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George Young | 7:41 p.m. June 17, 2008
I see a trend.
The Chaffetz people seem to be attacking anyone and everyone associated with Cannon. If someone defends Cannon then they get attacked.
And the Cannon people are really harping on what they perceive as inconsistencies in Chaffetz campaign.
In scoring this, when you have to attack the messenger or go for the throat that means you are losing.
Since the Chaffetz people seem more inclined to attack the messenger, Cannon people attacking the issue it seems pretty clear that Cannon is winning the debate.
I am pretty tired of the attacks myself. I guess it's campaign politics but I'd stick to the issue. Talking about what is amnesty, what kind of visa reform is needed, that is what we need. Maybe the Cannon people are being tough on Chaffetz visa proposal but at least they are sticking to the issue. The attacks on James, BBKing, Matt Throckmorton, now Dave Leavitt enough is enough.
Weeks ago it was pointed out that Leavitt was called a prostitute, Cannon an alcoholic, it just hasn't ended. But I guess this has been going on for years so quietly I will support Cannon. No one should win by smear campaigns.
The Chaffetz people seem to be attacking anyone and everyone associated with Cannon. If someone defends Cannon then they get attacked.
And the Cannon people are really harping on what they perceive as inconsistencies in Chaffetz campaign.
In scoring this, when you have to attack the messenger or go for the throat that means you are losing.
Since the Chaffetz people seem more inclined to attack the messenger, Cannon people attacking the issue it seems pretty clear that Cannon is winning the debate.
I am pretty tired of the attacks myself. I guess it's campaign politics but I'd stick to the issue. Talking about what is amnesty, what kind of visa reform is needed, that is what we need. Maybe the Cannon people are being tough on Chaffetz visa proposal but at least they are sticking to the issue. The attacks on James, BBKing, Matt Throckmorton, now Dave Leavitt enough is enough.
Weeks ago it was pointed out that Leavitt was called a prostitute, Cannon an alcoholic, it just hasn't ended. But I guess this has been going on for years so quietly I will support Cannon. No one should win by smear campaigns.
Utah Observer | 7:43 p.m. June 17, 2008
The people of Utah (like people everywhere else), over the long term, get the
government they deserve. People are complaining about Chris Cannon, so why did
you all re-elect him so many times? Why did you all not call his office when he
was making such extremest positions on illegal immigration???
Moving over to the state government, why did you all not oppose giving full drivers licenses to illegal aliens???
So in the primary contest between Cannon and Chaffetz make them respond to YOUR questions about illegal immigration and vote accordingly. Utah belongs to the people and not to the so-called political "leaders" who are only responsive to special interest groups who work behind the scenes.
Moving over to the state government, why did you all not oppose giving full drivers licenses to illegal aliens???
So in the primary contest between Cannon and Chaffetz make them respond to YOUR questions about illegal immigration and vote accordingly. Utah belongs to the people and not to the so-called political "leaders" who are only responsive to special interest groups who work behind the scenes.
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wrz | 8:00 p.m. June 17, 2008
>>"I have said for years that deportation will be the beginning of
the end for the economy."<< Joe @ 7:37
That's what they said about abolishing slavery. Then someone invented the cotton picker. Necessity, they say, is the mother of invention.
Besides, we have 5.5% unemployed. Send illegals home and we will have zero percent unemployment.
That's what they said about abolishing slavery. Then someone invented the cotton picker. Necessity, they say, is the mother of invention.
Besides, we have 5.5% unemployed. Send illegals home and we will have zero percent unemployment.
Trivia Quiz | 8:07 p.m. June 17, 2008
Please name the 9 amnesty programs that Cannon has voted for or sponsored since
being elected?
How many awards has Cannon won from open-border groups which advocate for illegal alien rights and want to end deportation?
It is widely recognized that the leader of the anti illegal immigration movement in Congress is Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado. In what year did Cannon state that Tancredo should be ousted from the Republican party for his viewpoints?
What reason does Cannon give for not joining to Congressional immigration Reform Caucus?
Which Senator does Cannon more closely align with on immigration policy: Kennedy or Dole?
Which Congressman does Cannon more closely align with on immigration policy: Nancy Pelosi or Duncan Hunter?
Can you name the African American immigration expert whom Cannon accused of being a racist when he took over a judicial committee meeting?
What percentage of Cannons contributions come from out-of state groups with an interest in lax immigration laws?
Name the bill that Cannon rammed through Congress during a time when Congress was supposed to be out of session attending a political event?
How many awards has Cannon won from open-border groups which advocate for illegal alien rights and want to end deportation?
It is widely recognized that the leader of the anti illegal immigration movement in Congress is Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado. In what year did Cannon state that Tancredo should be ousted from the Republican party for his viewpoints?
What reason does Cannon give for not joining to Congressional immigration Reform Caucus?
Which Senator does Cannon more closely align with on immigration policy: Kennedy or Dole?
Which Congressman does Cannon more closely align with on immigration policy: Nancy Pelosi or Duncan Hunter?
Can you name the African American immigration expert whom Cannon accused of being a racist when he took over a judicial committee meeting?
What percentage of Cannons contributions come from out-of state groups with an interest in lax immigration laws?
Name the bill that Cannon rammed through Congress during a time when Congress was supposed to be out of session attending a political event?
elisabeth | 8:13 p.m. June 17, 2008
The ads are created to show that Cannon is tough on Mexicans. This is to make
sure he shores up his base of racist conservative voters. Do you ever see an
ad, and I don't watch tv, so help me out on this, where politicians get
tough on American contruction companies that hires illegal labor. Or putting
the wealthy white mother of six behind bars for hiring an illegal immigrant to
clean up after her family? How about arresting you for buying food or a home
that was less expensive due to illegal labor?
BBKing | 8:22 p.m. June 17, 2008
I stand corrected! I thought I fully understood the seriousness of the Chaffez
flip-flop. I was mistaken.
I just read a post that you can. If you google a blog titled something like the truth about Jason you will see the hypocrasy of the Chaffetz camp.
I knew that the morning of the convention the Chaffetz camp issued a last minute smear on David Leavitt. I didn't know all of the details. The blog clears that up.
In short, David Leavitt offered a plan in which illegal aliens could get a temporary guest worker visa but they had to return home first. They had to pay a stiff fine, do background checks, screenings, etc
Chaffetz attacked this as amnesty!
Then barely four weeks later Chaffetz offers a very similar plan though they don't have to go home. They don't have to do background checks. No criminals checks. No health screenings. No fines. They don't even have to pay a fee.
Four weeks ago Chaffetz would have vicisously attacked Leavitt for being the King of Amnesty.
Four weeks later Chaffetz proclaims himself brilliant. Leavitt's plan was much better, and not amnesty.
Holy cow has Jason Chaffetz got to be defeated!
VoteCannon!
I just read a post that you can. If you google a blog titled something like the truth about Jason you will see the hypocrasy of the Chaffetz camp.
I knew that the morning of the convention the Chaffetz camp issued a last minute smear on David Leavitt. I didn't know all of the details. The blog clears that up.
In short, David Leavitt offered a plan in which illegal aliens could get a temporary guest worker visa but they had to return home first. They had to pay a stiff fine, do background checks, screenings, etc
Chaffetz attacked this as amnesty!
Then barely four weeks later Chaffetz offers a very similar plan though they don't have to go home. They don't have to do background checks. No criminals checks. No health screenings. No fines. They don't even have to pay a fee.
Four weeks ago Chaffetz would have vicisously attacked Leavitt for being the King of Amnesty.
Four weeks later Chaffetz proclaims himself brilliant. Leavitt's plan was much better, and not amnesty.
Holy cow has Jason Chaffetz got to be defeated!
VoteCannon!
lance sjogren | 8:35 p.m. June 17, 2008
So Chaffetz is showing confusion on this issue?
So what. Cannon is clear as a bell, and he is dead wrong, and he always has been.
He is the buddy of the Reconquistas.
Every two years he trots out his phony bs about being tough on illegal immigration. The minute the coast is clear he cozies up to his radical leftist ethnic supremacist buddies once again.
I don't know whether Chaffetz would do a good job on the immigration issue, but nobody in Congress stinks worse than Cannon on this issue. You cannot possibly go wrong voting him out of office.
He's pretty rotten on the rest of the issues too.
So what. Cannon is clear as a bell, and he is dead wrong, and he always has been.
He is the buddy of the Reconquistas.
Every two years he trots out his phony bs about being tough on illegal immigration. The minute the coast is clear he cozies up to his radical leftist ethnic supremacist buddies once again.
I don't know whether Chaffetz would do a good job on the immigration issue, but nobody in Congress stinks worse than Cannon on this issue. You cannot possibly go wrong voting him out of office.
He's pretty rotten on the rest of the issues too.
A Reader | 9:06 p.m. June 17, 2008
Dump this political amoeba, Cannon.
He will say anything to get elected. If you trust his "tought" rhetoric on border and immigration enforcement then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you may be interested in buying.
He will say anything to get elected. If you trust his "tought" rhetoric on border and immigration enforcement then I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you may be interested in buying.
Just a mom | 9:47 p.m. June 17, 2008
To Utah Observer: Actually, I have tried to ask Cannon questions, specifically
on LEGAL immigration and his positions on trying to fix the legal side of
things. I can't get him to respond and neither can my husband. I also
have concerns about his soft stance on illegal immigration (which will guarantee
that the legal stuff won't ever be fixed as long as it's so easy to
slip across our borders). No answers. I have other issues besides immigration
- in fact, it's barely in the top 5. No answers. Not only no answers, but
no contact, no form letter, no gee thanks for contacting us, but our stance is
blah blah blah . . nothing, zero, zippo, zilch.
I have also asked Chaffetz. He does talk to the "little people" like me, and spent the time to make sure all my questions were answered. BBKing is just desperate to stir the pot. talk about issues? there are lots that cannon and his supporters simply refuse to address and any time a Chaffetz supporter addresses them, they just call us names.
Well, I know how to research, and I'm not stupid. I'm voting for CHANGE and am voting for Jason.
I have also asked Chaffetz. He does talk to the "little people" like me, and spent the time to make sure all my questions were answered. BBKing is just desperate to stir the pot. talk about issues? there are lots that cannon and his supporters simply refuse to address and any time a Chaffetz supporter addresses them, they just call us names.
Well, I know how to research, and I'm not stupid. I'm voting for CHANGE and am voting for Jason.
BBking | 10:03 p.m. June 17, 2008
Just a Mom, please don't play the victim.
You completely fail to acknowledge the complete inconsistencies from the Chaffetz camp.
As another example, you are saying that Cannon is soft on immigration. Fine.
Jason and many of his supporters are now saying that Chris is only focused on the border and not visa reform.
So is Cannon soft on immigration or is he just focused on the border?
Which is it?
And you say I am stirring the pot? I am looking for a consistent answer from the Chaffetz people, that's all.
And when 10 different Chaffetz people give you 5 different answers there is a problem here.
Cannon has voted for over 1,000 miles of fence/barrier. He has voted for thousands of new border patrol agents and technology. He has supported the Utah Guard helping secure the border. And he has supported fixing the visa on numerous occasions.
So which is it? Is he just focused on the border or the visa? Which Chaffetz supporter has the real answer?
Cannon isn't the slickest, and maybe he didn't answer your phone call, sorry. At least he knows where he stands on the issues, consistently.
The Chaffetz camp really worries me.
You completely fail to acknowledge the complete inconsistencies from the Chaffetz camp.
As another example, you are saying that Cannon is soft on immigration. Fine.
Jason and many of his supporters are now saying that Chris is only focused on the border and not visa reform.
So is Cannon soft on immigration or is he just focused on the border?
Which is it?
And you say I am stirring the pot? I am looking for a consistent answer from the Chaffetz people, that's all.
And when 10 different Chaffetz people give you 5 different answers there is a problem here.
Cannon has voted for over 1,000 miles of fence/barrier. He has voted for thousands of new border patrol agents and technology. He has supported the Utah Guard helping secure the border. And he has supported fixing the visa on numerous occasions.
So which is it? Is he just focused on the border or the visa? Which Chaffetz supporter has the real answer?
Cannon isn't the slickest, and maybe he didn't answer your phone call, sorry. At least he knows where he stands on the issues, consistently.
The Chaffetz camp really worries me.
Robert H | 10:24 p.m. June 17, 2008
Apparently the censor is not allowing posts that have names other than Chaffetz
or Cannon. I respect that.
An email is being circulated the compares the guest worker visa proposed by Chaffetz with the one proposed by another high level candidate who was eliminated at convention.
The irony is that Chaffetz and his supporters launched an attack on this other candidate's proposal as being amnesty.
The other proposal required those in the country illegally to return home, go through thorough background and criminal checks, health screenings, then made them pay steep fees and fines. And they go home when the visa expires. And this was called amnesty by Jason Chaffetz 4 weeks ago!
Chaffetz has proposed an amnesty with NONE of those safeguards. And he and his supporters insist that it is NOT amnesty.
His proposal is for all 20 million illegal aliens. They don't have to return home, pass screenings for crime, health care, nothing. No fees or fines, no safeguards at all but they get a visa. And he and his supporters insist his proposal isn't amnesty.
I'm not sure what alarms me more, that he proposes no safeguards or his supporters are falling for it.
An email is being circulated the compares the guest worker visa proposed by Chaffetz with the one proposed by another high level candidate who was eliminated at convention.
The irony is that Chaffetz and his supporters launched an attack on this other candidate's proposal as being amnesty.
The other proposal required those in the country illegally to return home, go through thorough background and criminal checks, health screenings, then made them pay steep fees and fines. And they go home when the visa expires. And this was called amnesty by Jason Chaffetz 4 weeks ago!
Chaffetz has proposed an amnesty with NONE of those safeguards. And he and his supporters insist that it is NOT amnesty.
His proposal is for all 20 million illegal aliens. They don't have to return home, pass screenings for crime, health care, nothing. No fees or fines, no safeguards at all but they get a visa. And he and his supporters insist his proposal isn't amnesty.
I'm not sure what alarms me more, that he proposes no safeguards or his supporters are falling for it.
CPK | 10:26 p.m. June 17, 2008
There better not be another article about all this tomorrow! I just don't
have time to read all the comments all day, even though I can't help
myself, I just like to.
BBKing, I enjoy reading your comments and I agree with the stuff you say. Jason's people are just scared because they know you're absolutely right.
I particularly like the point about Chaffetz attacking then embracing all immigration stances. I was so furious at the deceit in Jason at the convention against Leavitt especially. I thought it was an extreme cheap shot to distort his words and lie to delegates to get to where he is now. For all those who voted Chaffetz as ABC, you played the cards all wrong. Leavitt was the one who'd get past Cannon. To think all the more politically active people (delegates) could so easily be swayed by silly empty promises and lies...Now look what you've done....such a shame. Oh well, I'll take Cannon again, he's not so bad.
BBKing, I enjoy reading your comments and I agree with the stuff you say. Jason's people are just scared because they know you're absolutely right.
I particularly like the point about Chaffetz attacking then embracing all immigration stances. I was so furious at the deceit in Jason at the convention against Leavitt especially. I thought it was an extreme cheap shot to distort his words and lie to delegates to get to where he is now. For all those who voted Chaffetz as ABC, you played the cards all wrong. Leavitt was the one who'd get past Cannon. To think all the more politically active people (delegates) could so easily be swayed by silly empty promises and lies...Now look what you've done....such a shame. Oh well, I'll take Cannon again, he's not so bad.
Bobby | 3:24 a.m. June 18, 2008
Anyone who actually disagrees with illegal immigration, yet votes for Chris
Cannon--deserves him for another two years in Utah.
VivaLaMigra | 7:14 a.m. June 18, 2008
Cannon has carried water for Big Biz, especially Big Agriculture, for years.
Their demands for the cheapest possible labor, shifting medical and educational
expenses of foreigners onto the backs of US and Utah taxpayers, is Cannon's
primary concern. Try asking Chris exactly what he'll do when his
contributors' "temporary" workers refuse to leave! Answer:
Nothing! He'll file bills extending their stay indefinitely. After all,
they entered "legally" and Chris is all for legal immigration, right?
Effects on wage levels for Americans? Not an issue for Chris; he's pulling
down huge bucks and non-citizens can't run for Congress so why should Chris
be concerned about your wages while you're paying $5/gallon for gas?
lance sjogren | 8:55 a.m. June 18, 2008
Candidates with a history of being pro illegal immigration, when they decide to make a few phony statements about their supposed intent to contol illegal immigration, generally focus on border reform.
That is because those who truly support getting illegal immigration under control know that you need a lot of other things like interior enforcement (e.g. prosecuting employers who hire illegals), not just border control.
When an open-borders guy like Cannon talks about wanting "border control", it is a way to try to win the votes of apathetic voters who are against illegal immigration but don't follow the issue very closely. And the open-borders special interest groups know when they hear such a candidate talk about border control that the candidate is still one of them and is engaging in phony rhetoric in order to try to fool the public.
Larry Brown | 9:28 a.m. June 18, 2008
I am expecting to see some preposterous political ads on television this
election year claiming President Bush and Senator John McCain have been fighting
valiantly to stop out of control illegal immigration. Senator John McCain
already is brazenly lying when he swears up and down he opposes giving amnesty
to illegal aliens when his McCain/ Kennedy comprehensive immigration bill does
exactly that. The truth is forty percent of all illegal aliens domiciled in the
U.S. arrived here since January, 2001. This is a rotten stinking legacy earned
by George W. Bush and encouraged and assisted by Senator John McCain, Senator
Ted Kennedy and many other "open borders" politicians in Washington
D.C.
Jimi | 9:57 a.m. June 18, 2008
The current mess was caused by these losers in congress. Re-elect them and you
institutionalize the problems. Any congressman that says he will fix a problem
has some 'splaining to do on why they have first created this problem and
why they have done nothing yet to solve it. Arizona has done something about it.
This is why you now see thousands of new aliens invading Utaxico. If you
re-elect Cannon you are voting for more of the same. We get the government we
deserve, you deserve Cannon. Enjoy your third world transformation.
Mary | 10:06 a.m. June 18, 2008
Lance Sjogren is correct. Pro-illegals know that the border fence is only part
of the solution, so they will ignore the crucial interior enforcement that is
not happening.
What we need is mandatory implementation of the the E-verify system for all employers, and for all business permits issued by all levels of government. The businesses are fighting this tooth and nail, while trying to keep their fight quiet. They pretend they are fearful that errors in the system would cause legal immigrants from getting employment.
The public needs to contact their representatives at all levels of government to insist on mandatory e-verify by all employers.
The horrible California legislature is trying to put through a bill that would actually prohibit use of the Federal E-Verify system right now.
What we need is mandatory implementation of the the E-verify system for all employers, and for all business permits issued by all levels of government. The businesses are fighting this tooth and nail, while trying to keep their fight quiet. They pretend they are fearful that errors in the system would cause legal immigrants from getting employment.
The public needs to contact their representatives at all levels of government to insist on mandatory e-verify by all employers.
The horrible California legislature is trying to put through a bill that would actually prohibit use of the Federal E-Verify system right now.
Bobby | 3:28 p.m. June 18, 2008
If any citizen of the U.S. who has actually read about the things that go on in
California, as a result of the massive unrelenting illegal immigration, and is
not moved by news of the utter mayhem that goes on-- (violence, welfare fraud,
document fraud, constant demands of the Mexican ethnic interest groups, tax
fraud, language divisiveness, support for children who have children, grafitti,
hospitals and emergency room closings, etc. etc.), then you deserve the same for
your state and there is nothing else to say about any of it.
Bobby | 3:38 p.m. June 18, 2008
Do people who believe Cannon is 'tough' on immigration also believe in
the tooth fairy and are in general extremely childish and naive?
GET LITERATE | 5:01 p.m. June 18, 2008
STEWART: re: agjobs bill: the bill cannont include work at places such as
McDonald's. That is totally false. Also, that bill, is a reform
immigration bill. Although it allows more to immigrate OVER TIME, it also
regulates the flow of those numbers, has improvements to control fraud, which as
one of Cannon's major concerns, and requires the employers sign documents
stating that they employement that the immigrants are taking HASN'T BEEN
ABLE TO BE FILLED BY AMERICANS. It is dishonest to write a post here and not
include the criteria and stipulations for the bill and it is certainly a
disservice to the public to have them think that this bill is a flimsy give all
to the immigrant or "illegal" when it actually gives nothing to the
latter and is not flimsy in its design as a reform bill. This bill achieves many
objectives that we as the American population have expected for immigration
reform: make the system smoother, fairer, freer of fraud, and consistent.
What it looks like to me is that some people are not anti-illegal immigration at all, but anti-immigration. Or maybe, like Chaffetz, it's about opposing Cannon not matter how good something is.
What it looks like to me is that some people are not anti-illegal immigration at all, but anti-immigration. Or maybe, like Chaffetz, it's about opposing Cannon not matter how good something is.
Bradley Reneer | 10:31 p.m. June 18, 2008
Cannon saying "I have always been hard-core (on enforcement)" is just
pathetic. I've watched his MALDEF acceptance speech, thanks to Joe
Ferguson. He says in that June 2002 speech that he's proud of the fact
that in Utah we don't distinguish much between legal and illegal. And then
in the same speech says that here we have the rule of law.
Look up his Agjobs bill. It was an amnesty. The more he denies his past actions the more I say Anyone But Cannon. Fortunately Jason Chaffetz is a great candidate and will make a great replacement.
Look up his Agjobs bill. It was an amnesty. The more he denies his past actions the more I say Anyone But Cannon. Fortunately Jason Chaffetz is a great candidate and will make a great replacement.
Bobby | 12:24 a.m. June 19, 2008
What is it with some folks in Utah where illegal immigration issues and Chris
Cannon is concerned? Or for that matter what is the problem with folks
concerning Lindsey Graham in South Carolina or any other so called
"representative" who doesn't represent Americans but illegal
aliens?
Don't get so worried about re-electing most of these clowns, who regularly betray the citizenry. Do you feel sorry for them or something, at the thought of booting them out of office? Why? They'll just get a job as a lobbyist and continue to sell you out, and make more money doing it than when they were "representing" you. Don't be so naive, where these traitorous politicians are concerned.
Don't get so worried about re-electing most of these clowns, who regularly betray the citizenry. Do you feel sorry for them or something, at the thought of booting them out of office? Why? They'll just get a job as a lobbyist and continue to sell you out, and make more money doing it than when they were "representing" you. Don't be so naive, where these traitorous politicians are concerned.
TioLeo | 1:19 p.m. June 19, 2008
What's the deal with ICE all over Utah county the past couple nights?
Time for a change | 4:50 p.m. June 19, 2008
Chris Cannon has been in Washington for a long time and yet the same issues dog
him each campaign cycle. Hmmm...why is that? I would have to say that we
aren't seeing the results we'd like to see. If we keep electing the
same people, we'll keep getting the same results. If we want to change
things in Washington, we cannot be afraid to send a new face. Jason Chaffetz is
young, energetic and well-versed on the issues. There are allegations that he
can't work well with people, but I would beg to differ. He has a
completely volunteer campaign staff and a lot of grass roots support. I would
say that shows that he can work with people. Jason's stance on immigration
is tough and necessary. We need to fix legal immigration while making it
possible to find and deport illegals. If they want to return, they must go to
the END of the line and come into this country via legal channels. This is a
change we need. Vote for Jason.
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Maybe it is time to put some of our veterans in positions in congress. What do you think? We know they love america enough to die for her at least.
I am personally sick and tired of the pandering to illegals on enforcing our immigration laws.I think we have a bunch of NAU supporters and socialists in our government. This is not the type of voting and behaviors I grew up with.I grew up with American Pride and we were taught to love our beautiful country. America needs american patriots to claim positions back in the government.
Time to vote Chuck Baldwin for President.
He will enforce our immigration laws and end birthright citizenship.Also he will give us our fence. www.constitutionparty.com
He is the only one left Ron Paul is out.
We need people that love americans and america first.
Our soviernty is at risk