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CB | 5:56 p.m. June 25, 2008
Did anyone see the interview between Bill O'Reilly and Cannon a month or
two ago on the plygamist issue ? Just that one interview was enough reason to
vote him out, what an embarrasment.
Anonymous | 6:14 p.m. June 25, 2008
To One down...434 to go:
It's one down 534 to go (435 in the house and 100 in the senate). Pork-Barrel Bennett and Out-of-Touch Orrin, here we come.
It's one down 534 to go (435 in the house and 100 in the senate). Pork-Barrel Bennett and Out-of-Touch Orrin, here we come.
Cats | 6:24 p.m. June 25, 2008
To former Cannon Staffer and any one else out there: Since I am a former Cannon
staffer I can tell all of you that "FORMER CANNON STAFFER" is right.
There is a reason why so many of Chris' former employees have sued him.
Almost no one who has had anything to do with Chris would support him now. He
goes through the world leaving lot of wreakage in his wake. I also don't
think anyone who knows Chris well would ever say that he is honest. He lies
when it's expedient and then lives in denial about it claiming people are
telling lies about him.
Fortunately, there is a true eternal principle that exists--what goes around comes around. Eventually your chickens come home to roost and you can't get away with these things any more. Chris is now paying the price for his dishonesty and his incompetence. It's a great day for Utah.
Fortunately, there is a true eternal principle that exists--what goes around comes around. Eventually your chickens come home to roost and you can't get away with these things any more. Chris is now paying the price for his dishonesty and his incompetence. It's a great day for Utah.
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Leroy | 6:42 p.m. June 25, 2008
"We the People" finally won. Cannon's days were numbered. He
was bought and paid for a number of years ago and finally got his dues. The
"little people" won and now it's one more secret combination
member who went to the loser's poll. We the people can now have true
principles of liberty and freedom shine in one more area. Yeah for the US
Constitution, down with the New World Order Freaks.
arc | 7:56 p.m. June 25, 2008
to the person that just listed there name as "arc" responding to my
email that Hatch and Bennett write back when you send the letters or emails with
your address: I know that staff helps. It has the Senator's signature, and
I am sure they know what is going in a going out with there name on it. Hatch
seems to even track what the last letter I wrote him was about. Yes, that takes
staff to help with that, but Cannon stopped doing it. From July in 2006 to May
of 2008, I got no response from Cannon. He started back up in June of 2008.
Perhaps because he cared, or perhaps because he was running.
Wagering is sinful, but | 7:57 p.m. June 25, 2008
I bet we'll see many more Republican wipeouts in November.
Even Utah wants change, and we're world famous for being conservative.
I almost always vote Republican, voted for Bush twice and lived to regret it. Time to give the other side a chance. I'll be voting Democrat in November.
Even Utah wants change, and we're world famous for being conservative.
I almost always vote Republican, voted for Bush twice and lived to regret it. Time to give the other side a chance. I'll be voting Democrat in November.
Mike Richards | 8:31 p.m. June 25, 2008
Unless the other states also send neophyte representatives to Congress, Utah is
going to be at a big disadvantage. Who is going to assign a new representative
to an important committee? Who is going to let a freshman representative
dictate policy? Who is going to even know that he is there?
The sad fact is that unless everyone is replaced, seniority counts. Replacing one republican with another republican defeats the system (and with the 3rd District being one of the most Republican Districts in the Nation, it is almost a given that the 3rd District Representative will be Mr. Chaffetz). Granted, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Congress, but change for the sake of change is counter-productive.
I extend my best wishes to Mr. Chaffitz, knowing full well that he will need all the help that he can get to represent the citizens of Utah. Being pragmatic, I'm truly concerned that a young, inexperienced, freshman Congressman will be able to do anything more than sit on the bench during his two years as a rookie.
The sad fact is that unless everyone is replaced, seniority counts. Replacing one republican with another republican defeats the system (and with the 3rd District being one of the most Republican Districts in the Nation, it is almost a given that the 3rd District Representative will be Mr. Chaffetz). Granted, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Congress, but change for the sake of change is counter-productive.
I extend my best wishes to Mr. Chaffitz, knowing full well that he will need all the help that he can get to represent the citizens of Utah. Being pragmatic, I'm truly concerned that a young, inexperienced, freshman Congressman will be able to do anything more than sit on the bench during his two years as a rookie.
Anonymous | 9:08 p.m. June 25, 2008
*** "The extremists who don't want to win elections have taken over
the party," he said, referring to Republicans in other parts of the
country. "We don't want that to happen in Utah. Politics is way too
important to leave to the boors." *** - Chris Cannon in the Daily Herald
This is the way this man talks: mean-spirited about the voters, denial about his own defeat, which he compared to getting "released" from a church calling.
When Chris Cannon was elected to Congress in 1996:
1) The GOP controlled both the House and Senate. Today they control neither, and are getting ready to lose the White House, too.
2) The federal budget was nearly balanced. Today we're going on 7 years of record deficits.
3) The economy was riding high. Today it's heading into it's 2nd recession in 7 years.
4) Congress had decent approval ratings. Today it's at a historic low.
Of course, NONE OF THIS is Chris Cannon's fault. It's the fault of ghosts, goblins, the boogeyman and, of course, THE VOTERS.
Chris Cannon: He's deluded, deceptive, in denial an downright disturbed. His defeat has evealed him to be the person I thought he was all along.
This is the way this man talks: mean-spirited about the voters, denial about his own defeat, which he compared to getting "released" from a church calling.
When Chris Cannon was elected to Congress in 1996:
1) The GOP controlled both the House and Senate. Today they control neither, and are getting ready to lose the White House, too.
2) The federal budget was nearly balanced. Today we're going on 7 years of record deficits.
3) The economy was riding high. Today it's heading into it's 2nd recession in 7 years.
4) Congress had decent approval ratings. Today it's at a historic low.
Of course, NONE OF THIS is Chris Cannon's fault. It's the fault of ghosts, goblins, the boogeyman and, of course, THE VOTERS.
Chris Cannon: He's deluded, deceptive, in denial an downright disturbed. His defeat has evealed him to be the person I thought he was all along.
Anonymous | 9:17 p.m. June 25, 2008
*** "The sad fact is that unless everyone is replaced, seniority counts.
Replacing one republican with another republican defeats the system (and with
the 3rd District being one of the most Republican Districts in the Nation, it is
almost a given that the 3rd District Representative will be Mr. Chaffetz).
Granted, there is a lot of dissatisfaction with Congress, but change for the
sake of change is counter-productive." ***
And that's exactly what everyone thinks, Mike. That and the advantages of name recognition and the campaign contributions from business interests going almost exclusively to incumbents in order to buy power - the advantages of incumbency is what's given us a Congress with scarcely a 26% approval rating and that refuses to address the serious problems facing this nation.
I despise people with your attitude. It's an inane way of looking at our political process. I'd rather have a guy with NO seniority voting for my interests than a guy with loads of seniority working against them.
And that's exactly what everyone thinks, Mike. That and the advantages of name recognition and the campaign contributions from business interests going almost exclusively to incumbents in order to buy power - the advantages of incumbency is what's given us a Congress with scarcely a 26% approval rating and that refuses to address the serious problems facing this nation.
I despise people with your attitude. It's an inane way of looking at our political process. I'd rather have a guy with NO seniority voting for my interests than a guy with loads of seniority working against them.
Thank You Mr. Cannon | 9:29 p.m. June 25, 2008
I volunteered and voted for Jason Chaffetz. His views most closely reflected my
own.
That said, I appreciate the service Mr. Cannon has rendered. I didn't agree with him, but I didn't hate him either.
I think a lot of people are trying their best to set Chaffetz up to fail. Chaffetz gave us the courtesy of offering very direct and specific answers to our questions - something neither Cannon nor Leavitt would do. Leavitt stayed as general as possible. And Cannon told stories to avoid giving direct answers.
But just because someone favors a policy position and has the guts to say so does not mean he is promising to force the rest of the body to implement that position. It's nonsense to say that Chaffetz must succeed in implementing every policy preference he expressed during the campaign. He told us his agenda - which I appreciate - but I think we all know he won't get everything he wants. Certainly not during the first term. No Congressman does. I'm just glad to know what direction he'll try to push things.
That said, I appreciate the service Mr. Cannon has rendered. I didn't agree with him, but I didn't hate him either.
I think a lot of people are trying their best to set Chaffetz up to fail. Chaffetz gave us the courtesy of offering very direct and specific answers to our questions - something neither Cannon nor Leavitt would do. Leavitt stayed as general as possible. And Cannon told stories to avoid giving direct answers.
But just because someone favors a policy position and has the guts to say so does not mean he is promising to force the rest of the body to implement that position. It's nonsense to say that Chaffetz must succeed in implementing every policy preference he expressed during the campaign. He told us his agenda - which I appreciate - but I think we all know he won't get everything he wants. Certainly not during the first term. No Congressman does. I'm just glad to know what direction he'll try to push things.
Tend to agree Jason | 10:05 p.m. June 25, 2008
Our good old boys are not getting the job done...howevfer, to replace them with
Democrats would be a blow to the country too...we just need to get some workers
on the job again. People who will vote with their heads..stand up to
enviornmentalists and liberals who have taken us to where we are now...our
economy will be shambles if things don't get straightened out soon..wind
and sun for energy..? sounds like a big party folks, how are we going to get
there?
Mike Richards | 10:15 p.m. June 25, 2008
To 9:17,
Dispise if you must. That is your privilege.
To think that everyone in public service can be bought by special interest groups shows that you believe that everyone in Congress has no morals. I've found that people who have no trust or faith in their fellow men are not deserving to be be trusted themselves.
That is unfortunate.
Some Congressmen have proven that they have no morals, but many have done the best that they could, notwithstanding the polarization of the parties.
It is a free country. You are free to vote for whomever you choose, but I will never vote 'against' someone. If I don't think that a candidate represents my views, I will vote for the person that does, even if I have to write-in that candidate.
Dispise if you must. That is your privilege.
To think that everyone in public service can be bought by special interest groups shows that you believe that everyone in Congress has no morals. I've found that people who have no trust or faith in their fellow men are not deserving to be be trusted themselves.
That is unfortunate.
Some Congressmen have proven that they have no morals, but many have done the best that they could, notwithstanding the polarization of the parties.
It is a free country. You are free to vote for whomever you choose, but I will never vote 'against' someone. If I don't think that a candidate represents my views, I will vote for the person that does, even if I have to write-in that candidate.
Another campaign mom | 10:41 p.m. June 25, 2008
Interesting comments, especially from CATS and "Former Cannon
Staffer". And Campaign Mom, I totally agree with you. I put Chaffetz
signs back up 10 times in one location. They weren't stolen or destroyed,
just taken out and carefully laid face down on the ground. On the way down the
hill from University mall into Provo, we CLEARLY saw a Chaffetz sign thrown on
the grass behind the fence, with a spiffy new Cannon sign in front of it. So
classy - NOT. Jason said over and over to be nice. I never touched a Cannon
sign, but many of the Chaffetz signs I put up were torn down and discarded close
by, or simply disappeared.
And oh, according to cannon, I'm one of the boorish people in the third district who voted for Cannon. Nice to see what you REALLY think of your constituency.
And oh, according to cannon, I'm one of the boorish people in the third district who voted for Cannon. Nice to see what you REALLY think of your constituency.
Anonymous | 11:02 p.m. June 25, 2008
*** "To think that everyone in public service can be bought by special
interest groups shows that you believe that everyone in Congress has no
morals." ***
I don't think that of EVERYONE in public office - I think that of many of them. Given all the things Chris Cannon has said since his defeat it's quite clear that he's deluded, deceptive, disturbed - and in denial.
I don't think that of EVERYONE in public office - I think that of many of them. Given all the things Chris Cannon has said since his defeat it's quite clear that he's deluded, deceptive, disturbed - and in denial.
Utah Independent voter | 11:20 p.m. June 25, 2008
"When Chris Cannon was elected to Congress in 1996:
1) The GOP controlled both the House and Senate. Today they control neither, and are getting ready to lose the White House, too.
2) The federal budget was nearly balanced. Today we're going on 7 years of record deficits.
3) The economy was riding high. Today it's heading into it's 2nd recession in 7 years.
4) Congress had decent approval ratings. Today it's at a historic low."
------
These are exactly why I'm choosing the Democratic party candidates for the next 4 years. (Locally, please see Corroon's and Matheson's record for the citizens...much better performance than those with little R's next to their name...Boo on the GOP.)
Hopefully people will tire of $4 and soon $5 gasoline (bet me what it'll be by Labor Day) and immigration nothingness and vote for people who will do something. Try a D for once Utah!
1) The GOP controlled both the House and Senate. Today they control neither, and are getting ready to lose the White House, too.
2) The federal budget was nearly balanced. Today we're going on 7 years of record deficits.
3) The economy was riding high. Today it's heading into it's 2nd recession in 7 years.
4) Congress had decent approval ratings. Today it's at a historic low."
------
These are exactly why I'm choosing the Democratic party candidates for the next 4 years. (Locally, please see Corroon's and Matheson's record for the citizens...much better performance than those with little R's next to their name...Boo on the GOP.)
Hopefully people will tire of $4 and soon $5 gasoline (bet me what it'll be by Labor Day) and immigration nothingness and vote for people who will do something. Try a D for once Utah!
Never liked Cannon... | 12:01 a.m. June 26, 2008
On two occasions, I wrote twice on issues to Chris Cannon.
First issue was my concern for health care for single parents and how really, it's the kids the take the hit. I asked to get step it up on fixing health care for Utah residents.
Second issue was regarding the proposed laws by the Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America of which any college student can have all government funding denied just because they download a copyrighted song/movie.
Back in high school, I had the chance to meet this man. He himself said that when someone sends a letter about an issue to his office, it's like speaking out for the rest of your neighborhood and spreading awareness.
Yeah right. Other than the generic "Thank You for your concern" when you send an email, nothing was done nor any acknowledgment to begin with.
I don't care who gets elected, just get something done and stop sitting on tax dollars.
First issue was my concern for health care for single parents and how really, it's the kids the take the hit. I asked to get step it up on fixing health care for Utah residents.
Second issue was regarding the proposed laws by the Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America of which any college student can have all government funding denied just because they download a copyrighted song/movie.
Back in high school, I had the chance to meet this man. He himself said that when someone sends a letter about an issue to his office, it's like speaking out for the rest of your neighborhood and spreading awareness.
Yeah right. Other than the generic "Thank You for your concern" when you send an email, nothing was done nor any acknowledgment to begin with.
I don't care who gets elected, just get something done and stop sitting on tax dollars.
Gadfly | 1:46 a.m. June 26, 2008
Seeking change for change sake (i.e., more Democrats in Congress, a far-left
Democrat in the White House, and more liberal legislator-"judges" who
care more about what Europeans think than what the Founding Fathers thought) is
foolish in the extreme. That's like stepping on the gas when you realize
you are driving in the wrong direction and are headed for a cliff and see that
"change" is needed. One has to ask, "Change to what?! Change for
what?!" More Democrats means higher confiscatory taxes, higher (not lower)
gas prices, deep economic recession or depression, economic and environmental
totalitarianism, government-controlled medical care, more federally-funded
bail-outs to reward the lack of personal responsibility, nazi-like political
correctness and censorship (unless of course you are worshiping the false gods
of liberalism), mandated pro-homosexual school curriculum, weak national
defense, illegal alien amnesty, federally-funded partial-birth murder, and many
more "advances," all blended with the stinking sewage of anything-goes
immorality and licentiousness. Yes, that's definitely the
"change" we need.
Ridgerunner | 2:12 a.m. June 26, 2008
The conservative voters fired Cannon for acting like a liberal. He never walked
the talk! The conservatives elected a Republican congress and they blew it by
not representing conservative values. The American people fired some in the last
election and the remaining Republican members of congress still didn't get
the message! Maybe now? Too late! The only question now is can our country can
survive 4 years of liberal Democrat abuse? Brace yourself America, here comes
higher taxes, ever higher gas prices, negotiating with terrorists, activist
judges, same sex marriages, gun control, and a demise of the military. Got your
food storage in?
Utah so different | 4:46 a.m. June 26, 2008
I came to this site because I'm interested in politics and was curious
about the results of your 3rd district primary. After reading the comments
here, and on the "LDS anti-gay amendment" story, I feel that Utah is
like a different country if not a different century. Weird.
Gadfly | 8:15 a.m. June 26, 2008
To "Utah so different":
You couldn't have given us a nicer compliment.
You couldn't have given us a nicer compliment.
What a Choice | 8:38 a.m. June 26, 2008
To Former Cannon Staffer: what was it you said? How many staffers left
voluntarily? Answer: very few? How in the world does that square with your
assertion that none or almost none of his staffers have had a positive
experience with him? If few of them left voluntarily, then they certainly
weren't running for the door from their "bad experience." It is
just as plausible that they were awful employees, and had to be sacked. That
speaks to Cannon's failure to properly vet potential employees. I would
challenge you and Cats to post your names here, so we can check your own
records, even to check whether or not you even worked for Cannon.
I would also like to point out the misleading facts you use to support your arguments. Turnover in Congressional offices is incredibly high. When I worked for Jim Hansen, he was considered an anomaly because his staffers stayed for more than 2 years on average. I wasn't one of them, but I loved working for Jim, and my leaving had to do with the inherently transitory nature of the job. Shame on you for using misleading figures (intentionally, I'm guessing).
I would also like to point out the misleading facts you use to support your arguments. Turnover in Congressional offices is incredibly high. When I worked for Jim Hansen, he was considered an anomaly because his staffers stayed for more than 2 years on average. I wasn't one of them, but I loved working for Jim, and my leaving had to do with the inherently transitory nature of the job. Shame on you for using misleading figures (intentionally, I'm guessing).
Saccharomyces cerevisiae | 5:34 p.m. June 26, 2008
Chaffetz ran on two key issues:
Illegal Immigration & Government Spending.
These are also the two issues where Cannon ignored his constituency. These are also the two issues that have lost President Bush support from conservatives.
So here is the take home message: If you try to appease the Liberals, they will still hate you and the Conservatives will leave you.
Illegal Immigration & Government Spending.
These are also the two issues where Cannon ignored his constituency. These are also the two issues that have lost President Bush support from conservatives.
So here is the take home message: If you try to appease the Liberals, they will still hate you and the Conservatives will leave you.
arc | 6:59 a.m. June 27, 2008
Sacchar:
Jason ran on 4 key issues:
Fiscal Discipline
Limited Government
Accountability
Strong National Defense
You will notice you got one of two.
Did he say anything about other issues? Yes.
Did I vote for him because he was tougher than Cannon on immigration? No.
Cannon lost because he had lost accountability. Period. All the lame excuses for voting for bills he didn't support didn't help.
Jason ran on 4 key issues:
Fiscal Discipline
Limited Government
Accountability
Strong National Defense
You will notice you got one of two.
Did he say anything about other issues? Yes.
Did I vote for him because he was tougher than Cannon on immigration? No.
Cannon lost because he had lost accountability. Period. All the lame excuses for voting for bills he didn't support didn't help.
Anonymous | 11:40 a.m. June 27, 2008
We did it. Goodbye to Cannon. Parting is such sweet victory!
OremPam | 12:08 p.m. June 27, 2008
I'm delighted with the Chaffetz victory. It has renewed my hope that Utah
may yet break out of this misplaced, antiquated "seniority" fixation
regarding its legislators. Republicans in Washington need to get their house
(& Senate) in order again. And it wouldn't hurt to grow a new spine,
while they're at it. Jason has promised to stand & deliver. I believe
him. But a word to the soon-to-be new incumbent Chaffetz. We'll be
keeping a close watch.
Anonymous | 3:07 p.m. June 28, 2008
Give me term limits, or give me death.
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