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Ridgerunner | 3:25 a.m. June 19, 2008
GWB has been a great president in my opinion. He is right about energy
(including this issue). He is right about terrorism. He is right about tax cuts.
He is right about same sex marriage. He is right about the second amendment. He
right about activist judges in our judicial system. He is a good and decent man
who did an impossible job. I hope someday I can thank him personally, shake his
hand and look him in the eye. His critics have not been honest in their
criticisms.
Anonymous | 4:11 a.m. June 19, 2008
If oil shell is not viable for at least five years, it should be worked on. As
long as producing it does not require to take water out of the Colorado river.
The west is dry enough as it is.
Forget ANWAR there is not enough oil there to make it worth ruining it.
Lets start drilling the coastal waters tomorrow. Only to lessen our dependancy on foreign oil. Keep gas prices high to force development of alternate energy, it is the only way that it will happen.
Forget ANWAR there is not enough oil there to make it worth ruining it.
Lets start drilling the coastal waters tomorrow. Only to lessen our dependancy on foreign oil. Keep gas prices high to force development of alternate energy, it is the only way that it will happen.
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(Snake) Oil Shale | 4:47 a.m. June 19, 2008
What's it take to get oil from shale?
Enormous coal-fired power plants and huge amounts of water.
Meaningful quantities of oil from shale (a highly doubtful scenario) would come at a staggering cost, both financially and environmentally.
How typical of the Bush administration to trot out this tired old snake oil routine as a distraction during an election year.
Enormous coal-fired power plants and huge amounts of water.
Meaningful quantities of oil from shale (a highly doubtful scenario) would come at a staggering cost, both financially and environmentally.
How typical of the Bush administration to trot out this tired old snake oil routine as a distraction during an election year.
IM | 5:01 a.m. June 19, 2008
Thank you Chris Cannon! This is great. DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW!
I'm voting for Cannon on June 24th!
I'm voting for Cannon on June 24th!
Baza Bamboozling | 5:04 a.m. June 19, 2008
Baza's claim that beginning to develop oil shale inito crude won't
relieve current gas prices because production is still a few years down the road
is bunk. The oil markey is a futures market, driven wild by speculation over
where production will come from in the future and whether supplies will be ample
or limited. Aggressively developing the ability to produce crude from shale
sends a strong signal to speculators in oil futures that OPEC won't be the
king of the hill much longer. OPEC in turn will see its dominance fading fast,
since the U.S. is still the largest single market, and will be forced to drop
its prices to develop goodwill among U.S. consumers in advance of shale/crude
production cutting into their profits.
Starting to aggressively seek domestic oil sources is the right thing to do, whether it takes a year, 5 years, or 20 years. We cannot continue to rely on foreign oil.
Starting to aggressively seek domestic oil sources is the right thing to do, whether it takes a year, 5 years, or 20 years. We cannot continue to rely on foreign oil.
Eugene | 5:06 a.m. June 19, 2008
So when will the huddled masses realize that the Democrats and environmentalists
have caused our lack of a cohesive energy plan? President Bush should rescind
the executive order banning some oil drilling and enact one of his own that bars
frivolous environmental lawsuits filed to only delay projects, streamline the
application process for nuclear plants and refineries and lift all bans on
domestic drilling. He can do this under the national security guidelines.
Doing so now would drop oil prices in half immediately since the speculators are
controlling the price, not supply and demand. Even knowing that significant
domestic oil would be coming on line in 5-10 years would quash the speculators
and cause OPEC to immediately increase production in order to make halt the
American demand for developing more domestic oil. OPEC needs us to be dependent
on their oil.
Ardent | 5:38 a.m. June 19, 2008
to Kenny: It is because they are so used to not telling the truth, that's
how. They are used to being able to tell us what they want us to believe and so
many have fallen for their dishonesty that they think they are immune. Ha!
More ane more are discovering the lies in them. They truth is hard to come by
in the liberal dem party we have these days... Yesterday just proves my point in
the response they gave to President Bush. No conscience I think to remind them
what they SHOULD do.
michaelh | 6:02 a.m. June 19, 2008
The Democrats are doing something; remember Obama�s change
we can believe in. We will not be able to drive, eat or heat and cool our homes
as we have done in the past. The Democrats are trying to enrage the voters
thinking that they will win because they are the party of change. We can only
hope that the nation will shake off the stupor and realize that the Democrats
are with malice aforethought causing famines. Not just in energy but food as
well.
We are the United States of America we can do anything we put our mind to if we can just get the miserable leftist Democrats out of our way.
We are the United States of America we can do anything we put our mind to if we can just get the miserable leftist Democrats out of our way.
Why? | 6:13 a.m. June 19, 2008
I don't understand, and I want an answer as to "Why", the Chinese
are allowed to drill oil off the coast of Florida (sideways under Florida) but
we are not allowed to drill the same oil because the liberal Democrates
won't allow it due to environmental protection? Why? What happens if the
Chinese, Wait! let me re-phrase that, What happens WHEN the Chinese spill oil
off the coast of Florida? do you think they will clean up our coasts? We need to
regulate and control drilling off the coasts of the United State and NOT other
counrties. Do you think China would allow us to drill off their coasts? Not a
chance.
The Market | 6:19 a.m. June 19, 2008
If you increase supply I lower my price. If you decrease demand I lower my
price. If you do both then I accelerate the rate at which I lower my price.
Additional Memo to Congress: Do less, that is, remove obstacles to allow me to
bring prices down. I am a very powerful thing, I brought you things like low
cost phone service with tons of added features. The greatest cure for high
prices is high prices.
Lynn | 6:31 a.m. June 19, 2008
It sounds like Mr. John Baza has joined the rest of the Democrats in opposing
anything that represents an improvement to our lifestyle. I do not believe
anyone is saying that processing oil from shale is a refined process today, but
if we keep waiting forever, we will never capitalize on the opportunity to do
something that really can help us. Same is true of nuclear, wind, hydro, solar
and CNG in our vehicles. We need to be working on every one of these as well as
ways to produce commercial hydrogen. If congress wants to show that they really
care, then there should be some legislation and dollars focused on every
possible approach we have to dig ourselves out of this problem.
Needs heat energy and water | 6:52 a.m. June 19, 2008
The heat and water needed to produce oil out of shale will need to come from
Utah's energy and agricultural sectors. We'll also need to
drastically increase our energy power production to generate the heat necessary
to squeeze the oil out of stone -- perhaps more wind power, solar energy, and
geothermal (energy sources that don't require excessive amounts of water
like coal and natural gas)? Heaven knows, we can't get a coal-plant going
here in Utah, so oil shale could be the spark for getting Utah's renewables
going! If oil shale won't impact oil markets for three to five years, I
wonder how electric plug-in cars will impact the oil market in 2010? The
growing waiting lists and consumer demand clammering to get them -- electricity
is only 1/4 the cost of gas today -- is destined to impact oil prices in the
next three to five years as well (just as regular hybrids are helping to curb
oil prices today through reducded demand). Will oil shale still be economically
viable? Bush says America's addicted to oil -- I guess the cure is simply
more oil... whatever happened to the Republicanism "just say no!"
motto for addiction?
To Kenny: | 7:03 a.m. June 19, 2008
Anyone who blames a party for anything is missing the truth. Parties are the
problem itself and when you take a side you are as bad as the politicians you
accuse.
Democrats are anti poor now? You need a history lesson and you need to start looking at what Republicans have done with their president for the past 10 years. The Rep. congress didn't drill either DID THEY!?
I guess the truth only suits Utahns when they want.
I am LDS, I'm Paleo-Conservative, I'm buying a hydrogen car as a better alternative to feeding oil companies. Conservative does NOT mean republican. I'm not a democrat either. Conservative has a meaning which most Utahns are so hypocritical about now that they forget why they were conservative to begin with.
Gay rights and Abortion are not the only two things we should talk about. Price of Gas before Bush was 1.47 the month before his inauguration. This doesn't mean it is undoubtedly his fault or anything like that. But this certainly shows how long that he and his republican congress had to help the economy and did nothing. They crushed America. You can't see that then your blind. Corruption & Greed.
Democrats are anti poor now? You need a history lesson and you need to start looking at what Republicans have done with their president for the past 10 years. The Rep. congress didn't drill either DID THEY!?
I guess the truth only suits Utahns when they want.
I am LDS, I'm Paleo-Conservative, I'm buying a hydrogen car as a better alternative to feeding oil companies. Conservative does NOT mean republican. I'm not a democrat either. Conservative has a meaning which most Utahns are so hypocritical about now that they forget why they were conservative to begin with.
Gay rights and Abortion are not the only two things we should talk about. Price of Gas before Bush was 1.47 the month before his inauguration. This doesn't mean it is undoubtedly his fault or anything like that. But this certainly shows how long that he and his republican congress had to help the economy and did nothing. They crushed America. You can't see that then your blind. Corruption & Greed.
liberal larry | 7:03 a.m. June 19, 2008
One thing that Bush, and many of the delusional posters here aren't saying,
is that, oil from shale oil will be expensive. They may possibly develop in
situ methods of mining shale oil, but I've heard estimates of shale oil
coming in at $95.00 dollars per barrel. Plus current mining techniques use a lot
of water and produce huge quantities of waste rock containing acids and other
noxious compounds.
We have plenty of energy, just not cheap, energy.
We have plenty of energy, just not cheap, energy.
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 7:10 a.m. June 19, 2008
If the the equivalent of about 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil sits in
the oil shale of the Green River Basin that crosses Colorado, Utah and Wyoming,
and it's more than three times larger than the proven oil reserves of Saudi
Arabia, plus they have the technology to make oil shale production more
affordable and efficient, tell the environmentalist's "we are
drilling" - now go hug a tree in the forest along with AlGore and the rest
of the Obamaism thumb sucker's and liberal's, that sit back and
"do nothing" plus block what is good for America and its people and
play their blame game all the time and get paid for it. The american people is
tired of it, and ani't gonna take it anymore. The moral majority says
"start drilling now."
MEMO TO CONGRESS: GIT-R-DONE Today.
MEMO TO CONGRESS: GIT-R-DONE Today.
ST. GEORGE | 7:18 a.m. June 19, 2008
Ridgerunner | 3:25 a.m. June 19, 2008
Are you kidding me? This President has destroyed our way of life over the past 8 years. All his programs are INFLATIONARY, spending on Military, Border Control, Immigration, Police, etc., spending that produces no goods and services for the public, but injects Billions of Dollars into the system.
His Energy policy has been tailored to bring about two things: 1) Immense profits for BIG OIL, 2) Break into ANWR (future immense PROFITS FOR BIG OIL).
AFFORDABLE SUSTAINABLE OIL is a thing of the past�time to move on, and start investing in the new AMERICAN ENERGY REVELUTION.
We need to give land grants of Federal Land to Municipalies for the construction of clean renewable electric power plants, solar, wind, geo-thermal. We need the Federal Government to spend $40 Billion per year on generating and delivery systems for the next 20 years. We need the Federal Government to build a MagLev train system for transportation of goods and people.
ONLY WITH THESE PROVISIONS SHOULD BIG OIL, BE ALLOWED TO DRILL ON THE COASTS.
VOTE ONLY ONLY FOR THOSE CANDIDATES THAT PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
Are you kidding me? This President has destroyed our way of life over the past 8 years. All his programs are INFLATIONARY, spending on Military, Border Control, Immigration, Police, etc., spending that produces no goods and services for the public, but injects Billions of Dollars into the system.
His Energy policy has been tailored to bring about two things: 1) Immense profits for BIG OIL, 2) Break into ANWR (future immense PROFITS FOR BIG OIL).
AFFORDABLE SUSTAINABLE OIL is a thing of the past�time to move on, and start investing in the new AMERICAN ENERGY REVELUTION.
We need to give land grants of Federal Land to Municipalies for the construction of clean renewable electric power plants, solar, wind, geo-thermal. We need the Federal Government to spend $40 Billion per year on generating and delivery systems for the next 20 years. We need the Federal Government to build a MagLev train system for transportation of goods and people.
ONLY WITH THESE PROVISIONS SHOULD BIG OIL, BE ALLOWED TO DRILL ON THE COASTS.
VOTE ONLY ONLY FOR THOSE CANDIDATES THAT PLEDGE TO END THE OIL BASED ECONOMY.
Baza isn't being helpful | 7:20 a.m. June 19, 2008
Baza is being down right antiproductive and is standing in the way of allowing
Americans to stand up and make a way for families to have a way to feed their
families.
We are finding that alternative energy sources; wind, solar, fuel cells, all will have their own problems with the environment. There are certain elements needed to convert these sources to be useable sources and they will have to be mined in greater portions. This will cause other taxing problems on our envirnonment.
We all hope for some way that won't tax the envirnonment in harmful ways. When you look at all the alternatives thouroughly oil still is a great source to be used.
Currenlty Canada produces millions of barrels every year without hurting the environment in harmful ways. Our (intermountain region) source of tar sands and oil shale is of higher quality in many places than Canada's also.
What is Baza's real agenda here, and others that stand up and say we shouldn't even try to develop America's vast resources?
We are finding that alternative energy sources; wind, solar, fuel cells, all will have their own problems with the environment. There are certain elements needed to convert these sources to be useable sources and they will have to be mined in greater portions. This will cause other taxing problems on our envirnonment.
We all hope for some way that won't tax the envirnonment in harmful ways. When you look at all the alternatives thouroughly oil still is a great source to be used.
Currenlty Canada produces millions of barrels every year without hurting the environment in harmful ways. Our (intermountain region) source of tar sands and oil shale is of higher quality in many places than Canada's also.
What is Baza's real agenda here, and others that stand up and say we shouldn't even try to develop America's vast resources?
GWB | 7:22 a.m. June 19, 2008
It�s amazing how people can claim that Bush is such a
wonderful president because of tax cuts. They don�t realize
that the so called tax cuts are actually tax deferrals. Mr. Bush has borrowed
more money than all the presidents before him combined in order to hide his
�tax cuts.� Someone will eventually
have to pay off those tax cuts and it�s your children and
grand children. He is the worst example of a fiscal conservative in the history
of the Republican Party. McBush will be worse. Borrow and spend seems to be the
rally cry in Washington today.
Miserable Leftist | 7:23 a.m. June 19, 2008
This miserable leftist democrat would love to see the kerogen shales developed.
Worthless scrub with a few farms and ranches, the biggest tax scam of all. This
will bring jobs. Now and again, you can see a piece of machinery on I15 going
down the road, as long as a flatdeck and 1.5 lanes wide. It is half a truck box,
or something similar, labelled for places like Albian Sands or Tar Island or
Mildred Lake. I worked in the Oil Sands; the footprint of unconventional oil
development is huge. It needs lots of power, and lots of water. You can have a
minesite as big as Delaware. Good luck trying to get this going in a state where
a power line or wind turbine is unacceptable because it spoils the view.
Leonardo | 7:26 a.m. June 19, 2008
You can extract a lot of hydrocarbons from the Green River Formation of the
Uintah Basin. You can also extract an immense treasure in gold from the
granites of Little Cottonwood Canyon. But at what cost? And I ain't
talking about scenery here. The immense amounts of energy required to process
the very low amount of hydrocarbon (per pound) that shale contains means we will
be using up one resource (coal) to generate another (the kerogen, a low grade
hydrocarbon). But that's only the beginning; the kerogen will require
massive amounts of water to process, drawn from the same sources (Green, White,
and Yampa Rivers) that currently sustain our ranchers, farmers, and cities.
And the further industrialization of the Book Cliffs is another step towards creating an industrial wasteland where once there was productive rangeland and good hunting. The rocky landscapes of the Uinta Basin will not recover in my lifetime.
And the further industrialization of the Book Cliffs is another step towards creating an industrial wasteland where once there was productive rangeland and good hunting. The rocky landscapes of the Uinta Basin will not recover in my lifetime.
Dave | 7:28 a.m. June 19, 2008
The enviros are still the 100 lb gorilla in the room. With the current laws
they can and will stop any development for 20 years.
ST. GEORGE | 7:29 a.m. June 19, 2008
Lynn | 6:31 a.m. June 19, 2008
You are correct! If our elected officials cared they would analys all the spending and redirect it to critical needs, the most important being National Energy Security. We need to start converting our Nation to an electric powered Nation immediately, but this will take time, so start TODAY.
They should take the BIG OIL SUBSIDY of $96 Billion per year being spent on the war, that keeps Middle East oil flowing to the World---- let the Europeans keep that oil flowing. Use our $96 Billion to build clean renewable alternative power plants here. We would get 50,000 megawatts capacity for this amount, enough to power 12 Million homes, about 10% of all residences in the Nation.
Any legislation allowing more drilling should MANDATE THAT THAT OIL CAN ONLY BE SOLD IN THE USA!
You are correct! If our elected officials cared they would analys all the spending and redirect it to critical needs, the most important being National Energy Security. We need to start converting our Nation to an electric powered Nation immediately, but this will take time, so start TODAY.
They should take the BIG OIL SUBSIDY of $96 Billion per year being spent on the war, that keeps Middle East oil flowing to the World---- let the Europeans keep that oil flowing. Use our $96 Billion to build clean renewable alternative power plants here. We would get 50,000 megawatts capacity for this amount, enough to power 12 Million homes, about 10% of all residences in the Nation.
Any legislation allowing more drilling should MANDATE THAT THAT OIL CAN ONLY BE SOLD IN THE USA!
B.G.Merrell | 7:30 a.m. June 19, 2008
I have produced oil from oil shale without using a drop of water, in fact we
produced water. As for needing coal fired power plants,wrong, we generate all
the energy needed plus that much in excess, when sold on the grid will pay all
mining costs. We burned the spent shale (fixed carbon) and obtain enough heat
for power generation. Polutants, none that are not sequestered on site.
Problem: We tired of the slowness og congress to release land, so we sold the technology to Australia. Congress should wake up occasionally.
Problem: We tired of the slowness og congress to release land, so we sold the technology to Australia. Congress should wake up occasionally.
Southern Girl | 7:32 a.m. June 19, 2008
You gooo "Baza" -- I agree with your comments. I saw a piece on a tv
news show this week that showed how the speculation is what is driving oil and
gas prices up -- not actual supply and demand. We are being manipulated by
traders! And most of them are not even operating from our country! I have land
in Louisiana, on the "Tuscaloosa Trend" -- it has oil and gas on it.
Years ago, the government ordered exploration and drilling stopped. Wells were
capped. Hmmm.... And, I have always been a registered Democrat. However, my
party NO LONGER REPRESENTS US NOR OUR BELIEFS. I am being forced to change my
political party, because of the few idiots that are trying to run things their
way and not the way the people feel things should be run. And, as for
Obama...coming from a "Christian-based" Democrat, he's an
Obamanation!!
Susan | 7:46 a.m. June 19, 2008
Judging by the number of monster, gas-guzzling trucks screeming down I-15 at 90
miles an hour, the price of gasoline isn't "too high" yet.
Congress, President Bush, and Utah lawmakers could all benefit from a basic
course in the economics of the market.
energy policy | 7:53 a.m. June 19, 2008
The goal of widened efforts to extract new oil, whether from oil shale, ANWAR,
or our coastline, is to create expectations that more supply will be available
in the future. Expectations about the future strong supply drive reductions in
oil futures, which puts downward pressure on oil prices today. If the market
thinks there's going to be plentiful supply in 5 or 10 years, then the
market won't be baking in their concerns about "peak oil" in
today's price. This is all an expectations game.
The solution, by the way, is to get short term oil prices down BUT to tax the price back up to a point that still encourages conservation, ride-sharing, and high-MPG vehicle purchases. Meanwhile, government incentives and subsidies for alternative energy development are crucial, as long as they are directed to sources that actually can make a difference -- wind, solar, geothermal, nuclear. Ethanol is not viable since it displaces food production that is clearly needed.
The solution, by the way, is to get short term oil prices down BUT to tax the price back up to a point that still encourages conservation, ride-sharing, and high-MPG vehicle purchases. Meanwhile, government incentives and subsidies for alternative energy development are crucial, as long as they are directed to sources that actually can make a difference -- wind, solar, geothermal, nuclear. Ethanol is not viable since it displaces food production that is clearly needed.
Please Think | 8:21 a.m. June 19, 2008
I'm not here to bash anyone. It's never productive to do so. The
rationales that I'm hearing on this comment board are strange. Rather than
forcing our Auto and Energy industries into coming up with cleaner more
renewable energy, our plan is to drill and suck the west dry of all natural
resources?
When gas was under $2.50 a gallon there was no call for these technologies, or calls for renewable energy. Now that gas is getting more expensive, the industries are working feverishly to come up with new, better technologies.
By the way. When Clinton left office in 1999, gas prices were under $1.50 a gallon. Eight years of Repulican rule later?..... Hmmmm....
When gas was under $2.50 a gallon there was no call for these technologies, or calls for renewable energy. Now that gas is getting more expensive, the industries are working feverishly to come up with new, better technologies.
By the way. When Clinton left office in 1999, gas prices were under $1.50 a gallon. Eight years of Repulican rule later?..... Hmmmm....
The Rock | 8:27 a.m. June 19, 2008
While grilling the oil execs in recent congressional hearings, congress woman
Maxine Waters (Watts area of Los Angeles) made the following comment:
"I will tell you what this liberal is going to do. I plan to socia... uh, we will take over and run the oil companies." (not exact, but close enough)
What are we to conclude but that people like her first create huge problems so they will have an excuse expand the government into areas that the public would otherwise never support.
If these socialists were to actually get their way they would own:
Health Care
Energy production
Food production
Transportation (mass transit to and from work)
and who knows what else.
Drill Here, Drill Now. We need new sources of energy today.
"I will tell you what this liberal is going to do. I plan to socia... uh, we will take over and run the oil companies." (not exact, but close enough)
What are we to conclude but that people like her first create huge problems so they will have an excuse expand the government into areas that the public would otherwise never support.
If these socialists were to actually get their way they would own:
Health Care
Energy production
Food production
Transportation (mass transit to and from work)
and who knows what else.
Drill Here, Drill Now. We need new sources of energy today.
ST. GEORGE | 8:28 a.m. June 19, 2008
energy policy | 7:53 a.m. June 19, 2008
GWB should have you set his energy policy -- not Dick Cheney the crooked OILMAN.
GWB should have you set his energy policy -- not Dick Cheney the crooked OILMAN.
Brother Chuck Schroeder | 8:30 a.m. June 19, 2008
Gold futures rose nearly 2% early Thursday, gaining as the U.S. dollar traded
mixed against other major currencies.Gold for August delivery gained $10.40 to
$903.90 an ounce on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The metal earlier hit an
intraday high of $910.50.On Wednesday, gold gained $6.60 an ounce in Nymex
action.On the currency markets, the dollar was mixed after a report showed that
U.S. weekly jobless claims fell to a two-week low. The dollar index which tracks
the performance of the greenback against a basket of other currencies, edged up
0.1% to 73.53.Crude-oil futures were very volatile early Thursday.The July
contract was last down 2% as traders digested news that a Royal Dutch Shell oil
platform off the coast of Nigeria was shut down after an attack by local
militants. Given rising inflation concerns we continue to anticipated increasing
investment demand on dips, as reflected by the recent increase in ETF holdings,
but the metal still has to overcome chart resistance. Know what your talking
about - all you bleeding heart liberal's. Watch the market's to.
Judy | 8:33 a.m. June 19, 2008
I KNOW ONE THING IF THOSE TRAITORS IN WASHINGTON DON,t QUIT TYING THE HANDS OF
THE OIL COMPANIES. CHINA WILL BE RUNNING THE SHOW IN THIS COUNTRY AS WELL AS THE
REST OF THE WORLD!
obama republican | 8:55 a.m. June 19, 2008
Do any of you even know what oil shale is? It has to be baked at extremly high
temp. You end up with sludge that can be refined. If it were as simple a Bush
would have you believe big oil would have it in production now. Shell has tried
many option in colorado but it is not profitable. We need nuclear power
plants! oh yeah those crazy french socialist have 80% energy form nuclear. We
US citizen who are controlled by big oil have 20%, and can not get a new plant
opened since 1978. Do not blame democrats, BUSH had the senate and the House
for the first part of his presidency. Remember that crazy closed door energy
meeting?
Catherine | 9:09 a.m. June 19, 2008
Of course the article and Bush didn't say a word about the American people
(or any people for that matter) reducing our usage of oil or curbing our
insatiable appetites for it.
The cost of oil is more than just monetary and should be the least of our concerns if we had any moral standards about the welfare of our planet. The disconnect is that if our planet suffers, we do too since we have to live here and depend on it for our very existence.
I think it's funny that Bush is suddenly concerned about the American people and their wallets at the gas pumps when he doesn't think twice about spending billions of dollars a month on his war.
The cost of oil is more than just monetary and should be the least of our concerns if we had any moral standards about the welfare of our planet. The disconnect is that if our planet suffers, we do too since we have to live here and depend on it for our very existence.
I think it's funny that Bush is suddenly concerned about the American people and their wallets at the gas pumps when he doesn't think twice about spending billions of dollars a month on his war.
suzyk | 9:21 a.m. June 19, 2008
To michaelh: Bravo and ditto to everything you said. You are a wise man. To
GWB: it's amazing how you can sit and judge President Bush. Your vision is
very narrow with the comments you made. Pres. Bush has done a remarkable job
especially having to battle the pathetic Democrats and you have no clue as to
the pressures, media,etc. he has to deal with every day. I can only hope we can
elect a President who has his wisdom, love of God and love of his country and
its citizens. One who is proud to salute our military, has respect and love for
the American flag and one who will recite the Pledge of Allegiance with respect
and honor. It will be a great loss to our country when President George W.
Bush's time comes. He is a man of Integrity. The First Lady Laura Bush is
a remarkable, caring and gentle hearted woman who has represented our country
with love and respect. She and Pres. Bush have always been kind to those who
work with them, respected them and have done absolutely everything they could
for the citizens of the United States of America.
ME | 9:22 a.m. June 19, 2008
Hey Liberal Larry, $95/ barrel for oil shale vs. 140 for crude????? You do
the math.
Chuck | 9:35 a.m. June 19, 2008
It is time to stop saying what we can not do, but what we can. We need to take
the spirit we had develop the Atomic bomb, or put men on the moon, and do it for
our oil independence.Set a date and put resources to solving the opportunity, no
more talk, take action.
We can develop the oil shale, we can start today and private industry will do it for the profit that is there and the security of the raw material that is in the US, not another country.
So let roll!
We can develop the oil shale, we can start today and private industry will do it for the profit that is there and the security of the raw material that is in the US, not another country.
So let roll!
GO CANNON! | 9:37 a.m. June 19, 2008
It's great to see my Congressman take the lead on such an important issue.
Democrat speaking up | 9:37 a.m. June 19, 2008
Hey all you Republican, conservative, neocon pundits out there. I'm a
Democrat and proud of it. Also, for your information, I'm more
conservative than most on this forum (except for the idiot neocons, who of
course have gone over the edge of rationality or any sensibility...). They call
us 'Blue Dog' Democrats!
YES! I'm for going after all that oil shale here in Utah, but unlike the neocon idiots, not at the expense of future generations and ruining the land and water supply in the process of doing it.
There is however another point that we Blue Dog Dems want to point out... since we are the 'Real' fiscal conservatives out there, we'd like to see how the math supports BOTH the economic viability AND long-term ecological sustainability for extracting oil from shale... including it's impact on the Green River water shed. Even the CEO of Exxon recently stated that regardless of the whoopla and hoorah the math for extracting oil from shale is still years away from being an economically viable option, without massive subsidies and breaks from government...
And there we go again... Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare schemes!
Need this Blue Dog Dem say anymore?
YES! I'm for going after all that oil shale here in Utah, but unlike the neocon idiots, not at the expense of future generations and ruining the land and water supply in the process of doing it.
There is however another point that we Blue Dog Dems want to point out... since we are the 'Real' fiscal conservatives out there, we'd like to see how the math supports BOTH the economic viability AND long-term ecological sustainability for extracting oil from shale... including it's impact on the Green River water shed. Even the CEO of Exxon recently stated that regardless of the whoopla and hoorah the math for extracting oil from shale is still years away from being an economically viable option, without massive subsidies and breaks from government...
And there we go again... Corporate Socialism and Corporate Welfare schemes!
Need this Blue Dog Dem say anymore?
Anonymous | 9:40 a.m. June 19, 2008
Hey when Reagan left office gas was at 1.00 a gallon. So Clinton is to blame.
Oh and by the way my phone service only cost me 15.00 a month when Reagon was in and then when Clinton left office it was at 30.00 So Clinton is to blame.
That is the dumbest assessment I have ever heard. The President is not to blame for every problem in the world.
Its like the UofU losing patients records. The President of UofU is taking the heat even though He didn't lose them. Perpetual Storage did. But because he was in charge he takes the blame. The President of the United States no matter who he is can only do so much
Oh and by the way my phone service only cost me 15.00 a month when Reagon was in and then when Clinton left office it was at 30.00 So Clinton is to blame.
That is the dumbest assessment I have ever heard. The President is not to blame for every problem in the world.
Its like the UofU losing patients records. The President of UofU is taking the heat even though He didn't lose them. Perpetual Storage did. But because he was in charge he takes the blame. The President of the United States no matter who he is can only do so much
what? | 9:43 a.m. June 19, 2008
I see all these comments blaming Bush and the republican congress for the price
of gas, etc....Uhm...thats bull. The democratic congress has had control for a
while now, and thats when prices really started to soar. Just remember,
Liberal's would sacrifice the needs of many to appease the few who complain
(see Gay's, Environmentalists, etc). Plus they wanna raise taxes on top of
all the crap thats going on. Wake up people
wah wah wah | 9:44 a.m. June 19, 2008
I'm a lazy american, i can't drive my suv two blocks to the store
without complaining about the price of my gasoline, wah, wah, wah.
To Snake Oil (Shale) | 9:49 a.m. June 19, 2008
Much of the gasoline we put in our tanks here in Utah comes from the Canadian
tar sands. Guess what, it takes huge natural gas plants and plenty of water to
extract that as well. It didn't stop the Canadians. It is sad to see
Americans have such defeatist attitudes. If we can build pipelines to ship oil
across the U.S., then we can build pipelines to move water around. I think a lot
of excuse making is going on right now, and it won't be long before the
naysayers are sidelined. Eventually ANWAR will be drilled because America will
be so desperate for oil resources, and it will be because the environmental
lobby was unwilling to compromise in other areas.
To: Snake Oil Shale | 9:51 a.m. June 19, 2008
Shell Oil has developed new technology that allows them to superheat the oil while it's still in the earth and then pump it up. Thereby not using 'enormous coal fired plants and huge amounts of water', and they are piloting this process in Colorado now.
Check it out. Get informed!
Another View | 9:51 a.m. June 19, 2008
I agree with you on Laura Bush, but can't quite accept your theory on GW.
He got us into a war in the middle east that at this time has no end (while we
lose hundreds of our military men and women). With this has come an increase in
the cost of energy and conversely food. I don't think that you can blame
the Demo's for this great travesty. When GW came into the Presidency we
didn't have a deficit and the country was on the right track. It has all
gone down the toilet since his first inauguration. It will be great to have
someone come into office that does not have the big ties to the big oil
companies and maybe we will see that we need to do something different in this
country and lead by example.
TO: GWB | 9:57 a.m. June 19, 2008
Congress holds the financial reigns. Get a constitution lesson.
poor fools | 9:59 a.m. June 19, 2008
Extraction of oil from shale is expensive, no oil company is going to sell oil
from shale at an American discount. It will sell at world market price or it
won't sell at all.
Pump oil from ANWR? Americans won't receive a special discount for "American" oil, it will sell at market price. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates new oil from ANWR would lower the world market price between $1.44 & $.41
per barrel. The Saudi's can offset that as they please.
Is there a benefit to more drilling & development of shale oil? You bet, but it's a small piece of a complicated puzzle.
Pump oil from ANWR? Americans won't receive a special discount for "American" oil, it will sell at market price. The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates new oil from ANWR would lower the world market price between $1.44 & $.41
per barrel. The Saudi's can offset that as they please.
Is there a benefit to more drilling & development of shale oil? You bet, but it's a small piece of a complicated puzzle.
To Liberal Larry | 9:59 a.m. June 19, 2008
I have never seen such a high figure for oil shale. The last estimates I
encountered were between $45-$55 per barrel and that included the energy costs
for extraction. People are just hyping up the price of oil shale extraction to
make it look like it's not viable.
Just like they are saying that we shouldn't drill for more oil because it won't come online for 5-10 years. Do people really think that alternative forms of energy are going to come online in fewer than 5 years? We need a sensible energy policy that combines conservation, alternative energy and more domestic oil production to fill the gap until alternative energy becomes more mainstream which will take decades.
Just like they are saying that we shouldn't drill for more oil because it won't come online for 5-10 years. Do people really think that alternative forms of energy are going to come online in fewer than 5 years? We need a sensible energy policy that combines conservation, alternative energy and more domestic oil production to fill the gap until alternative energy becomes more mainstream which will take decades.
To: Anonymous | 9:59 a.m. June 19, 2008
Good point. And look at what's happened since the Dem-os have taken over congress since 2003.
To: Please Think | 10:01 a.m. June 19, 2008
Any alternatives to oil are YEARS away. Even if we had a hydrogen car tomorrow, where are you going to fill it up???
We need oil TODAY!!! And will for years to come.
Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.
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