Comments about ‘Gay couples in Utah urged not to sue’

This is a serious question, so please only serious answers:

Why would a gay couple want to be married when "marriage" (at its roots) is a religious union that takes place between a man and a woman?

Instead, why wouldn't they seek a "civil union" that would grant similar rights that marriage does, without the religious overtones? Because let's face it, not many gay couples are being married by religious leaders, so why call it "marriage".

Call me shallow, but I would be much happier if gays entered "civil unions" rather than marriages.

This whole topic is unfortunate.

When has urging someone not to sue worked? What about the church in New Jersey that lost its tax exemption status because they refused to allow a gay ceremony in front of its building. Not IN its building. In FRONT of it. (Granted, they did charge a fee to allow people to use the front of their building) How about the New Mexican wedding photographer that has to pay thousands in legal fees because she refused to photograph a gay ceremony?
How soon will it be until the LDS church is sued for not allowing gay ceremonies in its chapels and Temples? I don't worry about the church loosing its tax exempt status as it does not charge a fee for temple or chapel weddings, unless somehow the being a full tithe payer to qualify for a temple recommend can be brought into play)

For a group of people that claim to love diversity and differences, the gay community sure is quick to sue those who they disagree with. Please respect the differences of others and honor the request of this congressman.
(NOTE: No bashing occured in this comment. Count how many times I will be accused of bashing.)

Times change, people. The question is, will you become a dinosaur with outdated views?

To the first. The whole thing is to distroy what marrage is. To distroy what a family is. Once you do that you then change completly what a society is and what it stands for. We will move from "One Nation under God" To a nation with out God. As they said their tactic is very clear and they are smart and determind.
You look at history of fallon nations such as Rome. When it lost its moral base it started down the decline. Did it happen all at once. No. Those who sought power were patiant. Once infedelity in marrage was common. Then it became easier to start all the socialist programs and intitalments every one thought they deserved. I know everyone is going to say I'm wrong, but I'm not you just have to study it yourself.

Congratulations to those who are now able to marry in California. Marriage is about love and commitment - those couples who have shown love and commitment to one another for decades, waiting for the time when they could legally marry one another are an inspiration. They have endured more in the name of love than the vast majority of heterosexuals (including me) could even imagine. May love live long and prosper - no matter the gender of those who are in love. It's my firm belief that love makes the world a better place. Come on people, rejoice in the love! Don't hate on it! If marriage and love is so wonderful (which I believe it is) then why on earth would you want - or feel entitled - to deprive others of knowing its joy???

Also, might I remind those who are so "disgusted" by the California court's ruling - it was not so many decades ago that people became irate when anti-miscegenation laws (laws banning interracial marriage) were taken off the books.

You know, the religious right has no one to blame but themselves. The instant that they combined church and state by giving legal privileges to married couples, they opened up this debate. If church and state were truly kept separate, this would not be an issue. All the judgmental moral monitors can choke on it.

The Constitution, not the Bible, is the document that we are all bound to. For example, a muslim is not bound to the Bible, he or she is bound to the Koran Not everyone is Catholic or Christian. It's great that you feel so strongly about your religion, but it is not your right to impose your religious views on others. This is not about religious recognition of a union, it is about legal recognition; Equal recognition as Straight couples and we all know by now the SEPERATE institutions (civil union advocates) is NOT equal!
guess what, I don't read the Bible, I don't believe in it, I don't care what it says. And I don't have to because we DO NOT LIVE IN A THEOCRACY. We make our laws according to the Constitution, not a religious book.

For those who are opposed: Do you believe in the freedom of religion in this country? If so, then who are you to push your religious beliefs on others? Who are you to say that YOUR RELIGION should govern our country more so than another? I have yet to hear a ligitimate reason NOT BASED IN RELGION that says we shouldn't allow this. PLEASE someone give me a reason?

The U.S. Supreme Court will eventually rule in favor of gay marriage. Considering how badly Republicans have screwed up, the Democrats will be occupying the White House and running Congress for the next twelve years. That will be enough time for them to get control of the Supreme Court.

Unfortunately, a Supreme Court that's liberal enough to rule in favor of gay marriage will be liberal enough to rule against gun ownership, and Americans should be far more worried about that than these silly fears about "gay marriage destroying the marriages of straight couples".

This issue will be THE issue in our nation's history. Do you realize what is at stake with how our courts rule (and how we vote) over the next few years as gay marriage is pushed through the states?

Among other things, BYU could lose it's tax exempt status if it discriminates too much on admissions (meaning, refusing to allow a gay couple to attend).

LDS college students (especially those at BYU) could lose their federal Pell Grants and federally backed student loans and professors could lose their grant money.

The LDS Church could lose its tax exempt status for not recognizing a gay couple's constitutional marriage. Because what if they convert to the LDS Church after they get married? Are they supposed to divorce before they get baptized or just never make it to the temple?

Tax deductions for charitable contributions could be nixed.

Regardless, the federal government has wide powers on tax enforcement laws including power to arrest for non-compliance to federal laws.

This is the big time, people.

Soon to follow....

California to allow Gay divorce...

Homosexual couples wish for marriage because "separate but equal" is not actually equal.

All of this is terrible. It is NOT Natural or Normal for a "marriage". A marriage is between a man and a woman ONLY. If this McCoy is so for it, well he should go and be a senator in California! And if it ever is considered to become legalized here in the state where I live I would do everything to prevent it. The last thing I would want is for my children to even think that all this nonsense is CORRECT or NORMAL. And if the schools ever starting to talk about it or teach such a immoral practice I would pull them out so fast!

I can wrap my mind around the Civil Union concept. However Marriage Is Between A Man and A Women. Hopefully that are in Love with each other. Marriage is the only way to have Moral Heterosexual Sex. Some people wait a large part of their lives in order to properly marry and fulfill their 1st Estate. Most Homosexuals believe in God. A persons Sexual Desires and Attractions do not interfere with their belief in God. Religion is a different issue, then a belief in God. I believed in God, long before I joined any Church and Decades before joining the LDS Church. Homosexuals are Married by Clergy all the time. Many Faith Groups are very tolerant and accepting of Homosexuals. Some Homosexuals are Clergy both male and female. Right now speed seems to be a vital concern. If I was invited to a Civil Union, I would attend, a Marriage not so much because it goes against a core belief. However I would still be friends, fellow worker etc. Plus my kids would play with their Kids. Many Homosexuals have Kids. Natural, Adopted, Step, Foster, etc. I know two nice ladies who adopted a little girl from China.

Re: Gus

As strange as it may seem, many Gays do want to get married in a church with all the religious overtones.

Why? Because Gays want acceptance. Gays do not want to be seen as deviants or weirdos.

Gays consider the "marriage versus civil union" argument in the same vein as the "separate but equal" argument whites used during the 40s, 50s and 60s to justify separating blacks from whites.

To Gays, "separate but equal" is NOT equal. That is why many despise Civil Unions.

Because of the Equal Protection clause in the U.S. Constitution I believe all states, including Utah, will eventually be forced to accept gay marriage.

Amendment XIV states:

... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Equal protection means that governments, whether Federal, State or local cannot treat you any differently than your neighbors. That's why I believe the U.S. Supreme court will eventually interpret equal protection to mean gays can marry.

The true purpose of homosexual "marriage" isn't marriage per se (since you can't change the nature of the thing) but in using it as a legal stepping-stone to criminalize vocal dissent from it, by engaging the so-called "hate-speech" codes against those who would teach that homosexual conduct is unacceptable to God. They've already pulled this in Canada, and, to a lesser degree, Massachusetts, and are seeking to criminalize any public expression of Christianity.

That's what's at stake here.

If I was a Homosexual in Utah or Idaho, I would stay in the Closet. Homosexual Bashing as repugnant as it is, remains a hobby among some people. No one knows what two people who live together do in private, and some keep it that way. Many Heterosexuals do the same, its called modesty and good social behavior.

I wasn't aware of those instances in New Mexico and New Jersey. Thanks for the information.

A band I liked as a teenager had a song with the line, "The world has turned and left me here." That's what I feel like. The world has turned--away from sanity--and has left the majority wondering what is happening and what will happen next.

When I say "majority," I'm referring to every time U.S. states, including California, have voted on so-called gay marriage. Has any state approved it by vote of the people? Not that I'm aware (maybe Vermont, but I'm too lazy to check).

This goes back to activist judges nominated for life, which points out again the importance of electing John McCain.

Eye Dee Ten Tee: I did not see any bashing; just a little ignorance and faulty logic.

The gay community may sue to gain/maintain/protect civil rights. A lawsuit does not mean that they don't respect diversity. A lawsuit does not attempt to get others to agree. A lawsuit IS an attempt to right a perceived wrong. But the plaintiff has the burden of proof: the plaintiff must convince the court that s/he has not been treated fairly.

Will the LDS ever be sued to allow gay marriage? Maybe. But it would be a difficult case to prove because the church is a private organization.

We must not accept this practice of gay union at any cost.