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LDS Church backs marriage measure on California ballot

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Re:Re:Which way america | 4:52 p.m. June 24, 2008

Homosexuality was not equated to murderers, wife abusers and child molesters in the sense that they are equal. The writer was simply stating that to him, sin is sin and to accept homosexuality (the sin) would be tantamount to accepting other sins such as murder, wife beating, and pedophilia.

Whether or not a person is a loving homosexual or not is of no relevance. It is either a sin or it isn't without regard to the traits of the actor.

Again I can be a lover of dogs, butterflys, roller coaster rides, and mountain climbing, but hate cats. It doesn't make cat hating right.

You need to determine if homosexuality is a sin or not. Don't dress it up. Is it a sin? Then draw your arguments as to why it is or is not a sin.

RE: nature | 4:52 p.m. June 24, 2008

If you belive the bible,

we were created separate from nature and have dominion over it.

What are the children entitled to?

OR do you belive it is your choice to inflict upon them whatever you see fit?

Big Dave | 4:55 p.m. June 24, 2008

After all the dust has settled, marriage in California will be back to where it belongs - between a man and woman. I predict this letter being read to the California ward members will cause a huge swell of effort to put down this gay marriage mistake and set it right. The family and especially the kids will be winners and the losers ...well all those who care more for their own political agenda's. I am very pleased that the General Authorities of the LDS church decided to step in and take a stand and make the influence of the California LDS community a mighty force for change on this critical issue.

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Anonymous | 4:58 p.m. June 24, 2008

Hmmmmm, let's look at the tone of the comments here:

Opposed to gay marriage commentators - open, easy, concerned or even fearful, willing to listen for the most part despite disagreement with the opposition.

In favor of gay marriage comments - hateful, intolerant, agressive "if you don't agree with me I will shout you down" mentality, ad hominen attacks, ridicule, unwilling to hear any argument other than an 'OK'.

Pretty clear to me that the accused haters are, in fact, operating from a base of love and that the self-proclaimed tolerance crowd is operating from a base of hate.

Yet one more example of calling good evil and evil good.

I live in Massachusetts and the consequences of losing this battle are scary. Our Supreme Court also now agrees that the State knows better what our kids need to learn than do we parents.

The gay activists would love for us to believe marriage is all they want. This is only the beginning - in England, Canada & Scandanavia it's now illegal to preach against homosexuality because it's 'hate speech'.

You can join the fight now or wait to fight it in your living room. Choose wisely.

Re:@BCA | 4:59 p.m. June 24, 2008

Having been a member of the LDS Church, all the way through law school, I was constantly ridiculed in the same fashion. My answer has always been, I can always stop smoking, start fornicating, start drinkig, but when can I stop. I have chosen to accept my individuality in the context that my life is eternal. I don't have to follow the herd off the end of the cliff simply because they want to. In matters of personal lifestyles, I can live as I wish, but that does not have to mean my choice is not a sin. I don't blindly follow the Prophet, I accept that he is the Prophet and therefore draw conclusions to that end and either accept it beyond my personal inclination or knowledge or reject.

re re nature | 5:01 p.m. June 24, 2008

"Animals are not sentient beings"

animals are in fact capable of feeling and sensation, or do you not know the meaning of the word "sentient"?

2nd, animals (and humans for that matter) are 'of nature', so if it occurs in the natural world, it IS a manifestation of nature.

Adrienne | 5:04 p.m. June 24, 2008

One thing about California is that if someone leaves a child in a carseat on a hot day, they are charged with child endangerment at the very least. I believe that people are born gay, but the majority of us are heterosexual, so the human race is in no danger of dying out. In fact, a recent study showed that the more sons a mother has, the greater chance there is that the youngest boys will be gay. I know that's the case in my extended family as I have at least one uncle who is gay.

Anonymous | 5:07 p.m. June 24, 2008

wow, if this is "religion" and you people are a product of it, i want no part of it. and by the way, whoever said all of the hate is coming from the pro-equal rights side, you need to go back and read the last 6 pages of comments again.

lakers | 5:05 p.m. June 24, 2008

I wish that gay people could be open minded and stop trying to discriminate against straight people. They are all perverse in there logic in the first place but still should have compasion and love towards people that do not agree with their life style.

Re:Re:Re:WOW | 5:09 p.m. June 24, 2008

You missed the point.

Whoever he was or whatever his religion has nothing to do with the LDS faith, and if he is a member and is guilty he will likely be excomminicated.

Second. Small population or large population it does not matter. It still goes against the laws of nature (particularly to continue the species - procreation). Homosexuality can not reproduce.

Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim. Therefore, with your fallacious logic one could conclude that all Muslims kill people living in towers in New York. I am stating to you unequivocally your logic is fallacious. I can no more accept that because a Mormon was involved with the murder of a young the Mormon church condones it, any more than I can accept that because OBL ordered attacks on New York, the Muslim faith condones murder.

kathyn | 5:10 p.m. June 24, 2008

You know what? This is an issue that is a matter of faith for LDS. Others will disagree with the Prophet, but it's really not appropriate for us to have such contention in our hearts. We can be compassionate and Christ-like and not condemn anyone, without changing our personal standards. This is such a sensitive subject and I'm glad I'm not the one who will have to judge. All of the mud-slinging and unkind rhetoric help none of us.

Re:Re:Nature | 5:12 p.m. June 24, 2008

Animals are not capable of reason within the context of consciousness. They reason on the natural instinct to survive and procreate. I (a sentient animal) decide how to improve my lifestyle, interact with nature, attempt to control my desitination all out of a concious effort.

Your meaning of sentient is out of context.

Nature Revisited | 5:15 p.m. June 24, 2008

I said homosexuality simply gratifies a desire to procreate. It has no natural result other than fullfilling a physical impulse to gratify themselves. Thus those born with the inclination to homosexuality are an aboration if they act on the impulse and do not procreate. I did not say homosexuality does not exist in nature.

Corrupted Laws | 5:18 p.m. June 24, 2008

So why do we have homosexual mania raging in America? It is because we have corrupted our political laws and thus opened the floodgates of immorality and evil. Why have we corrupted our political laws? It is because a criminal conspiracy, a secret combination of evil schemers have bought off the congress, the executive branch, the judicial branch, the military, the FBI, the CIA, the media, and academia etc. These rich men own the military industrial complex, the Federal Reserve, the drug companies the oil companies and nearly all the major corporations. They own the CFR, which is the shadow government that runs our nation. They have and are deliberately promoting every immorality (drugs, homosexuality, adultery, pornography, dishonesty, abortion, unjust warfare, etc.). They have indeed planned the moral collapse of America. They could only do this by corrupting our laws and thus legalizing crime and immorality. They call good evil and evil good. They have to destroy our morals before they can enslave us. Fools mock the importance of morality, but they shall mourn. The judgments of God are staring us in the face and the ax will fall if this continues.

Cathy | 5:21 p.m. June 24, 2008

I am LDS and have a cousin who is gay and has been in a relationship for about 20 years now. Do I love him? Absolutely. Do I reach out to him to keep in countact? Yes. Does he answer? No. I have never brought up the subject of my belief's and tried to talk about anything other than family. It's not always the religious side that cutes people off. They are not comfortable with us. If there is nothing wrong with how they are living their lives, why do they cut family ties?

maria | 5:23 p.m. June 24, 2008

How odd that a group of people, the Mormons, who suffered under govt. are using govt. to deny other people the right to be happy. How odd.

What hypocracy. I guess once you get a little taste of power you soon corrupt yourself to take away other people's rights.

Mormons trying to dictate what others can and cannot do, though the people being zapped are of no threat to anyone. Hmmmmmmmmm. What was that quote about absolute power corrupts absolutely????

Jim | 5:24 p.m. June 24, 2008

I do find it interesting that usually in gay relationships, there is always a male/female type. Why do they try to copy heterosexual relationships? Because what they are doing is mixed up???

rere nature | 5:24 p.m. June 24, 2008

this is semantics, but i think you are thinking of the word "sapient"- you have the meaning of sentient wrong.

in any case, we will probably never agree, because i believe in equal rights for everyone. time will tell what will happen, but i have a feeling that eventually same sex marriage will be protected by the u.s. constitution, and no, that world will not end because of it.

The Fruits | 5:27 p.m. June 24, 2008

ï¿½As a man sows so shall he reapï¿½. So if one sows homosexual acts what does he/she reap? Some of the fruits of homosexuality are: broken lives, broken homes, broken families, broken hearts, guilt, insensitivity, injured self esteem, broken societies, ruined nations, enslavement, loss of freedom, fire and brimstone on whole cities, destruction, no posterity, disease, rejection of God and moral laws, sickness, death, self rejection, spiritual blindness, insanity, troubled minds, twisted moral values, no real joy or happiness, wasted time, suicide, faulty reasoning, idiotic rationalizations, child abuse, hate, out of control life, public nuisance, rape, bad example, lack of self control, etc. Not one positive thing comes from homosexuality. So why would any rational, intelligent person participate in and promote this horrible sex crime? Why would a sane, sensible, child of God royally mess up his life and others with homosexual wickedness?

Holy Smoke! | 5:29 p.m. June 24, 2008

We are ripening for destruction... Whether it be some "natural" force, or otherwise, I think the morality ship is sinking. And unfortunately, I think we're all going down! Hold on... It's going to be a bumpy ride. If you thought high gas prices hurt, wait until our society is given a real wake up call...

Naughty by Nature | 5:33 p.m. June 24, 2008

All this gay living stems out of..flower power,hippy living,one with nature and mountain..etc and it has no substance to anything that makes sense,we are not animals we are a higher being created in gods image and at times we degrade ourselves by imitating the beast of the field.
Anything of the flesh is not lasting no matter how much you want to justified the course.

kathyn | 5:34 p.m. June 24, 2008

The problem that I see with the marriage amendment is not that gays can marry...(I don't care if they do or not)...but rather, this will ultimately end up making church leaders guilty of hate crimes if they have the audacity to preach that homosexuality is a sin. If you don't believe me, it's already happening in Canada and Europe. The Gen'l Authorities will not be allowed to use the airwaves to televise their addresses to church members because they'll be policed for any supposed discrimination. It is a slippery slope. It's not against gays...it's to protect the church from what is to come.

Crop of Fools | 5:36 p.m. June 24, 2008

We are witnessing the unraveling of the moral fabric of society. ï¿½Every year a new crop of fools comes on. ï¿½They conceive themselves to be so clever they think they can beat the system (Godï¿½s laws). They snatch goods from natureï¿½s store and run (Break Godï¿½s commandments), but one by one they all come back and pay the price in blood and sweat and tears.ï¿½ Children of God should control their urges and passions. That the effort involved dignifies and ennobles has been recognized by the world's great thinkers. Dante, for example, put it this way: "Consider your origin; you were not formed to live like brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge." By cunning deception the alternate lifestyle people are pretending to preserve their so-called right of homosexuality, but there is no such right.. We all have a right to do good, but not to do evil. There is no right to do evil. No one has a right to murder, steal, lie, or blow up a school room full of children. We all have the agency to do hideous evils, but there is no such right!! Freedom cannot exist without obedience to Godï¿½s laws.

@ Alex | 5:38 p.m. June 24, 2008

I would love to see you try to say that to someone's face . . . sad fact is you, like all true homophobes (and by true I mean the real definition of HATING gay peopel) lack the courage to do anything other than post anonymously on this web site.

Re: Holy Smoke! | 5:40 p.m. June 24, 2008

Brigham Young said that when we would no longer listen to the Lord, then He would preach His own sermons. Don't you think he's already started? Look at the hurricanes, the floods, the earthquakes, etc. We've already started hitting the bumps.

Nature Revisited | 5:42 p.m. June 24, 2008

No I meant sentient in the context of "conscious thought". I am ascribing this to humans because we can actually overcome impulse by concious thought.

As for equal rights. It is not part of the argument. I believe all are equal, I also believe in the republic of which I am a part. I beleive that I can act outside of my impulse to procreate with every girl I meet, to live a monogomous relationship and procreate. I do not however believe that homosexuality is natural but an aberration in nature.

Truth, not Hate! | 5:44 p.m. June 24, 2008

Oh, how those who promote the Abominable sexual crime and try to foist it on our children and America hate to be exposed for what they're really doing. They cannot stand light and truth. Every truth written about homosexuality is branded as hate. Permissiveness is not love! Teaching the difference between right and wrong is love and exposing evil falsehoods is every manï¿½s duty.

Alex | 5:44 p.m. June 24, 2008

kathryn:

"We can be compassionate and Christ-like and not condemn anyone, without changing our personal standards. This is such a sensitive subject and I'm glad I'm not the one who will have to judge. All of the mud-slinging and unkind rhetoric help none of us. "

Are our convictions only Christ-like if they do nothing? How can maintaining our standard and letting it be known be anything but compassionate and Christ-like?

The only way that the gay marriage lobby will ever consider us Christ-like is if we give up our principles for them. They would then congratulate us for our enlightenment, sweep us away like useful idiots who have served their purpose, then move on.

They are trying to manipulate your compassion by trying to convince you it is only Christ-like if your stands are compatible with their agenda. I have nothing to prove as far as my compassion goes. I have never treated a homosexual any different than a heterosexual. I am not beholden to the same-sex marriage supporters to prove "me, me, me. I'm compassionate too."

lfarknagel | 5:45 p.m. June 24, 2008

The appalling thing about this is the twisted logic the Court used. It (a majority Republican panel) said that marriage must be allowed between homosexual couples because the civil union statutes already allowed essentially the same rights. In other words, the California legislature let the Camel's nose in the tent so far, that the whole camel must now be let in. Civil union statutes will now be used as a sword in order to compel recognition of gay marriage.

Anonymous | 5:49 p.m. June 24, 2008

Again the gays refuse to anwers the question.

what are the children entitled to?

Are they entitle to moather and father.

The questions are simple.

And by the way man was created in separate creation from the animals and was given dominion over them.

Besides how can one justify one's actions by using animals. That the weakest justification I have heard so far.

Just gays grasping at straws.

Alex | 5:55 p.m. June 24, 2008

To @ Alex:

"I would love to see you try to say that to someone's face . . . sad fact is you, like all true homophobes (and by true I mean the real definition of HATING gay peopel) lack the courage to do anything other than post anonymously on this web site. "

True homophobe, huh? A friend I studied with for many, many hours in college was gay. That's right, gay! And you know what, he came to my wedding reception after he came out because I invited him. I invited him because he is my friend and always will be. I told him that while I couldn't approve of his homosexual sex, he would always be my friend. So this accusation of being a true hater is a big joke. There is no anonymity about my association with homosexuals.

yo, 3arwax, et al | 5:56 p.m. June 24, 2008

I suppose I will take comfort in the fact that at least at this juncture the Christian community isn't likely to exert their influence through inquisitions, crusades and pogroms. Talk about suffering under an ideology.

Chris Plummer | 5:59 p.m. June 24, 2008

Lets see here...
D&C 134:9
We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.

Eowyn | 5:59 p.m. June 24, 2008

The California Marriage Amendment is nothing like the government's oppression of polygamy in the early days of the LDS Church. Nothing in the Amendment requires the forfeiture of property for organizations that support homosexuality. It does not revoke voting rights for those who merely believe homosexuality is acceptable. It doesn't even require that those who are homosexual abandon those loving relationships under threat of imprisonment. That is what the government did to the polygamists of the 1800's.

All the Amendment does is set in stone something that was once written in the hearts of the people --that marriage is between male and female. It doesn't oppress, it preserves.

There IS a difference.

Steve - Bisexual FYI | 6:00 p.m. June 24, 2008

Just thought I'd share this info:

First, before I make my main statement which is sure to send some of you off the deep end... let me explain this fact about Bisexuality. Being "Bi" doesn't always mean an equal 50-50 split between both genders (it can be 30-70, 80-20, etc.), nor is it always a fixed split (it can vary from time to time).

OK, my main point...

Some scientists believe that EVERYone is born bisexual, but where each person is on the scale of bisexuality differs and how events around them can mold them more one direction than the other. Those who are say 99% for the opposite gender are what's thought of as "straight/hetero" and the opposite of that are what is deemed "gay". Or there is Freud who thought it was a normal part of development and that everyone can go through periods of being Bi.

I'm not making this up. Just something to ponder before you continue to speak out against anyone who isn't straight. I'm sure if many "straight" people can be honest with themselves, they can probably think of at least one instance in their life of same gender "curiousity".

unchangeable | 6:03 p.m. June 24, 2008

If the LDS Church had remained steadfast and unchangeable in its doctrine there would have been no need for the FLDS to break away. Times change. Churches change by their own perception of the times or by revelation from their god.

Why are the faithful not praying, as they did for their fellow blacks, for full blessings for all of god's children? Cover all the bases and get it done once and for all. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps god is awaiting your petitions to reveal his love for all his children? Perhaps you need to catch up in your hearts and the decree will be made. Afterall, the blacks were held back due to the perception of carrying the sin of Cain.

Alex | 6:04 p.m. June 24, 2008

RE: my comment (Kathyn). I am not saying the church should keep out of this argument. Far from it....I totally support the Prophet, and follow him. I didn't mean to come across as namby-pamby. I do believe in standing up for what is right. But there are those who like bait us (like those who pass out all of the anti-LDS lit at conference) who are better to ignore because we'll never convince them to change and it just promotes contention. The letter from the church handled it just right.

Homosexuality | 6:10 p.m. June 24, 2008

Sex btween humans of any kind without the sanctification of marriage is a sin according to the LDS Church. Marriage is a sacred covenant between man, woman and God according to the LDS Church. Members of the Church professing to have a testimony need to support Church leaders. People who participate in sexual acts prior to marriage are breaking the Lord's commandments. The LDS Church makes no judgement on a person's inclinations until they are acted upon.

Happiness is not dependent upon your marital status. If you are unhappy as a single person marriage will not change your emotional state no matter if you are a homosexual or not.

Matt | 6:09 p.m. June 24, 2008

This so-called "church" deserves to lose their tax-exempt status over this.

En Hedu' Anna | 6:14 p.m. June 24, 2008

For the sake of the children, strengthen your marriages, spend your discretionary time with your kids, take walks, ride bikes, watch movies, inspect nature happening in your backyards. Re-learn to love and cherish your spouse. Forgive. Be less selfish. Improve your family financial situation to alleviate that stressor. Hope. Dream. Have joy in your family.

Ranting on a comment board does nothing to give your children a more secure, grander view of this amazing life.

IronClad Steve | 6:16 p.m. June 24, 2008

Is it any wonder the Muslims hate us so much as infidels. We have Madonna, Britney, Hollywood deivates, lust for money on the NYSE and rampant sexual perversion i.e., homosexual lifestyle and the fruit of it; GAY Marrige. And a few judges rule the people. The leaders of the LDS Church are telling the members stand for what is morally and legally right, members of their faith combined with other good honest christians can get involved with the decision process and take back law and order.
This may be the last spiritual chance for the good of the nation. If we're not overcome with pestilance, famine, adverse weather occurance etc. Our Arab muslim brothers will surely standing in the wings to convert the good ole "USA" to Islam and they'll definetly take care of GAY marriage. And that's the bottom line!!!

To Left Handed | 6:17 p.m. June 24, 2008

Sure. I have no problem with you being a "south paw." I do have a problem with you pushing for laws that require people to read right to left as well as left to right in order to accomodate you.

I also have a problem with being called a hate-monger for being a righty who thinks English SHOULD be read left to right.

Time to pick sides | 6:28 p.m. June 24, 2008

These are indeed the last days, and this may well be the issue that gathers everyone to one side or the other.

The LDS church has come down unequivocally on the side of traditional marriage, as they have consistently done. So is Tom Monson a prophet or not? If so, your choice is clear. If not, your choice is not so clear, as this controversy proves.

The LDS church is a voluntary organization who has ZERO power over its members beyond excommunication of membership. Those who belong, choose to belong. And if tomorrow they turned from the worship of Jesus Christ to the worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, then the members would have the choice to stay or leave, just as they do now.

So choose your side carefully, because if the prophecies are true, it will not be fun to be on the wrong side of this fight.

As for me and my house, we prayerfully--not blindly--CHOOSE to follow President Monson and other ordained LDS leaders. WE WILL STAND FOR THE FAMILY WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE GOT.

Marriage is a choice we all have | 6:30 p.m. June 24, 2008

Anyone can have heterosexual or homosexual sex, that's why it is a choice. We are all born with characteristics and traits that give us different interests, but attraction comes with and grows by where we place most of our thoughts. Attraction is not well understood, but who is to say that I am wrong in saying no one is born gay? Where is the proof that we are born with sexual attractions?

Point 1: Sexual organs correspond with female or male parts and develop through puberty creating procreative functions that only together with the opposite sex perform the procreative purpose of those functions.

Point 2: If it isn't a choice then only gays could do homosexual acts.

Pretty cut and dry, but backed up...

Blacks are born with black skin. Whites are born with white skin. All other colors of people are born that way. Males are born male. Females are born female. All of us fit in these categories and already have the rights that pertain to whatever the color of our skin, or whatever our gender. Marriage is available to all who choose a relationship between a man and a woman. Gay unions are a counterfeit.

Paid posters? | 6:33 p.m. June 24, 2008

I just heard that homosexual activists are sometimes PAID to blog and make comments on every site that they can, so they can be perceived as a larger and more influential portion of society than they really are.

Makes sense since they probably have a lot more time on their hands than I do.

I'm usually too busy with my FAMILY to put in post after post after post.

I dare any of you paid posters to admit what you're doing, and I doubt anyone ever will because it undermines the credibility of their posts, which are intended to sound like different people with different points. How incredibly dishonest that is.

En Hedu' Anna | 6:35 p.m. June 24, 2008

to IronClad -
Oh, yes. Much more civil to marry many women so you have spares to take your stripes when you are caught in flagrante delicto. Barring that give praise your parents bore your sisters to stand in your stead.

Using the outrage of one immoral philosophy's adherents as reason to support another immoral position is rather silly.

Gays can kill civiliation | 6:46 p.m. June 24, 2008

An earlier post mentioned that there has been homosexuality since the beginning of time, and that may very well be true. But it's also a fact, chronicled by the chair of sociology at Harvard, that many great societies that embraced homosexuality and relaxed sexual norms were soon conquered and/or destroyed.

So you wonder what effect you two happy gays getting married has on my and my family?

Well, it doesn't immediately affect us even if you marry a dog, but EVENTUALLY the effects to society are catastrophic! It's already a fact that children stuck with homosexual "parents" are more messed up than anyone else, so sometimes the effects are much more immediate.

He who fails to learn the lessons of history is doomed to repeat it. Wake up, America, save marriage before it's too late! Gay marriage is not the end of their desires, it's only the beginning! It will be rapidly followed by gay sex education in school, hate speech legislation, mandatory special rights in the workplace, discrimination laws that force people out of business if they refuse to accommodate gays (already happening in California), and more... HERE IT COMES!!! FIGHT FOR MARRIAGE WITH ALL YOU'VE GOT!!!!!!!!

Conscience Registers 10 | 6:51 p.m. June 24, 2008

All men have a conscience which register 10 on the Richter Scale when they are about to commit a dreadful sin. Our consciences work perfectly until we refuse to listen and pile sin on sin. If we continue to sin then our conscience becomes seared over and we are then insensitive, spiritually dead and past feeling. We have become hard and numb to right or wrong. When one boasts about his sins and criminal acts he no longer cares about who he hurts or about right and wrong. Is this not exactly what has happened to homosexuals when they deliberately flaunt their filth in the faces of our families, virtuous ladies, children and youth. No wonder decent people stand up against such senseless insanity. And no wonder hardened homosexuals canï¿½t or refuse to understand the difference between right and wrong. They do indeed become spiritually dead, hard , numb, blind and insensitive. Light and truth withdraws from them and they dissipate them selves into the grave. Thank goodness there are thousands of homosexuals who get a handle on life and with Gods help crawl out of the pit before it is too late

Moral Law | 6:58 p.m. June 24, 2008

There are laws prohibiting the abominable and detestable crime against nature. If governments do not follow Godï¿½s standards in public affairs then it is a free-for-all as to whoï¿½s standards they will follow. The Golden Rule is based upon the universal need and desire for freedom. When government action violates the Golden Rule, strife and contention arise. The Golden Rule is the only code which may with justice be enforced against all men. Governments either legislate morality or immorality. It would be stupid to legislate immorality. Morality preserves freedom, immorality destroys freedom. Every act government performs is either morally right or morally wrong. All governments are for is to compel citizens to obey a code of private morality. There are two types of laws: 1. Those which condemn and punish certain conduct as evil and harmful, 2. Those which compel the performance of other conduct considered good and beneficial. Godï¿½s law should be the source of all civil law. Godï¿½s law is for the purpose of protecting manï¿½s unalienable rights. ï¿½Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Sin & Crime | 7:03 p.m. June 24, 2008

Sin is the breaking of Godï¿½s Commandments, all of which protect freedom. Crime is also the breaking of Godï¿½s commandments which protect freedom. A sin and a crime are essentially the exact same thing. A law commands us to do something or forbids us to do something and has a punishment attached. In our society we have come to think of crimes only as the breaking of man made laws which are punished by civil government. Man made laws are frequently Godï¿½s laws as they should be. Many man made laws are utterly unjust, they violate Godï¿½s laws, destroy freedom and when enforced are in fact a crime and a sin. Homosexuality is a crime and a sin which should be punished here and now and certainly will be in the here after. The very reason for punishment is to make it so sin & crime doesnï¿½t pay. Punishment is to deter crime & sin. Civil government should only punish the most serious sins such as murder, homosexuality theft, adultery etc. Otherwise we would spend all of out time and money punishing our many sins and would miss out on the more important things of life.

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