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Robert H | 12:14 a.m. June 21, 2008
It will be a close race but look at the results when Republicans are polled,
Cannon is ahead by 12 points. When you throw in independents it gets quire
close. In any case, I think everyone expects it will be close with Cannon
winning.
Chaffetz in '08 | 12:42 a.m. June 21, 2008
Just so you remember. Remember Cannon, Pres. Bush neither of these men presented
conservative legislation until they lost power of that congress. These so called
conservatives, these so called republicans, while they controlled all branches
of government, did nothing to push these conservative ideals.
Bush never implored the congress to allow us to develop our own native oil until a congress which it was well known would not quarter to these philosophies was present.
They waited their time 'til a democratic congress controlled power to pander to the conservative body of this nation. To shout to a listening audience they 'are' conservatives. Meanwhile, while they possessed the power of this recent buzzword 'change' they sought not to change, but to continue in the policies that have bankrupted this nation.
Vote Cannon out! Welcome in a man who has embraced the ideals of fixed truths. A man who still knows what is means to represent. A man who will listen to those in whom he indeeds represents.
Chaffetz in '08
Bush never implored the congress to allow us to develop our own native oil until a congress which it was well known would not quarter to these philosophies was present.
They waited their time 'til a democratic congress controlled power to pander to the conservative body of this nation. To shout to a listening audience they 'are' conservatives. Meanwhile, while they possessed the power of this recent buzzword 'change' they sought not to change, but to continue in the policies that have bankrupted this nation.
Vote Cannon out! Welcome in a man who has embraced the ideals of fixed truths. A man who still knows what is means to represent. A man who will listen to those in whom he indeeds represents.
Chaffetz in '08
Matt | 1:31 a.m. June 21, 2008
I asked Cannon at his home once if he wanted the United States to lose its
sovereignty. He answered No! Then he went at voted for CAFTA! CAFTA lessened
our sovereignty by turning over power to the United Nations.
JASON CHAFFETZ needs to be in office for the good of this district and the nation.
JASON CHAFFETZ needs to be in office for the good of this district and the nation.
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Bill Borah | 1:55 a.m. June 21, 2008
I think its time for every incumbent, both Democrat and Republican, be given
their pink slip. They collectively have betrayed the oaths they swore to uphold
and are more beholden to their special interests than to the people who elected
them. I�m urging all my neighbors and friends to go to the
polls next week and vote for Jason Chaffetz.
Justin | 3:42 a.m. June 21, 2008
Cannon should never have declared after his 2006 victory over Jacobs by a count
of 55% to 45% that his renomination was a defeat against "extremism."
In other words, Cannon believes that 45% of his Republican base is full of
extremists. He's about to get a rude awaking this time around by those
so-called "extremists" who are going to come out in large number and
send him packing back to Mapleton!
Dude | 5:33 a.m. June 21, 2008
Chaffetz doesn't care about conservative ideals, he is using you just like
Merril cook did so that he can get into office.
Cannon actually has a record to prove his conservative credentials and you so called conservatives frequently ignore it.
Cannon 08
Cannon actually has a record to prove his conservative credentials and you so called conservatives frequently ignore it.
Cannon 08
liberal larry | 5:54 a.m. June 21, 2008
Chaffetz, has made me see the light, it's republican from now on!
Cats | 6:43 a.m. June 21, 2008
Cannon is both dishonest and incompetent. Anyone who has followed his career
knows that. I hope that the citizens of the state have finally had enough.
Let's get someone who isn't an embarrassment to Utah.
Screen Age | 7:12 a.m. June 21, 2008
Surprisingly, in this race, You Tube videos were VERY helpful in helping my
family to choose between these candidates.
It's a brave new world, isn't it?
It's a brave new world, isn't it?
Go Jason! | 7:13 a.m. June 21, 2008
No excuses. Get yourself to the voting booth and help get Jason elected.
James | 7:21 a.m. June 21, 2008
"the ideals of fixed truths."
Very strong words for a person that has spent most of his life opposing the ideals of the Republican Party, and with almost no track record except campaign rhetoric. And about the only track record we have comes from the Governors office where he was asked to leave and other people such as Russell Skousen have publicly stated he was the most liberal person in the room.
Chaffetz has pandered the entire campaign. Going from concentration/interment/detention camps to suddenly wanting to legalize 20 million illegal aliens by giving every illegal alien in America a visa.
And you bought his lines hook, line and sinker!
It will be close but Chris will pull it off. And then Chaffetz can return to his roots.
Very strong words for a person that has spent most of his life opposing the ideals of the Republican Party, and with almost no track record except campaign rhetoric. And about the only track record we have comes from the Governors office where he was asked to leave and other people such as Russell Skousen have publicly stated he was the most liberal person in the room.
Chaffetz has pandered the entire campaign. Going from concentration/interment/detention camps to suddenly wanting to legalize 20 million illegal aliens by giving every illegal alien in America a visa.
And you bought his lines hook, line and sinker!
It will be close but Chris will pull it off. And then Chaffetz can return to his roots.
money | 7:27 a.m. June 21, 2008
look at who has thrown thier support and money to cannon. Marriott (hotels)
landscapers, roofing companys, etc. the list goes on. All these people hire and
employ illegal immigrants. All these people want the status quo to continue.
All these people want cannon elected again. The only time cannon is tough on
immigration is every two years in june during the primary elections.
Cannon the 'fiscal conservative' has out spent his opponent 6 to 1 in this election. And he says he will go back to washington and be different?
please look at the canidates. In the past we have followed like sheep and then we get shorn.
Cannon the 'fiscal conservative' has out spent his opponent 6 to 1 in this election. And he says he will go back to washington and be different?
please look at the canidates. In the past we have followed like sheep and then we get shorn.
Chaffetz to win! | 7:35 a.m. June 21, 2008
Cannon, I have news. The Constitution doesn't require Chaffetz to live in
the 3rd dist boundaries. He's playing by the rules, you're not.
Ask Cannon why he voted for the Patriot Act, the Protect America Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Real ID act, and why he's so insistent that telecommunications companies that spy on Americans should receive immunity. Cannon and his associates have violated more individual liberties in office than any other group of men in recent history.
So, we have one candidate who has pledged to follow the rules and one who has clearly demonstrated that he hasn't cared a flying leap about the rules for 12 years. Now, all of a sudden, he's decided to explore viable energy options and we're supposed to vote for him? No thanks. I like Chaffetz.
Ask Cannon why he voted for the Patriot Act, the Protect America Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Real ID act, and why he's so insistent that telecommunications companies that spy on Americans should receive immunity. Cannon and his associates have violated more individual liberties in office than any other group of men in recent history.
So, we have one candidate who has pledged to follow the rules and one who has clearly demonstrated that he hasn't cared a flying leap about the rules for 12 years. Now, all of a sudden, he's decided to explore viable energy options and we're supposed to vote for him? No thanks. I like Chaffetz.
Mc | 7:37 a.m. June 21, 2008
Chaffetz does not listen to those he represents. Having worked on the Huntsman
campaign under Chaffetz we learned that he does not care about or listen to
others concerns, even when they have more expertise in an area than he does. He
can be rude and demeaning when others express a differing opinion. He does not
even live in the 3rd Congressional district, so I don't understand why he
can run against Cannon. It doesn't make sense to elect someone that
isn't in the district and doesn't plan to move into it. Cannon has a
great conservative voting record. If conservative issues have not advanced in
Congress, it is not Cannon's fault. It only takes a few moderate
Republicans voting with the Democrats to nix conservative efforts.
We'll be voting for Chris Cannon!
We'll be voting for Chris Cannon!
Seniority | 7:39 a.m. June 21, 2008
I'd like any Cannon supporter to tell me what good his seniority has done
me for the past 12 years.
Is America safer? Are energy costs down? Are the illegal immigrants gone? Am I more free? NO!
He's had "influence" and "seniority" and "audience with the president" long enough. I'd like to try somebody new who can get something done in a decade. Something besides sticking it to the taxpayers, that is.
Is America safer? Are energy costs down? Are the illegal immigrants gone? Am I more free? NO!
He's had "influence" and "seniority" and "audience with the president" long enough. I'd like to try somebody new who can get something done in a decade. Something besides sticking it to the taxpayers, that is.
ROFL | 7:43 a.m. June 21, 2008
"Jason Chaffetz" and "fixed trueth" go together like oil and
water - they don't mix. This guy has changed his positions, religions, and
ideologies more often than John Kerry!
Once a Dukakis Democrat, always a Dukakis Democrat. He wasn't just an ideological college student, trust me, I was there. He was a true believer. But above all that, he believes in the love he has for himself. So h knew to run in the district (that he doesn't even live in), he has to be a right winger.
Sorry Jason, I live in the 3rd District, and I ain't buyin it.
Keep the Cannon
Once a Dukakis Democrat, always a Dukakis Democrat. He wasn't just an ideological college student, trust me, I was there. He was a true believer. But above all that, he believes in the love he has for himself. So h knew to run in the district (that he doesn't even live in), he has to be a right winger.
Sorry Jason, I live in the 3rd District, and I ain't buyin it.
Keep the Cannon
Diligent Dave | 7:57 a.m. June 21, 2008
With 2/3 of land in Utah owned and controlled by the Federal Government, and
with Hill Air Force Base a major employer, Utah's congressional delegation
needs to compromise often in voting for what other states' delegations want
in order to keep the funds we get from Congressional appropriations at a
sufficiently high enough level.
That said, none of the Republican congressmen I have seen (nor Democrats for that matter) have exhibited much, if any real restraint in spending.
It needs to happen. But I don't see it happening, unless more states send true fiscal conservatives to congress, which is opposite the trend nationwide.
With the strong possibility that Democrats could gain control of the White House with Obama, things will get dire with Democrats� strong tax and spend ways.
Granted, Bush has never been a fiscal conservative. But few in the U.S. are asking for restraint in spending. Chaffetz worked for Huntsman, who, while popular, is anything BUT a fiscal conservative. Leavitt before him, though, was also a spendthrift. And even Norm Bangerter increased state spending like nobody�s business.
That said, none of the Republican congressmen I have seen (nor Democrats for that matter) have exhibited much, if any real restraint in spending.
It needs to happen. But I don't see it happening, unless more states send true fiscal conservatives to congress, which is opposite the trend nationwide.
With the strong possibility that Democrats could gain control of the White House with Obama, things will get dire with Democrats� strong tax and spend ways.
Granted, Bush has never been a fiscal conservative. But few in the U.S. are asking for restraint in spending. Chaffetz worked for Huntsman, who, while popular, is anything BUT a fiscal conservative. Leavitt before him, though, was also a spendthrift. And even Norm Bangerter increased state spending like nobody�s business.
Diligent Dave | 7:58 a.m. June 21, 2008
The anti-illegal immigration stance, however, ultimately will prove our undoing.
We do not have enough children, as a nation, to sufficiently supply the labor
force we need to grow and prosper. 1.71 children per white woman per lifetime is
the average in the U.S., and that number is DECLINING.
Even among Mormons, overall fertility rates have dropped to one-third or less of what they were a generation ago! In 1982, with just over 5 million members, the Church had its highest number of children of record, 126,000. Last year, by contrast, was 300-400 under the previous year, and that number was around just 94,000, with worldwide membership of over 13 million members!
We need to vastly increase the number of legal immigrants, or we won't even have enough bodies willing and able to plant and harvest crops stateside! Chaffetz is strongly anti-immigrant. That just won't work!
Even among Mormons, overall fertility rates have dropped to one-third or less of what they were a generation ago! In 1982, with just over 5 million members, the Church had its highest number of children of record, 126,000. Last year, by contrast, was 300-400 under the previous year, and that number was around just 94,000, with worldwide membership of over 13 million members!
We need to vastly increase the number of legal immigrants, or we won't even have enough bodies willing and able to plant and harvest crops stateside! Chaffetz is strongly anti-immigrant. That just won't work!
RockOn | 8:19 a.m. June 21, 2008
I have no stake in this except as a citizen.
Cannon and Chaffetz are about the same on all the issues. It's parsing words or splitting hairs to say otherwise.
The real key is... why not give someone else a chance? We mouth "Term Limits" for all the right reasons... not the least is to have a citizen legislature.
How about it folks? Chaffetz is no pillar of perfection and neither is Cannon. Let's at least give Chaffetz one term. If he's not any better than Cannon, Cannon can run against him then and get his seat back. If he exceeds Cannon, great. Let him serve two more terms but then, give the next guy or gal a turn.
Power to the people!
Cannon and Chaffetz are about the same on all the issues. It's parsing words or splitting hairs to say otherwise.
The real key is... why not give someone else a chance? We mouth "Term Limits" for all the right reasons... not the least is to have a citizen legislature.
How about it folks? Chaffetz is no pillar of perfection and neither is Cannon. Let's at least give Chaffetz one term. If he's not any better than Cannon, Cannon can run against him then and get his seat back. If he exceeds Cannon, great. Let him serve two more terms but then, give the next guy or gal a turn.
Power to the people!
IM | 8:42 a.m. June 21, 2008
I'm voting Cannon this Tuesday. He's the ONLY candidate that I know is
telling the truth and whether or not I agree with him all the time - he's a
good man and absolutely honest.
You want to know how I know this? He's challenged at every election cycle. He MUST be doing something right.
You want to know how I know this? He's challenged at every election cycle. He MUST be doing something right.
Oust Cannon! | 8:43 a.m. June 21, 2008
Its time for cannon to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Demopublican | 8:52 a.m. June 21, 2008
Hey Chaffetz in '08 | 12:42 a.m. June 21, 2008,
What do you mean that Bush and his Republican minions didn't carry out the 'conservative' agenda?
We got a war... a distinct neocon Right conservative agenda.
We got a re-interpreting of Constitutional rights via the Patriotic Act... another distinct noecon Right conservative agenda.
We got a conservative leaning Supreme court... a very distinct conservative cause.
We got pseudo free market Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare schemes that give to the rich and privileged while taking from the needy... a totally distinct conservative agenda, that's so conservative it's neocon.
We got laws passed that heavily favor Big Business while penalizing working middle-class Americans, to the point that primary health care is in shambles... a distinctly conservative cause, though not the outcome they had magically thought they could avoid.
We got more Public Utilities nationwide that went private, in the name of lowering costs to consumers, which skyrocketed with no regulatory oversight... the pet project of the conservative Right now fulfilled.
Don't set there and say that Bush and the Utah Republican legislatures have not fulfilled any of the conservative agenda. They've did so with no Presidential veto whatsoever. It's a shame!
What do you mean that Bush and his Republican minions didn't carry out the 'conservative' agenda?
We got a war... a distinct neocon Right conservative agenda.
We got a re-interpreting of Constitutional rights via the Patriotic Act... another distinct noecon Right conservative agenda.
We got a conservative leaning Supreme court... a very distinct conservative cause.
We got pseudo free market Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare schemes that give to the rich and privileged while taking from the needy... a totally distinct conservative agenda, that's so conservative it's neocon.
We got laws passed that heavily favor Big Business while penalizing working middle-class Americans, to the point that primary health care is in shambles... a distinctly conservative cause, though not the outcome they had magically thought they could avoid.
We got more Public Utilities nationwide that went private, in the name of lowering costs to consumers, which skyrocketed with no regulatory oversight... the pet project of the conservative Right now fulfilled.
Don't set there and say that Bush and the Utah Republican legislatures have not fulfilled any of the conservative agenda. They've did so with no Presidential veto whatsoever. It's a shame!
attilathehun | 8:53 a.m. June 21, 2008
Uggh. Cannon needs to go. He's been a yokel and a panderer ever since
being sent to DC. I still remember one of his campaign events from his first
election, when he had his wife stand up and turn around so he could "show
her off" to everybody. Sexist pig then, still a fake conservative
today.
Who knows? Maybe Chaffetz is as bad as his detractors say. Even so, he'd be an improvement on Cannon.
Who knows? Maybe Chaffetz is as bad as his detractors say. Even so, he'd be an improvement on Cannon.
James | 9:05 a.m. June 21, 2008
Have you read CAFTA? It does not turn over authority to the UN. It does create
an international governing board though this board would be dominated by the US
Trade Representatives office.
It is interesting to piece together debates on trade. On the one hand I have read people complain about the fact that the US imposes tariffs on ethanol from Brazil. They complain that it is just the Bush-boys protecting their ethanol producers in the corn belt. Then along comes measures to end the tariffs, allowing free markets to provide the lowest price ethanol and then this is attacked. Once again, attacked by many of the same people both coming and going.
Maybe study up on the causes of the Great Depression and read some books by Murray Rothbard or Von Mises and you may have a different thought on some trade issues. Maybe, maybe not.
I do agree that some would love to take NAFT, CAFTA, GATT, etc and turn these into the UN thing though that is the minority even in the trade community.
It is interesting to piece together debates on trade. On the one hand I have read people complain about the fact that the US imposes tariffs on ethanol from Brazil. They complain that it is just the Bush-boys protecting their ethanol producers in the corn belt. Then along comes measures to end the tariffs, allowing free markets to provide the lowest price ethanol and then this is attacked. Once again, attacked by many of the same people both coming and going.
Maybe study up on the causes of the Great Depression and read some books by Murray Rothbard or Von Mises and you may have a different thought on some trade issues. Maybe, maybe not.
I do agree that some would love to take NAFT, CAFTA, GATT, etc and turn these into the UN thing though that is the minority even in the trade community.
Pay attention | 9:33 a.m. June 21, 2008
Diligent Dave, Chaffetz is NOT "anti-immigrant." He is anti-ILLEGAL
immigrant. Part of his seven-point immigration plan is to fix the immigration
process so more legal applicants can gain their citizenship. Are you not paying
any attention at all?
Poor Mc | 9:38 a.m. June 21, 2008
Yes, it can be quite galling when someone younger and more intelligent comes
along to tell those "with expertise" how things are going to be. What
is in fact directness and self-confidence can be interpreted by whiners as
rudeness or condescension. More people liked and appreciated this about Jason
than you would have us believe! Including the governor himself!
Cats | 9:41 a.m. June 21, 2008
Chris Cannon will lie anytime he feels it is expedient for his purposes. He has
an uncanny ability to compartmentalize and rationalize the things he does and
says. And he's great at revisionist history. Washington insiders openly
refer to Cannon as a "liar." Washington people are very cautious in
choosing their words. For them to be as blunt as to call someone a liar is very
telling. Believe me! Cannon is famous for being a "liar."
Anyone who thinks that Chris Cannon is honest either on a public or personal basis is very sadly misguided!
Anyone who thinks that Chris Cannon is honest either on a public or personal basis is very sadly misguided!
Fiscal Conservative | 9:43 a.m. June 21, 2008
I've heard Jason talk a lot about Cannon not being a fiscal conservative so
I looked up a couple of groups. I was surprised to see how well Cannon ranked
spending-wise especially after talking to Jason. After doing my homework I
simply can't trust Jason on this issue. I feel, and maybe I misunderstood
him, but I feel he was trying to mislead me. The facts are the facts and these
groups I researched are not trying to oust an Incumbant - I trust these sources.
Jason I don't trust so much anymore.
Club for Growth - 96% Pork-Free/taxpayer friendly voting record
National Journal ranked Cannon the 17th (out of 435) most fiscally conservative member of the House.
American's for Tax Reform - Hero of the Taxpayer Award for votes AGAINST raising taxes.
National Taxpayers Union - "A" rating
Club for Growth - 96% Pork-Free/taxpayer friendly voting record
National Journal ranked Cannon the 17th (out of 435) most fiscally conservative member of the House.
American's for Tax Reform - Hero of the Taxpayer Award for votes AGAINST raising taxes.
National Taxpayers Union - "A" rating
DBG @ Fiscal Conservative | 10:17 a.m. June 21, 2008
Actually, Cannon isn't fiscally conservative. Jason wasn't
"misleading" if you call it that. He was actually telling the TRUTH.
Why? Because Cannon rubber stamped every Bush policy that he wanted. If Cannon
was really fiscally conservative, he would have voted against all spending bills
that created our massive debt.
Bush and Company are not conservatives and neither is Cannon. They are all for big government.
I can say for a fact that Cannon doesn't even read much of anything these days. He said in a speech that he supported the National GOP platform. That's laughable given that he's not even read it and once a few points were pointed out (GWB's name was written 250+ times and means to justify the Iraq War). Cannon retracted his statement but never did so publicly. That tells me he doesn't read much of anything. We can't have a representative that doesn't know what he/she is voting on. He's just a voter.
If survives the primary, I'll be forced to vote democrat.
Bush and Company are not conservatives and neither is Cannon. They are all for big government.
I can say for a fact that Cannon doesn't even read much of anything these days. He said in a speech that he supported the National GOP platform. That's laughable given that he's not even read it and once a few points were pointed out (GWB's name was written 250+ times and means to justify the Iraq War). Cannon retracted his statement but never did so publicly. That tells me he doesn't read much of anything. We can't have a representative that doesn't know what he/she is voting on. He's just a voter.
If survives the primary, I'll be forced to vote democrat.
Truly torn | 10:29 a.m. June 21, 2008
For once I am truly torn between wanting a more conservative voice in Congress
but knowing that ahead of time. I knew Jason in college and he was a truly
lunatic liberal, Michael Moore type stuff. Now he said in an interview recently
that he didn't believe most if not all of the democrat stuff back then.
Well he was either being disengenous back then or he is now, not sure which.
The fact that he is running to the far right of Cannon is interesting. He lives
in Mathesons district, so why didn't he run against the most liberal member
of the Utah delegation. My guess is he chose the most beatable race and
fashioned a ideology to go with it. Cannon has some significant public relation
issues but overall he has the most conservative voting record of the entire Utah
delegation. I am willing to bet good money Jason won't be anywhere close
to the conservative in Congress that he is running like right now.
Tony McGuire | 10:46 a.m. June 21, 2008
With the Salt Lake Tribune promoting Chaffetz with story after story, it is no
wonder if he has a high %.
Name recognition and positive press at the expense of the Tribune.
Doesn't seem right, but...
Name recognition and positive press at the expense of the Tribune.
Doesn't seem right, but...
DCF | 11:22 a.m. June 21, 2008
The good news is that even with the Trib beating up on Cannon they endorsed him
this morning. I think they are just trying to be fair, so they do a few stories
that make Chaffetz look acceptable and then endorse Cannon. Can't accuse
them of being unprofessional I suppose.
In any case, the Chaffetz supporters are simply amazing. Someone goes to the trouble posting FACT on Cannon's spending and that he is one of the tightest tight wads in America, and the next person calls him a big spender.
Wow! The sun is up at noon day and you are denying it. So what score card can you cite that says he is an enormous spender? Any?
It's like all those saying didn't pass any bills. Turns out he passed more legislation that almost Bennett, Matheson and Bishop combined.
Like saying he's weak on enforcement when he voted for 1,000 miles of fence and barrier, thousands of border patrol agents, technology, National Guard troops on the border and the E-verify program.
Your attacks sound good but have NO facts to back them up.
Chaffetz doesn't even live in the 3rd district. Politely he defines "carpet Bagger."
Vote Cannon!
In any case, the Chaffetz supporters are simply amazing. Someone goes to the trouble posting FACT on Cannon's spending and that he is one of the tightest tight wads in America, and the next person calls him a big spender.
Wow! The sun is up at noon day and you are denying it. So what score card can you cite that says he is an enormous spender? Any?
It's like all those saying didn't pass any bills. Turns out he passed more legislation that almost Bennett, Matheson and Bishop combined.
Like saying he's weak on enforcement when he voted for 1,000 miles of fence and barrier, thousands of border patrol agents, technology, National Guard troops on the border and the E-verify program.
Your attacks sound good but have NO facts to back them up.
Chaffetz doesn't even live in the 3rd district. Politely he defines "carpet Bagger."
Vote Cannon!
Chaffetz in '08 | 11:27 a.m. June 21, 2008
For all those people who doubt Chaffetz's new found conservative ideals you
are wrong. Any man who open's his eyes to the truth and changes his ways is
a good man.
The very fact that you mention Gov Huntsman's name with conservative is appalling. He is more liberal than that liberal republican Leavitt.
Name one conservative thing Hunstman has supported and I will apologize. Meanwhile, government grows in this state, surplus is spent rather than returned to the people. We continue to pay for our schools and parents continue to shirk their responsibility to be reliant on self for their own childrens education. Government grows. And none of these "conservatives" do anything about it.
No thank you neo-cons. You can call yourself conservative but we see right through you.
The very fact that you mention Gov Huntsman's name with conservative is appalling. He is more liberal than that liberal republican Leavitt.
Name one conservative thing Hunstman has supported and I will apologize. Meanwhile, government grows in this state, surplus is spent rather than returned to the people. We continue to pay for our schools and parents continue to shirk their responsibility to be reliant on self for their own childrens education. Government grows. And none of these "conservatives" do anything about it.
No thank you neo-cons. You can call yourself conservative but we see right through you.
James | 12:23 p.m. June 21, 2008
Hey Chaffetz in 08, do you know the history of the neo-con movement? If you did
you would know that MOST of them came from the Democratic party, like Chaffetz
did.
Cannon has no pedigree in that crowd. Chaffetz does.
Name one thing that Huntsman has done that is conservative and you will apologize?
Ok, he worked with legislative leaders to repeal the Corporate Franchise Tax. That tax has consistently been viewed as anti-competitive and just a bad tax, I believe implemented during the hey days of FDR. It is seen as one reason the Subprime meltdown has not hit Utah as hard. Not the SOLE reason, but a solid contributor. In fact, he helped go towards a Flat Tax in Utah, surpluses returned in form of tax cuts. FACT.
Huntsman may be out in left-field in some areas but he has been pretty solid on tax reform and pro-business.
If you don't apologize then this means you think cutting the Corp Franchise Tax, etal was bad. Which means you lean-left on tax policy, and would have voted with the Democrats.
Either we get an apology or we see that you are in fact a populist Republican/conservative Democrat.
Your thoughts/response?
Cannon has no pedigree in that crowd. Chaffetz does.
Name one thing that Huntsman has done that is conservative and you will apologize?
Ok, he worked with legislative leaders to repeal the Corporate Franchise Tax. That tax has consistently been viewed as anti-competitive and just a bad tax, I believe implemented during the hey days of FDR. It is seen as one reason the Subprime meltdown has not hit Utah as hard. Not the SOLE reason, but a solid contributor. In fact, he helped go towards a Flat Tax in Utah, surpluses returned in form of tax cuts. FACT.
Huntsman may be out in left-field in some areas but he has been pretty solid on tax reform and pro-business.
If you don't apologize then this means you think cutting the Corp Franchise Tax, etal was bad. Which means you lean-left on tax policy, and would have voted with the Democrats.
Either we get an apology or we see that you are in fact a populist Republican/conservative Democrat.
Your thoughts/response?
Anonymous | 1:19 p.m. June 21, 2008
Cannon may be considered "conservative" in the fantasy land of
Washington DC, but he is still an entrenched part of the establishment,
championing corrupt earmarks, excessive government control, tax and borrow and
spend fiscal policies, etc. Cannon's new ad with Out-of-Touch Orrin and
Pork-Barrel Bennett praising Cannon's "accomplishments" I
definitely support the other guy. Hatch and Bennett are poster children for a
reckless, irresponsible Congress.
Sweeeeep! | 1:28 p.m. June 21, 2008
Rule of thumb for November: If it has been in office for two years or longer,
vote against it! Clean congress the way they have cleaned our wallets!
katherine1966 | 1:40 p.m. June 21, 2008
I am IMPRESSED with Chaffetz, on his views with illegals. Hopefully, for once we
can get someone in who means business, before we crumble even further. We are
certainly on our way.
Straw Man | 1:54 p.m. June 21, 2008
Cannon Good, Chaffetz Bad.
Chaffetz Good, Cannon Bad.
No, wait a minute.
Re-Publicans = Borrow and Spend.
Democrats = Tax and Spend.
Conservatives = Social and Economic Darwinism.
So many Staw Men, So little time!
Chaffetz Good, Cannon Bad.
No, wait a minute.
Re-Publicans = Borrow and Spend.
Democrats = Tax and Spend.
Conservatives = Social and Economic Darwinism.
So many Staw Men, So little time!
Demopublican | 2:42 p.m. June 21, 2008
Chaffetz is actually a better choice than Cannon because Cannon has suported the
Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare schemes of the neocon Republican wing
consistently... and why not, he was the owner and president of one of the
largest recipients of corporate welfare with Geneva Steel.
I'll vote Democratic on this one, but for those of you voting Republican, you really need to vote Chaffetz if you want change in Washington. Democratic party is going to increase their majority in both houses, and Cannon has not worked very well with the Democratic middle, so time to get someone that might be more workable.
As I said, I'm going Blue Dog Democratic on this one. Blue Dog Democratic candidates are more representative of the moderate values of Utah than Utah Republicans have been for the past 20 years.
Time to get this State back on the track it was once so noted for... Fair & Balanced politics that served Utah very very well. Need to get back there.
I'll vote Democratic on this one, but for those of you voting Republican, you really need to vote Chaffetz if you want change in Washington. Democratic party is going to increase their majority in both houses, and Cannon has not worked very well with the Democratic middle, so time to get someone that might be more workable.
As I said, I'm going Blue Dog Democratic on this one. Blue Dog Democratic candidates are more representative of the moderate values of Utah than Utah Republicans have been for the past 20 years.
Time to get this State back on the track it was once so noted for... Fair & Balanced politics that served Utah very very well. Need to get back there.
arc | 3:11 p.m. June 21, 2008
Both are considered conservative by the liberals. Cannon is not looked at by
many as being ethical. I am sure he tries, but every time he votes the way his
brother wants, or the way PACs or corporations want, he looks real bad.
My real problem is that Cannon doesn't always vote the way he says he believes. You can ask Hatch why he votes for something that you don't think he should, and Hatch will have a reason you can understand. Cannon doesn't understand himself, let alone us. It is time to Fire the Cannon, we have a loose one.
Thank Cannon for his 12 years, and replace him with some fresh ideas.
My real problem is that Cannon doesn't always vote the way he says he believes. You can ask Hatch why he votes for something that you don't think he should, and Hatch will have a reason you can understand. Cannon doesn't understand himself, let alone us. It is time to Fire the Cannon, we have a loose one.
Thank Cannon for his 12 years, and replace him with some fresh ideas.
arc | 3:17 p.m. June 21, 2008
Why should Jason move, just because the boundary moved? Alpine has typically
been in the 3rd district. It will be again. If the law required Jason to move to
run, then I would cry foul, it doesn't, for the very reason we have here.
If you wanted to get rid of Matheson, all you would have to do is change the
boundary and he would be out. It doesn't work that way for this very
reason. Cannon wasn't complaining about where Jason lived until he almost
lost in Convention. Then he didn't complain until he realized he could
loose in the Primary, and now he complains. Jason is perfectly legal to run. He
lives in Utah in the center of the 3rd district. Just because he is a couple of
miles outside the current boundary, why should he move.
Decide by what they are going to do. Based on that, I am voting for Jason.
Decide by what they are going to do. Based on that, I am voting for Jason.
arc | 3:22 p.m. June 21, 2008
"Jason is perfectly legal to run. He lives in Utah in the center of the 3rd
district." I mean the center population wise. Location wise, Delta would be
a good place to live.
re: James | 3:23 p.m. June 21, 2008
I am far more right than you or Huntsman ever will be. He may help out a few
with tax breaks to promote growth in Utah, but where has he helped out everyone?
If he wants true growth get rid of the income tax. We are in the top 10 most
taxed states.
He kept OUR surplus, he spent it on schools. My father is a benificiary of that surplus, He is a teacher. But principles are principles.
The flat tax is a farce, it is a movement intended to keep tax at the same level but impress deceived dumb conservatives as some sort of tax reform.
Restructure taxes to what the founding fathers intended, USER FEES. If you drive, you pay gas tax for road construction. If you go to school you pay for that school. If you enjoy city services you pay for those services. Tariffs are a means to pay for things we all use. Such as the Military.
The Neo-Cons removed all tariffs under the deceptoin of "free trade" to enslave the American people to our Chinese Masters.
Hunstman is not a conservative, if you think he is one, you aren't one yourself.
He kept OUR surplus, he spent it on schools. My father is a benificiary of that surplus, He is a teacher. But principles are principles.
The flat tax is a farce, it is a movement intended to keep tax at the same level but impress deceived dumb conservatives as some sort of tax reform.
Restructure taxes to what the founding fathers intended, USER FEES. If you drive, you pay gas tax for road construction. If you go to school you pay for that school. If you enjoy city services you pay for those services. Tariffs are a means to pay for things we all use. Such as the Military.
The Neo-Cons removed all tariffs under the deceptoin of "free trade" to enslave the American people to our Chinese Masters.
Hunstman is not a conservative, if you think he is one, you aren't one yourself.
Mc Rebuttal | 3:37 p.m. June 21, 2008
Mr. Mc - Re: your comments about working under Chaffetz during the Huntsman
campaign.
I, too, worked on the Huntsman campaign. I also came to the campaign with more overall experience than Jason and for awhile his decisions irked me, at least in the short-term.
Over the long-term, I believe we both learned from each other - me moreso than he. I believe that is a testament of his overall vision and grasp of public policy as it relates to campaigning.
Bottom-line: Jason gets it. For those who think he'll 'turn' once he's elected, you must keep in mind that of anyone, Jason knows FULL-WELL that being a US representative is a 24/7 full-time campaign. Unlike US Senators or other elected officials, US Reps (Especially in Utah) MUST keep campaigning to their base every day for all two years. That means voting with your district and being able to answer to the delegates who nominate you....EVERY SINGLE DAY.
In Utah's CD-3 - there IS no such thing as a "blue-dog" or a "moderate." You're either with us or against us. If Jason 'turns' - then the delegates will 'turn' on him. And he knows that.
I, too, worked on the Huntsman campaign. I also came to the campaign with more overall experience than Jason and for awhile his decisions irked me, at least in the short-term.
Over the long-term, I believe we both learned from each other - me moreso than he. I believe that is a testament of his overall vision and grasp of public policy as it relates to campaigning.
Bottom-line: Jason gets it. For those who think he'll 'turn' once he's elected, you must keep in mind that of anyone, Jason knows FULL-WELL that being a US representative is a 24/7 full-time campaign. Unlike US Senators or other elected officials, US Reps (Especially in Utah) MUST keep campaigning to their base every day for all two years. That means voting with your district and being able to answer to the delegates who nominate you....EVERY SINGLE DAY.
In Utah's CD-3 - there IS no such thing as a "blue-dog" or a "moderate." You're either with us or against us. If Jason 'turns' - then the delegates will 'turn' on him. And he knows that.
liberal larry | 3:38 p.m. June 21, 2008
Would you guys please be nice, and quit bashing Governor Huntsman? He's
the best "conservative" that this state has ever produced, and all I
hear, is you right wingers complaining about him!
Mike | 3:44 p.m. June 21, 2008
Chaffetz should be elected. I have always voted Republican, but it does not
mean much if my only choice is Cannon. He is rude. He is arrogant. He is
wrong on do many issues except right before the election. NAFTA, GATT, No Child
Left Behind, drilling in the arctic, immigration, etc. Why keep one who is
really like a Democrat. Let's elect Jason Chaffetz. I went and heard him
Wednesday. He does have a heart. You can see he believes what he is saying.
He is such a good person. We will be amiss if we keep Cannon and do no elect
Jason Chaffetz.
MetricWrench | 4:43 p.m. June 21, 2008
All incumbants get the ax. Period, end of story.
James | 6:03 p.m. June 21, 2008
To re:James, so in fact you are a democrat. You just gave us every line that the
Democrats used when they attacked the tax reforms, and tax cuts that Huntsman
supported.
So we have another Democrat supporting Chaffetz. Shocker.
Mike of 3:44, just a quick clarification that the Chaffetz bullet points have not bothered to clean up. You fault him for two that you are flat out wrong on. NAFTA was signed by the President in 1992, ratified by Congress in 1993, Cannon won office in 1996 and was sworn into office in 1997. He was not in office to vote for NAFTA.
And Cannon has voted to open ANWR. So you are saying that Chaffetz is now opposed to opening ANWR? I have heard that he supports it. Is this another flip-flop? Or more likely you just don't know what you are talking about on these details.
And when you get such easy ones wrong like it makes me wonder about your ability to judge the details on the other.
Vote Cannon!
So we have another Democrat supporting Chaffetz. Shocker.
Mike of 3:44, just a quick clarification that the Chaffetz bullet points have not bothered to clean up. You fault him for two that you are flat out wrong on. NAFTA was signed by the President in 1992, ratified by Congress in 1993, Cannon won office in 1996 and was sworn into office in 1997. He was not in office to vote for NAFTA.
And Cannon has voted to open ANWR. So you are saying that Chaffetz is now opposed to opening ANWR? I have heard that he supports it. Is this another flip-flop? Or more likely you just don't know what you are talking about on these details.
And when you get such easy ones wrong like it makes me wonder about your ability to judge the details on the other.
Vote Cannon!
Marcia | 6:58 p.m. June 21, 2008
I live in the 3rd congressional district and have decided to vote for Cannon
again. It bothers me that Chaffetz doesn't live in our district. It seems
disingenuous to me that Chaffetz would blame Cannon, one person, for the
failings of the House of Representatives. It's unrealistic to think
Chaffetz is going to load up 12 million illegals and deport them. He
doesn't come across as a reasonable person.
NAFTA | 7:47 p.m. June 21, 2008
Chris Cannon did not vote for NAFTA but he supports it. Go to project vote
smart and look at the "political courage test". He fully supports
NAFTA.
And Chaffetz wants to drill in ANWR - always has. No flopping.
And Chaffetz wants to drill in ANWR - always has. No flopping.
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