This is illogical. Just like increased production, most of the conservation
measures will take several years to implement, and most of them will not have
significant impact individually.We're not going to be driving
electric cars tomorrow in sufficient numbers. Not next year or the year after
either.The key is numerous approaches to increased conservation and
numerous approaches to increased production, and none of these will have
significant impacts for the next couple of years. However, collectively, they
will over time.
Didn't President Bush say that we're "addicted to oil"?... whatever happened to
the famous Republican response to addiction of "Just say No!"? The reason
conservation is more important than drilling for more supplies is that permanent
conservation measures curb need for supplies into the future. Boosting supplies
now without conservation simply sates short-term needs. Electrics and plug-in
hybrids have been announced for 2010, so a medium term solution is coming, and
Americans should be committed to procuring these vehicles! It is better for
these cars to be sitting in our garages and charging up on locally produced
electricity than having our children and grandchilding continuing to stand in
the Mideast desert to "defend" our access to oil!
Inforce a 4 day work week for all employers of pulic and government workers.
Shut down all retail on Sundays including sport activites. Stop busing children
to school. End the war in Iraq. And the damn problem will be solved in 6 months.
Fix the markets for speculation. That is where the problem is. Get rid of the
Hey Deseret News editorial board: pandering to the green left won't win you
credibility nor will it win you readership loyalty from an audience that loathes
all things conservative. This editorial is an example of your paper being adrift
of late. We cannot conserve our way out of the energy crisis, that is simply
foolish thinking when consumption of energy for plasma tv's, rechargeable iPods
and my new waverunners is increasing year after year. Conservation, at best, can
only help slow the increase in demand a little. Rediscover who your audience is:
energy consumers with large families who buy lots of electronics and motorized
vehicles all of which demand more energy production. Stop pandering and start
demanding more production.
There is nothing controversial about using more of the resources that God has
blessed us with. The only controversy is our governments unconstitutional
establishment and the fanatical adherence to the false religion of man caused
global warming. We must come to our senses now. When the war against Iran
begins, no matter who starts it will make oil cost several hundred dollars a
barrel. Drill here, drill now and pay less!!!
"meaningful conservations measures"?
The first step is admitting that you have a problem. As Dr. Bush recognized a
couple years ago, we are addicted. Unhappily, he has spent the last 8 years
defeating every attempt to lessen our dependence. Anonymous, you are so wrong
about how quickly conservation works. Did anyone notice how quickly the penny
dropped all over this great land when gasoline got to 4$ a gallon. Overnight,
consumers changed. SUVs have become radioactive, and not in the good sense.
Americans dropped their rate of driving more than at any other time sense such
things started being measured, in the 1940's. And michaelh, your "drain America
first, at any cost", is just like a meth head going out to score another hit
rather than trying to kick.
The 300 lb. man is sitting in the doctor's office, having just finished a
physical examination.Sez the Doctor:"Mr. Fatso, your
arteries are horribly clogged. Your heart is in danger of failure. You've got do
something, soon, or you're going to die."Says Mr. Fatso:"That's not all, Doc! I'm going broke buying all those Big Macs! I eat six
for breakfast, eight for lunch, and ten for dinner! Have you seen how much they
cost now - it's TWICE what I paid just a couple of years ago. I'm going
broke!"Says the Doc, having been recently inspired by President
Bush:That's terrible. I'm going to urge McDonalds to raise more
beef in the hopes it'll lower the price on your Big Macs.
The reason 75 percent of Americans want the government to get out of the way and
allow for unfettered access to our own petroleum is they can see the train wreck
that's upon us. When liberals say it won't fix the problem immediately, the
people say, the quicker the faster. When they say it won't bring down the price
of oil, the people say flooding the market with any commodity has always brought
the price crashing down (economics 101). Those who are informed know that
environmentalists are living a dream at the moment and their rhetoric is
profoundly unbelievable. Getting away from oil dependence is good, but all at
once, it is economic suicide. There is no comfort in Al Gore buying carbon
credits so he can enjoy his energy hog life style while millions loose their
jobs and suffer to conserve. Just as it came out that Enron had manipulated
energy costs, the people know that even now shenanigans are afoot with oil and
they are unwilling to accept it.
As to electric cars. We don't have any extra electricity either.
We are in the beginning stages of the "Mother of all Downsizings". Our lives
will be changing from what they are now to something resembling the the far
lower energy consumption lives lived by others around the world, and people from
our own past.This isn't a matter of choice or ideology. It is the reality
soon to be forced on us by the facts of geology and thermodynamics. We are
losing the ability to feed our lifestyles the energy diet they require.
The energy problem is a bunch of garbage. Energy is as free as the air we
breath. cars can run on water. You can even make a motor with permanent
magnets - no electrical input. Patens have been issued for this stuff and some
of them are easy to duplicate. I think this is the best one: WO9222123I can't believe we have allowed ourselves into this mess. Don't expect the
corporations or the government to save you, they won't. There is too much money
and power in selling energy. We have to wake up and realize we being lied to.
The solution to the energy problem will have to be a grass roots revolution.
Its funny, the desnews writes a well reasoned editorial about the best way
forward and you chime in with the "stop telling us how it is and just pander to
your core audience" line. I guess that is why you watch faux news.
The only way to put a real dent in oil prices is to nuke China and India, where
virtually all the excess demand has been coming from recently. Absent increased
supply, that causes the price to rise. (And of course, since we now
live in the Age of Asset Bubbles, every time any asset price starts rising -- be
it tech stocks, real estate, or commodities -- the thundering speculative herds
gallop in and jack the price up even further, based on nothing more substantive
than an expectation that rising prices will continue to rise.)
I'm not opposed to offshore drilling, but it would cause the price of gas to
decline by 1 or 2% in about 8-12 years.
As to how we can lower demand in a hurry:If you drive 15,000 miles a
year in a car that gets 20 mpg, you can cut out almost half your gas usage if
you carpool to work and drive only 12,000 miles a year, and get a car that gets
30 mpg. Drive 60 mph and you will save even more. Carpooling and driving
slower can be done immediately; replacing vehicles with higher mileage cars will
take some time, but less than drilling off-shore or opening ANWR.I
know that not everyone can do this (the trucker driving the semi isn't going to
carpool), but if rest of us do so the price of gas will come down for everyone.
Not to mention unclogging the freeways.
Mr. Glaser, let me congratulate you for an actual, live, bonafide HELPFUL AND
POSITIVE COMMENT! You rock, dude!
Mr. Glaser made some excellent suggestions. Unfortunately Millions of people
aren't going to do the things a guy named Steve suggested on the Deseret News
online comments last Tuesday. We need leaders to tell us the truth about our
energy predicament and ask us to do these things as acts of patriotism and good
citizenship. Like they did in WW2.But no US politician is going to have
the spine to do that unless there are crowds of Americans marching in the
streets chanting "LESS, LESS, LESS!"
Conservation won't make a dent. If we don't explore, drill, develop, experiment,
discover while we conserve, we are going to end up a third world country. China
and India are doing all those things minus the conservation. That is
just the fact of life.
Drive at 55 would save 20 billion barrels a year, more than you could pump from
all known US reserves in a year. So simple, yet so far above conservatives'
The more I hear on the subject the more I'm convinced that you'll be better off
buckling down and getting ready to eventually pay $5 or $6 a gallon than
grasping at straws. It doesnt look like there is any short term
solution regardless which direction you want to go. Gas is not going to go
down. Prices vary but it looks like the average for gas worldwide
is about $7-8 a gallon. We may not like it but soon we might be paying what
gasoline is actually worth.
Bush's mentally challenged approach to what he himself calls our "oil addiction"
is to provide more oil fixes and wreck our environment to do it. We need
LEADERSHIP. We need a President who can declare a Manhattan Project for energy.
The Japanese now have hydrogen cars. We have nothing. Where is the leadership?
Thank heaven for the coming Obama Era.
Talk about late! I didnt know Japanese had hydrogen cars already. Figures,
theyve got hydrogen, most of South America has natural gas and alcohol run cars.
When did we get so far behind!
Conserve, drill more, create new technologies/solutions. 2015 will be here
before you know it.
Professor;Your comment that conservation "won't make a dent" makes me
wonder what you are a professor of. Have you been following the story on the
massive drop in gasoline consumption that we just posted, in the wake of 4$ a
gallon gas? C'mon, tell us what you are claiming to be a "professor" of.
Look it takes a combined approach conservation yes of course increased
drilling and use of our own resources yes (a matter of national security) we
need to minimize our dependence on foreign energy develop alternative fuel
sources utilize and develop viable electric cars build clean safe nuclear
power plants.I hear people saying oil shale and offshore drilling and
ANWAR development will take 10 years to have any impact. Yes it will (take 10
years) had we started all of this 10 years ago we wouldnt be in this mess. Wee
were all fat dumb and happy buying our SUV's driving around on cheap gas after
the last oil crisis of the late 70's but we didnt do anything because gas prices
dropped Take the combined approach, wean ourselves off of foreign oil,
develop domestic supplies, conserve and build electric power that is clean and
safe, Develop alternative fuel. Sure it isn't a quick fix, it wont solve
the problem in the short term. It will be painful but ten years from now we will
be much better off. (I hate paying the people who despise us for their oil (Hugo
I read an article this afternoon in a local paper about a group of US big city
mayors who are beginning to oppose the development of the Athabasca tar sands. I
should imagine most of these mayors could not find the sands on a map. They
aren't in the US. They are, however, a critical, huge and stable source of
energy to the US. Unconventional oil development has a massive footprint.
If US mayors thousands of kilometres and a border away want it stopped in an
almost uninhabited area, wait till all the 'drill and explore here' folks get
their way. Have fun with it.
Food for thought -- 1. Nationwide 55 MPH speed limit. Could be
implemented as fast as they can put up new signs. Sierra Club estimate: would
save the equivalent of ALL the oil we now import from the Middle east! 2. Synchronized traffic lights. In use in San Francisco since the 60s (at
least!). Could be done in weeks. Savings would be significant. 3.
Having the yellow light come on with the red light, just before the red goes to
green. Would allow drivers to switch off their engines while waiting. Could be
done right away. Turning off fuel-injected engines at stop lights makes most
small cars almost as fuel-stingy as a Prius. 4. Using Highway Trust
Fund money (Federal fuel tax dollars) to improve more roads, making them more
fuel-friendly.5. Lease new offshore drilling areas. Wouldn't do
anything for oil supply -- or prices! -- for at least a couple of Senate terms.
Which one are the politicians hawking?(By the way, I got
49+ MPG in my 2001 Hyundai the last time I filled up.)
I believe we are at the beginning of a renaissance in energy, everything will be
on the table and the public attention will move the politician off their
keisters to clear the way. Many different energy sources will be developed and
the best will survive and be increased. And it won't be the mickey mouse or
rube goldberg ideas that make it.