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Earning Seniority in Congress? | 8:09 a.m. June 26, 2008
Hatch's comment about helping Chaffetz along while he "earns
seniority" totally encapsulates what is so very wrong with our government
right now. Congressmen and senators are not part of committees because they
actually know anything about that particular subject. They are part of
committees because they "earn" the positions through years of playing
the politics game.
There is one solution to the problems in Washington...Kick every single one of the incumbents out and start from scratch.
There is one solution to the problems in Washington...Kick every single one of the incumbents out and start from scratch.
sob | 8:10 a.m. June 26, 2008
yeah regan said i'll be honest, then lets see
a guy named ollie north still on tv telling war stories that he made up about himself in viet nam, and
john poindexter still a part of the bush clique
and the ayatolls in iran still laughing about the cake ollie brought them and the arms they have now. and the
victims of right wing death squads in nicuaraga and el salvador still looking for the bodies of their loved ones, killed by the military we secretly trained,
and low and behold dan ortega a part of the establishment, thanks ron regan.
a guy named ollie north still on tv telling war stories that he made up about himself in viet nam, and
john poindexter still a part of the bush clique
and the ayatolls in iran still laughing about the cake ollie brought them and the arms they have now. and the
victims of right wing death squads in nicuaraga and el salvador still looking for the bodies of their loved ones, killed by the military we secretly trained,
and low and behold dan ortega a part of the establishment, thanks ron regan.
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Observer1 | 8:15 a.m. June 26, 2008
Chris Cannon lost this election because nobody can stand his ineffective,
mediocre record as a member of the US House of Representatives. I have not been
a member of a political party for a long while, but his poor record on
immigration, his lack of concern for the poor and needy, and his inability to
control spending convinced me to register as a member of the GOB (Good Old Boys)
just so I could vote for someone other than him. He is one of the most
arrogant, entitled, and self-important people I have ever personally met. Now,
hopefully the rest of the country will follow suit and throw the rest of the
bums out. Maybe I'm a simpleton, but how nice it would be if every single
one of the 435 arrogant snobs in Congress were sent packing.
jdegaston | 8:20 a.m. June 26, 2008
I can hardly wait to hear all the candid speech said to be forthcoming. I
agree with
How about Bennett who hates Conservaties more than anyone else. Who in the world do they think the Conservatives are going to support in the future. Can they really not get it that their Moderate Republicanism is costing us a lot with the deficit spending, greater executive powers, loss of personal freedoms, illegal immigrants drowning our economy(our own education budget would not need an increase if we had no illegals), federal control of eduction (No Child Left Behind), signing statements, and lots of foreign aid to our enemies etc. etc. etc.
Voting for Chaffetz was a vote for Conservative views which he speaks about very eloquently. Hopefully he will not cave in to the middle-of-the-road types such as Bennett who probably has not embraced a new idea since he became retirement age.
Hopefully Jason Chaffetz represents a new day in the Republican Party with more listening to the grass roots and less control by party bosses.
Yea for Steve White. Yes, we are very tired of deficit spending destroying our economy and all of the rest of the Bush problems.
How about Bennett who hates Conservaties more than anyone else. Who in the world do they think the Conservatives are going to support in the future. Can they really not get it that their Moderate Republicanism is costing us a lot with the deficit spending, greater executive powers, loss of personal freedoms, illegal immigrants drowning our economy(our own education budget would not need an increase if we had no illegals), federal control of eduction (No Child Left Behind), signing statements, and lots of foreign aid to our enemies etc. etc. etc.
Voting for Chaffetz was a vote for Conservative views which he speaks about very eloquently. Hopefully he will not cave in to the middle-of-the-road types such as Bennett who probably has not embraced a new idea since he became retirement age.
Hopefully Jason Chaffetz represents a new day in the Republican Party with more listening to the grass roots and less control by party bosses.
Yea for Steve White. Yes, we are very tired of deficit spending destroying our economy and all of the rest of the Bush problems.
Former republican | 8:21 a.m. June 26, 2008
Utah is going to lead the way. We are going to take over the democratic party
and turn it into what we want.
The republicans are too far gone. Too many whackos. We can take over the democrats, change their stance on abortion, and make it into a real party that represents real people!
I think for the first time ever I'm going to vote democrat!
The republicans are too far gone. Too many whackos. We can take over the democrats, change their stance on abortion, and make it into a real party that represents real people!
I think for the first time ever I'm going to vote democrat!
Demotivating | 8:25 a.m. June 26, 2008
Congratulations to Mr. Cannon on being about as demotivating as GWB to most
voters.
Michael | 8:27 a.m. June 26, 2008
***I can't hold my nose long enough to vote for McCain and I love my
country too much to help turn it over to Obama, so I will just stay home this
year.***
Has it occurred to you, my anonymous friend, that there are candidates other than Obama and McCain? Part of your complaint seems to be that neither Party is meeting your needs. So...stay with me now, this is the really challenging part...vote for another Party! Who knows, maybe if enough people voted for, say, a Libertarian candidate, the Republican Party would get the message they they no longer represent who they claim to represent? It's a possibility.
Oh, and if you choose not to vote, that's certainly your right. But by exercising your right not to vote, you also forfeit ANY credibility to speak on politics for the next four years.
Has it occurred to you, my anonymous friend, that there are candidates other than Obama and McCain? Part of your complaint seems to be that neither Party is meeting your needs. So...stay with me now, this is the really challenging part...vote for another Party! Who knows, maybe if enough people voted for, say, a Libertarian candidate, the Republican Party would get the message they they no longer represent who they claim to represent? It's a possibility.
Oh, and if you choose not to vote, that's certainly your right. But by exercising your right not to vote, you also forfeit ANY credibility to speak on politics for the next four years.
Lack of integrity | 8:31 a.m. June 26, 2008
It is not a lack of unity that currently "besets the GOP," it is
rather a lack of integrity and the total absence of competence.
I have voted Republican all my life, but am now completely disgusted by the party and its values. How did the GOP become the party of big spending, big government? When did we become the party that represents corporations at the expense of taxpayers?
I did not vote last Tuesday, because even though I am registered Republican, I will most likely be voting for Obama and whoever the Democrats are running in the 3rd. I've had it. Time for change.
I have voted Republican all my life, but am now completely disgusted by the party and its values. How did the GOP become the party of big spending, big government? When did we become the party that represents corporations at the expense of taxpayers?
I did not vote last Tuesday, because even though I am registered Republican, I will most likely be voting for Obama and whoever the Democrats are running in the 3rd. I've had it. Time for change.
Happily Informed | 8:32 a.m. June 26, 2008
I did not see Hatch's statement about voters being stupid. Actually,
historically, they have been. Too long have voters just gone with the tide and
now maybe there is hope on the horizon when an informed electorate is willing to
take on the establishment and vote "the rascals" out of office.
The next step in Utah County is to get rid of the stranglehold of "Republicanism" and their lobbists.
Hatch on the other hand is not a Utahn. He is an opportunist from Pennsylvania, who attended BYU and thought how easy a target Utah was for easy 100 year representation. He taught H. Clinton well about opportunities. Retire Bennett from politics (80+ years), also Hatch so he can write his songs close to Broadway from his PA home.
The next step in Utah County is to get rid of the stranglehold of "Republicanism" and their lobbists.
Hatch on the other hand is not a Utahn. He is an opportunist from Pennsylvania, who attended BYU and thought how easy a target Utah was for easy 100 year representation. He taught H. Clinton well about opportunities. Retire Bennett from politics (80+ years), also Hatch so he can write his songs close to Broadway from his PA home.
Yuck! | 8:41 a.m. June 26, 2008
The comments above are far more interesting (and disturbing) than the story.
Xenophobia and wishful thinking are alive and well in Utah Valley. I just hope
that the anti-Hispanic comments are not truly representative of my highly
esteemed neighbors. As a nation, we helped create the illegal immigration mess,
and we are responsible for coming up with a reasonable solution -- not just
rounding up millions of people and booting them out. Vengence is not a
conservative principle.
I am very fearful of the continuing Pelosi-Reid dominance in Congress. Sending a freshman to the House is probably not the best move for Utah Valley Republicans right now, but I guess we'll have to make the most of it. Or should we vote Democratic and see what happens to the country over the next four years?? I'm tempted -- maybe we can spark a backlash by giving the Dem's a larger margin.
I am very fearful of the continuing Pelosi-Reid dominance in Congress. Sending a freshman to the House is probably not the best move for Utah Valley Republicans right now, but I guess we'll have to make the most of it. Or should we vote Democratic and see what happens to the country over the next four years?? I'm tempted -- maybe we can spark a backlash by giving the Dem's a larger margin.
Anon | 8:42 a.m. June 26, 2008
Cannon is clueless. Perhaps he should have spent a few days reflecting before
he made so many ridiculous statements. And when did the US House get 50 new
members?
Rick | 8:44 a.m. June 26, 2008
This clown needed to go. Now we must eliminate all the other traitors in our
congress!
This is a win for America. A loss for Mexico.
This is a win for America. A loss for Mexico.
Cats | 8:45 a.m. June 26, 2008
In all the years that Howard Nielson was the Congressman from the third district
he never once faced a challenge from within the party. In fact, they had a hard
time even finding Democrats who would run against him. Why? Because he was a
good man who did a good job and represented his constituents well!
Chris Cannon has faced a challenge from within his own party every single election. The reason? He is arrogant, dishonest and incompetent. As people get to know him they find out that he is not someone they can trust or rely on.
The current political trends are the reason why some Republicans may lose this year to Democrats. When a Republican loses in his own party primary, it is not because of nutcake voters or low voter turnout. It is because he has done a lousy job of representing his district.
Get out of denial, Chris. You have been exposed as a charleton. You have been personally rejected because of your own behavior!
Chris Cannon has faced a challenge from within his own party every single election. The reason? He is arrogant, dishonest and incompetent. As people get to know him they find out that he is not someone they can trust or rely on.
The current political trends are the reason why some Republicans may lose this year to Democrats. When a Republican loses in his own party primary, it is not because of nutcake voters or low voter turnout. It is because he has done a lousy job of representing his district.
Get out of denial, Chris. You have been exposed as a charleton. You have been personally rejected because of your own behavior!
Lets not stop here | 8:47 a.m. June 26, 2008
The arrogance of Hatch and Cannon is truly breath taking.Time to throw them all
out, they are all in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce (Civil War equivalent
of plantation owners) and that's who funds them and that's the people
they look out for.
Hatch and Bennett need to go first, they both support amnesty every chance they get. Bennett is the worst by far. He doesn't want to hear anything but amnesty on immigration, I have written him numerous times and he won't hear about anything else. Let's "Cannonize" them all.
Hatch and Bennett need to go first, they both support amnesty every chance they get. Bennett is the worst by far. He doesn't want to hear anything but amnesty on immigration, I have written him numerous times and he won't hear about anything else. Let's "Cannonize" them all.
Tom Paine | 8:49 a.m. June 26, 2008
Interesting reading all of the comments about Cannon. It seems like all of the
Republicans posting here have forgotten that they voted Republican Cannon into
office in the first place. Maybe instead of blindly putting a check mark next to
anyone with an R next to their name on the ballot, they should check the
candidate out first. As the man said.......you get the government you deserve,
and Utah deserved Cannon.
Cannon must be arrogant or dumb | 8:50 a.m. June 26, 2008
His stand on immigration cost him the election. It is really quite simple. Most
people are sick and tired of his attitude. Hatch and others should be worried.
scary | 8:53 a.m. June 26, 2008
i think you all are missing the point. chaffetz won by running to the RIGHT of
chris cannon. that may work in the Utah 3rd district (lil' hannity kool aid
anyone?), but if that reflects a broader national GOP trend, the GOP is in for a
very rocky time.
Kevin | 8:59 a.m. June 26, 2008
I think we are all tired of our representatives saying one thing and going and
doing something else. Mr. Bennett I'm sill waiting for my IRS paperwork to
be put on a post card. YOUR THE NEXT TO GO!!!!
Jeff Alexander | 9:01 a.m. June 26, 2008
One of the benefits of living in America is free speech. I love blogs, like
this, that allow us to share our opinions. It is too bad that only four or five
people on this blog are brave enough to share their names. I want to
congratulate Chris for serving for 12 years. Many don't agree with him but
that is because he took positions on issues. Jason Chaffetz should be
congratulated for being a successful challenger. He will soon be in Chris'
position where many will disagree with him as he takes votes in Congress. I
wish more people would run for office and put their opinions on the line!
Political Observer | 9:03 a.m. June 26, 2008
Although I have never been a Chris Cannon fan, I agree with his assessment
that the Utah Republican Party is in trouble. As a long-time Republican and
active Mormon, I think the party leadership of Curtis, Bramble, Buttars,
Stephensen, Clark, Shurtleff, etc., are not representing the
"rank-and-file" Republicans. The caucus system brings out those that
tend to be more right wing, and they have taken over the party (along with the
Eagle Forum).
I think that with Donnelson, Neuenschwander, and Walker losing in the primary election, more moderation will come. As a moderate Repulican, I also hope the Democrats defeat Greg Curtis and Chris Buttars and others like them, as it would help the Republican party.
I think that with Donnelson, Neuenschwander, and Walker losing in the primary election, more moderation will come. As a moderate Repulican, I also hope the Democrats defeat Greg Curtis and Chris Buttars and others like them, as it would help the Republican party.
Reader | 9:08 a.m. June 26, 2008
The reason Cannon lost is because voters are tired of self-serving politicians
like him who have been more concerned about fattening their pockets and allowed
this country to become the mess it is right now. Now, if we can start cleaning
house with about half the state Legislature and get rid of similar self-serving
clowns like Greg Curtis.......
Anonymous | 9:07 a.m. June 26, 2008
I'm glad Cannon is sounding the alarm about the radical nature that has
taken over the conventions. It may have little to do with his defeat, but he is
right that I think most GOP members would be shocked if they visited there party
conventions to see how many bigoted, un-educated hateful people who have
infested the nomination process.
Judy | 9:22 a.m. June 26, 2008
I do not live in Utah any more and boy am I glad.
I live in a state where the people love conservative values and try to live by them by electing a real smart conservative Gov. Gov Bobby Jindal of Lousiana.
I live in a state where the people love conservative values and try to live by them by electing a real smart conservative Gov. Gov Bobby Jindal of Lousiana.
arationalguy | 9:27 a.m. June 26, 2008
Two words.... illegal immigration.
And it's always been about illegal immigration. Only difference this time is that Cannon's opponent didn't self-destruct like in the last two primaries. He simply doesn't stand for principle on this issue, and it cost him.
End of story.
And it's always been about illegal immigration. Only difference this time is that Cannon's opponent didn't self-destruct like in the last two primaries. He simply doesn't stand for principle on this issue, and it cost him.
End of story.
Anonymous | 9:47 a.m. June 26, 2008
"Incumbents rarely lose in the 485-member U.S. House."
Last I check there are 435 members of the US House. Crackerjack reporting Bob! Perhaps you could tell us where you found the missing 50 members of Congress. Or perhaps you could actually do the public a service and accurately report the facts.
Last I check there are 435 members of the US House. Crackerjack reporting Bob! Perhaps you could tell us where you found the missing 50 members of Congress. Or perhaps you could actually do the public a service and accurately report the facts.
My cacous | 10:00 a.m. June 26, 2008
Called me on primary day and asked me to vote for Jason Chaffetz, that is quite
the effort and it paid off. Regretfully, I don't know how any of the
candidates will preform I just made an estimated guess. We need more .org
groups to do the scorecarding, but with new candidates you only have their word,
not record. Chaffetz wont do any worse than Cannon, hopfully Ill Imagration
will get going.
Still Republican but Unhappy | 10:02 a.m. June 26, 2008
My dear old dad says he's a Republican because the Republicans come closest
to representing the core values of his faith. Abortion is his single issue for
party choice.
The fact is, however, that the Republicans aren't trying to overturn abortion anymore. That balance tipped permanently when Bush 41 nominated Souter. These days, Republican judicial conservatives say that Roe V. Wade is "stare decisis" - the decision stands.
That opens a lot of doors for other issues. Issues where the Republican establishment repeatedly fails to represent my values of conservative spending, limited government, minimized foreign entanglement, and the development of American industry.
We need to be something more than a consumer. We need to stand for freedom, endeavor and industry. Instead, the world looks to us and sees torture, greed and avarice.
If the Republicans who run the party don't change their direction, and return to the core beliefs, they will lose the support of the people.
Utah has been solidly Democratic in the past and may be again.
The fact is, however, that the Republicans aren't trying to overturn abortion anymore. That balance tipped permanently when Bush 41 nominated Souter. These days, Republican judicial conservatives say that Roe V. Wade is "stare decisis" - the decision stands.
That opens a lot of doors for other issues. Issues where the Republican establishment repeatedly fails to represent my values of conservative spending, limited government, minimized foreign entanglement, and the development of American industry.
We need to be something more than a consumer. We need to stand for freedom, endeavor and industry. Instead, the world looks to us and sees torture, greed and avarice.
If the Republicans who run the party don't change their direction, and return to the core beliefs, they will lose the support of the people.
Utah has been solidly Democratic in the past and may be again.
Politically Active Mom | 10:02 a.m. June 26, 2008
Cannon is just digging himself in deeper. First, it was just the
'harsh,boorish' people at convention that almost caused him to lose,
but he was sure that the "real" Republicans would sweep him back into
office. Now it's thousands and thousands of "harsh, boorish"
people in the primary that caused him to lose by an even wider margin than he
lost at convention.
And absolutely classless to not endorse Chaffetz because he "doesn't know the man" and he just didn't get enough votes to be worth mentioning. Whatever - Chaffetz kicked his bu-hind by 20 percentage points . . . talk about sore loser. Oh, and if Mr Cannon think he can throw the election to the Dems - good luck. I'd fairly doubtful that Mr. Spencer would appreciate his type of campaigning, especially against the still-functioning, still-fired up grassroots crowd in Chaffetz' camp. Cannon's ability to now "speak freely" show him even more clearly to be the arrogant, condescending son-of-a-gun that voters in the 3rd district simply couldn't stand anymore.
And absolutely classless to not endorse Chaffetz because he "doesn't know the man" and he just didn't get enough votes to be worth mentioning. Whatever - Chaffetz kicked his bu-hind by 20 percentage points . . . talk about sore loser. Oh, and if Mr Cannon think he can throw the election to the Dems - good luck. I'd fairly doubtful that Mr. Spencer would appreciate his type of campaigning, especially against the still-functioning, still-fired up grassroots crowd in Chaffetz' camp. Cannon's ability to now "speak freely" show him even more clearly to be the arrogant, condescending son-of-a-gun that voters in the 3rd district simply couldn't stand anymore.
Rob Madsen | 10:09 a.m. June 26, 2008
I feel compelled to add my voice to those who are sick of the arrogant attitude
of incumbents who think voters are stupid if they don't put the same people
back into office year after year.
I voted against Cannon because he displays that arrogance. I'll vote against Hatch and Bennett too, almost regardless of who challenges them. It's not personal, but they seem to be caught up in the same old business as usual; and their focus is primarily "What do I need to do to stay here?" rather than "What should I do to best help the people I represent and the country as a whole?"
Our politicians get paid too much; they get too many benefits, and they get corrupted by it. Maybe Utah is just showing a little more maturity in being willing to sacrifice some seniority in their local leaders. One of the big problems is that most voters seem to think we really need to clean house but want all the other states to do it while they maintain their guys in office so they'll get better pork. We'll ride that kind of attitude all the way to a bankrupt government.
I voted against Cannon because he displays that arrogance. I'll vote against Hatch and Bennett too, almost regardless of who challenges them. It's not personal, but they seem to be caught up in the same old business as usual; and their focus is primarily "What do I need to do to stay here?" rather than "What should I do to best help the people I represent and the country as a whole?"
Our politicians get paid too much; they get too many benefits, and they get corrupted by it. Maybe Utah is just showing a little more maturity in being willing to sacrifice some seniority in their local leaders. One of the big problems is that most voters seem to think we really need to clean house but want all the other states to do it while they maintain their guys in office so they'll get better pork. We'll ride that kind of attitude all the way to a bankrupt government.
12 year kickbacks | 11:05 a.m. June 26, 2008
Cannon quote reported by another new source...
"After he's out of office, Cannon said he would like to pursue business interests, adding that there are groups he thinks would value his counsel. But he hasn't talked to anyone about his future yet.
"I've never talked to anybody about anything after my congressional career because that would not be proper," he said."
Translated: Now it is time for all you special interest groups for whom I did favors to add me to your boards and pay me for lobbying.
Cannon shouldn't talk to anyone during OR after his time in Washington about his "valuable" counsel. It is not only improper, it is immoral.
News story suggestion for the DN: It would be very newsworthy to follow Chris Cannon for the first year out of office to see who hires him as a counselor. Not as an attack on Cannon, but rather an education to voters on a system awash with money.
"After he's out of office, Cannon said he would like to pursue business interests, adding that there are groups he thinks would value his counsel. But he hasn't talked to anyone about his future yet.
"I've never talked to anybody about anything after my congressional career because that would not be proper," he said."
Translated: Now it is time for all you special interest groups for whom I did favors to add me to your boards and pay me for lobbying.
Cannon shouldn't talk to anyone during OR after his time in Washington about his "valuable" counsel. It is not only improper, it is immoral.
News story suggestion for the DN: It would be very newsworthy to follow Chris Cannon for the first year out of office to see who hires him as a counselor. Not as an attack on Cannon, but rather an education to voters on a system awash with money.
voter | 11:15 a.m. June 26, 2008
It all comes down to one thing, Democrate or republican, if you dont listen to
the people who you work for you get voted out! It does not matter what issue or
agenda if you dont vote the way the majority of your constituents want you get
the boot! All politicians Beware, the people of Utah and this Great nation have
had enough of your lies. We want people who will actually represent us!
Johnny | 11:14 a.m. June 26, 2008
RCS@4:42AM:
1) Your fear of Democrats "taking over" a republican primary is almost laughable. What Democrats? How many are there in the 3rd district - a few hundred? I am not a member of any political party. I am more conservative than anything else, but the way the Republican party and its leadership conduct themselves in this state leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. They are certainly not in tune with the overwhelming majority in this state, in my experience, which has been shown more than once recently. What a closed primary does is prevent people like me - and we are legion - from voting. I would have loved to vote Tuesday, but I was not permitted to do so.
2) I agree with much of what you write here. By not premitting me, and others like me, to vote, the minority - the exteme right wing of the Republican party - becomes the majority, and the rest of us pay the price. I am neither ignorant of the issues, the candidates positions, nor what freedom is based on. The closed primary prevents me from voting and making my voice heard.
Party first! People after.
1) Your fear of Democrats "taking over" a republican primary is almost laughable. What Democrats? How many are there in the 3rd district - a few hundred? I am not a member of any political party. I am more conservative than anything else, but the way the Republican party and its leadership conduct themselves in this state leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. They are certainly not in tune with the overwhelming majority in this state, in my experience, which has been shown more than once recently. What a closed primary does is prevent people like me - and we are legion - from voting. I would have loved to vote Tuesday, but I was not permitted to do so.
2) I agree with much of what you write here. By not premitting me, and others like me, to vote, the minority - the exteme right wing of the Republican party - becomes the majority, and the rest of us pay the price. I am neither ignorant of the issues, the candidates positions, nor what freedom is based on. The closed primary prevents me from voting and making my voice heard.
Party first! People after.
I didn't vote for Cannon... | 11:24 a.m. June 26, 2008
Simply because he is an illegal alien lover. We are being overrun with illegals
and he thinks it is good and ok. Lets award the lawbreakers by giving them free
everything at taxpayers loss and then give them all amnesty!
Nope...I am sick of it!
Way to go voters for allowing Chaffetz to win! Out with the old baggage and in with some new inspiration that can hopefully heal what is happening to our nation!
Nope...I am sick of it!
Way to go voters for allowing Chaffetz to win! Out with the old baggage and in with some new inspiration that can hopefully heal what is happening to our nation!
To: Lack of Integrity | 11:34 a.m. June 26, 2008
Are you serious? You aren't happy with the big government and
over-spending by the Republicans so you are going to vote for Obama and other
Democrats?
You recognize the problem, but certainly not the solution. You are willing to jump out of the frying pan directly into the fire.
I'm not going to vote Republican either. But I am certainly not going to vote for something worse.
You recognize the problem, but certainly not the solution. You are willing to jump out of the frying pan directly into the fire.
I'm not going to vote Republican either. But I am certainly not going to vote for something worse.
randy | 11:41 a.m. June 26, 2008
new slogan in utah
incumbent out ... challenger in
hatch said it decades ago ... to moss .. you have been in way too long ... (and i might add hatch, and way too little done)
hatch, bennett, bishop ... out , challengers in
incumbents out ... challengers in
incumbent out ... challenger in
hatch said it decades ago ... to moss .. you have been in way too long ... (and i might add hatch, and way too little done)
hatch, bennett, bishop ... out , challengers in
incumbents out ... challengers in
JRO | 11:41 a.m. June 26, 2008
George Washington believed that one of the greatest threats to the survival of
our nation was the rise of partisan party politics. Was he ever correct! Both
houses of Congress are mostly made up of men and women for whom the most
important thing is the welfare of the party - getting in power if you're
not and staying in power if you are. The will and welfare of the nation -
WHICH IS THE PEOPLE, NOT THE REPRESENTATIVES - is of secondary importance, if
not less. That's why the word 'compromise' (politics has been
correctly described as the art of compromise) is considered a dirty word, and
why almost nothing of any real foresight and wisdom gets done. Sadly, I
don't see Tuesday's results changing that very much.
Seniority?? | 11:44 a.m. June 26, 2008
If we were to vote out the incumbents when they stopped listening to the people,
the issue of using seniority would be a non issue real fast. There's no
seniority when you get rid of the dead weight.
Anonymous | 11:45 a.m. June 26, 2008
Cannon lost almost entirely because of his views on illegal immigration.
For those who would say that that's "single issue voting" and "ignoring the bigger picture" I have 3 responses.
1) Illegal and mass immigration touches nearly everything: stagnant wages, long commute times, water shortages, overcrowded schools, the continued decline of the family, crime rates, and so many other things. It is by no means a "single issue."
2) When legal and illegal immigrants (or their children) become citizens, they move thisnation much, much farther to the left. Hispanics typically vote 65-35 in favor of Democrats. All the other issues that Cannon thinks he's so loyal on are irrelevant - because the outcome is going to change as the nation becomes more leftist.
3) Thanks to economic competition, Americans are moving further to the left, too, as wages, benefits, and health care become even more of a concern, and as affording a home in a reasonably safe neighborhood becomes more difficult.
Immigration is not a "single issue." It is THE defining issue of our time.
For those who would say that that's "single issue voting" and "ignoring the bigger picture" I have 3 responses.
1) Illegal and mass immigration touches nearly everything: stagnant wages, long commute times, water shortages, overcrowded schools, the continued decline of the family, crime rates, and so many other things. It is by no means a "single issue."
2) When legal and illegal immigrants (or their children) become citizens, they move thisnation much, much farther to the left. Hispanics typically vote 65-35 in favor of Democrats. All the other issues that Cannon thinks he's so loyal on are irrelevant - because the outcome is going to change as the nation becomes more leftist.
3) Thanks to economic competition, Americans are moving further to the left, too, as wages, benefits, and health care become even more of a concern, and as affording a home in a reasonably safe neighborhood becomes more difficult.
Immigration is not a "single issue." It is THE defining issue of our time.
whaaaa | 11:46 a.m. June 26, 2008
If Cannon had supporters, they would have supported him. The only excuse for
him not getting re-elected is the fact that he insults Utah voters intelligence
and his main interests lie in promoting the special interest groups that fund
his campaigns and choosing to represent illegal immigrants rather than U.S.
citizens. Anyone remember the comments he made stating that in Utah we
don't differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants? It's
comments like those that FINALLY got him booted from office.
Cannon Still Has It Wrong | 11:47 a.m. June 26, 2008
This has nothing to do with so-called Republican disarray or disunity -
Republicans are rarely more united in vote margins than they were in defeating
him both at the convention and in the primary than. This has nothing to do with
dissatisfaction with the Republican party - he has frequently had trouble
staying in office. This reflects one thing only - disappoinment with his Cannon
himself (his positions and effectiveness that is). His comments continuing to
show why Republicans don't like or trust him - he is now hurting the party
by providing the Tribune false "republican disarray" comments (rather
than accept that the problem is his), which they will exploit to the hilt. This
unwise former Congressman continues to provide fodder that undermines "the
cause" he supposedly cares about, making it evident that what he cares
about is something else.
A Boorish Citizen | 11:52 a.m. June 26, 2008
Mr. Cannon: YOU LOST! Please just go away.....oh and we would appreciate it if
you would take your brother Joe with you.
Bee | 11:51 a.m. June 26, 2008
Mr. Cannon just move on
Linds | 12:18 p.m. June 26, 2008
Chaffetz was organised. He kept in touch with his volunteers. He even called me
and I'm just a peon from West Valley that said I wanted to support him. I
don't think Chris was that organized. He spent a lot more money, but did
not get the vote out. Chris did impress me by sending me a personal letter when
I asked him a question on his web site. Thats more that Sen. Bennet would do for
me. Cannon's down fall was amnesty. He had a poor record over the years,
and people were tired of not taking care of the problem.
Pappy | 12:23 p.m. June 26, 2008
Mr. Chaffetz must now hope that Mr. Cannon DOES NOT endorse him. If Cannon,
Hatch and Bennett - as well as Bush - endorse his candidacy in the November
elections, those endorsements will be the kiss-of-death for Mr. Chaffetz, as
were the endorsements of Hatch, Bennett and Bush for Chris Cannon.
The endorsement of his future constituents will be all he needs.
The endorsement of his future constituents will be all he needs.
Cannon | 12:30 p.m. June 26, 2008
Part of the do nothing Congress
Why would you win re election?
Why would you win re election?
Cannon enablers | 12:35 p.m. June 26, 2008
We the voters also need to remember the names of the politicians and hacks who
supported and enabled Cannon to continue as long as he did.
So called "conservatives" such as State Sen. Mark Madsen, State Rep. Steve Sandstrom, State Rep. Brad Daw. Go to you tube and type in 'Why I support Chris Cannon' listen and see these "Repesentatives" give their reasons for supporting a corrupt out of touch politician such as Mr. Cannon. They share some of the blame.
Give credit to Sen. Howard Stephenson who actually wrote a letter early on in support of Chaffetz.
No surprise to see that some elected officials are much more attune to what is going on with their constituents than others.
So called "conservatives" such as State Sen. Mark Madsen, State Rep. Steve Sandstrom, State Rep. Brad Daw. Go to you tube and type in 'Why I support Chris Cannon' listen and see these "Repesentatives" give their reasons for supporting a corrupt out of touch politician such as Mr. Cannon. They share some of the blame.
Give credit to Sen. Howard Stephenson who actually wrote a letter early on in support of Chaffetz.
No surprise to see that some elected officials are much more attune to what is going on with their constituents than others.
Silver Falcon | 12:35 p.m. June 26, 2008
The same outrage voiced by every losing arrogant incumbent when the voters
reject politics as usual. If the voters did not show up, you did nothing to
encourage them.
Henry Drummond | 12:41 p.m. June 26, 2008
I have been a Republican State Party delegate and Bob is quite right. The
attitude is that people will vote for whoever gets the Republican nomination in
the General Election, so the real fight is in the Convention and the Primaries.
This also leads to the "more conservative than thou" attitude among
most challengers that tends to drive the party well away from the mainstream of
voters. I believe this will eventually catch up with the part but frankly right
now they will never believe it. With this latest success is overthrowing an
incumbent, you can bet by the next election cycle there will be far more
challengers.
Eskie | 12:59 p.m. June 26, 2008
Cannon should stop whining and face the fact that he, along with most of
Congress, is grossly out of touch with "we the people."
Last night I attended a meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, CA, attended by 250 people. When I was introduced as a visitor from Utah, immediately people reacted with joy over Cannon's defeat. The meeting's first announcement was that Cannon lost, met with wild applause. I was introduced as a Utahn "who worked to defeat Chris Cannon." More cheers and applause. I was amazed at the intense reaction - in California, among people who are in-the-know about the intrusion of illegals into our country.
The rest of Congress better be paying attention.
Last night I attended a meeting of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform in Garden Grove, CA, attended by 250 people. When I was introduced as a visitor from Utah, immediately people reacted with joy over Cannon's defeat. The meeting's first announcement was that Cannon lost, met with wild applause. I was introduced as a Utahn "who worked to defeat Chris Cannon." More cheers and applause. I was amazed at the intense reaction - in California, among people who are in-the-know about the intrusion of illegals into our country.
The rest of Congress better be paying attention.
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It is absolutely true that when so few people vote, we really can't say it's what the people want. At best we can say it's "who got the turnout?" You can bus in all the senior citizens or any other group of people and influence the vote because it doesn't take much to turn the tide. This is not a true republic and not at all what America was designed to do. People in history died for the rights and freedom for all in this country but today, voting-eligible people take it so for granted they somehow feel that not voting when you are disgusted with the country is better. They sit back, let small special-interest groups make the decisions rather than doing their civic duty, learning the issues and then voting their conscience.