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Utah Utes, BYU football: Utes, Cougars ranked among top 20 in preseason poll

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little confused... | 7:35 a.m. June 19, 2008

ok... I seriously doubt the Utes are going to do anything in their season, and the cougars are appearing to have the biggest shot at busting the BCS this year. I would expect BYU to be ranked in the top fifteen with their far superior offense, defense, and well, special teams, too.

Talk is cheap | 7:35 a.m. June 19, 2008

Utah fans can squawk all they want about Bronco's cumbaya sessions, about his being "Fully Invested", and his "Quest for Perfection", but, what they can't dispute is Bronco's success in rebuilding the BYU football program.

The dramatic improvement from the 3 losing seasons immediately preceding Bronco taking over the reins:

5-6, 5-6, 5-7 (15-19, 44%, no MWC championships)

to Bronco's first 3 seasons

6-6, 11-2, 11-2 (28-10, 74%, 2 MWC championships)

is indisputable.

After back-to-back top 20 finishes, and with most of their key offensive players returning, no objective fan can seriously question the legitimacy of BYU being included in pre-season top 25 lists.

Compare Bronco's record with Kyle's,

before:

5-6, 10-2, 12-0 (27-8, 77%, 2 MWC championships)

after:

7-5, 8-5, 9-4 (24-14, 63%, no MWC championships)

and it's easy to see why an objective fan could question the legitimacy of Utah being included in pre-season top 25 lists.

I think both teams are legitimate top 25 teams. BYU should be about 15th in the polls. Utah should be lower in the polls, around 23rd, until they've proven that they can win more consistently throughtout the entire season.

Last year? | 7:41 a.m. June 19, 2008

This isnï¿½t last years rankings by chance is it? ND at 19? Seeing as the yewtah being ranked ahead of BYU fact has already been beat to death, I see no comment necessary, but honestly do they pay this Steele guy?

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Re: Reality Check | 8:01 a.m. June 19, 2008

Great trash talk, dude. Predict a Ute loss to Weber St. as if it has already happened. Then follow it up by saying all of the things you won't have a chance to say because Utah will not lose to Weber.

More likely to lose to a D1AA team this year is BYU. Kewg fans keep mentioning 'how tough' they are, and they were ranked last year. BYU could very possibly come out taking them lightly, then, BAM! Right in the kisser. Panthers 35 - Kewgars 32

Zoobie 56 | 8:13 a.m. June 19, 2008

RE: Michigan

Michigan by 27? That's exactly the kind of thinking the Utes hope your team has. I'm a BYU fan, but Utah will be returning many good athletes from a year ago. Michigan should win being at home, but you'd better not take Utah lightly.

Re: Typical AF QB | 9:08 a.m. June 19, 2008

"Don't take Washington too lightly. We've got possibly the #1 QB in the nation. Jake Locker, YES.... YOU WILL BE REMEMBERING HIS NAME! He is the best passing and running QB in Husky history."

Running QB, yes.
Passing QB, maybe. A low completion percentage, less than 200 yds/g, and more interceptions than TDs belies the great passing quarterback claim.

Jake has the stats of a below average Air Force QB, great runner, below average passer.

Jake Locker
Washington (4-9)
QB Rating 62.8
Pass 155/328 47.3%, 2062 Yds, 171.8 Yds/G,
14 TD, 15 Int
Rush 172 for 986 Yds, 82.2 Yds/G,
13 TD, 18 Sacks

Max Hall
Brigham Young (11-2)
QB Rating 91.9
Pass 298/496 60.1%, 3848 Yds, 296 Yds/G,
26 TD, 12 Int
Rush 52 for 14 Yds, 1.1 Yds/G,
1 TD, 20 Sacks

Where else | 9:15 a.m. June 19, 2008

Is Utah in any other polls?

Anonymous | 9:29 a.m. June 19, 2008

I'm a college football fan who has had season tickets to byu football the past several years and am moving to ohio and have ohio state season tickets next year. I watch football religiously and I've never heard of Phil Steele and have no idea how he gets off puting Utah ahead of BYU especially when BYU is bringing its entire offense back and are going to be even better because Hall has a year under his belt and BYU quarterbacks historically get better and better each year. What a laugh!

andrewute1 | 9:39 a.m. June 19, 2008

Wow I cant believe how much trash byu fans are talking. What goes around comes around fella's. Phil Steel's magazine is legit, some guy earlier was acting like who is South Florida, if you knew college football you would know they were ranked in the top ten most of last year and ranked 2nd at a time. Yes notre dame was bad last year, but i would not be suprised if they turned it around this year. The past two seasons they have had one of the top recruiting classes in the nation, and last year everyone was young. They have the potential to be good. If the magazine is right with these rankings, every coug can slap themselves in the face with all your stupid trash talk.

Utah 34 Michigan 13
Utah 56 UNLV 7
Utah 34 BYU 21

Chalk that down!

GO UTES!!

Locker vs AF QB? | 9:43 a.m. June 19, 2008

Please do not confuse any QB performance in the MWC with Locker's in the PAC 10. Both, UCLA and Washington will field much improved teams than took the field last season.

BYU will be extremely lucky to be 2-1 after the first three games!! and some of games gets even harderin the stretch. The sucess of the BYU season depends on quickly developing the outside pass rush and cover corners/Dbacks. The cougars have the talent to win'em all, if they can just get the right combination of the field from the start.

ranking means nothing | 9:46 a.m. June 19, 2008

First of all, polls such as SI and USAToday as well as the AP coaches poll are the only ones anyone pays attention to. Secondly, pre-season rakings are bogus. Notre Dame was ranking high a couple of years ago in the preseason and ended up with a losing record that year with no bowl game.I guess its nice to be recognized but these pre-season polls are just wild guesses at best.

Posers | 9:50 a.m. June 19, 2008

If you have never heard of Phil Steele you can't call yourself a college football fan. He is the most accurate and respected football analysts in the nation

Anonymous @ 9:29 | 9:53 a.m. June 19, 2008

You must not be faithful in your "religion of College Football" Because Phil Steele has been around for a while and produces a prominent college/pro football preview!!!!!

Phil Steele's 2007 Preseason 25 | 9:56 a.m. June 19, 2008

Phil Steeleï¿½s 2007 Preseason Top 25
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
4. West Virginia
5. Michigan
6. Texas
7. Louisville
8. Florida State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Penn State
11. Georgia
12. Hawaii
13. South Carolina
14. Florida
15. Ohio State
16. Wisconsin
17. Alabama
18. Oregon
19. Missouri
20. Texas A&M
21. UCLA
22. Nebraska
23. TCU
24. South Florida
25. Tennessee

Here are the 2008 Final polls. He's pretty accurate if you ask me.
AP
1. LSU (60)
2. Georgia (3)
3. USC (1)
4. Missouri
5. Ohio State
6. West Virginia
7. Kansas
8. Oklahoma
9. Virginia Tech
10. Texas
10. Boston College
12. Tennessee
13. Florida
14. Brigham Young
15. Auburn
16. Arizona State
17. Cincinnati
18. Michigan
19. Hawaii
20. Illinois
21. Clemson
22. Texas Tech
23. Oregon
24. Wisconsin
25. Oregon State

Anonymous | 10:02 a.m. June 19, 2008

long livfer uwte fan here. I luv my utwts but thet is just to kinde of Phil. here is to dreeming thogh. go uwtes!!!11!

2008 College Football Preseason | 10:04 a.m. June 19, 2008

A look at the early projections for 2008.

Gregory Cox of TheFootballExpert.com has compiled top 25 polls from The Sporting News (Matt Hayes), Rivals.com, ESPN (Mark Schlabach), CNN/SI (Stewart Mandel), and College Football News. Once a team is mentioned, they are in. If they are not included in someone elseï¿½s poll, he gives them a rank of 30 and then averages out the results.

19 teams, including BYU, were listed by all five sources.

#1 Georgia
#2 Oklahoma
#3 USC
#4 Ohio State
#5 Missouri
#6 Florida
#7 LSU
#8 West Virginia
#9 Texas
#10 Wisconsin

#17 BYU: High (12) Low (22) Average (17.40): This is your BCS buster out of the Mountain West. If they can handle a pair of Pac-10 teams (at Washington. vs. UCLA) in their OOC they might go undefeated.

#24 Michigan
#27 Fresno State
#32 Oregon State

No mention of Utah. :(

or Notre Dame.

hmmm, also, no mention of Steeleï¿½s ï¿½most highly respectedï¿½ preseason poll.

Rankings | 10:11 a.m. June 19, 2008

This whole poll is a joke. I love BYU and I hope the U does well, but looking at where all the teams are ranked on this poll I can't take this guy seriously. Let's at least wait till the first kick before we make reservations for the BCS.

Not so Accurate | 10:48 a.m. June 19, 2008

So Steele only missed 10 of the 25 teams from his preseason poll:

7. Kansas
10. Boston College
14. Brigham Young
15. Auburn
16. Arizona State
17. Cincinnati
20. Illinois
21. Clemson
22. Texas Tech
25. Oregon State

but, he included

8. Florida State (7-6, bust)
10. Penn State (9-4, fair)
22. Nebraska (5-7, bust)

Re: Not So Accurate | 11:54 a.m. June 19, 2008

Look at the AP's preseason poll and postseason poll from last year.

AP Preseason
1. USC
2. LSU
3. West Virginia
4. Texas
5. Michigan
6. Florida
7. Wisconsin
8. Oklahoma
9. Virginia Tech
10. Louisville **
11. Ohio State
12. California **
13. Georgia
14. UCLA **
15. Tennessee
16. Rutgers **
17. Penn State **
18. Auburn
19. Florida State **
20. Nebraska **
21. Arkansas **
22. TCU **
23. Hawaii
24. Boise State **
25. Texas A&M **

** (Didnt finish in top 25)

If you're the expert in Preseason rankings why dont you post your Top 25 and we'll compare yours to Steele's at season's end. Sound Fair?

Re: Locker | 12:07 p.m. June 19, 2008

"Please do not confuse any QB performance in the MWC with Locker's in the PAC 10."

A good passing QB, whether in the PAC 10, MWC, SEC, or any other conference should have at least 60% pass completions, 200+ yds/gm, and a 2-1 Touchdowns to Interceptions ratio.

Locker may be dangerous as a runner playing quarterback, but his credentials as a passer, based on his first season, are highly suspect.

A 62.8 QB rating won't even get Locker into the top 50 in QB rating, and certainly won't have many football fans around the country declaring him to be the #1 quarterback.

It sounds to me like BYU will be preparing for an Air Force style triple-option attack early this coming season.

3 returning starters? | 12:21 p.m. June 19, 2008

Only 3 returning starters on Defense! That is why he put Utah ahead of byu.

Byu had the #1 Defense last year and still lost 2 games and could have lost the UCLA/TCU/Utah games and could have had 5 losses! They only had 2, but with only 3 returning starters on the defense are they going to outscore their oppenents? Probably not, see: tulsa '07 and TCU '05! 50+points and a still lose!

Byu struggles when they face good defenses like UCLA, which held them to 17 points twice, Utah which held them to 17 points, and Arizona which held them to 20! Basically that "great offense" can and has been stopped!

Byu's defense won them those games but this year when they only have 3 coming back, and one injury away from losing one of them, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THAT IS WHY PHIL STEELE PUT UTAH AHEAD OF THEM!

Utah has 16 of 22 starters coming back on their team and 17/22 if Casteel is counted. They the best special teams in the conference and probably the country.

Re: andrewute1 | 12:28 p.m. June 19, 2008

"Utah 34 Michigan 13
Utah 56 UNLV 7
Utah 34 BYU 21

Chalk that down!"

Please don't bet the rent money on your predictions. Caring BYU fans don't want to see you homeless after the season.

CONSENSUS | 12:54 p.m. June 19, 2008

From 15 different preseason polls, including AJC ATH CBS CFN CSTV DST ESPN Lnds NC PS Rvls SP SN SI SFS, found on the lsufootball.net site:

1 Ohio State
2 Georgia
3 USC
4 Oklahoma
5 Florida
6 Missouri
7 West Virginia
8 LSU
9 Clemson
10 Texas
11 Auburn
12 Wisconsin
13 Kansas
14 Texas Tech
15 BYU
16 Illinois
17 Arizona State
18 Virginia Tech
19 Tennessee
20 Penn State
21 Oregon
22 South Florida
23 Wake Forest
24 Pittsburgh
25 Fresno State
26 Alabama
27 Michigan State
28 South Carolina
29 Florida State
30 California
30 Oregon State
32 Boise State
32 Cincinnati

Some of the 15 are minor polls, but hey, this is all about the debate, right?

Re; returning starters | 1:11 p.m. June 19, 2008

"BYU had the #1 Defense last year and still lost 2 games and could have lost the UCLA/TCU/utah games and could have had 5 losses!"

BYU also "could have" gone undefeated!!! A couple of breaks in BYU's favor in each game "could have" given BYU a win in both games they lost.

In hindsight, the only thing that counts is what they actually did, which is 11-2, back-to-back MWC championships, and another bowl win.

Phil Steele is welcome to his opinion, but he's way out of sync with the concensus of most of the other preseason polls that have BYU ranked around 15th, and Utah and Notre Dame not listed.

Personnally, I think Utah should be in the top 25, somewhere between 20 and 25.

Jamie Hill will have BYU's defense well prepared with players who, although they didn't start last year, had significant game experience as backups.

Re: Re returning starters | 2:21 p.m. June 19, 2008

"and another bowl win"? hah you kidding me? They lost like 6 in a row. BYU sucks in post season. That's why all the best out of state players (non-mormon) go to Utah.

OBCD | 2:28 p.m. June 19, 2008

Any preseason ranking that has Georgia behind South Florida (not Florida, but South Florida) has to be ignored.

Re: OBCD | 3:23 p.m. June 19, 2008

No kidding. USF only climbed as high as the top 5 last year, who is this Phil guy kidding?

USU | 3:35 p.m. June 19, 2008

USU should be up there I think.

Re: OBCD | 3:49 p.m. June 19, 2008

How ignorant are you? Do you not remember in the carousel of #2's last year that South Florida was one of those teams? Remember this name: Matt Grothe. He is the QB. He passed for over 2600 yards and rushed for nearly 900. If it wasn't for being sacked a few times he would have been over a thousand yards. This team has only been playing D1 ball since 2000 and they are already competetively playing in a BCS conference and S. Florida (yes, not the Gators) could be contending for a National Title this year. I am a Utes fan. I can only dream of a day when teams from this region will be given the same shot.

P.S. Where did I get the background information? PHIL STEELE's Magazine. I provided my opinions, the mag provided the facts.

Re: Utah's bowl record | 3:56 p.m. June 19, 2008

Utah couldn't even qualify for a bowl until the bowl system became so watered down that half of the Division 1A teams were able to bowling.

Utah bowls:

Pre-1992 -- 2 bowls (1939, 1964); Utah went 28 years in a row (from 1964 to 1992) without even going to a bowl; they only went to 2 bowls in their first 100 years of football.

1992-2007 -- 11 bowls, almost all of them against unranked opponents:

Bowl -- Final Record -- Opponent
Sun -- (6-1) -- New Mexico
Liberty -- (9-2) -- West Virginia
Copper -- (6-6) -- Washington St.
Freedom -- (7-6) -- USC
Freedom -- (10-2) -- Arizona
Copper -- (8-4) -- Wisconsin
Las Vegas -- (9-3) -- Fresno State
Las Vegas -- (8-4) -- USC
Liberty -- (10-2) -- Southern Miss
Fiesta -- (12-0) -- Pittsburgh
Emerald -- (7-5) -- Georgia Tech
Armed Forces -- (8-5) -- Tulsa
Poinsettia -- (9-4) -- Navy

I doubt many recruits are beating down Kyle's door for the chance to play in a minor bowl as a runner-up in the MWC.

RE: Ignorance | 4:00 p.m. June 19, 2008

I agree with your comment to some extent, but it doesn't fully hold up. Keep in mind that before this last season, BYU lost John Beck, Cameron Jensen, Curtis Brown, and Jonny Harline to name a few.

Phil Steele | 4:19 p.m. June 19, 2008

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. ewe-bies will have something to grin about until kick off time.

Re: re: Utah's Bowl Record | 4:22 p.m. June 19, 2008

Your argument is poor at best. Who cares how many bowls a team goes to if they don't win at least the majority of the ones (no matter how crappy a bowl it is) they get invited to? BYU is a great football school. There is no doubt about that. I am a Utes fan and I wish Utah had the same regular season success as BYU has had in the last 30 years. However, I would still rather have Utah's bowl record. What is the point of getting as far as you can go and not winning it all? I loved Lavell Edwards (how can you not) but BYU's yearly tradition was win the WAC, which he did many times, and get clobbered in the Holiday Bowl. It is frustrating be a fan in this state. I am also a very dissapointed Jazz fan (twenty years of my life cheering for one ring).

Anonymous | 4:27 p.m. June 19, 2008

And they have Notr Dame 19th yea this poll is accurate. NOT

re: re: re: Utah's Bowl Record | 4:30 p.m. June 19, 2008

"I doubt many recruits are beating down Kyle's door for the chance to play in a minor bowl as a runner-up in the MWC." BYU has been the winner of the MWC two years running to play for the right to play in the prestigious Las Vegas Bowl against the fifth place Pac-10 team. NOBODY is beating down anybody's door to play in this conference. BYU did not do this conference any favors by BARELY beating a crappy UCLA team whom UTAH CRUSHED earlier in the year. In this conference UTAH, BYU, and TCU need to be solid to give credibility to this region.

Krewgar's.... | 5:11 p.m. June 19, 2008

Before any krewgars make any bias opinions about why the Ute's shouldn't be ranked 14th in the country, go to Phil Steele's website and read his email and answer section. There Krewgar fan's, you will find out the answer why the Ute's are ranked ahead of the Krewgars.

Lets get 'em UTAH!!! BCS here we come!!!

Re: Utah's bowl record | 5:39 p.m. June 19, 2008

It's funny you should mention that Utah only started going to bowl games regularly after the system got watered down. Last I checked, BYU's bowl record since bowl games became 'watered down' is 4-7-1, Utah's is 8-3.

Even when everyone and their dog is going bowling, BYU STILL has an awful bowl record!

Auburns Turn? | 5:44 p.m. June 19, 2008

Hey confused. Neither the U or Y will do much with their Mickey mouse schedules playing in a 2nd rate conference.

Why is it so important that BYU bust the BCS? the Utes, Hawaii, & Boise have already done it.

The last 2 BCS winners have come from the only conference that really matters.

Snipe | 6:29 p.m. June 19, 2008

SCOREBOARD!

Bowl Records | 6:33 p.m. June 19, 2008

"Who cares how many bowls a team goes to if they don't win at least the majority of the ones (no matter how crappy a bowl it is) they get invited to?"

Bowl games used to be a reward for having a great season.

BYU 1963-1991 (5-10-1):

1974*Fiesta Bowl*L*Oklahoma State*6-16
1976*Tangerine Bowl*L*Oklahoma State*21-49
1978*Holiday Bowl*L*Navy*16-23
1979*Holiday Bowl*L*Indiana*37-38
*1980*Holiday Bowl*W*SMU*46-45
1981*Holiday Bowl*W*Washington State*38-36
1982*Holiday Bowl*L*Ohio State*17-47
*1983*Holiday Bowl*W*Missouri*21-17
*1984*Holiday Bowl*W*Michigan*24-17
*1985*Citrus Bowl*L*Ohio State*7-10
1986*Freedom Bowl*L*UCLA*10-31
1987*All-American Bowl*L*Virginia*16-22
1988*Freedom Bowl*W*Colorado*20-17
1989*Holiday Bowl*L*Penn State*39-50
1990*Holiday Bowl*L*Texas A&M*14-65
1991*Holiday Bowl*T*Iowa 13-13

*Games I attended in person

Utah 1963-1991 (0-0-0):
none

As a BYU fan it was so much more fun watching Jim McMahon leading BYU to their Miracle Bowl finish, watching Steve Young CATCH the winning touchdown pass against Missouri, and watching Robbie Bosco on a gimpy knee lead BYU to a National Championship.

Even some of the losses, to Oklahoma State (1974), Navy (1978), Indiana (1979), and Ohio State (1985), were exciting and memorable.

Watching my team play in 16 bowl games, win or lose, was head and shoulders above staying home in December watching someone else's teams play.

Re: Bowl Records | 7:06 p.m. June 19, 2008

Nobody is arguing which is more fun: watching your team in a bowl game or not watching your team in a bowl game.

It says a lot about BYU's program that they could win the WAC so frequently but lose bowl games so frequently too. That is why BYU has the reputation of being a paper tiger; their records during the 70s and 80s looked far more impressive than the teams actually were thanks to playing a bunch of creampuffs. It's also one of the many reasons nobody likes BYU, they would inflate their record in a weak conference and say "why can't we get any respect?"

YOU HAVE TO EARN IT! And losing to AZ, Tulsa, BC, and UCLA won't give you any.

FYI: Since 2003 Utah is 10-4 against BCS teams, BYU is 5-11 during that same time.

re: Bowl Records | 7:19 p.m. June 19, 2008

Hey, congrats on what BYU accomplished in 1920? Possibly you should live in the now.... But if we are going back...we all who know leads the series, and we all know who has the better winning percentage in bowl games. Maybe you should g back t the 1974 Fiesta bowl, sounds like that was a real treat of a game...but hey at least you can be proud.

Re: Now | 8:11 p.m. June 19, 2008

"Hey, congrats on what BYU accomplished in 1920? Possibly you should live in the now...."

Fine!

Now...

Since Bronco and Kyle became the current head coaches:

BYU is 2-1 vs. Utah, 28-10 (6-6, 11-2, 11-2) overall, with 2 MWC Championships, 2-1 in bowls (all vs. BCS teams)

Utah is 1-2 vs. BYU, 24-14 (7-5, 8-5, 9-4) overall, with NO MWC Championships, 3-0 in bowls (only one vs. a BCS team)

...and Then

The 1974 Fiesta Bowl would have been a great game except for the Oklahoma State headhunters who intentionally knocked Gary Shiede out of the game with two very questionable blindside hits early in the game.

I'll trade the disappointment of losing the first 4 bowl games for the excitement of winning the 1980, 1983 and 1984 Holiday Bowls anyday.

For one of the biggest comebacks in NCAA bowl history, see BYU.

For one of the most dramatic game-ending plays in the NCAA tournament history, see BYU.

Both, by the way, happened during the same school year, 1980-81.

BJ | 8:53 p.m. June 19, 2008

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!! Last time I checked they don't use this poll in any way, shape, or form. Let it go.

RE: Now | 9:55 p.m. June 19, 2008

You failed to mention that Bronco has a .500 record against non-conference oppenents, but two of those games where against 1AA. If byu didn't have a "watered down" schedule he would be under .500 against non-conference teams.

Has Bronco ever won on the road against non-conference teams? That powerhouse Tulsa seams to be getting in the way. At least byu might beat Utah State and get that road win.

FYI: Since 2003 Utah is 10-4 against BCS teams, BYU is 5-11 during that same time.

AS for UNLV, Utah lost to them for the first time is 17 years! Byu on the other hand is 4-2 against them the past 6 attempts and just a few years ago byu lost at home against UNLV, at home!

By the way congrats on winning the Vegas bowl against a 6-5 team with NO Coach, NO QB, NO RB by one and being favored by 11 points. If I remember: Hall: "We need to make a statement for the BCS next year!".....right!!!

AS for the NCAA tournament: One and done, byu in 100 years hasn't gotten to the sweet 16, see BYU.

Ranked? | 10:15 p.m. June 19, 2008

Has byu ever beaten a ranked oppenent?

Utah/Kyle has two: Georgia Tech #21 and UCLA #11

Question? | 10:48 p.m. June 19, 2008

Hi, I have lived in Utah now for a few years and have really enjoyed the BYU Utah rivalry and the last two games were great. But I am wondering why BYU students are called Zoobs? I am not trying to fan the flames but am actually curious. Thanks

Rich | 10:57 p.m. June 19, 2008

Pre-season polls mean absolutely nothing. They're more inaccurate than Jeanne Dixon's predictions. However, there is one good thing about getting ranked to start the season. You actually have a chance to make the BCS at the end of the season if you win all your games. Since Utah has to play BYU in November, we know that only one team can possibly win all its games. It could be Utah; it could be BYU. Both teams have excellent coaches and often produce stunning wins even though they typically cannot recruit players as big and fast as those recruited in, say, the Big 10 or the Pac 10.
Good luck to all the Utah teams in the coming season. The better they do, and the better all the teams in their conferences do against teams from other conferences, the better chances two or more local teams will be ranked in next year's pre-season poll.

Why are | 11:37 p.m. June 19, 2008

two Mtn. WORST teams ranked in the top 25 when they haven't done anything last year. Their conference is one of the worst conferences in the nation and they play a weak pre-seaon. Someone explain.

You can't even | 11:46 p.m. June 19, 2008

tailgate at BYU!! what's up with that? YOu shouldn't be ranked if showing up 5 minutes before the game is the norm, and you can't tailgate or anything. I traveled to see the BYU USC game a couple years ago and was kinda bummed with the rules there.

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