what the current zone states SHOULD be on that property. K-Mart was grandfathered in.
People need to get out of the sensationalism of mass media and learn the facts and learn what is really going on.
The current building and site can easily be changed and updated to resemble something very similar to what they are proposing in the latest drawings.
There is nothing with the current easement that prevents them from doing business. They own the property and are allowed within the confines of the law to do business. The question really is, do we as a community allow businesses (regardless of the business) with deep pockets to come in and change our community, a community that we purchased homes in?
One person, further up the post made reference to the fact that we would prefer boutiques and smaller shops. That is fact. And that is what the current zone states SHOULD be on that property. K-Mart was grandfathered in.
People need to get out of the sensationalism of mass media and learn the facts and learn what is really going on.
Business for Profit, incredible! | 2:46 p.m. June 26, 2008
Without reading more than Walmart's Evil comment... I have this to say:
Without profit there would be no jobs. People complain all the time about Walmart and other big box stores, but they are by far the hyper vocal minority. Profits are not evil, they permit people to have jobs. Walmart should not villefied, they should imitated to create other businesses. Lower cost goods to consumers. People blame Walmart because they are a big target. That is the same reason people criticize Larry Miller in Utah, the same reason people criticize the LDS church in Utah, the same reason that people criticize the President (they are a large visible target that people have a hard time seeing past. It seems that many people have a hard time with success. Walmart, Larry Miller, LDS Church are successful and I'm not...they must be evil!!! Can't we all just learn to think for ourselves rather than regurgitate what some blogger or journalist says?
Without profit there would be no jobs. People complain all the time about Walmart and other big box stores, but they are by far the hyper vocal minority. Profits are not evil, they permit people to have jobs. Walmart should not villefied, they should imitated to create other businesses. Lower cost goods to consumers. People blame Walmart because they are a big target. That is the same reason people criticize Larry Miller in Utah, the same reason people criticize the LDS church in Utah, the same reason that people criticize the President (they are a large visible target that people have a hard time seeing past. It seems that many people have a hard time with success. Walmart, Larry Miller, LDS Church are successful and I'm not...they must be evil!!! Can't we all just learn to think for ourselves rather than regurgitate what some blogger or journalist says?
To Sam's Not Happy | 2:58 p.m. June 26, 2008
No one is forced to work at Wal-Mart. They do so knowing what benefits they are going to receive. Besides it's not Wal-Mart's responsibility - or any busines for that matter - to provide anything other than a safe place to work, and a paycheck.
Boo Hoo | 3:16 p.m. June 26, 2008
Poor picked on Sugar House. The building they are planning to build looks really
nice. Have you not seen the Kmart store lately?
Insert name here | 3:23 p.m. June 26, 2008
For all those liberal Walmart haters, remember this, Hillary Clinton sat on the
Walmart board for years. Just food for thought.
My guess is that's why Walmart went all evil and whatnot.
PS If you don't get this post it was because I purchased my inferior made in China sarcasm at Walmart.
(I think I breached a whole new level of sarcasm right there, good for me.)
My guess is that's why Walmart went all evil and whatnot.
PS If you don't get this post it was because I purchased my inferior made in China sarcasm at Walmart.
(I think I breached a whole new level of sarcasm right there, good for me.)
lovesaltlake | 3:56 p.m. June 26, 2008
yo brothers and sisters.
this site has been economically depressed since...well forever...it is not a good site for your average commercial development...look at all the way down 21st south until you get to sugarhouse...it aint no gateway...the only business that could make it work is walmart or costco...i think walmart is a much better choice. Let the business tear down the building...give the area a fresh start..its going to be tough enough trying to make this area viable as it is...don't make it any harder on walmart than we have to...
east side is not a great place for retail..look at foothill shopping center, look at dans etc at 3900 south and wasatch...it might be great for houses but businesses don't do well...trust me on this one...
this site has been economically depressed since...well forever...it is not a good site for your average commercial development...look at all the way down 21st south until you get to sugarhouse...it aint no gateway...the only business that could make it work is walmart or costco...i think walmart is a much better choice. Let the business tear down the building...give the area a fresh start..its going to be tough enough trying to make this area viable as it is...don't make it any harder on walmart than we have to...
east side is not a great place for retail..look at foothill shopping center, look at dans etc at 3900 south and wasatch...it might be great for houses but businesses don't do well...trust me on this one...
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