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Judge grants a restraining order against FLDS's Jessop

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wrz | 5:26 p.m. June 21, 2008

***Cats | 10:23 a.m. - to FAE: ... He (Jeffs) has now been brought to justice before a mortal tribunal. He will also be brought to account before the Judgment Bar of Christ. That's when he and these other evil leaders will face TRUE justice.***

Didn't you know? Christ died for the sins of all sinners. That would include Jeffs, would it not?

Wild Bill | 5:27 p.m. June 21, 2008

No surprise that a state agency would grant a restrainig order. That means what ? Nothing.

The FLDS subject is very interesting. The supporters of the CPS action are a passionate bunch.

The supporters of the flds are also passionate.

It might be better to ask what is the truth.

Who is right is a matter of perception.

The truth is also a matter of position.

Perception and position, two sides of a coin.

It really does not matter what happens to us, it matters how we deal with it.

The CPS and State of Texas are showing there true colors. Hoax calls that lead to illegal seizure
of a community of people. Now comes the vindictive
nature of the Court and Police of Texas.

The FLDS also showing it's true colors. Trying to
return to there beliefs and lifestyle that will never be the same. The thought of a prophet like
Warren Jeffs is repugnent to most people.
So was Joseph Smith during his time.

I guess that leaves us with the truth.

The truth is that humans are a small ant like race on the edge of the Milky Way.

1000 years from now no one will care.

Justthefactsmaam | 5:35 p.m. June 21, 2008

Interloper | 3:31 a.m. June 21, 2008
Ms. Malonis is the girl's guardian ad litem. She is assigned because the girl lacks the maturity to look after her own interest.
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And you're seriously suggesting that Malonis is mature?

She's already been proven a fool by initially claiming that her client is pregnant, which was later proven to be a lie, just like 36, almost 37 year old women being called minors was a lie.

Any FLDS 16 year is wiser and more mature than Malonis and Walther combined.

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Justthefactsmaam | 5:42 p.m. June 21, 2008

Cats: you have identified an important aspect of this problem: leadership. If one uses imtimidation, threats, abuse, or violence--he is not a leader. Leaders help individuals find their own internal motivation and can provide guidance when needed. FLDS know nothing of leadership--they may only know dictatorship.
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You have identified an important aspect of this problem: leadership. If one uses intimidation (Doran, Walther, Meisner, Voss, Perry), threats (see the previous 5), abuse (see the previous 5), or violence (see the previous 5, tanks, 700 armed men with shotguns and machine guns), s/he is not a leader.

Leaders help individuals find their own internal motivation and can provide guidance when needed. Doran/Walther/Meisner/Voss/Perry know nothing of leadership--they may only know dictatorship.

Justthefactsmaam | 5:49 p.m. June 21, 2008

Very tired of FLDS | 10:21 a.m. June 21, 2008
I also am very tired of FLDS apostate stories. These people are not LDS Mormons, and they need to be dealt with by the law. I'm tired of reading about all these deviate FLDS men. makes my stomach turn!!!!
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Very tried of LDS.

I also am very tired of LDS apostate stories. These people are not FLDS Mormon, and they need to be dealt with by the law (of God). I'm tired of reading about all these deviate LDS women complaining about righteous FLDS men. makes my stomach turn!!!

(written by someone who is not FLDS, nor LDS, nor has ever been, but has the witness that the Book of Mormon is true and Joseph Smith is a prophet)

Justthefactsmaam | 6:00 p.m. June 21, 2008

From Minnesota | 10:46 a.m. June 21, 2008
Isn't polygamy against the law?? Why aren't these men/women being charged and prosecuted for that?

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Because, unless our sexually deviant society wanted to be hypocrites, we'd have to likewise lock up all of the monagamous co-habiters, adulterers, swingers, group sex 1 night standers, etc.

Is there something about treating a woman with RESPECT and not just

USING HER AS A SEXUAL THROWAWAY PLAYTHING

and giving her and her RESULTING children a name, home, honor, etc. something that you find particularly revolting?

Why?

Justthefactsmaam | 6:04 p.m. June 21, 2008

To cats and all of the other sobbing, hysterical women like Malonis and Walther...

* 11 state of Texas Mental Health workers (all or mostly women): NO ABUSE

* 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals: NO EVIDENCE.

* Supreme Court of Texas: NO EVIDENCE.

You gals have cried wolf too many times. Even the gullible public that initially believe Carolyn, Flora and Elissa don't believe them any more farther than they could throw them.

Think!!!!!!! | 7:37 p.m. June 21, 2008

I am so suprised at the HATEFUL post that go on so much against the FLDS in the Deseret News and in the Salt Lake Tribune. It seems that the only real crime by the FLDS here is that YOU do not have the same compassion that YOU expect others to have for YOU, namely: FREEDOM-CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, ETC.ETC.ETC. To all the FLDS haters: we have no malace in our hearts toward you, and forgive all men and God will forgive whom he will.

Anonymous | 8:13 p.m. June 21, 2008

To just the facts maam: I still believe Carolyn, Flora and Elissa. It's not just them, man...it's a lot of other things that are observable and very annoying to the general public. And not only annoying, but abominable.

Bruce | 9:21 p.m. June 21, 2008

This is all the beginning to the end of polygamy being illegal. Texas should have known, as Utah allready does, that if this is challenged on it's constitutionality, if will be declared legal.
All the folks wanted was to be left alone.
Way to go Texas...

a lawyer's opinion | 9:27 p.m. June 21, 2008

The ad litem in this case is acting properly. Her job is to protect the minor who is involved in legal proceedings. If the minor lies to the grand jury, even if it's because Jessop tells her to, then the minor is in jeopardy of perjury. If the minor violates the subpoena, then the minor is jeopardy of contempt of court or worse. The ad litem must protect the minor from legal jeopardy, that's the attorney's job. If an order of protection can help the minor avoid legal trouble, the ad litem has no choice but to petition for such an order.

No matter what you think of the FLDS mess, please respect the due process of law.

Anonymous | 10:19 p.m. June 21, 2008

I think all decisions should be handled by a different judge. This one can never be trusted to make ruling on the FLDS Church.

P | 10:23 p.m. June 21, 2008

These men are just seeking power and Jessop is creepy anyway...such denial.

Anonymous | 11:30 p.m. June 21, 2008

Warren Jeffs is the only true prophet. So take it or leave it!

L | 11:38 p.m. June 21, 2008

If the FLDS are so innocent, why would they not tell the CPS workers which children belonged to which FLDS woman. Why lie about which children are yours? Sounds like to me they have something to hide.

zxcvbnm | 11:50 p.m. June 21, 2008

RE L: The women did identify their children and just as with the age issue the women were disbelieved.
Remember the 100 unidentified children before the court ruling.......they were mysteriously identified after the court order.
Remember the pregnant teens......they were identified as adults after giving birth ...then the babies were taken.
When it was convenient to believe the mothers they were believed.....when it suited the CPS purposes the mothers weren't believed.........kinda self serving don't ya think.

Charles48 | 12:41 a.m. June 22, 2008

CPS in Texas is out of control. The case involving the FLDS shows several examples of that. ""Emergency Removal"" does not take a week of planning, the Judge should have already signed the paperwork. It is not an emergency when you take a week to prepare. With the Caller ID feature set up on 800 lines, the lines give you the caller ID signal even if it is blocked.

Scattering the Children all over the State in an attempt to limit parents from seeing their children.

Taking Religious texts away from Children is wrong, the Handbook of the CPS states that Children are susposed to follow the Religion of the Family. We now have an accepted policy of Removing Religious texts coming from this case.

If any of the Children were on a daily med prescribed by the Childs Doctor, CPS will not allow it to be taken by the Child. EX I know a boy, who has trouble hearing because CPS refused him his medication that helps him hear. Another case involves a little girl who ended up in the Hospital because the CPS Doctor said she did not need allergy medicine.

Charles48 | 12:59 a.m. June 22, 2008

A 14 year old girl in the State of Texas with a Child is treated as an adult. She can sign for the Baby, get the Child medicaid WIC and Foodstamps.

CPS has enough cases to investigate without trying to make Headlines. Go to the local County Hospitals here and check out the Girls 9, 10 ,11 having babies. A large number of these Babies having Babies are introduced to sex with their Mothers Knowledge.

Joanne | 1:48 a.m. June 22, 2008

To Cats:

I'm wholly in agreement with you on the FLDS subject. As in every cult, the followers are, in many cases, brainwashed from being born into it. They know nothing else, and that is precisely the goal of Warren Jeffs, those who preceded him, and those who follow him.

Women are taught to "be sweet". What does THAT mean? Obviously, they must be obedient to their husbands and be willing to be "just one" of any number of "wives" they have. And "Oh, how the sister wives love each other!." Not a shred of jealousy!

Don't believe it!

Re; Sally | 2:20 a.m. June 22, 2008

Ouch! That kind of judgement and we have never even met?

Red | 8:57 a.m. June 22, 2008

Friday's version of this story said the girl could not be located. Many posters made a big thing of her disappearance.

Saturday's version didn't mention this "fact" at all.

Yo, DesNews! Does anyone know where she is, or is she still missing?

Yo, Commentators who were so exercised over her disappearance Friday! Why no concern at all now?

(Apologies if I overlooked someone's comment on this, but I really don't think I missed any.)

re: cats | 11:34 a.m. June 22, 2008

tell me this -why is it that all the women that leave have escaped but all the men who want to leave have been kicked out. Then people that apparently "really don't know much at all" , believe them and give money to hear untrue stories by buying books.

Re: a lawyer's opinion | 3:49 p.m. June 22, 2008

I have a question, I'm not baiting, trolling, or hiding my agenda in the guise of a question. Dows it not matter that the minor and her parent have both stated they've been misrepresented by the ad litem, and they don't want her to represnt them. For example the lawyer claimed her client was/is pregnant and she clearly isn't. So I guess my question is, how does the opinion of the sd litem spercede reality and the wishes of the girl and her parent and how can it be the right thing? At what poind do any checks on the overweening power of the court appointed advocate go into effect?

Re: a lawyer's opinion | 3:50 p.m. June 22, 2008

Excuse my fat fingers.

zxcvbnm | 4:34 p.m. June 22, 2008

Re Lawyers opinion: This particular lawyer has gone out of her way to give interviews, express concerns, and publicly advocate for her client.
She represented a grown woman that was labeled a child by CPS but made no effort to obtain proof of age for her client.
If the child was a victim of abuse as Malonis claims her privacy has been violated by the public discussion and the publishing of the alleged victims name.
Of the 300+ ad litems Malonis appears to have gone out of her way to seek publicity..perhaps her practice needs the free advertisementbut not at the expense of a 16 year old girl.
On top of everything else the girl has called her lawyer a liar in regards to her pregancy and family relationship.........real good client relationship huh.

wingnut | 7:12 p.m. June 22, 2008

Sally, I can assure you that most men are not sexual predators. I don't know what's happened to you in your life, but I suggest you get help.

I hope you are not in a position to influence the thoughts of anyone else.

Interloper | 9:47 p.m. June 22, 2008

It has not been proven or disproven whether this daughter of Warren Jeff's has a child. It appears that she is listed as 'married' to an adult uncle in the Bishop's List. Ms. Malonis is privy to medical information about whether her client has given birth. The girl apparently does not realize the changes in the body caused by childbirth cannot be masked. My inclination is to believe Ms. Malonis, who has no reason to lie.

Willie Jessop's interest is to intimidate the teen into not exposing evidence of criminal behavior within the FLDS. But, she has already done since Ms. and the court are clearly aware of unacceptable things that happened to her.

zxcvbnm | 4:34 a.m. June 23, 2008

Re Interloper:

The lawyer has already stated that the girl who was originally identified as having a child does not have a child.
The Bishops list may have the girls name on it but if the girl says she was never married and the man says he never married the girl the list is kinda useless.
Like everything else in this mess it is rather difficult to prove the validity of a piece of paper that may or may not have been written by persons that do or do not exist that the state considers to be liars.
Put the girl in the temple bed if you want to.....was she sleeping....having sex..... just reading a good book, or sitting there brushing her hair..

to fae | 1:56 p.m. June 23, 2008

So Alissa, at age 14, did not marry her 18 year old cousin? Yea right. You may think 14 is a fine age for marriage, I do not. Warren Jeffs will soon be in prison for more than that, once the DNA comes back and shows his sexual abuse of 12 and 13 year olds. Yea, some man of God. He is a sick tool of Satan.

realitycheck | 4:05 p.m. June 23, 2008

the fact is this lawyer is trying to protect the child from an abusive environment. It's unclear to me why she would meet with Willie Jessop and the girl in the same room. Now that's just stupid. Willy's crazy.

And when Willie said the lawyer was against the FLDS, he was correct. Anyone in their right mind would be against a group of people that spends their entire lives either abusing or being abused.

How anyone can stick up for these people is beyond me. Rod Parker has got to either be whack or greedy. No other reason to defend this group.

I mean - look at the facts -

They murder an entire city of dogs and still think they will get into heaven if they have 3 or more wives? They could have 50 wives and it won't help them on that.

They deny basic civil rights to most of their followers and still think they will go to heaven? Seems obvious to me that the saying "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" means nothing to them, since they would hate to have their rights denied. Don't drink any koolaid from Willie.

The Truth of the Matter | 10:13 p.m. June 23, 2008

In response to the person who pointed out that Christ died for all, inluding Jeffs...

Unless Jeffs repents, he will face the judgement of God for his misdeeds. I hope he thinks long and hard about his involvement in this whole mess.

At the same time, the government grossly overstepped its authority in siezing and retaining 400+ children--including nursing children. The person responsible for this has judgement day to face as well.

God, have mercy on us!

Anonymous | 12:40 a.m. June 25, 2008

Jeffs is not a true prophet, nor are his relatives before him...they are counterfeit. A true prophet would not take the power he has and limit the freedom of his followers. A true prophet would not cheat the government, would not lust after very young girls, and would not limit education.

dagwe | 12:24 p.m. June 30, 2008

What is the punishment for bigamy in other states?? I have heard that these bigamy cases are dismissed or classed as a misdemeanor. It seems that Texas is going after the FLDS as child abuse as a way to get rid of FLDS.

This case is watched around the nation because of the freedom of religion angle. Child abuse is usually followed on the individual case basis. Everyone is following the 17 teenagers that are pregnant in New England but I have not heard about child abuse yet. One of the fathers is said to be a 24 year man.

With the internet, people around the world read "The Deseret News".

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