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Oh NO! | 10:28 a.m. June 24, 2008
Death threats!! Oh,no! as I search frantically through the article to find out
"who has made them"? Surely the violent FLDS have threatened to kill
her, but no "she doesn't know who made them". Maybe it was her
husband and family that don't like her anymore since she is loosing her
credibility, and her career as a lawyer.
Haha | 11:01 a.m. June 24, 2008
The Texans are really playing this whole thing for all it's worth.
Regardless of their effort to spin themselves into being the victims in the situation, they have no one to blame but themselves for a bogus raid, kangaroo court hearing, false imprisonment, judicial slap-down, and sham lawyer representation.
They should put Walther out to pasture before she marches herself into club fed.
Regardless of their effort to spin themselves into being the victims in the situation, they have no one to blame but themselves for a bogus raid, kangaroo court hearing, false imprisonment, judicial slap-down, and sham lawyer representation.
They should put Walther out to pasture before she marches herself into club fed.
Who To Believe | 10:59 a.m. June 24, 2008
I read through the e-mails that were sent to the attorney and I really doubt
that the 16 year old girl wrote them.From listening to all the women that was
interviewed on TV --they did not talk like the girl is supposed to be writing
and it gets to being--hey you can't believe anyone on either side.I am so
glad that I have no part in any of the decisions that will have to be made.Just
please everyone take care of all the children .
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Re: Who To Believe | 11:15 a.m. June 24, 2008
You listen to the women talk, and that doesn�t sound like
the writing of a teenager? Are you kidding?
Mike | 11:16 a.m. June 24, 2008
Any attorney could file a friend of the court brief and ask that this
"Wacko" judge recuse herself from hearing these cases involving the
FLDS. Stillfurther, an attorney could file a complaint with the Texas State Bar
requesting a thorough investigation into wrongdoing on the part of this
court-appointed attorney.
wingnut | 11:33 a.m. June 24, 2008
This couldn't be GRANDSTANDING could it? It's so unlike a lawyer to
do such a thing. Now is this the same boogy-man bodyguard the judge had? Or is
this an entirely new one? Is the lawyer paying the costs herself or is this
another way to drain off excess texas-taxes?
this lawyer | 11:49 a.m. June 24, 2008
is probably doing her best to represent the interests of the child. if the
child was "spiritually married" at 15, it seems worthy of
investigation.
Gal50 | 11:49 a.m. June 24, 2008
Anyone could have issued these death threats. Given what certain FLDS members
have done in Utah it could be them, but it could also be someone who wants to
make the FLDS look bad. Then, there seems to be a lot of third-party interest in
this case, so anyone who thinks he has been wronged by the government or who
identifies with the FLDS could have issued the threats.
All I can say about this is that when your kind heart motivates you to do charitable work, pick your tasks carefully. Volunteering to provide free legal counsel to the FLDS may bring you death threats, and being on a school board or town counsel will keep you up all night.
I think the death threats will convince the judge that she is on the right course in issuing the restraining order. There are a few people within the FLDS who have a history of aggressive behavior and Willie Jessop is one of them. The death threats indicate that this battle is about something much larger than allowing this girl to write a letter to her father. This girl does need a functioning client-attorney relationship for tomorrow.
All I can say about this is that when your kind heart motivates you to do charitable work, pick your tasks carefully. Volunteering to provide free legal counsel to the FLDS may bring you death threats, and being on a school board or town counsel will keep you up all night.
I think the death threats will convince the judge that she is on the right course in issuing the restraining order. There are a few people within the FLDS who have a history of aggressive behavior and Willie Jessop is one of them. The death threats indicate that this battle is about something much larger than allowing this girl to write a letter to her father. This girl does need a functioning client-attorney relationship for tomorrow.
Texas justice | 12:27 p.m. June 24, 2008
What is that bound so tightly over your eyes?
Not a veil of tears
A tissue of lies
Not a veil of tears
A tissue of lies
JND | 12:34 p.m. June 24, 2008
Too bad polygamy lovers, you won't get away with all of it.
R | 12:35 p.m. June 24, 2008
//I think the death threats will convince the judge that she is on the right
course in issuing the restraining order.//
That may be so, but without any idea as to where the death threats came from, or whether they're sincere or a prank, then how can she rationally arrive at that conclusion?
That may be so, but without any idea as to where the death threats came from, or whether they're sincere or a prank, then how can she rationally arrive at that conclusion?
zxcvbnm | 12:46 p.m. June 24, 2008
Between the judges bodyguards and the Malonis bodyguards the FLDS crew may need a few bodyguards to keep Teresa and her lawyer from having a spat.
tigerlily | 12:55 p.m. June 24, 2008
no one is being charged with polygamy and no one will be.
COSMO | 1:07 p.m. June 24, 2008
Re:Gal50; Must work for CPS. How does she know that the death threats are from
the FLDS,or if they are even real, for that matter.
We are talking about an agency that lied on every aspect of this case. Again, they play the sympathy, for the CPS card.
We are talking about an agency that lied on every aspect of this case. Again, they play the sympathy, for the CPS card.
wingnut | 1:12 p.m. June 24, 2008
"Too bad polygamy lovers, you won't get away with all of it."
Sounds enough of a threat to get the FLDS each their own bodyguards.
Sounds enough of a threat to get the FLDS each their own bodyguards.
WashCo | 1:14 p.m. June 24, 2008
Talking about FLDS Blogs, I thought this was a FLDS Blog. Most of the posts
here appear to come from the FLDS. Check out the DVD from your library called
"Banking on Heaven: Polygamy in the Heartland of the American West".
It's a real eye-opener. Has interviews with Carolyn Jessop, Flora Jessop,
and even Warren Jeff's sister. I see little difference between Warren
Jeffs and Jim Jones or David Koresh.
reply to cosmo and R | 1:35 p.m. June 24, 2008
I don't work for CPS and never would. In my particular state, I've
overlooked a few neglected children because they were probably better off
without CPS in their lives.
Readers don't have to take sides. It not like CPS is Godlike and the FLDS is devil-like or vice-versa. There is a lot of gray in this story along with the black.
I didn't say the death threats are from the FLDS. They could as easily be from someone on the outside who wants to make the FLDS look bad. That's what the phone call seemed to be about.
What I did say is that the death threats do not help the FLDS shake off this latest restraining order especially since there is documentation showing that Willie Jessop can be hostile to the law and court proceedings. You have a judge looking at a lot of lawlessness and she is going to want to control it a bit better.
That being said, I still feel the Jeff's girl is being victimized. I am hopeful that her guardian ad litem can appear in court with her tomorrow and that someone can advise her as to the nature of her testimony.
Readers don't have to take sides. It not like CPS is Godlike and the FLDS is devil-like or vice-versa. There is a lot of gray in this story along with the black.
I didn't say the death threats are from the FLDS. They could as easily be from someone on the outside who wants to make the FLDS look bad. That's what the phone call seemed to be about.
What I did say is that the death threats do not help the FLDS shake off this latest restraining order especially since there is documentation showing that Willie Jessop can be hostile to the law and court proceedings. You have a judge looking at a lot of lawlessness and she is going to want to control it a bit better.
That being said, I still feel the Jeff's girl is being victimized. I am hopeful that her guardian ad litem can appear in court with her tomorrow and that someone can advise her as to the nature of her testimony.
JND | 1:59 p.m. June 24, 2008
Come on, admit it. Some of you would like to see Malonis dead.
Jed | 2:19 p.m. June 24, 2008
We need to get rid of FLDS polygamy and Gay people getting married. These two
large moral issues need to come to an end! It's time to clean up the USA.
Cats | 2:37 p.m. June 24, 2008
It is obvious that many of the blogs here are from FLDS members.
Anyone who knows anything about the FLDS, and how they operate, knows that these girls and women are being completely controlled and manipulated. This cult clearly has completely lost the principle of personal moral agency (free agency) and the teachings of Joseph Smith. They also think it is perfectly acceptable to lie when it's expedient.
Joseph Smith counseled the Saints to "stay with the main body of the Church. That's where the truth will be." Unfortunately, men with big egos, lust for power and out-of-control sex drive left the truth and have misguided and controlled these poor people for many decades.
Warren Jeffs now has publicly confessed that he is NOT a prophet, he NEVER WAS and he is one of the most wicked men of this dispensation. I think we should take him at his word! Willie Jessop and the others are no better. I hope these people will now have the courage to see what their leaders really are. You have the right to be free. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW FALSE PROPHETS ANY LONGER!
Anyone who knows anything about the FLDS, and how they operate, knows that these girls and women are being completely controlled and manipulated. This cult clearly has completely lost the principle of personal moral agency (free agency) and the teachings of Joseph Smith. They also think it is perfectly acceptable to lie when it's expedient.
Joseph Smith counseled the Saints to "stay with the main body of the Church. That's where the truth will be." Unfortunately, men with big egos, lust for power and out-of-control sex drive left the truth and have misguided and controlled these poor people for many decades.
Warren Jeffs now has publicly confessed that he is NOT a prophet, he NEVER WAS and he is one of the most wicked men of this dispensation. I think we should take him at his word! Willie Jessop and the others are no better. I hope these people will now have the courage to see what their leaders really are. You have the right to be free. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW FALSE PROPHETS ANY LONGER!
Hum? | 2:44 p.m. June 24, 2008
I think some of you are missing the point (again). Why won't the courts
allow a defendant to request a new lawyer? Making a request is a fundamental
right. By disallowing a request, Texas is opening the door for an instant
appeal; just add water.
This is about basic constitutional rights. The crime is relevant if basic legal rights are violated. Wasn't it Jefferson who said, "It is better that 10 guilty men go free then to have one innocent man convicted".
Come on people. Let's not forget the constitution in this matter. FLDS people have rights too, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.
This is about basic constitutional rights. The crime is relevant if basic legal rights are violated. Wasn't it Jefferson who said, "It is better that 10 guilty men go free then to have one innocent man convicted".
Come on people. Let's not forget the constitution in this matter. FLDS people have rights too, even if we disagree with their lifestyle.
Justthefactsmaam | 3:13 p.m. June 24, 2008
Personally, I'd like to see all sinners a) repent; or b) die (get off this
planet that belongs to the righteous and stop persecuting the righteous on their
own planet). Their choice. Of course, I won't murder or help anyone to kill
them. God will kill them Himself. Either in this life or the life to come.
I would assume that all Scripturally rational people would feel the same way. You DO KNOW DO YOU NOT that Jesus comes back the 2nd time as a WARRIOR in a BLOODY WAR according to Revelation, right?
By the way, I'm not FLDS nor LDS nor ever have I been. I am a Scriptural scholar, however.
>>>Re: There are a few people within the FLDS who have a history of aggressive behavior and Willie Jessop is one of them.
You've made this claim 2 times. You even claimed it was DOCUMENTED. Where is your documentation? If you can't produce it, stop making an unsupported claim.
I would assume that all Scripturally rational people would feel the same way. You DO KNOW DO YOU NOT that Jesus comes back the 2nd time as a WARRIOR in a BLOODY WAR according to Revelation, right?
By the way, I'm not FLDS nor LDS nor ever have I been. I am a Scriptural scholar, however.
>>>Re: There are a few people within the FLDS who have a history of aggressive behavior and Willie Jessop is one of them.
You've made this claim 2 times. You even claimed it was DOCUMENTED. Where is your documentation? If you can't produce it, stop making an unsupported claim.
Justthefactsmaam | 3:15 p.m. June 24, 2008
R | 12:35 p.m. June 24, 2008
//I think the death threats will convince the judge that she is on the right course in issuing the restraining order.//
That may be so, but without any idea as to where the death threats came from, or whether they're sincere or a prank, then how can she rationally arrive at that conclusion?
>>>Re: the above, what ever led you to believe that Walthers was rational in the first place?
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Jed | 2:19 p.m. June 24, 2008
We need to get rid of FLDS polygamy and Gay people getting married. These two large moral issues need to come to an end! It's time to clean up the USA.
>>>Yes to the gay people. No to the polygynists. Otherwise, you'd have to kick the God of the Bible out of the USA. Or have you not read Jeremiah Chapter 3 and Ezekiel 23 in your King James Bibles where Godly plainly describes himself as a POLYGYNIST HUSBAND with MULTIPLE WIVES.
Oops.
Justthefactsmaam
//I think the death threats will convince the judge that she is on the right course in issuing the restraining order.//
That may be so, but without any idea as to where the death threats came from, or whether they're sincere or a prank, then how can she rationally arrive at that conclusion?
>>>Re: the above, what ever led you to believe that Walthers was rational in the first place?
**********
Jed | 2:19 p.m. June 24, 2008
We need to get rid of FLDS polygamy and Gay people getting married. These two large moral issues need to come to an end! It's time to clean up the USA.
>>>Yes to the gay people. No to the polygynists. Otherwise, you'd have to kick the God of the Bible out of the USA. Or have you not read Jeremiah Chapter 3 and Ezekiel 23 in your King James Bibles where Godly plainly describes himself as a POLYGYNIST HUSBAND with MULTIPLE WIVES.
Oops.
Justthefactsmaam
Threatening email | 3:18 p.m. June 24, 2008
After Teresa sent a letter to the judge, her lawyer sent her the following
threatening email:
"Writing that letter to the Judge was about the most foolish thing you could have done. The Judge is now convinced that you are not able to make good decisions for yourself, and she is convinced also that your mother is not able to make proper decisions for you either Teresa, the Judge wants to take you back in custody and what's worse is that these poor choices may end up with your siblings back in custody if the Judge and CPS think your mother is not able to reign you in. The judge would probably not allow me to withdraw right now even if I requested it because the Judge sees me as the only person who is looking out for what is in your legal interests."
"Writing that letter to the Judge was about the most foolish thing you could have done. The Judge is now convinced that you are not able to make good decisions for yourself, and she is convinced also that your mother is not able to make proper decisions for you either Teresa, the Judge wants to take you back in custody and what's worse is that these poor choices may end up with your siblings back in custody if the Judge and CPS think your mother is not able to reign you in. The judge would probably not allow me to withdraw right now even if I requested it because the Judge sees me as the only person who is looking out for what is in your legal interests."
Justthefactsmaam | 3:22 p.m. June 24, 2008
The LDS church is, by theological definition, APOSTATE.
This is not a matter of debate.
It is a matter of simple theological definition of what apostasy is
When you have an original revelator, such as Joseph Smith, who DIES for a principle, in this case, Polygyny, and then later it is DROPPED LIKE A HOT POTATO simply because one is being threatened to be killed by the US ARMY
(what? you didn't know that that wasn't a sufficient condition, having the mere US army on your doorstep threatening to kill you, to drop an ETERNAL principle?)
and that prophet, in this case, would be EX-communicated by today's LDS church because of his 34 wives! then
THAT CHURCH IS AN APOSTATE church.
Joseph Smith also commanded living the United Order.
Does LDS live the United Order? no.
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young BOTH taught and preached the Adam-God doctrine. Their MANY sermons on this topic are public and in Temple Square's libraries!
Does LDS teach Adam-God doctrine? No! They say it's HERESY today!
I do not call LDS even MORMONS. They are simply APOSTATES. What kind of apostates they are, that's for God to judge. I am not FLDS.
This is not a matter of debate.
It is a matter of simple theological definition of what apostasy is
When you have an original revelator, such as Joseph Smith, who DIES for a principle, in this case, Polygyny, and then later it is DROPPED LIKE A HOT POTATO simply because one is being threatened to be killed by the US ARMY
(what? you didn't know that that wasn't a sufficient condition, having the mere US army on your doorstep threatening to kill you, to drop an ETERNAL principle?)
and that prophet, in this case, would be EX-communicated by today's LDS church because of his 34 wives! then
THAT CHURCH IS AN APOSTATE church.
Joseph Smith also commanded living the United Order.
Does LDS live the United Order? no.
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young BOTH taught and preached the Adam-God doctrine. Their MANY sermons on this topic are public and in Temple Square's libraries!
Does LDS teach Adam-God doctrine? No! They say it's HERESY today!
I do not call LDS even MORMONS. They are simply APOSTATES. What kind of apostates they are, that's for God to judge. I am not FLDS.
east troy | 3:25 p.m. June 24, 2008
You can spin this all you want FLDS members, pretending somethings didn't
happen, and making really unbelievable excuses for the things that obviously did
happen (yeah, Warren was putting on a demonstration, that's why he was
kissing a 12 year old in spoofed wedding pictures, right...).
But you need to come back to reality. Nobody is going to believe your spin when you have a document that clearly states 'husband' and 'wife', and all the members on it except the ones under legal age admit to being spiritual husband and wife.
Despite your teachings, we are not stupid (nor are we evil, but that is another topic). When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has ducklings, and has the DNA of a duck, its a DUCK.
This girl is most likely going to lie or clam up to protect her spot on a future planet and other faithful members. Duh. Doesn't matter - other evidence is damning enough to blatantly tell the truth, even if it's not enough for a conviction. Clean up the abuse, and stop permanently damaging children! The more you protest and spin stories, the more obvious and disgusting these crimes appear.
But you need to come back to reality. Nobody is going to believe your spin when you have a document that clearly states 'husband' and 'wife', and all the members on it except the ones under legal age admit to being spiritual husband and wife.
Despite your teachings, we are not stupid (nor are we evil, but that is another topic). When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has ducklings, and has the DNA of a duck, its a DUCK.
This girl is most likely going to lie or clam up to protect her spot on a future planet and other faithful members. Duh. Doesn't matter - other evidence is damning enough to blatantly tell the truth, even if it's not enough for a conviction. Clean up the abuse, and stop permanently damaging children! The more you protest and spin stories, the more obvious and disgusting these crimes appear.
JND | 3:35 p.m. June 24, 2008
Dear Hum,
You asked:
�Why won't the courts allow a defendant to request a new lawyer?�
There�s a good answer to your question: The courts know, even though they can�t say so publicly, that the girl said one thing when safely away from the compound and has changed her story only now that she�s back in the compound. It is quite legitimate for them to assume that her earlier statements are the truth and that her current statements are bogus.
Rod Parker knows this, of course. He�s just doing his job, as the girl�s attorney is doing her job.
You asked:
�Why won't the courts allow a defendant to request a new lawyer?�
There�s a good answer to your question: The courts know, even though they can�t say so publicly, that the girl said one thing when safely away from the compound and has changed her story only now that she�s back in the compound. It is quite legitimate for them to assume that her earlier statements are the truth and that her current statements are bogus.
Rod Parker knows this, of course. He�s just doing his job, as the girl�s attorney is doing her job.
zxcvbnm | 3:41 p.m. June 24, 2008
Can someone clear a few things up. Did the pologamists threaten the gays, or did the gays threaten Malonis, or was it the Walther support crowd that threatened the gay security guards. Could it be that Willie is a gay polygamist security guard that has threatened Malonis for not allowing Walther to have a gay armed guard. Could the gay armed security guard union now sue because Texas won't allow gay marraige.
I really think Teresa may be a gay polygamist with a crush on a Lawyer that is having an affair with Willie.
Someone needs to make a phone call quick before the lord returns and is shot by someone protecting all these officers of the court from the gay polygamist boogie man having an affair with the virgin pregnant girl.
No wonder the kid is so confused........
realitycheck | 3:49 p.m. June 24, 2008
These people murdered an entire city of dogs. Moving on to a human being
isn't a stretch at all. These people are dangerous. What do you not
understand?
Religious fanatics (and these people are obviously fanatics - no one can argue about that) are extremely dangerous people. The FLDS is called "American Taliban" for a reason.
I'm seriously suprised at how naive some of you seem to be. Do you really think "blood atonement" is a myth? Wake up, people. You're blinded by the little prairie dresses and the big hair of the women. Just look into Willie's or Warren's eyes and tell me I'm wrong.
Religious fanatics (and these people are obviously fanatics - no one can argue about that) are extremely dangerous people. The FLDS is called "American Taliban" for a reason.
I'm seriously suprised at how naive some of you seem to be. Do you really think "blood atonement" is a myth? Wake up, people. You're blinded by the little prairie dresses and the big hair of the women. Just look into Willie's or Warren's eyes and tell me I'm wrong.
ChaiTea | 3:52 p.m. June 24, 2008
It's funny, I've read that the girl did not want to talk to Malonis at
the compound, did not want to walk out with her, was upset that Malonis gave a
false impression to the 'keepers,' did not want to meet Malonis the
next morning for breakfast.
Now she doesn't want to have anything to do with Malonis...
So...what has really changed? She didn't want to respond to her at the Compound, Malonis threatened her. She doesn't want to respond to Malonis here, and Malonis threatens Teresa.
Sounds like their relationship is on-going as it began.
Very sad. This poor, poor girl. Hasn't she been through enough? Leave her alone.
Now she doesn't want to have anything to do with Malonis...
So...what has really changed? She didn't want to respond to her at the Compound, Malonis threatened her. She doesn't want to respond to Malonis here, and Malonis threatens Teresa.
Sounds like their relationship is on-going as it began.
Very sad. This poor, poor girl. Hasn't she been through enough? Leave her alone.
realitycheck | 4:04 p.m. June 24, 2008
Justthefactsmaam -
why are you telling us about LDS vs FLDS? No one cares. We know FLDS are religious fanatics. Doesn't matter what religion you follow - when you live as weird a life and make stupid rules that serve NO ONE, then you simply make a fool of yourself. So you have succeeded in making 10,000 fools. Good job.
Try ditching the funky clothes, giving your people full freedom (their God-given freedom), and stop trying to turn your entire life into a religious experience, then you may get some respect. For now, you are simply rideculed.
Apostates? try looney-birds.
why are you telling us about LDS vs FLDS? No one cares. We know FLDS are religious fanatics. Doesn't matter what religion you follow - when you live as weird a life and make stupid rules that serve NO ONE, then you simply make a fool of yourself. So you have succeeded in making 10,000 fools. Good job.
Try ditching the funky clothes, giving your people full freedom (their God-given freedom), and stop trying to turn your entire life into a religious experience, then you may get some respect. For now, you are simply rideculed.
Apostates? try looney-birds.
Wild Bill | 4:09 p.m. June 24, 2008
I hope the supposed agressive FLDS memebers actually
do become agressive. The Law has been used to harm
a peacefull people. They have as of yet not been found guilty of a single case of abuse nor neglect.
I am sure if you took 500 children and interviewed all of them you will find a few cases of abuse or neglect. The FLDS is a closed group of people who wish to be left alone to practive there religion in the way they see fit.
Although they have in the past practiced arranged
marriages that sometimes were to underage girls,
This does not condone wholesale lies on the part
of Texas CPS.
The people of the United States need to examine there hearts and souls to find the truth in all of this.
The wholesale theft of 400 children for months
with legal authority is criminal.
When the do gooders of the world realize that most
people don't really care who sleeps with who we may
really have a better world.
The constant bible bangers who want to save us from
our selves may lead this nation in the third world war for Jesus.
Religon is the Enemy. YES
do become agressive. The Law has been used to harm
a peacefull people. They have as of yet not been found guilty of a single case of abuse nor neglect.
I am sure if you took 500 children and interviewed all of them you will find a few cases of abuse or neglect. The FLDS is a closed group of people who wish to be left alone to practive there religion in the way they see fit.
Although they have in the past practiced arranged
marriages that sometimes were to underage girls,
This does not condone wholesale lies on the part
of Texas CPS.
The people of the United States need to examine there hearts and souls to find the truth in all of this.
The wholesale theft of 400 children for months
with legal authority is criminal.
When the do gooders of the world realize that most
people don't really care who sleeps with who we may
really have a better world.
The constant bible bangers who want to save us from
our selves may lead this nation in the third world war for Jesus.
Religon is the Enemy. YES
ediddy | 4:14 p.m. June 24, 2008
GAL50 is a wolf in sheeps clothing with respect to the FLDS. She started off in
her earlier post representing herself as a "non partisan" observer,
but her comments have become increasingly clear that she is anti FLDS, which is
fine, but make no mistake, her interests do not favor the FLDS. Lately she seems
inclined to fan the flames of innuendo and bigotry without basis. BTW, GAL50
stands for guardian ad leitem, per her earliest postings. I believe she is part
and parcel of the CPS system. Could be wrong. Just my opinion.
Thotman | 4:21 p.m. June 24, 2008
Reality check I see your handlers have put you here to propagandize on the
DESNEWS board. a whole city..wow thats a lot of dogs...did they get the mayor
dog and the top dog or did they just get those who worked like dogs... I am sure
glad you are here keeping the public informed about the evils before us.
Somehow I think you made more sense when you thot you could only type two
lines.
An interesting twist to the goings on down there...I do hope in the end some justice will be served.
An interesting twist to the goings on down there...I do hope in the end some justice will be served.
ediddy | 4:20 p.m. June 24, 2008
to reality check:
Your clear insinuation that unless people live as you do, whatever that standard may be, they are fanatics or weird, and to obtain respect they need to abandon their beliefs in favor of what?...yours?, is the ranting of a bigot and a redneck (in the worst sense). Sorry to those I know who are decent rednecks. I didn't mean to offend you by comparing you to "reality check." He is trying to get a real life, but has not yet found the map.
Your clear insinuation that unless people live as you do, whatever that standard may be, they are fanatics or weird, and to obtain respect they need to abandon their beliefs in favor of what?...yours?, is the ranting of a bigot and a redneck (in the worst sense). Sorry to those I know who are decent rednecks. I didn't mean to offend you by comparing you to "reality check." He is trying to get a real life, but has not yet found the map.
Kev | 4:27 p.m. June 24, 2008
Re:Wild Bill, I don't know if you are FLDS or not? However, my guess is
that you are FLDS, because no LDS would say the things you do. Do you also think
that warran jeffs is a prophet?
No Morals!
No Morals!
ediddy | 4:25 p.m. June 24, 2008
In spite of reality check's obtuse attitude, justthefactsmaam needs to
abide by the moniker and get the facts straight. I'd correct the several
errors in her explanation, but it would do no good and take time which i no
longer have to waste today.
realitycheck | 4:27 p.m. June 24, 2008
wild bill -
you want the people of the United States to find the truth in all of this? We already did. What don't you get?
The truth is... these people take innocent women and children and turn them into drones. The people of the United States understand this and do not approve of thousands of innocent victims being denied their basic God-given freedoms. We have fought countless battles to provide fredom to many, and it is disturbing (to put it lightly) that a small group of men should have such power over such a large number of women and children, forcing them into a life they would not want IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING DONE TO THEM.
So you can preach up a storm about freedom of religion, but since you're not addressing the freedoms being denied the victims, we will assume that... well, you just don't get it.
Turning thousands of people into religious drones is more Taliban than American. May I suggest Afganistan as your next stop? Don't be scared - they live just like (and have the same rights as)the FLDS.
you want the people of the United States to find the truth in all of this? We already did. What don't you get?
The truth is... these people take innocent women and children and turn them into drones. The people of the United States understand this and do not approve of thousands of innocent victims being denied their basic God-given freedoms. We have fought countless battles to provide fredom to many, and it is disturbing (to put it lightly) that a small group of men should have such power over such a large number of women and children, forcing them into a life they would not want IF THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS BEING DONE TO THEM.
So you can preach up a storm about freedom of religion, but since you're not addressing the freedoms being denied the victims, we will assume that... well, you just don't get it.
Turning thousands of people into religious drones is more Taliban than American. May I suggest Afganistan as your next stop? Don't be scared - they live just like (and have the same rights as)the FLDS.
zxcvbnm | 4:29 p.m. June 24, 2008
Ok......Now we have to arrest all dog hateing gay polygamists as well as the Taliban.
Why not just move. At the rate that those dog hateing gay polygamists bread in 5 or 10 thousand years they might take over all of west Texas.
Then the illegal aliens, the taliban, and dog haters will unite and the end of the world will come leaving only the polygamist gays to repopulate the earth.
I'm so scared.......I need to hide my dog.
mypc | 4:39 p.m. June 24, 2008
How can an adult send a young child a threatening note. and as for JND and his
comment..The girl is not at the (compound)ranch. She wants to got home to YFZ
ranch. We need to realize she is almost 17. In the long run she will be old
enough to go home in a year.That is one child the cannot terminate next year.
Shellseeker | 4:58 p.m. June 24, 2008
This Natalie Malonis is grandstanding for the press. She is looking for her 15
minutes of fame. I don't believe for a second that her life was
threatened. She should be disbarred and the girl she represents should file a
complaintr against her with the bar association for violating the
attorney-client privilege - that is what would happen in Utah. In Texas . . .
who knows???
realitycheck | 4:58 p.m. June 24, 2008
ediddy and Thotman -
I guess you just don't get it. I don't want them to live as I do - I want them to live as they want to live. EACH ONE - INDIVIDUALLY. These children have NO CHOICE on how they live, and never will. What don't you get?
These "parents" care MUCH more about their church than about their children. Otherwise they would give their kids some options in life, instead of making little FLDS drones.
And everyone knows the FLDS killed all the dogs in Colorado City because Jeffs told them to. They have NEVER denied this - it's public knowledge that they have admitted. You think that's ok? Puts them right in Michael Vick's league. Not much further to "blood atonement". (Guess you think that's just urban legend)
I'm glad you think everything's ok in mini-Afganistan (I mean FLDS-land). You should join them and see if your kids really want to grow up like that. You want to steal your children's future? Go ahead. You'll pay in the end, since you will have done to others what you would HATE to have done to you. See how far that gets you.
I guess you just don't get it. I don't want them to live as I do - I want them to live as they want to live. EACH ONE - INDIVIDUALLY. These children have NO CHOICE on how they live, and never will. What don't you get?
These "parents" care MUCH more about their church than about their children. Otherwise they would give their kids some options in life, instead of making little FLDS drones.
And everyone knows the FLDS killed all the dogs in Colorado City because Jeffs told them to. They have NEVER denied this - it's public knowledge that they have admitted. You think that's ok? Puts them right in Michael Vick's league. Not much further to "blood atonement". (Guess you think that's just urban legend)
I'm glad you think everything's ok in mini-Afganistan (I mean FLDS-land). You should join them and see if your kids really want to grow up like that. You want to steal your children's future? Go ahead. You'll pay in the end, since you will have done to others what you would HATE to have done to you. See how far that gets you.
TheNextGovernor | 5:20 p.m. June 24, 2008
Mrs. Malonis is clearly biased and as one said earlier, grand standing for
political reasons.
Joey | 5:21 p.m. June 24, 2008
realitycheck, the "Stealing [of their] children's future" was not
the reason the state went in there, although if they don't find any
WMDs...er..evidence of sexual abuse, then that might become the pretext yet.
zxcvbnm | 5:20 p.m. June 24, 2008
Ok Reality check: If we make them get a dog will you feel better. I bet they get pit bulls to use for security. The next time we send in the swat teams the poor guys will have their hands full taking pot shots at all the nasty little beasts. The gunfire may wake up the children. Would you really want that?
realitycheck | 5:26 p.m. June 24, 2008
never said they went in because the basic civil rights of all the children were
being violated. I simply said that it was wrong.
You think it's ok for children to be indoctrinated into a life of servitude. I don't. Guess that's where we differ....
You think it's ok for children to be indoctrinated into a life of servitude. I don't. Guess that's where we differ....
Julie | 5:39 p.m. June 24, 2008
I have read books written by people who have lived the FLDS lifestyle. They are
all too familiar to each have made it up. I do find it humorous to read the
"revelations" they belive have come from heaven....it makes me sad
that people can be led so easily even when they see others being harmed. If I
lived with my father, knew him and trusted him and suddenly was told he was evil
and excommunicated and my mother and her children would now be given to another,
I think I would wake up, and many of these members have. Warren Jeffs is
psychotic and Willy Jessop is a bully who most likely would never be able to
find a wife outside of the ranch.
John Lambert | 5:55 p.m. June 24, 2008
There are too many Jeffs mentioned in the article. I can't keep them all
straight. Is it the 16-year-old or the one who is an Adult who wants to get rid
of Malonis as her lawyer? It is unclear.
Cathy | 6:03 p.m. June 24, 2008
TO John Lambert
FLDS Inbreeding does a number on the reading columns. I cannot figure out which inbred person from the next.
FLDS Inbreeding does a number on the reading columns. I cannot figure out which inbred person from the next.
Has Texas learned anything? | 6:23 p.m. June 24, 2008
I can't believe anyone in power hasn't put a stop to this insanity on
the part of Texas. Malonis is not helping get this man prosecuted - her
behavior will destroy the case.
If this girl doesn't get another attorney and winds up being in contempt at the grand jury, a whole can of worms is going to be opened.
If she does testify, the defense is going to make a big deal of her be coerced into saying certain things to keep her siblings out of foster care!
What would be the harm in assigning her another attorney? Really, it doesn't have to be Parker, but just a new person to start over with based on trust. Going on Nancy Grace, was not in the girl's best interest! True or not true, those comments should have been kept as private as possible.
Everyone should try to establish trust with these children - let them come forward when they are ready - not when it makes political sense to CPS. That's the only way changes will be made in the FLDS - force will only make these girls more determined to stay with FLDS.
If this girl doesn't get another attorney and winds up being in contempt at the grand jury, a whole can of worms is going to be opened.
If she does testify, the defense is going to make a big deal of her be coerced into saying certain things to keep her siblings out of foster care!
What would be the harm in assigning her another attorney? Really, it doesn't have to be Parker, but just a new person to start over with based on trust. Going on Nancy Grace, was not in the girl's best interest! True or not true, those comments should have been kept as private as possible.
Everyone should try to establish trust with these children - let them come forward when they are ready - not when it makes political sense to CPS. That's the only way changes will be made in the FLDS - force will only make these girls more determined to stay with FLDS.
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