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Justice | 7:11 p.m. June 24, 2008
There is a spiritual environment just as surly as there is a physical
environment. No one has a right to spew trash and garbage throughout the
community or in people�s faces. Like wise no one has the
right to spew immorality and wickedness through out the community or in peoples
faces. No one has the right to seduce children, youth or adults into immorality
and wickedness. We all have a right to have a clean spiritual environment just
as we have a right to a clean physical environment. There is absolutely no
right of homosexuality and it�s train of evils. You cannot
harm another to your advantage and ever get away with it in eternity. The
universe will pass away before retribution will be escaped. Retribution may not
be immediate, but it will be exact and absolute right down to the last atom. If
we truly understand God� perfect justice upon us then no
one could be induced to harm another for money, for fame, for pride, for
pleasure or for anything. The test of mortality is an environment allowing us
to imagine we can hurt or take advantage of others with impunity. Not so!!
MY SLC | 7:13 p.m. June 24, 2008
Way to go Deseret News: Not only 1 article but 2 articles in 2 days! WOW! the
hatred is coming out on both sides. There are many other important things to
worry about. This issue is not about Utah.
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Dutch | 7:15 p.m. June 24, 2008
The voices from the large and spacious building are getting louder and it is sad
many members of the church have let go to join them- The speration of the wheat
from the tares has begun.
War | 7:16 p.m. June 24, 2008
�"I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" a movie
that stars Adam Sandler, Kevin James and Jessica Biel in one of the most blatant
politically correct, anti-Christian movies. The movie is nothing more than
anti-Christian, pro-homosexual propaganda that attacks the traditional,
Judeo-Christian moral values of American culture. The excessive homosexual
content is just more psychological conditioning from the neo-Marxist,
anti-Christian politically correct philosophers of our day who are trying to
normalize all such aberrant behaviors. Some of these opinion leaders even
support lenient prison sentences for pedophiles who abuse children (unless, of
course, the pedophile happens to be a Christian leader or white male
clergyman).� Of course these opinion leaders are indeed
sponsored by the establishment with unlimited funds. Anyone who has done their
home work realizes that there is a war against morality sponsored by the rich
schemers of this world. They have attacked morality on every front.
It�s called the war between good and evil.
Judge Fairly | 7:21 p.m. June 24, 2008
It�s interesting how anyone who condemns a poster for judging is in fact judging the poster himself. So should we judge? Of course we should. We do it every day. It is part of living. We should judge fairly, righteously, honestly and not for the purpose of hurting anyone. In our judgments we should be careful not to do evil or in other words not to injure anyone�s God given rights. Is speaking out against evil, sin and crime an evil judgment?. No, it�s our duty. Is it wrong to bring people to justice? Nope! That�s why we have policemen, judges and juries. We all judge if something is good or evil every day. In our minds we judge people�s morality, capability, intelligence, etc.. That�s why we have resumes and interviews so employers can make sound judgments. We all judge the rightness or wrongness of man made laws, of government actions, of trends and fads and doctrines etc. Homosexuality has been judged as evil by the Great Judge of the this earth. Governments have judged it as the abominable and detestable crime against nature. That�s easily demonstrated and that�s good enough for me.
Glad to see it | 7:33 p.m. June 24, 2008
I am glad to see so many fellow saints proudly proclaim that they are on the
Lord's side also!
" Who's on the Lord's Side WHO?"
Can you honestly belive that you are on the Lord's side when you support and attempt to legitimize sinful behavior? Homosexuality is abomination and those that practice in such deviant behavior will suffer consequences in the world to come.
" Who's on the Lord's Side WHO?"
Can you honestly belive that you are on the Lord's side when you support and attempt to legitimize sinful behavior? Homosexuality is abomination and those that practice in such deviant behavior will suffer consequences in the world to come.
Tell me? | 7:43 p.m. June 24, 2008
Repeating because it's an important question:
Who takes marriage advice from a church that esteems leaders and prophets who had 30-50 wives (Jos. Smith & Brigham Young), married teenagers (Jos. Smith & Brigham Young), disposed of women's living husbands so they could marry them (Jos. Smith), intimidated fathers into giving up their daughters under threat of damnation (Jos. Smith), and sealed plural marriages for 10 years after their Manifesto abolishing polygamy (Wilfred Woodruff, Jos. F. Smith and other GAs)?
Who takes marriage advice from a church that esteems leaders and prophets who had 30-50 wives (Jos. Smith & Brigham Young), married teenagers (Jos. Smith & Brigham Young), disposed of women's living husbands so they could marry them (Jos. Smith), intimidated fathers into giving up their daughters under threat of damnation (Jos. Smith), and sealed plural marriages for 10 years after their Manifesto abolishing polygamy (Wilfred Woodruff, Jos. F. Smith and other GAs)?
Jon Salley | 7:46 p.m. June 24, 2008
I love the Mormon Church, but I'm very uncomfortable with the Church
officially backing an initiative of this type. Why? Because I think it's
discriminatory. For the life of me I do not see how gay marriage will hurt
heterosexual marriage. Gays and lesbians constitute a tiny minority and always
will. They have abnormal biological sex drives. So let them marry. It's not
going to hurt the rest of us and it the fair thing to do. The only concern I
have about gay marriage is gay couples adopting children. I'm not sure
it's emotionally healthy to grow up in the home of two same sex parents,
although it's preferable if the same sex parents are more loving than a
neglectful heterosexual couple. Tough issues to be sure. But let's stay
politically neutral on this issue, as we do with most every other issue.
plather | 7:48 p.m. June 24, 2008
the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round... Do you people ever
get tired of hearing yorself's plather on and on about the same tired old
things everyday? do you really need a boggy man to be afraid of this badly?
.....
the babies on the bus go waah, waah, waah
the babies on the bus go waah, waah, waah
MY SLC | 8:00 p.m. June 24, 2008
The comments here are redundant. No body is convincing the others the change
their minds.
Those who are in support of the LDS church are claiming religious text and thought. Those who are opposing are claiming equal rights and fairness.
The fact is same sex marriage is going to cross the nation. It already is in 2 states and several others recognize marriage from other states, i.e. New York.
Will the LDS church change it position? who cares!
Will it happen, even in Utah? Yes!
Those who are in support of the LDS church are claiming religious text and thought. Those who are opposing are claiming equal rights and fairness.
The fact is same sex marriage is going to cross the nation. It already is in 2 states and several others recognize marriage from other states, i.e. New York.
Will the LDS church change it position? who cares!
Will it happen, even in Utah? Yes!
Billions | 8:03 p.m. June 24, 2008
Billions are being spent in the USA by the insiders and the corrupt government to promote homosexuality. The government and the insiders have hired Marxist oriented professors to rewrite history, to revise history favoring fascism and secularism. They have spent hundreds of millions publishing new textbooks that promote homosexuality and N.W.O. propaganda and placing them in the schools of America. They have spent many millions discrediting the Founding Father, the Constitution and Christianity. They spend hundreds of millions producing T.V. shows, movies and educational information encouraging homosexuality. They spend millions creating unjust laws and propaganda supporting gay and lesbian behavior and stifling Christian�s freedom of religion and freedom of speech. The insiders have a many trillion dollar slush fund to implement the N.W.O. and they can always create more out of thin air. They are attacking our nation from every angle. There has never been such an onslaught of deliberately organized, promoted evil. They have paid organizers who arrange new homosexual organization throughout the country and their materials and their goals are the same. They sponsor the gay pride parades. Satan�s power has always been economic and political and he is pulling out all the stops.
Re: AWB | 8:03 p.m. June 24, 2008
As an active member of the church I am already committed to giving all of my
time, means and energy to supporting the doctrines I hold dear. The letter
given by the first presidency is just reaffirming what I am already doing. I
don't understand why we can't be just as zealous, open and organized
as those organizations who support gay marriage.
Anonymous | 8:07 p.m. June 24, 2008
If I want advice about how to vote I'll go to a source that *doesn't*
venerate and name it's premier educational institution after a man who said
Adam was God; was a flat out racist and declared war on the USA.
RC | 8:11 p.m. June 24, 2008
Correct me if I am wrong, but in this country we enjoy many individual freedoms
and rights: freedom of religion and freedom of speech being two of them. Even
though we are members of the church do we not also still enjoy the freedom of
speech and the ability to speak out against political policies we do not agree
with? Shame on CA's liberal judges (who by the way do not create
legislation)to strike down what the people overwhelmingly voted down.
ken | 8:18 p.m. June 24, 2008
the LDS church should ask its members to do everything and anything possible
reguarding the constitutional amendment to ban same sex civil marriages in the
state of California. The church should not speak out to non members on this
issue which I dont think they are doing.That would put the church in a position
of playing politics and I dont think the church needs to do that.It's up to
its members to take a stand on issues, not the brethern in Salt Lake City,but
there is nothing wrong with the idea of the brethern to incourage its California
members to voice the churches opinion on this issue.Then its up to the members
to either follow that request or not.
TetonMike | 9:12 p.m. June 24, 2008
This one isn't so tough...what part of "with Liberty and Justice for
ALL." is the church leadership having trouble understanding? Don't
like gays getting married? Don't marry one.
How interesting this will be in the fall elections if Mitt has to defend his faiths history of plural marriages AND try to tell another state what they can or cannot do in that regard.
Speak out Both Sides of Your Mouth much?
How interesting this will be in the fall elections if Mitt has to defend his faiths history of plural marriages AND try to tell another state what they can or cannot do in that regard.
Speak out Both Sides of Your Mouth much?
boiseguy | 9:13 p.m. June 24, 2008
What goes around.. comes around.. and you would think what has already come
around to the LDS people would not be passed back around to minority groups.
Sadly, it is. It only leaves the door open for it to come back around to them.
What is the cost of one battle in a war for equal rights? for people fighting
for their equal rights under the law.. there is no end. People will demand their
freedom and rights, whether you agree with it or not. Giving equal marriage
rights under the law does not make you have to agree with it. Most gay people
could care less what you think. They just want their rights. The church acting
in this matter, will eventually alienate itself from society at large.
Eventually same sex marriage will be allowed, whether you want to acknowlege it
or not. Every ban that is enacted can and will be continually challenged in the
courts because it contradicts discrimination laws.
I hope for your sakes, that what you push around doesn't come back at you again. like I said earlier, don't expect an ounce of sympathy from me. What goes around comes around.
I hope for your sakes, that what you push around doesn't come back at you again. like I said earlier, don't expect an ounce of sympathy from me. What goes around comes around.
Louis | 9:14 p.m. June 24, 2008
Germany rallied as much around a cause as well in the 30's and 40's. I
think you all need to take a step back and look at the cause and rabidness that
the faithful are going after this one. And yes the faithful claimed christianity
back then. Funny how wrong is just wrong when in the right perspective.
To Billions | 9:20 p.m. June 24, 2008
Conspiracy theory, much? Your paranoia is glaringly visible.
Anon | 9:21 p.m. June 24, 2008
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of
our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how,
where, or what they may.
Flaming Ray | 9:31 p.m. June 24, 2008
Silly you all are. The mormon church does not hold enough power, yield the
influence, and does not have the numbers to stop the will of the people--yes
other people whom worship Jesus Christ.. maybe not the mormon Jesus but still
the son of God. Well anyway, you have fun but you are further more making your
man made hatred at odds with mainstream society; but of course your hatred is
caused by me and not of the indoctrination process you have been through.
Who's right | 9:37 p.m. June 24, 2008
So is it right to say that if the ballot lost, as in marrige remains legal in
CA, then what the LDS Church leaders say about this matter is not right then? As
in, the prophets of God are just voicing their own opinion and not really
inspiration from God? Remember the "fatherly advice" that, I think,
President Lee gave many decades ago?
boiseguy | 9:43 p.m. June 24, 2008
If the mormon church is so opposed to it then why are they not promoting gay
sexual acts to be illegal? seems they're understanding and loving until you
actually choose to express your love to someone and build a life with them. I
think this nation should be more focused on promoting family values for
EVERYONE.. and not just subjecting everyone to one belief system. Gays getting
married and building lives together is a much better outcome than being
constantly treated as outcasts and scum of the earth. And we wonder why as a
society that dangerous and destructive behaviour exists in the gay community
with drug abuse and illness. People with no purpose or value will destroy
themselves. Its easier to keep them in their place and consistantly point the
finger at them, rather than allow them to build and live healthy lifestyles.
As a believer in God, I personally believe gay people wanting to get married is a GOOD thing, it shows they are willing to step up to the plate and live constructive positive lives with love and family values. You oppressive christian soldiers do not see this nor care. Your minds are closed and set.
As a believer in God, I personally believe gay people wanting to get married is a GOOD thing, it shows they are willing to step up to the plate and live constructive positive lives with love and family values. You oppressive christian soldiers do not see this nor care. Your minds are closed and set.
To Who's right|9:37 | 9:44 p.m. June 24, 2008
The real problem is that only around 1% (or far less)of population follow what
you would call your prophet of god. Just because you say he is your profit
doesn't make it right; I believe in a prophet as well a she has pointed me
in the other direction.
re: Even more clarity | 9:56 p.m. June 24, 2008
"You are wholly wrong. The practice of homosexuality in my family would
deprive me of offspring."
No one is forcing you to be a homosexual, so you're still wrong. The gay community is NOT a threat to you.
No one is forcing you to be a homosexual, so you're still wrong. The gay community is NOT a threat to you.
Follower of Christ | 9:59 p.m. June 24, 2008
Christ was un afraid to condemn outright sin when He saw it. He was very
forgiving to those who were WILLING TO CHANGE, but not once, ever, in recorded
scripture, did He forgive one who refused to change and follow the commands of
God. Those unwilling to change He openly and publicly denounced as HYPOCRITES
and SINNERS.
God has said, unequivicably, and in no way can it be twisted about, that homosexuality is a SIN. Period. In His own words, it is an ABOMINATION. Why would any church, not just the LDS faith, but ANY church that claims to follow Christ, support legalized abominations. Every church that claims to follow Christ MUST oppose homosexuality. If they give an inch, if they support gay marraige, then they are acting contrary to the will of God. They cease to be christian, since being christian denotes following Christ.
I openly oppose gay marraige. I openly oppose homosexuality itself as the abomination it is. I stand with the Lord. The Good Book says that not all that say Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those that do the will of the Father. Christians, get off you duffs and speak out.
God has said, unequivicably, and in no way can it be twisted about, that homosexuality is a SIN. Period. In His own words, it is an ABOMINATION. Why would any church, not just the LDS faith, but ANY church that claims to follow Christ, support legalized abominations. Every church that claims to follow Christ MUST oppose homosexuality. If they give an inch, if they support gay marraige, then they are acting contrary to the will of God. They cease to be christian, since being christian denotes following Christ.
I openly oppose gay marraige. I openly oppose homosexuality itself as the abomination it is. I stand with the Lord. The Good Book says that not all that say Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those that do the will of the Father. Christians, get off you duffs and speak out.
Kris | 10:10 p.m. June 24, 2008
Again this issue captivates people much like Hilter did Germany. I do not think
Jesus the Christ intended these type feelings. What say you my friends??? or
have you been so well trained in hatred that you you would not even know the
difference. Do you even personally know a Gay to make such a decision?
Complete Lack of Revelation | 10:10 p.m. June 24, 2008
For years there was no revelation within the LDS Church to overturn the archaic
view that a person's skin color was something other than genetic. And it is
clear again with this issue that leaders are years from recognizing the fact
that sexual preference is as natural and God-given as we know the color of
one's skin or gender to be today. For years it has been blatantly obvious
that the Church reacts to pressure or simply follows the moral majority rather
than in any way leading by revelation. It is all about PR and acceptance while
the heavens remain closed to the modern Church. So while dissapointing there
really should be no real surprise here.
Anonymous | 10:11 p.m. June 24, 2008
Whether you believe it or not the First Presidency is guided and speaks for God.
Believe God and follow him and with that, understanding comes, whether in this
life or the next.
re: Anonymous | 4:05 p.m. June 2 | 10:12 p.m. June 24, 2008
"So are children entitlesd to mother AND father or not?"
Obviously they aren't "entitled" to anything. Once again, for most of human history, children lost one or both parents quite early in life. THAT btw is how "God" made things and it has been MANKIND that has allowed people to live longer to raise their children to adulthood. Or are you people really so ignorant that you think the entirety of human history was like the 1950s?
Obviously they aren't "entitled" to anything. Once again, for most of human history, children lost one or both parents quite early in life. THAT btw is how "God" made things and it has been MANKIND that has allowed people to live longer to raise their children to adulthood. Or are you people really so ignorant that you think the entirety of human history was like the 1950s?
re: Which Way America? | 10:17 p.m. June 24, 2008
Murder, forced robbery, child porn, wife beaters and child molesters HARM OTHER
PEOPLE. Homosexuals do not.
re: RE: Nature | 4:42 p.m. June | 10:19 p.m. June 24, 2008
"Animals are not sentient beings. They act out of impulse."
You've obviously never owned a dog.
You've obviously never owned a dog.
Nice Try.... Anon|10:11 | 10:22 p.m. June 24, 2008
Ummm, I don't think your prophet or your first presidency speaks for God...
I think that job is already taken by the the Pope; Thank you very much!!
re: Alex | 4:48 p.m. | 10:23 p.m. June 24, 2008
"[Homosexuality] is equal to Wife Abuse and Child Molestation."
How do you figure?
How do you figure?
Erosion of Marriage? | 10:29 p.m. June 24, 2008
I am struck by comments about erosion of marriage of America. I am struck that
claims of homosexual marriage is further evidence of this erosion. Yet,
marriage seems to have been eroding long before the first states even considered
same-sex marriage. To say that gay union will further destroy marriage is
unfounded and perhaps wrong based on case studies in other countries were gay
couples are allowed to marry such as Denmark. I think this statement by the
church was expected based on the previous example they have led on the same
issue in California a few years back. However, it is still disappointing to see
the lack of consistency in their Christian teachings. It would seem that the
gospel is one of exclusivity meant for those who are straight. I wonder how the
church would feel if such organizations as PFLAG, GLAAD, or ACLU lobbied for the
revoking of recognition of the church as a religious institution. To me the
church's statement would be similar to that.
Anonymous | 10:33 p.m. June 24, 2008
I wonder who will be outside LDS meetinghouses on Sunday. Maybe they'd
even like to come inside and investigate the LDS.
Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. | 10:39 p.m. June 24, 2008
"And by the way man was created in separate creation from the animals and
was given dominion over them."
In what is clearly (to any scientifically educated person) an allegorical parable that did NOT literally happen.
In what is clearly (to any scientifically educated person) an allegorical parable that did NOT literally happen.
Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. | 10:39 p.m. June 24, 2008
"Sin is the breaking of God�s Commandments, all of
which protect freedom."
Wrong. Of the "Big ten" the first four are INFRINGEMENTS on freedom, particularly freedom of religion.
Wrong. Of the "Big ten" the first four are INFRINGEMENTS on freedom, particularly freedom of religion.
Incredible | 10:46 p.m. June 24, 2008
Billions | 8:03 p.m.--how paranoid can you get?
clear point | 10:52 p.m. June 24, 2008
I find this letter very hurtful. I am so disappointed in the church. They forget
their own history...polygamy and future temple marriage for men only to more
than one woman??? If we took the bible literally we would have one messed up
world. The Bible has more upsetting crazy stories than any other book I've
read. It makes me realize even further that the prophet does not have a direct
line to God. He had a chance to do such good but no he had to go with the crazy
Christian rights and have good people fight good people who just love each other
and want the same rights to do so. They don't want to take anything away
from anybody or demean marriage. Why would anyone else's marriage demean
mine? I pray God will forgive for spreading more divisive hurtful prejudice
that would deny anyone the same rights that everyone else has. My wish is that
the prophet would have sent out a letter telling members to do everything they
can to help the poor and the needy. That instead of building beautiful temples
and fighting to descriminate, they would be spending their money on saving a
starving person.
Just a thought | 10:57 p.m. June 24, 2008
God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
Jesus loves all... | 10:56 p.m. June 24, 2008
You people are all very crazy. I would think the mormon jesus loves the gays
just the same as the christian jesus loves the mormons.
Imagine | 11:10 p.m. June 24, 2008
Imagine there are no liberals.
It is easy if you try.
No one to say you hate them, if you only disagree.
No activists judges, legislating from the bench.
All the lovely people, living like they should.
You may say that I am a dreamer,
But I am not the only one
I hope someday you will join us, in the brother hood of man
It is easy if you try.
No one to say you hate them, if you only disagree.
No activists judges, legislating from the bench.
All the lovely people, living like they should.
You may say that I am a dreamer,
But I am not the only one
I hope someday you will join us, in the brother hood of man
Anonymous | 11:11 p.m. June 24, 2008
Bet they're busy in the COB trying to figure out who leaked the letter.
Anonymous | 11:16 p.m. June 24, 2008
It not a question of whether god loves his "gay" or not.
He has his laws.
We can conlude from the answers to my questions gays think these two things:
Children are NOT entitled to a mother and father.
And animal behavior excuses their behavior.
Talk about muddled thinking.
He has his laws.
We can conlude from the answers to my questions gays think these two things:
Children are NOT entitled to a mother and father.
And animal behavior excuses their behavior.
Talk about muddled thinking.
To: Just a thought|10:57 | 11:17 p.m. June 24, 2008
I'm pretty sure God created Steve too! He is my neighbor so I have
testimony to that fact.
Follow the Prophet | 11:28 p.m. June 24, 2008
Just because the Prophet opposes the Union does not mean he hates Homosexuals.
Tenderheart, aching | 11:34 p.m. June 24, 2008
How many of you remember when smokers claimed it was their right to smoke
and that it was nobody else's business and wouldn't harm others? Now
we know that second-hand smoke has devastating effects beyond the damage to the
smokers themselve.
Today some people are claiming that same sex so-called "marriage" is their right and nobody else's business and won't harm others. Just because they can't forsee widespread devastating effects doesn't mean there won't be any.
Seeing those kinds of unintended results is a job for a prophet. Hmmm.
Today some people are claiming that same sex so-called "marriage" is their right and nobody else's business and won't harm others. Just because they can't forsee widespread devastating effects doesn't mean there won't be any.
Seeing those kinds of unintended results is a job for a prophet. Hmmm.
Standing Firm and Free in Canada | 11:39 p.m. June 24, 2008
Homosexuality is gender identity confusion. Homosexuals cannot reproduce as
heterosexual couples so they must as a group recruit. Where do they find their
recruits. Well, it has been my experience that they find them from the
offspring of heterosexual couples. Herein lies the danger.
Some 30+ years ago in Canada I found myself engaged to a man who it turned out was a homosexual. At that time it was against the law to be homosexual.
Now it's becoming against the law to be heterosexual...at least that is the goal of these groups. So then, where will they find their recruits? Artificial Insemination may be all neat and tidy for these people but did ANYONE ASK THE CHILDREN??? Let's ask a child who has been raised in a home such as this??? Who wouldn't rather have a loving and devoted male and female set of parents.
How to totally complicate a child's life! No one has that right. We will all bear the brunt of this chaos but especially OUR CHILDREN!!! We must fight this on every level with whatever resources we have.
Some 30+ years ago in Canada I found myself engaged to a man who it turned out was a homosexual. At that time it was against the law to be homosexual.
Now it's becoming against the law to be heterosexual...at least that is the goal of these groups. So then, where will they find their recruits? Artificial Insemination may be all neat and tidy for these people but did ANYONE ASK THE CHILDREN??? Let's ask a child who has been raised in a home such as this??? Who wouldn't rather have a loving and devoted male and female set of parents.
How to totally complicate a child's life! No one has that right. We will all bear the brunt of this chaos but especially OUR CHILDREN!!! We must fight this on every level with whatever resources we have.
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