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FLDS meet with pro-polygamy group
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Grandpa Phil | 10:54 a.m. June 25, 2008
Very interesting. I still like zxcvbnm's comment the other day that
polygamy is legal on the Moon. My family is moving there next week as soon as
we can find something headed that way. ANybody else wanna come?
Educate us | 11:48 a.m. June 25, 2008
If we don't understand something; I believe people need to always be
informed. But then do us a favor and educate yourselves that society will not
accept and will never accept certain things about your society. We will never
accept under-age marriages. We will never accept that people need to be
involved in "plural marriage" to become more like God. You are going
to continue to diminish because most people in the world believe that we all
deserve equal treatment and equal rights. Your groups don't generally
support equal rights for women and you will never have very many women willingly
remain in your groups. Without very many women, you will eventually dwindle.
Goodbye, and God Bless.
Anonymous | 12:22 p.m. June 25, 2008
the quasi-blind leading the quasi-blind.
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Anonymous | 12:25 p.m. June 25, 2008
gender equal-rights
gender equal-parity
gender equal-parity
Local Media Utah-egotism isWrong | 12:29 p.m. June 25, 2008
Why is it? As long as a local Mormonn group like Principle Voices expresses a
willingness to help FLDS that the media then calls them a "pro-polygamy
group" - as if to suggest that being pro-polygamy euqals being pro-FLDS.
Geographically larger and older than the Utah group is the national polygamy
rights movement for consenting adults - NATIONAL-level "pro-polygamy"
activism. Yet, the larger movement has always opposed the FLDS. But local
media won't report that. Instead, the media here refuses to report that
there is a larger activist movement more than only the Utah area's
Mormon-based polygamy. It's clear. Because the NATIONAL movement is
neither Mormon-based nor willing to be pro-FLDS, the media here refuses to
report the real, broader pro-polygamy activism.
Anonymous | 12:29 p.m. June 25, 2008
[flds]...no dignity, not justice...?
[non-flds]...no dignity, not justice...?
[non-flds]...no dignity, not justice...?
Why is it? | 12:30 p.m. June 25, 2008
Why is it? As long as a local Mormon group like Principle Voices expresses a
willingness to help FLDS that the media then calls them a "pro-polygamy
group" - as if to suggest that being pro-polygamy equals being pro-FLDS.
Geographically larger and older than the Utah group is the national polygamy
rights movement for consenting adults - NATIONAL-level "pro-polygamy"
activism. Yet, the larger movement has always opposed the FLDS. But local
media won't report that. Instead, the media here refuses to report that
there is a larger activist movement more than only the Utah area's
Mormon-based polygamy. It's clear. Because the NATIONAL movement is
neither Mormon-based nor willing to be pro-FLDS, the media here refuses to
report the real, broader pro-polygamy activism.
ddresearcher | 12:35 p.m. June 25, 2008
Educate Us:
Please continue your "education." Polygamy is in fact growing in the U. S., not diminishing. And it will continue to grow as the public stigma against it is lessened. It is hilarious to read the comments of people who know nothing about polygamy. They react strictly from prejudice. Your post is a perfect example.
Please continue your "education." Polygamy is in fact growing in the U. S., not diminishing. And it will continue to grow as the public stigma against it is lessened. It is hilarious to read the comments of people who know nothing about polygamy. They react strictly from prejudice. Your post is a perfect example.
Hello!People!!! | 12:38 p.m. June 25, 2008
Though I can't see how one man could handle a life with more than one
woman. I do belive they should be able to belive what they wnat to belive. With
out fear that the feds or the state are going to take every thing they have and
then some. Sure individuals rights must be protected and children should be
protected. But how do we justify what texas did? They took all the children
from the FLDS compund without so much as a shred of proof. They should have
done some investigating and done a little leg work before removing all the
children and even then it should have been on a case by case basis. Sure remove
the guilty but just because a few are bad do we punish all? Again it goes to
show just how broken the system has become. Circumstantial evidence is all taht
seems to be reqired any more for our judicial system to act. No proof just
accusation. We talk of equal rights where none trully exist. You can make a
phone call and have peoples children taken away with out so much as a shread of
proof. Now that's DFS for you.
zxcvbnm | 2:19 p.m. June 25, 2008
How long will it take before other pro pologamy groups are attacked for
publicly helping the FLDS.
On this blogg it won't be long.
Utah has taken steps to at least talk with the pologamy organizations as well as create a dialogue with Nevada, Arizona, and Texas. The dialogue approach is commendable but what will prevent Texas from taking the information gleaned from meetings and using it against the FLDS or other groups.
Hildebrand has already stated that he intends to introduce additional anti FLDS legislation in the next legislative session. The Texas Governor has as much as told the FLDS to get out of town.
A government appointed attorney is testifying today against her client.
The lower Texas courts will continue to rule against the FLDS in what appears to be an attempt to bleed the FLDS thru the appeals process.
The state has stated that they are looking into confiscating the ranch to recoup raid costs, as well as attempt to charge parents for two months of child care costs.
Utah and other groups may be "reasonable" but Texas will "uphold the law" and make more laws to fill any voids.
On this blogg it won't be long.
Utah has taken steps to at least talk with the pologamy organizations as well as create a dialogue with Nevada, Arizona, and Texas. The dialogue approach is commendable but what will prevent Texas from taking the information gleaned from meetings and using it against the FLDS or other groups.
Hildebrand has already stated that he intends to introduce additional anti FLDS legislation in the next legislative session. The Texas Governor has as much as told the FLDS to get out of town.
A government appointed attorney is testifying today against her client.
The lower Texas courts will continue to rule against the FLDS in what appears to be an attempt to bleed the FLDS thru the appeals process.
The state has stated that they are looking into confiscating the ranch to recoup raid costs, as well as attempt to charge parents for two months of child care costs.
Utah and other groups may be "reasonable" but Texas will "uphold the law" and make more laws to fill any voids.
AbolishSlavery | 2:34 p.m. June 25, 2008
Principle Voices is pro-polygamy, fine. But are they also pro-slavery? The S in
flds stands for Slavery. Slavery violates the 13th amendment of the United
States.
Anonymous | 2:42 p.m. June 25, 2008
"Pro-Polygamy Principle Voices" main objective is to police the groups
and report their efforts to the Attorney General Office.
Janet | 2:49 p.m. June 25, 2008
Well, Hey! I need a couple more husbands. It would make life much easier for me.
To "dd researcher" | 3:36 p.m. June 25, 2008
The fact that you think polygamy is increasing shows that you are
"pro" or one of them. I have educated myself and I have done much
research; I know what I'm speaking of. For years I have studied and asked
questions. I had family that was hurt by polygamy and I was going to get to the
bottom of why people would practice it. Of course, some men might want
"God" to "tell" people to do it, but I wondered about women.
For them it is mainly because of the patriarchal beliefs that they were raised
with or bought in to (that men are supposed to be over women and that
"God" has many wives) Sure, there may be more that may try it
initially just because there are more people in the world now, but they do not
continue. It is hurtful in many ways. If you think that it will continue you
are fooling yourself...you will not succeed.
Yeah, "pro-polygamy" | 4:13 p.m. June 25, 2008
How does that sound? Women having more than one husband! Actually, if you face
reality, sometimes both men and women sometimes have more than one spouse (but
just ONE AT A TIME). Both of my parents have and many of my grandparents have
had this and I've learned to cope. This is because society has rightfully
determined that it hurts people to have more than one at a time! Usually women
stick to this...sometimes men don't (they have more affairs, mistresses
etc). Time to face the facts! And for you men that think you will have more
than one wife in heaven; I have something to say to you! My sweet grandmothers
associate with more than one husband in heaven....they loved both of their
husbands just as some men say they loved more than one women. "God"
doesn't make them comply with your "rules".
Plural men | 11:31 p.m. June 25, 2008
I'm all for woman having more than one husband just as we men should have
if that's what we choose. My mother was married to 4 different men, and to
this day she still loves them all. My mother plans to have each one of these men
in the next life with her. They have all since died, and She said they were all
great men. And even at 75 she still says she wouldn't mind having at least
one more man.
Texson | 7:13 a.m. June 26, 2008
In all honesty I think Polygamy is gross, but I do not believe I have the right
to force my personal beliefs on others. I think if you as an ADULT want to have
more than one wife or Husband that is none of anybody else's business.
This of course misses the point of the FLDS raid. The alleged crime here is not Polygamy, but Child abuse. Apparently these people do not consider it abusive for a 13 year old Girl to marry a 70 year old man.
I can say without equivocation "IF" this occurred MOST Americans including those who practice polygamy would disagree with them. The sad reality is throughout history some of the most heinous acts have been committed in the name of God.
This of course misses the point of the FLDS raid. The alleged crime here is not Polygamy, but Child abuse. Apparently these people do not consider it abusive for a 13 year old Girl to marry a 70 year old man.
I can say without equivocation "IF" this occurred MOST Americans including those who practice polygamy would disagree with them. The sad reality is throughout history some of the most heinous acts have been committed in the name of God.
Grandpa Phil | 9:03 a.m. June 26, 2008
"Texson" we are all still waiting to see IF it really happened. Some
have convicted them all already without evidence of any kind. Hysterical public
opinion seems to be all that some have needed. The more pragmatic and
intelligent people are interested in waiting for the actual evidence to present
itself and for a fair and impartial justice system to weigh that evidence. If
such a judicial system exists in Texas, we hope it is utilized and this whole
affair be taken care of legally. We know the Appelate system works but we would
like to see it not have to.
Texson | 11:14 a.m. June 26, 2008
Phil my friend I could not agree with you more. This is precisely why I used the
terms "IF" and alleged. I believe that EVERYBODY is innocent until
proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.
Grandpa Phil | 12:02 p.m. June 26, 2008
Texson, that is very refreshing to hear. If more people felt like that, we
would not be in here discussing this.
zxcvbnm | 12:21 p.m. June 26, 2008
I just figured out how reality check can be placated as well as kept busy saving the children.
All those children saving crusaders can start a college fund for the FLDS kids. It shouldn't take long to raise enough cash for 400 four year degrees.
Heck..........just like Oral Roberts University I bet the FLDS could get a YFZ campus of Warren Jeffs University started.
With the transportion savings alone there should be enough money left over for a few truckloads of crayons.
Now......is everyone happy. Reality check has a crusade, the kids get an education, and the coloring level of the little ones improves.
Grandpa Phil | 1:46 p.m. June 26, 2008
zxcvbnm is a STITCH!!!!! I LOVE this Plan!! I love being a part of it!!
Let's DO IT!!!!!
Erica | 1:59 p.m. Oct. 21, 2008
Hey out here in the real world I have the freedom to learn about whatever I
want,marry who I choose,work where I want to work, and say whatever the hell I
want.I have opinions, I can make decisions for myself,and I can show any emotion
at anytime! Look up the definition of Cult and mindcontrol. FLDS is the greatest
living example.
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