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LDS Church backs marriage measure on California ballot
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Neal | 8:19 a.m. June 24, 2008
My concern in allowing homosexual marriages is the ability it gives to
homosexual couples to adopt children. I believe children should be given the
opportunity to have a mother and a father. I know there are many people who
single parent and do the best they can. But in choosing what would be in the
best interest of a child I don't think it can be argued that a mother and a
father would be the best.
Anonymous | 8:30 a.m. June 24, 2008
As members of the LDS Church we claim to support President Monson as a phophet,
seer, and revelator. If we support him as a prophet, then we support him
totally, and not just issues in which we are in complete agreement. If you think
that this statement by the first presidency is just three men imposing their
beliefs and opinions on the subject of gay marriage, guess again. When the 1st
Presidency of the Church issues a statement on any subject, it is because they
are indeed representatives and spokesmen for God and His Son, Jesus Christ on
the earth.
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fr1nk | 8:37 a.m. June 24, 2008
I dont think this amendment will pass in California. One day all across this
country, gay people will be able to get married and it wont change anything,
just like it didnt change anything when interracial couples were finally allowed
to get married. As the old, set in their ways, fogies die off, the homophobes
will become more and more a minority and the rest of us will let gays live the
way they want.
T | 8:40 a.m. June 24, 2008
I'm thankful for a living prophet who leads and guides us.
Dave | 8:42 a.m. June 24, 2008
I'm glad the Brethren are firm on this issue.
Chris | 8:44 a.m. June 24, 2008
I support the right for private organizations to have ceremonies that they call
marriage. Without a vote of the people, the government should not redefine
marriage and afford the same benefits and responsibilities to other
partnerships.
Should any two people who love each other be able to apply for state and federal benefits of "marriage"? If you extend these benefits without a vote to gay couples, I think that any two people could claim them (parent and child, friends, business partners, etc). Are we ready to fund these extended benefits (social security, estate tax exemptions, etc)?
Should any two people who love each other be able to apply for state and federal benefits of "marriage"? If you extend these benefits without a vote to gay couples, I think that any two people could claim them (parent and child, friends, business partners, etc). Are we ready to fund these extended benefits (social security, estate tax exemptions, etc)?
Ernest T. Bass | 8:45 a.m. June 24, 2008
Just more bigotry. No surprise at all.
Darin | 8:52 a.m. June 24, 2008
LDS church leaders too seldom encourage members to vote the way our consciences
tell us, although this is an age-old tenet of our faith. The Church's
requests from the pulpit that we vote one way or another on any issue conflicts
with this tenet, in my opinion.
And I, for one, will not be participating in a campaign that maligns anyone. By the time I was a young teenager I understood (through the slightest amount of introspection) that no person chooses his or her sexual orientation. I cannot accept the Church's position on homosexuality (and many other things) when my own moral compass tells me something else. I'll trust my own conscience before any statement from the pulpit.
Another article in today's paper states that a recent poll found that LDS church members, compared to other religions, are among the least open-minded to the idea that there are alternative paths to heaven. I find this sad. Our culture of narrow-mindedness is just bad for us. The abolition of gay marriage doesn't help anyone.
And I, for one, will not be participating in a campaign that maligns anyone. By the time I was a young teenager I understood (through the slightest amount of introspection) that no person chooses his or her sexual orientation. I cannot accept the Church's position on homosexuality (and many other things) when my own moral compass tells me something else. I'll trust my own conscience before any statement from the pulpit.
Another article in today's paper states that a recent poll found that LDS church members, compared to other religions, are among the least open-minded to the idea that there are alternative paths to heaven. I find this sad. Our culture of narrow-mindedness is just bad for us. The abolition of gay marriage doesn't help anyone.
Robert Johnson | 8:53 a.m. June 24, 2008
This just confirms the fact that the Mormon church like most other organized
religions are more and more "political groups" and businesses than
they are religions.
Time Warp | 8:56 a.m. June 24, 2008
Lets do the time warp again!
Nothing new under the sun here!
The same old tired arguments- really people do you just have this stuff saved in word and cut and paste everyday or is it really like a new experience for you everyday. If it is the second one you may want to talk with your doctors about memory loss.
Nothing new under the sun here!
The same old tired arguments- really people do you just have this stuff saved in word and cut and paste everyday or is it really like a new experience for you everyday. If it is the second one you may want to talk with your doctors about memory loss.
my opinion | 9:03 a.m. June 24, 2008
some "religious" people seem very ugly on the inside, and I think God
would be ashamed of what you do and say in his name...
HowWideTheDivide | 9:06 a.m. June 24, 2008
Yes, widen that religious divide. The mormon leadership have just undone all
the good many have tried to do to bring this comunity together.
Their words about wanting to bring the community together and be inclusive rather than exclusive seem very shallow right now.
Their words about wanting to bring the community together and be inclusive rather than exclusive seem very shallow right now.
JBS | 9:09 a.m. June 24, 2008
I am a Californian. Whose side am I on? I'm on the Lord's side and
He directs the affairs of the Church. Church leaders are not working on their
own behalf in this matter. They are following the promptings of the spirit of
the Lord. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized by
Christ himself and continues to be directed by Him. This is His true and living
Church. Can you not see that Church leaders are entitled to and impelled to
promote marriage the way the Lord has ordained it to be? My family and I are
with Joshua of old in saying "...but as for me and my house, we will serve
the Lord." My conscience would not allow me to do otherwise.
East Bay | 9:12 a.m. June 24, 2008
As a Mormon in California, I realize that everyone has their place here. I
won't allow the church to dictate how I vote.
I will be voting against any measures that would limit freedoms of others.
I will be voting against any measures that would limit freedoms of others.
It is simple | 9:17 a.m. June 24, 2008
A proclamtion by definition is a notice to all the world. Proclamation on the
Family-Proclamtion on the Family. Proclamation on the Family. Read it! Hum,
Any questions?
Utah takeover! | 9:15 a.m. June 24, 2008
Will the Church push to ban wine coolers in California using parades of marching
children next? Will Utah stop subverting California law by issuing concealed
carry permits to Californians ?
Stay tuned for the nail biting sequel and find out!!!
Stay tuned for the nail biting sequel and find out!!!
wrz | 9:16 a.m. June 24, 2008
***boiseguy | 12:31 a.m. - If gay people are seeking to get married in their
temples that's one thing...***
If gay people seek marriage in a Mormon temple, the Church will be compelled to comply. The Church cannot refuse to uphold the law of the land. It even says so in the Church's listing of beliefs... "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
***...but being married under the rule of law of a person's nation is another, and is NO business of some church's.***
Oh, but it is. The LDS Church (and any church) has a compelling interest in the issue. See above comment.
***This disgusts me to no end, and I have lost total respect for the church.***
From reading your post, I doubt that you ever did.
***If the day comes where people in this nation get tired of Mormons and burn their temples to the ground... don't expect an ounce of sympathy from me. Disgraceful....***
Already happened. Which is truly disgraceful.
If gay people seek marriage in a Mormon temple, the Church will be compelled to comply. The Church cannot refuse to uphold the law of the land. It even says so in the Church's listing of beliefs... "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
***...but being married under the rule of law of a person's nation is another, and is NO business of some church's.***
Oh, but it is. The LDS Church (and any church) has a compelling interest in the issue. See above comment.
***This disgusts me to no end, and I have lost total respect for the church.***
From reading your post, I doubt that you ever did.
***If the day comes where people in this nation get tired of Mormons and burn their temples to the ground... don't expect an ounce of sympathy from me. Disgraceful....***
Already happened. Which is truly disgraceful.
Apples and Oranges | 9:17 a.m. June 24, 2008
Gays and interracial marriage is not the same. Quick using such an absurd
equation. It makes your argument sound weak, which of course, it is.
Re: Problem for: | 8:17 a | 9:25 a.m. June 24, 2008
Your argument is nothing more than a strawman.
The ideal situation of children being born into a loving family with a father and a mother as equal partners in parenting may not be possible for every child for a whole host of reasons.
That doesn't mean that society should simply give up on striving for the ideal situation for every child.
The ideal situation of children being born into a loving family with a father and a mother as equal partners in parenting may not be possible for every child for a whole host of reasons.
That doesn't mean that society should simply give up on striving for the ideal situation for every child.
Ugly? | 9:26 a.m. June 24, 2008
To support and asteem holy, the sanctitiy of marriage between a man and a woman
and that it is to be sacred and of God is not to be "ugly". It is to
be valiant and true to the Creator's plan of eternal joy and happiness.
Gays love to use slick marketing and packaging to push their agenda. But, no
matter how pretty the package, it does not make what is inside proper or of the
Lord. Read Paul's comments about this in the New Testament as he
admonishes the people to quit indulging in homosexual practices. Go read and
study for yourself and then ask God what is true and right without mudslinging
at those who hold sacred His counsel.
M. Allred | 9:26 a.m. June 24, 2008
We should remember the phrase, just because we can does not mean we should. I
know this can be used for or against anything. But, just because legistators can
legalize same-sex marraige does not mean they should. Demonizing those who
oppose an issue does not make them wrong, or bad, or a target for ridicule. For
me, I am proud to hear that an organized body, I don't care what that
organization is, stands up for and defends marriage (man and woman) and morals.
The less a nation and its people holds on to principles, the less a nation and
its people are accountable and responsible.
news flash to "it is simple" | 9:34 a.m. June 24, 2008
i don't believe in mormonism! i don't care what the proclamation of
the family says!! many people feel the same way! when will you learn that
narrowmindedness and trying to force others to believe what you believe will
NEVER work, in fact, it will just drive more people away from you!
Linda Henrie | 9:35 a.m. June 24, 2008
NO one can change right for wrong....no matter how hard they try. Men being with
men and women being with women is un-natural and un-acceptable. However,God gave
us the free agency to choose for ourselves...BUT TO CALL IT MARRIAGE, NO,
marriage
needs to be a man and a woman ! Marriage is to bring children into this world, to have a place where children can learn of truth and light. Marriage is ordained of God and just as the sun shines on the just and the un-just it shines on the truth and the un-truth. Still as the sun shines God lives and he ordainted marriage and he set the rules for it and no one can change truth.
needs to be a man and a woman ! Marriage is to bring children into this world, to have a place where children can learn of truth and light. Marriage is ordained of God and just as the sun shines on the just and the un-just it shines on the truth and the un-truth. Still as the sun shines God lives and he ordainted marriage and he set the rules for it and no one can change truth.
Ca Native | 9:39 a.m. June 24, 2008
I don�t think the amendment will pass either. The Gov
refuses to throw any support behind it, and the majority of Californians are not
religious homophobes, who feel a need to curtail the rights of minorities to
enjoy the same privileges as the majority. I originally voted against Gay
marriage because like many of you, I listened to the spin-doctors and was afraid
that it would open a door to allow gays to influence the lifestyles of children
or demand entrance to the temple. I have since seen these fears are unfounded.
The Church will continue on its path, and gays and lesbians will continue to go
to city hall to marry in their civil unions. One has no effect on the other.
Churches cannot be �forced� to accept
homosexuality by government intervention. The government may one day restrict
the favorable tax status of organizations that are racist, sexist or homophobic,
but these organizations will always have the choice in what they do and who they
accept.
Problem | 9:40 a.m. June 24, 2008
"That doesn't mean that society should simply give up on striving for
the ideal situation for every child."
But should gays be allowed to have children? Can we do something to stop them? Can we do anything to stop the countless children born out of wedlock? What to do?
But should gays be allowed to have children? Can we do something to stop them? Can we do anything to stop the countless children born out of wedlock? What to do?
Re: TheDivide | 9:42 a.m. June 24, 2008
Being "inclusive" does not require abandoning fundamental moral
precepts. The Lord accepted the company of the harlot, but still condemned her
sinful ways and admonished her to repent and change her ways.
There has been and always will be a great divide between the Lord's will and Satan's will.
The Lord wants loving families with a father who can be a role model for his sons and a mother who can be a role model for her daughters.
Satan wants utter chaos where there is no gender distinction and there are no role models.
There has been and always will be a great divide between the Lord's will and Satan's will.
The Lord wants loving families with a father who can be a role model for his sons and a mother who can be a role model for her daughters.
Satan wants utter chaos where there is no gender distinction and there are no role models.
suzyk | 9:44 a.m. June 24, 2008
To Cats: You hit the nail on the head and bravo to: ucan. To Reformed Utahan: If
you feel that way maybe it's best that you don't attend church. With
the belief you have, you won't listen anyway so stay away..it certainly
will be your loss and as I think about it, it will be a loss for the church
because we do care about everyone and always help when it is requested or
required. Try humbling yourself to the point on getting on your knees and pray
to Heavenly Father for guidance..if you listen you will know that he loves you
in spite of your feelings but remember you cannot choose the consequences, they
will be yours and no one else.
Believer | 9:44 a.m. June 24, 2008
If you call yourself a "Christian" and follow Christ's teachings,
you do just that. You follow them, you do not try to change them to fit your
way of life. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman under God's law.
Truly, we do not hate the gay community. But we have to stand for our own
belief's just as much as they feel they need to make their voices heard.
Why is it okay for them to have "Gay Pride" and marches, but it is not
okay for us to unite in our values.
To Wrz | 9:49 a.m. June 24, 2008
The temples are the House of the Lord. If people burn His holy house because of
their hatred, those people will not have the "Mormon people to discuss this
with. They will be taking it up with the Lord someday. I do not wish that on
anyone, even you. Sadly, you are a prime example of total hatred to others and
the vilest of prejudice. If you were talking about race in this country, people
would call you what you are, a prejudice bigot.
kicking | 9:49 a.m. June 24, 2008
It is amazing to read the many posts opposing the Church's position yet
"affirming" the poster's one-time, sometime belief in the
Church.
The underlying principle of agency is choice. We all have it and use it every day. We can choose to follow the voice of those whom we have sustained, or we can choose to call them unenlightened bigots. Either they are annointed by God or they are not. There is no middle ground. When the prophet speaks, the debate is over. All that is left is for us to choose whether or not to follow.
Christ came not to unite, but to divide: to divide the righteous (who recognize and follow his voice) from the wicked (the rest). All roads do not lead to Rome. Good and evil do exist and all this wanting to have their cake and to eat it too attitude of the gay community and their apologists leaves me wondering how long they can maintain this internal war and whether, in the end, they will continue to kick against the pricks.
The underlying principle of agency is choice. We all have it and use it every day. We can choose to follow the voice of those whom we have sustained, or we can choose to call them unenlightened bigots. Either they are annointed by God or they are not. There is no middle ground. When the prophet speaks, the debate is over. All that is left is for us to choose whether or not to follow.
Christ came not to unite, but to divide: to divide the righteous (who recognize and follow his voice) from the wicked (the rest). All roads do not lead to Rome. Good and evil do exist and all this wanting to have their cake and to eat it too attitude of the gay community and their apologists leaves me wondering how long they can maintain this internal war and whether, in the end, they will continue to kick against the pricks.
Up Ogden Way | 9:55 a.m. June 24, 2008
I recall the horror with which my Grandfather - a good man - greeted the passage
of the civil rights amendment. Before his death he recanted, realizing that
every person has the right to enjoy the fruits of liberty.
With support from LDS and other select churches this constitutional amendment will likely pass. However, like women's suffrage and civil rights, those who invoke God to deny others their basic freedoms may win a few battles but they will ultimately lose this war because tyranny, regardless of the source, cannot triumph over the natural human passion for freedom.
Freedom versus tyranny. Once again. We all know the ending.
With support from LDS and other select churches this constitutional amendment will likely pass. However, like women's suffrage and civil rights, those who invoke God to deny others their basic freedoms may win a few battles but they will ultimately lose this war because tyranny, regardless of the source, cannot triumph over the natural human passion for freedom.
Freedom versus tyranny. Once again. We all know the ending.
To news flash | 9:57 a.m. June 24, 2008
The Lord sends out a Proclamation to the world. What you do with your free
agency ( believing or reading it ) will determine what He does with you. It is
in the Proclamation. I for one, will not counsel the Lord. I fear and Love Him
more that I fear the cheap shots of people who are angry with any church or its
beliefs. It too bad you don't have the courage to read and pray. How
totally sad that you make your path what it is. The Lord is the creator whether
you believe it or not. Proclamation on the Family is to the world whether you
read it or not. The Lord is the same yesterday , today and forever.
Train is rolling | 9:58 a.m. June 24, 2008
I see nothing wrong with the church advocating against gay marriage. However, I
believe this train has already left the station. Tens of thousands of gay
couples are already married, and many thousands of married and unmarried gay
couples have adopted children. I'm not happy about this fact, but it is a
fact.
It is understandable that these couples want some legal way to recognize their status. Gay people floating in and out of relationships is not a good solution for the rest of us either. Give gays some way to legally recognize their commitment and willingness to abide within boundaries, and let's see what happens. My guess is that, in the long run, marriage will not work for gays even as well as it works for heterosexuals (and it's not working particularly well for many straight folks).
For the LDS faithful, perhaps the focus should be on the real bulwark of the faith: the difference between "legal marriage" and "temple marriage." The law can do what it will, but the church will only recognize its own standard on this earth and in the afterlife.
It is understandable that these couples want some legal way to recognize their status. Gay people floating in and out of relationships is not a good solution for the rest of us either. Give gays some way to legally recognize their commitment and willingness to abide within boundaries, and let's see what happens. My guess is that, in the long run, marriage will not work for gays even as well as it works for heterosexuals (and it's not working particularly well for many straight folks).
For the LDS faithful, perhaps the focus should be on the real bulwark of the faith: the difference between "legal marriage" and "temple marriage." The law can do what it will, but the church will only recognize its own standard on this earth and in the afterlife.
Jon | 9:57 a.m. June 24, 2008
I'm an active member of the church and I cannot with good conscience
support this. The leadership of the church has been wrong in the past, and they
are wrong on this issue. I was hoping that the church wouldn't get
involved.
Re: news flash | 9:58 a.m. June 24, 2008
And I'm not required to simply accept your misguided attempt to redefine
marriage either.
Marriage for thousands of years and throughout the world has been between man and woman.
Why should I now be forced to accept a new and perverted definition of marriage, simply because a minority want to force society to accept their perverted lifestyle?
Marriage for thousands of years and throughout the world has been between man and woman.
Why should I now be forced to accept a new and perverted definition of marriage, simply because a minority want to force society to accept their perverted lifestyle?
Shelama | 10:00 a.m. June 24, 2008
The LDS church action regarding the California ballot was to be expected of
course. When same sex marriages are finally legalized, as they will be, then
legalization of plural marriages will probably also occur. Although the
legalization of same sex marriages will have little impact on the Mormon
religion or the free exercise thereof, legalization of plural marriages has
ramifications that the LDS would prefer not to have to deal with. The New and
Everlasting covenant is still a matter of scripture, the Manifesto not
withstanding.
Southern Utah Resident | 9:58 a.m. June 24, 2008
All decent people should take a stand against the perversion that is
homosexuality. I have no problem if someone wants to be gay... just don't
pretend it's "normal", don't try to ram it down our throats.
Stay in the closet!
Taylormaid | 10:02 a.m. June 24, 2008
As the daughter of a lesbian, it saddens me that my church has once again
painted all gays as trying to redefine marriage and destroy that which is
sacred. I tell you that my mother has been in a long term relationship with a
wonderful woman and I would be glad to be able to see them legitimize that
relationship. In no way will it affect my own relationship with my husband and
my children already love and honor these two women. I do not fear that my
children will become gay. I think that they will grow up understanding and
accepting all people, no matter what religion, color, or orientation, that the
morals and principles that they have set for themselves will be just that--for
themselves and not for the rest of the world. I have had to learn this already.
Gay LDS | 10:06 a.m. June 24, 2008
So what if being gay cannot be helped and you people are condemning when you
don't know the medical facts about gay people? Does that make what you say
right? Where is your compassion for others? Also what do you do when a person is
born male and female? It happens.
Clare | 10:15 a.m. June 24, 2008
Thank you Mike Thompson for mentioning John Adams, my hero! I also adore
Abigail Adams. John would be APPALLED at what is going on in this nation
concerning marriage if he were alive today.
As I have said before, "You cannot dictate to God his commandments." If you choose not to obey those laws, then you are saying you don't believe in the Bible. Satan is slowly chipping away at our moral standards.
As for Mormons being mean and spiteful to people who practice homosexuality, that is a very judgemental attitude. My next door neighbor is gay and has left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I still like him. We talk a lot. I've never addressed his choices in life. I worry about him, that is all.
As a native Californian who ended up in Utah, I pray that my native state will make the right decision about this matter. I will always miss it, but if this passes, I'll miss it a lot less.
As I have said before, "You cannot dictate to God his commandments." If you choose not to obey those laws, then you are saying you don't believe in the Bible. Satan is slowly chipping away at our moral standards.
As for Mormons being mean and spiteful to people who practice homosexuality, that is a very judgemental attitude. My next door neighbor is gay and has left the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I still like him. We talk a lot. I've never addressed his choices in life. I worry about him, that is all.
As a native Californian who ended up in Utah, I pray that my native state will make the right decision about this matter. I will always miss it, but if this passes, I'll miss it a lot less.
CHris Plummer RE GAy LDS | 10:19 a.m. June 24, 2008
NO one wants to talk about trans-gendered people because when they do they
realize that this is not a black and white situation, and those folks sure
Didn't make a choice.
sign of times | 10:19 a.m. June 24, 2008
The church has to take a stand on moral issues that effect a society. It's
going WITH its own teachings. The Book of Mormon makes clear that there is real
power in the overall righteousness of a nation, and that when more people in a
nation choose bad than good, that the Spirit will no longer strive with them.
Imagine if gay marriage was accepted throughout the U.S. Eventually those who
still preach or stand for the moral principles of procreation, marriage, and
chastity would be viewed by society as completely bigoted, and would be
pressured to either join the masses or flee a sinking ship.
And I absolutely believe that there is a genetic component to being gay, that it's very real and very hard to overcome... just like any other genetic predisposition to any other kind of behavior associated with the natural man.
And I absolutely believe that there is a genetic component to being gay, that it's very real and very hard to overcome... just like any other genetic predisposition to any other kind of behavior associated with the natural man.
To Gay LDS | 10:19 a.m. June 24, 2008
Again, the gay community screams out " you are condemning us!"
People who believe they are following the Lord's will should not be
persecuted with the slam, " you are condemning us". Gays on this site
are extremely happy and determined to condemn the LDS and others who are opposed
to Gay marriage. It might interest you to realize the Amendments that recognize
marriage between a man a a woman only, in Callifornia and other states were NOT
introduced by the LDS church or its members but by other religious and
principled people, who believe in Judeo and Christian values as taught
historically in Christianity.
Marlee | 10:20 a.m. June 24, 2008
I refuse to believe that God would set law in scripture that marriage is between
a man and a woman and then create some of his children to be born gay. I look
at each of us having been born with challenges or tendancies, which we need to
learn to overcome or harness. Just because someone has a weakness to
pedaphilia...does that mean they should be able to act out on that? I have seen
reports where pedophiles who receive proper treatment, learn to overcome this
through constantly using the tools they were taught in order to remove
themselves from that situation. I look at the gay lifestyle in the same way, it
can be overcome.
Judge Not? | 10:23 a.m. June 24, 2008
I suggest that everybody read "Judge not and Judging" by Dallin H.
Oaks. Those who say we shouldn't judge are fooling themselves. WE HAVE TO
JUDGE EVERY DAY OF OUR LIVES, whether it be what friends we have or who we
marry, etc.
Keep in mind that separation of church and state was meant more for the government to stay out of telling us what we need to believe in our religious lives, but that as we learn morals we are obligated to ensure that those things that are right are promoted.
Keep in mind that separation of church and state was meant more for the government to stay out of telling us what we need to believe in our religious lives, but that as we learn morals we are obligated to ensure that those things that are right are promoted.
Hmmm... | 10:24 a.m. June 24, 2008
@ AWB-
Your argument is conceptually flawed. This ammendment does not prevent you from living the life you want, it doesn't stop you from living a gay lifestyle, it doesn't make it illegal. It only defines marriage as between a man and a woman. You still have your agency and ability to do what you want to do.
Your argument is conceptually flawed. This ammendment does not prevent you from living the life you want, it doesn't stop you from living a gay lifestyle, it doesn't make it illegal. It only defines marriage as between a man and a woman. You still have your agency and ability to do what you want to do.
David Evans | 10:25 a.m. June 24, 2008
Yet again the LDS church is wasting it's members time and tithing on a
polictical issue. The countries and states where marriage is not limited to one
man and one woman have not exploded or fallen off the planet.
This is a civil issue not a religious one. No one is saying two men or two women are going to kneel across an altar in the temple and be sealed for time and eternity. How sad all the money and power of the LDS church is being directed at this.
This is a civil issue not a religious one. No one is saying two men or two women are going to kneel across an altar in the temple and be sealed for time and eternity. How sad all the money and power of the LDS church is being directed at this.
ProudLDSconvert | 10:28 a.m. June 24, 2008
Amen to Anonymous's post 8:30am. Thank God we have have His representatives
here on earth to speak in behalf of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord always spoke
out against any and all forms of sin. To engage in homosexual acts is SIN,
always has been and it always will be. Homosexuals are expected, just as
heterosexuals, to bridle their passions. The Church and the Lord loves
homosexuals and they are welcome in the Church as everyone else. But they are
expected as we all are to keep ALL the commandments to the best of our ability.
If the day should come that marriage between gays is legal everywhere, that
still will not condone the sin, and anyone who engages in such sin will be held
accountable. Just because something becomes legal does not make it morally
correct and God's laws are higher than mans' laws. I am so grateful to
be a member of the Lord's true Church on Earth and grateful for the
righteous Prophets and Apostles who lead it. They will always stand for the
right, no matter which way the world may wickedly go.
for those that believe the Bible | 10:29 a.m. June 24, 2008
Romans 1: 18, 25-27 (If I had room- vs. 32)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator�
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
�Marriage between a man and a woman is not the LDS church's law. It is God's law. Just because you don't believe in God or in his laws doesn't make them untrue. Truth is truth--no matter how you try to cloud it or make "good look bad" and bad look good." The world thinks they can change God's laws--and then blame the LDS Church for standing up for them. But you will only hurt yourself trying.� -WOW
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator�
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
�Marriage between a man and a woman is not the LDS church's law. It is God's law. Just because you don't believe in God or in his laws doesn't make them untrue. Truth is truth--no matter how you try to cloud it or make "good look bad" and bad look good." The world thinks they can change God's laws--and then blame the LDS Church for standing up for them. But you will only hurt yourself trying.� -WOW
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