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Entitled | 1:05 a.m. June 13, 2008
These people are entitled to compensation. Anyone would be after this type of
non-sense.
Justice | 1:16 a.m. June 13, 2008
I would love to see texas go bankrupt over this terrible error and violation on
families rights. I can only hope this goes to the highest courts possible to set
rules and regulations on future planned raids and violations of families rights.
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zxcvbnm | 1:43 a.m. June 13, 2008
The old saying crime doesn't may certainly doesn't apply in this case. The State officials committed crimes and now they should pay.
From the CPS officials judge shopping to gain a warrant with a nonexistant caller to the excuses used to detain adults the whole fiasco needs to be litigated untill the State admits guilt.
The habit of the State of Texas using power for the sake of power needs to be put to an end once and for all.
Leave Those Kids Alone! | 2:06 a.m. June 13, 2008
The crimes were committed by the Texas DPS. I hope they get their fingers burned
real good!
FightingForFreedom | 2:07 a.m. June 13, 2008
[Smart about it?] You are one really bigoted individual. You've got every
one of the men in that group already tried and convicted already. I think that
they need to file suit and quit being so passive. It will set a precedent and
show people not to tread on other's freedoms. They are indeed entitled to
compensation.
As for 'immunity', I hope that they go after an international lawsuit for attempted genocide, and a federal suit for constitutional rights violations against individual and religious liberties. There is NO immunity from these charges (yet).
Wake up america! Government and/or government officials should NEVER be immune from prosecution from breaking it's own laws. If that becomes the 'norm', then it will be time for another Revolution to break the bonds of tyranny again, as our founding fathers did.
As for 'immunity', I hope that they go after an international lawsuit for attempted genocide, and a federal suit for constitutional rights violations against individual and religious liberties. There is NO immunity from these charges (yet).
Wake up america! Government and/or government officials should NEVER be immune from prosecution from breaking it's own laws. If that becomes the 'norm', then it will be time for another Revolution to break the bonds of tyranny again, as our founding fathers did.
Interloper | 3:24 a.m. June 13, 2008
Two words: Utterly premature. Not only are Texas authorities immune, it is
likely some children will be found to have been abused and some FLDS members
indicted. Both outcomes will confirm that the state was not acting
unreasonably when it removed the children, despite the appeals court's
ruling. Furthermore, the FLDS' attorneys would have to prove actual
damage, both to property and to the children. Both would be difficult to
prove. The children were already living lives that were psychologically
harmful for all of them. FLDS enforcers tried to prevent the police from
entering the temple, making any damage to the door necessary. Furthermore, the
temple is just a building. And Warren Jeffs? He is just a man.
A Physician to Gov. Perry | 3:24 a.m. June 13, 2008
I�m a physician at a small Emergency Room. Tonight I saw
one of the children from the FLDS compound who was recently bused to a nearby
community. I want to express to you my extreme concern about this baby and all
of the very young children in this current situation. The child I saw was under
two years old, has been separated from her mother and all familiar adults, taken
away from familiar surroundings, and been the subject of intense scrutiny which
the child can�t understand. Now the child is ill. I have
never seen such a listless, subdued, sad toddler in my life. She
doesn�t eat well and her caretaker thinks she may have been
breastfed at home as she is so much trouble with bottles. She is losing weight.
She doesn�t play with things. She is almost non-responsive
to the strange adults around her. This is a child in profound mourning for the
loss of her mother, who is sick and by all appearances is going to get
sicker.
Why on earth can this mother not be here to comfort this baby? I am not exaggerating� when I say this child looks like she wants to die.
Why on earth can this mother not be here to comfort this baby? I am not exaggerating� when I say this child looks like she wants to die.
Spinazi | 3:31 a.m. June 13, 2008
The above letter from a Dr. in Alvin, Texas tells of damage to a child that may
never be repaired. He ended the letter with this plea: "Please do
something to reunite at least these small infants with their mothers. This is so
wrong."
I want to see these people compensated, but no amount of money or counseling will undo this atrocity.
I want to see these people compensated, but no amount of money or counseling will undo this atrocity.
Re: Smart About It | 4:24 a.m. June 13, 2008
Dude, your crazy. If the state came in with no proof, violated their own rules,
ripped my two year old from my wife's arms, separated my four children into
several foster homes, and TWO MONTHS LATER I get them back all emotionally
distressed (let alone all the emotional stress this would cause my wife and I)-
you better believe I'd sue the pants off em'!!!
Texas MUST pay big to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone else. I could care less about FLDS. This case has bigger implications for us all (all of us who think the constitution of this country means something and needs to be upheld!)
I still can't believe people are still ranting on about "child abuse", "welfare fraud", etc. I don't know if these things be true or not, but until there is some concrete PROOF (instead of emotionally misled assertions) I am going to reserve judgement and so should everyone else. You know good and well that would be the same way you would want to be treated if you were accused of something.
Texas MUST pay big to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone else. I could care less about FLDS. This case has bigger implications for us all (all of us who think the constitution of this country means something and needs to be upheld!)
I still can't believe people are still ranting on about "child abuse", "welfare fraud", etc. I don't know if these things be true or not, but until there is some concrete PROOF (instead of emotionally misled assertions) I am going to reserve judgement and so should everyone else. You know good and well that would be the same way you would want to be treated if you were accused of something.
This is CRAZY | 5:26 a.m. June 13, 2008
How can a group that is so openly breaking the law by living polygamy sue and
not be afraid of being prosecuted themselves?
Is polygamy not against the law????
What leg do they have to stand on?
As to the temple no longer having the ability to be a temple..... that is just a way to get $$$$$$$$$ That is saying the building itself is HOLY not the spirit that they feel should abide there.
The articles written have consistently talked about the children being united with their "mothers" WHERE ARE THE FATHERS? Many were hiding out; afraid of ... what... If they had nothing to fear, they would have been out in the forefront fighting for the return of their children. (I know some of the monogamous men were.
Maybe damages to their temple and homes should be paid for. But from what I read they would not unlock doors... hence... the need to break them down.
Is polygamy not against the law????
What leg do they have to stand on?
As to the temple no longer having the ability to be a temple..... that is just a way to get $$$$$$$$$ That is saying the building itself is HOLY not the spirit that they feel should abide there.
The articles written have consistently talked about the children being united with their "mothers" WHERE ARE THE FATHERS? Many were hiding out; afraid of ... what... If they had nothing to fear, they would have been out in the forefront fighting for the return of their children. (I know some of the monogamous men were.
Maybe damages to their temple and homes should be paid for. But from what I read they would not unlock doors... hence... the need to break them down.
Pico | 5:47 a.m. June 13, 2008
The lawyers for the FLDS will have to skirt immunity issues. Far from
"licking their chops" this is the only way the FLDS have of fighting
back against the continued persecution they are suffering at the hands of the
State government of Texas. I wish them all the success in the world.
Freedom Mann | 6:02 a.m. June 13, 2008
To "Smart about it?"
I'm an Atheistic Jewish man living in New York City so I can't be accused of being an FLDS "filling" up the responses with pro-FLDS propaganda. I don't even like the FLDS; they seem strange and weird to me.
That said, "Smart about it?," I do know a witch-hunt when I see one, and this is a witch-hunt.
Texas changed its laws about the age of marriage and "who can marry who" all because the FLDS came to town.
CPS and Texas kept changing the accusations and the standards of proof and evidence.
Where are all the children who had broken bones, at a rate 18 times higher than the national average? That came and went pretty quickly.
The open-ended parole of the parents to get their children back when there have still been NO charges OF ANY KIND leveled at the FLDS.
The endless leaking of disinformation by the state on how it is the FLDS came by the ranch property.
The waffling of politicians who have no interest in enforcing the law they are sworn to uphold, but instead they cave in to the "majority of bigots."
Nothing very "Smart about it?" here!
I'm an Atheistic Jewish man living in New York City so I can't be accused of being an FLDS "filling" up the responses with pro-FLDS propaganda. I don't even like the FLDS; they seem strange and weird to me.
That said, "Smart about it?," I do know a witch-hunt when I see one, and this is a witch-hunt.
Texas changed its laws about the age of marriage and "who can marry who" all because the FLDS came to town.
CPS and Texas kept changing the accusations and the standards of proof and evidence.
Where are all the children who had broken bones, at a rate 18 times higher than the national average? That came and went pretty quickly.
The open-ended parole of the parents to get their children back when there have still been NO charges OF ANY KIND leveled at the FLDS.
The endless leaking of disinformation by the state on how it is the FLDS came by the ranch property.
The waffling of politicians who have no interest in enforcing the law they are sworn to uphold, but instead they cave in to the "majority of bigots."
Nothing very "Smart about it?" here!
Bot | 6:06 a.m. June 13, 2008
Where is the ACLU when a minority religion has its Constitutional Rights
ignored. Does the ACLU only support anti-Christian, anti-American causes?
Deterrent | 6:15 a.m. June 13, 2008
These lawsuits should serve as a deterrent to Texas officials and others who
would disregard constitutional protections and due process. Hopefully they will
think twice before doing something this stupid in the future. You can't
punish an entire community if a few of it's members are accused of a crime.
America is a Nation of LAWS | 6:22 a.m. June 13, 2008
This is not about ( MONEY )
This is about JUSTICE.
Constitutional Rights.
Civil Rights and Rights to Liberty.
Texas has went to far and should pay
They have already spent 7 Million Dollars and proved they could up set young children removing them from their Mothers.
Texas will need to be responcible for the DAMAGE they caused
Every dime and dollar
It is time ignorant people learn from this TRAGITY
Did you notice Texas has some kind AMUNITY ?????
This is wrong.
That law is not good for those that have been violated by The laws of the State of Texas.
This is a good time to get these laws thrown out.
Like all States
A THREAT to the People they ( SERVE )????
America is running out of control
Those incharge have went to far.
They are now the number one threat to America.
Home Grown Terrorist
This is about JUSTICE.
Constitutional Rights.
Civil Rights and Rights to Liberty.
Texas has went to far and should pay
They have already spent 7 Million Dollars and proved they could up set young children removing them from their Mothers.
Texas will need to be responcible for the DAMAGE they caused
Every dime and dollar
It is time ignorant people learn from this TRAGITY
Did you notice Texas has some kind AMUNITY ?????
This is wrong.
That law is not good for those that have been violated by The laws of the State of Texas.
This is a good time to get these laws thrown out.
Like all States
A THREAT to the People they ( SERVE )????
America is running out of control
Those incharge have went to far.
They are now the number one threat to America.
Home Grown Terrorist
Smarter about it! | 6:24 a.m. June 13, 2008
Smart About It - I see you're of an unconstitutional "Guilty until
proven innocent" mindset. Moreover, you base your judgement on everything
you read from the media! Were you there? Do you know which - if any - of these
men abused their kids? How do you know?
You're obviously smarter than the judge who assessed all the evidence, saw that it didn't justify a raid, and ordered the children released.
If there was abuse, then by all means, it must be punished, but you need EVIDENCE of the abuse. Until then, the CPS was obviously motivated by suspicion and a prank phone call. FLDS should sock CPS/State of TX for punitive damages as well! Go get'em lawyers!
You're obviously smarter than the judge who assessed all the evidence, saw that it didn't justify a raid, and ordered the children released.
If there was abuse, then by all means, it must be punished, but you need EVIDENCE of the abuse. Until then, the CPS was obviously motivated by suspicion and a prank phone call. FLDS should sock CPS/State of TX for punitive damages as well! Go get'em lawyers!
Bucko | 6:30 a.m. June 13, 2008
Never kick a giant unless you can kill it.
Dig deep Texas | 6:41 a.m. June 13, 2008
Yes, they will have trouble getting state courts to cough up, but every lawyer
involved has to be living their chops about their prospects in federal court.
Basic civil rights abuses are going to be easy to prove.
Again, more baseless accusations of child abuse. That won't get Texas far as a positive defense when they're trying to limit the damages for which they're liable.
Again, more baseless accusations of child abuse. That won't get Texas far as a positive defense when they're trying to limit the damages for which they're liable.
A visitor | 7:05 a.m. June 13, 2008
YFZ ranch residents deserve compensation from the offending authorities for the
horrible treatment that they have received. Of course its up to them to
determine their course of action in that respect.
Its true that "crime doesn't pay," at least for the Texas authorities who carried out illegal actions against them, and are now millions of dollars in the hole for their efforts. I hope that they go a few more millions into the red, and that these millions help cover the damages done to the FLDS community.
But again, thats only my own opinion, and I'll be watching to see what actually transpires.
Its true that "crime doesn't pay," at least for the Texas authorities who carried out illegal actions against them, and are now millions of dollars in the hole for their efforts. I hope that they go a few more millions into the red, and that these millions help cover the damages done to the FLDS community.
But again, thats only my own opinion, and I'll be watching to see what actually transpires.
COSMO | 7:07 a.m. June 13, 2008
Re:Smart about it;would you deny the same legal rights to others, that you
yourself have? If these actions had been taken against those of the Muslim
faith, would you and others be so intently bigoted,
and militant towards them, as you display towards the FLDS? Please, search your souls, I for one see very little justice, but I see a great deal of pure hate.
and militant towards them, as you display towards the FLDS? Please, search your souls, I for one see very little justice, but I see a great deal of pure hate.
NoMo FLDS | 7:15 a.m. June 13, 2008
The only thing worse than the people who use religion to turn children into sex
slaves are the lawyers who profit from it.
betty | 7:18 a.m. June 13, 2008
so now those lawyers who volunteered to help the poor people with no money are
getting set up for getting some money themselves????
i see this comment line has been invaded by the polygamists again. dont you people have any work to do??
i see this comment line has been invaded by the polygamists again. dont you people have any work to do??
Psyche damages | 7:33 a.m. June 13, 2008
I'm sure they can get some experts who will attest that mass separation -
for no reason whatsoever at that - of very young children from their mothers for
two months is not without long term consequences; there will no doubt be
conditions such as Attachment Disorder later on in life.
Plus there's no excuse for the authorities did. You can't take children from their mothers without evidence of wrongdoing. That's just wrong. There needs to be lawsuit for punitive damages if nothing else.
Plus there's no excuse for the authorities did. You can't take children from their mothers without evidence of wrongdoing. That's just wrong. There needs to be lawsuit for punitive damages if nothing else.
Hum? | 8:00 a.m. June 13, 2008
FLDS people have rights? A few stories above this one (on the des-news home
page) said the Supreme Court ruled saying terrorists at Cuba have rights.
Well now, why not our own people. Texas should pay for damages (at least). They grossly abused their power and traumatized these people. Texas should have suspended all activities when they learned the initial call was a hoax. Instead they pumped up the rhetoric. Who will be responsible for all the human-rights violations committed by Texas officials?
Immunity, I think not.
Well now, why not our own people. Texas should pay for damages (at least). They grossly abused their power and traumatized these people. Texas should have suspended all activities when they learned the initial call was a hoax. Instead they pumped up the rhetoric. Who will be responsible for all the human-rights violations committed by Texas officials?
Immunity, I think not.
Bruce | 8:06 a.m. June 13, 2008
There are records of one child left in a walker for so many hours he/she
dehydrated and had to be hospitalized while in one of CPS's stockades.
Nursing babies over 1 year old were separated from their moms and put on formula. Adults presented legal i.d.'s and were still held as minors. Etc.
If this causes CPS organizations to be "reeled in" nationwide and stop operating outside the constitution, maybe it will be worth it. It's just a tradgedy that these families had to suffer to get it done.
Nursing babies over 1 year old were separated from their moms and put on formula. Adults presented legal i.d.'s and were still held as minors. Etc.
If this causes CPS organizations to be "reeled in" nationwide and stop operating outside the constitution, maybe it will be worth it. It's just a tradgedy that these families had to suffer to get it done.
Cherilyn Bacon Eagar | 8:07 a.m. June 13, 2008
I checked out the Texas state statistics on teen pregnancy and discovered that
per capita, it was twice as high as the incidence claimed at the FLDS ranch.
Now, with only a handful of young women actually pregnant, one wonders when
Texas will begin the raid on the rest of the Texas community, not just the FLDS
community?
If laws can be changed to suit the prejudices of a community to get rid of an unwanted element or a group of people gaining too much �political power,� beware. You and your beliefs, if deemed "out of the mainstream" may be next.
And if your beliefs include a public expression of religion or belief in God, you can bet the atheistic, anti-American ACLU will be on your doorstep to deny your religious freedom.
P.S. They already have.
If laws can be changed to suit the prejudices of a community to get rid of an unwanted element or a group of people gaining too much �political power,� beware. You and your beliefs, if deemed "out of the mainstream" may be next.
And if your beliefs include a public expression of religion or belief in God, you can bet the atheistic, anti-American ACLU will be on your doorstep to deny your religious freedom.
P.S. They already have.
re This is crazy | 8:09 a.m. June 13, 2008
I'll give you an answer. In this country, the government can only
prosecute INDIVIDUALS. That is embedded in our constitution and part of the
legal fabric of this country. Once the government starts prosecuting GROUPS for
something a few individuals may (or may not) have done, that's the end of
some of our constitutional protections against the habitual over-reaching of
those in power.
Your allegations that some/any/most male members of the FLDS are guilty of certain crimes may or may not be true. If it is true, then those INDIVIDUALS who are guilty should be punished.
Certainly, none of these 4 and 5 year old children are guilty. I still have yet to hear how any of the mothers are guilty INDIVIDUALLY of any sort of abuse. Allegations of welfare fraud are another matter, but last time I checked the penalty for welfare fraud wasn't allowing the state to kidnap children.
As another poster mentioned, this is a witch hunt. It's as bad/disappointing/frightening as similar chapters in our country's history like the Salem witch trials and the detention of Japanese-AMERICANS during WWII.
Blind accusations against groups plus severe punishment does not equal liberty.
Your allegations that some/any/most male members of the FLDS are guilty of certain crimes may or may not be true. If it is true, then those INDIVIDUALS who are guilty should be punished.
Certainly, none of these 4 and 5 year old children are guilty. I still have yet to hear how any of the mothers are guilty INDIVIDUALLY of any sort of abuse. Allegations of welfare fraud are another matter, but last time I checked the penalty for welfare fraud wasn't allowing the state to kidnap children.
As another poster mentioned, this is a witch hunt. It's as bad/disappointing/frightening as similar chapters in our country's history like the Salem witch trials and the detention of Japanese-AMERICANS during WWII.
Blind accusations against groups plus severe punishment does not equal liberty.
Take Texas to the cleaners | 8:25 a.m. June 13, 2008
I hope Texas has to pay big time for the way they treated these people.
to betty: | 8:31 a.m. June 13, 2008
One question, How many FLDS do you know, answer yourself truly. Please dont
judge blindly, sitting around is not in are make up.
CMK | 8:35 a.m. June 13, 2008
Everyone in this country should pray that the FLDS sue the state of Texas and
that the FLDS prevail. How else can the people stand up against the tyranny of
the governmental agencies that apparently have gone out of control with the
power 'at their fingertips' - who are now able to call in tanks,
heavy artillery, troops, helicopters, the Media, etc to use against American
citizens, - who are accused of child abuse by unsubstantiated reports &
rumors, and other CIVILIAN crimes. THIS IS TYRANNY!! Wake up and call it what
it is and fight it with every breath inside yourself, or you WILL be next -
People who think it is 'crazy' to let the FLDS 'off' have forgotten one thing....THEY WERE NOT EVEN CHARGED OR TAKEN TO TRIAL WHEN THEY WERE ROUNDED UP LIKE CATTLE AND HAULED OFF....2 necessary components before arrest, condemnation and punishment in America. American law is NOT supposed to mete out punishment from mob hysteria over salacious unsubstantiated (not proven in a court of law) charges.
The people who think the state was correct in it's belong in Salem Ma. of the old days, burning witches - they have the exact same mentality.
People who think it is 'crazy' to let the FLDS 'off' have forgotten one thing....THEY WERE NOT EVEN CHARGED OR TAKEN TO TRIAL WHEN THEY WERE ROUNDED UP LIKE CATTLE AND HAULED OFF....2 necessary components before arrest, condemnation and punishment in America. American law is NOT supposed to mete out punishment from mob hysteria over salacious unsubstantiated (not proven in a court of law) charges.
The people who think the state was correct in it's belong in Salem Ma. of the old days, burning witches - they have the exact same mentality.
JWW | 8:40 a.m. June 13, 2008
The FLDS in Texas have had their rights trampled and no amount of monetary
compensation can repair the damage done by the state of Texas. However, they
deserve compensation big enough to make Texas have second thoughts the next time
they consider violating the rights of the people, FLDS or otherwise. This is
important both for the FLDS and for every US citizen that believes in the
Constitution and justice.
Well deserved | 8:51 a.m. June 13, 2008
God will bless us and Warren Jeffs, he is a the true prophet. We (FLDS) are the
only true church, and Texas deserves to be sued. We will use the money to build
our kingdom BIGGER!
Go ahead and sue | 8:53 a.m. June 13, 2008
Bring it on, FLDS. Your wrong doings will be so exposed if you sue. If you
think you can simply get money from the state of Texas and not have your
"lifestyle" completely exposed, you're sadly mistaken. The
lawyers for Texas will fight tooth and nail to prove there were reasons to take
the children and in the process, the jury will hear about all the horrific
things that the FLDS have done.
A side note: If you want your comments read, learn basic grammar and sentence structure. I wonder if some of these posters have an education beyond the second grade.
A side note: If you want your comments read, learn basic grammar and sentence structure. I wonder if some of these posters have an education beyond the second grade.
Please Sue | 8:55 a.m. June 13, 2008
May be if the polygamist sue they can be cross examined and exposed as the trash
they are. This would be a way for the state to arrest some of these criminals
later on.
CMK | 8:58 a.m. June 13, 2008
To JWW
I agree wholeheartedly! But I question the people who disagree. It is as if they have NO understanding of the Constitution and it's protections. Almost as if Nancy Grace and a few other tv so-called legal pundits are the final word in American jurisprudence.
I agree wholeheartedly! But I question the people who disagree. It is as if they have NO understanding of the Constitution and it's protections. Almost as if Nancy Grace and a few other tv so-called legal pundits are the final word in American jurisprudence.
Anonymous | 9:04 a.m. June 13, 2008
The word "raid" should be changed to "rescued".
just wondering | 9:21 a.m. June 13, 2008
"God will bless us and Warren Jeffs, he is a the true prophet. We (FLDS)
are the only true church, and Texas deserves to be sued. We will use the money
to build our kingdom BIGGER!"
Is vindictiveness a core principle in the FLDS faith?
Is vindictiveness a core principle in the FLDS faith?
Anonymous | 9:22 a.m. June 13, 2008
"Bring it on, FLDS. Your wrong doings will be so exposed if you sue. If you
think you can simply get money from the state of Texas and not have your
"lifestyle" completely exposed,"
I was thinking the same thing.. I live by these people, and they are passive aggressive, not passive.
They are quiet because they want no exposure to their ways. If they sue, its only to bleed the beast.
People, here's what most of you miss.. These people see EVERYONE that isnt FLDS as evil. Thats the plain truth. Not if Im right, and I am, then FLDS don't feel like they owe society anything, because they are ALL evil. So in their minds, whats the problem with bouncing a check given to an evil person? Who cares about taking welfare from an evil government? Who cares about lying to the CPS (Over and Over I might add) since they are evil anyway?
I was thinking the same thing.. I live by these people, and they are passive aggressive, not passive.
They are quiet because they want no exposure to their ways. If they sue, its only to bleed the beast.
People, here's what most of you miss.. These people see EVERYONE that isnt FLDS as evil. Thats the plain truth. Not if Im right, and I am, then FLDS don't feel like they owe society anything, because they are ALL evil. So in their minds, whats the problem with bouncing a check given to an evil person? Who cares about taking welfare from an evil government? Who cares about lying to the CPS (Over and Over I might add) since they are evil anyway?
WashCo | 9:27 a.m. June 13, 2008
The old adage about skeletons in the closet is appropriate here. The FLDS have
so many skeletons in the closet they cannot close the door. Let's find out
what these filthy old men have been doing to these little girls.
Phony | 9:32 a.m. June 13, 2008
I think Well Deserved is a phony just like the call to the CPS. With that said,
Amen to CMK. If noone speaks up for the Constitution and for the individual
rights of American citizens then the United States of America ceases to exist in
it's true form as a Democracy for the People, by the People.
COSMO | 9:36 a.m. June 13, 2008
Re;betty; Is there anyone worthy of your perfection?
Does one have to be a member of a particular group,
to be able to observe and comment as to the justice
they are, or are not receiving. During the Civil Rights Movement, there were many people, that were not of African decent. Yet did they not stand up for
what was right. And was it not right that all the people of this country, be able to live in dignity, freedom and honor? Why should the FLDS be denied all
those same "God" given rights? Why do you possess so
much hatred, and animosity towards these people?
In one of you posts, you mentioned that you were of
the Baptist faith, whether you are or not, is not my
business.I would hate to think you were a role model
of that particular faith, hohever I will try not to
judge others, based upon your own demons.
Does one have to be a member of a particular group,
to be able to observe and comment as to the justice
they are, or are not receiving. During the Civil Rights Movement, there were many people, that were not of African decent. Yet did they not stand up for
what was right. And was it not right that all the people of this country, be able to live in dignity, freedom and honor? Why should the FLDS be denied all
those same "God" given rights? Why do you possess so
much hatred, and animosity towards these people?
In one of you posts, you mentioned that you were of
the Baptist faith, whether you are or not, is not my
business.I would hate to think you were a role model
of that particular faith, hohever I will try not to
judge others, based upon your own demons.
re: Physician | 9:38 a.m. June 13, 2008
All kids have already been returned to their mothers. Nice try though.
A real FLDS Person | 9:41 a.m. June 13, 2008
"People, here's what most of you miss.. These people see EVERYONE that
isnt FLDS as evil."
Really? It's sure fun to learn about beliefs you never knew you had. It's funny that you say we believe that EVERYONE besides us is evil (which isn't true; there are lots and lots of good, honest people in this world), and then you say that ALL the FLDS are evil.
"Who cares about lying to the CPS (Over and Over I might add) since they are evil anyway?"
What were all the lies that the FLDS told CPS? So far, everything shown in court has been that CPS was lying to the FLDS.
To Just wondering @9:21:
I honestly believe that no FLDS member wrote that. That's exactly opposite to our beliefs. Sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect through cyberspace.
Really? It's sure fun to learn about beliefs you never knew you had. It's funny that you say we believe that EVERYONE besides us is evil (which isn't true; there are lots and lots of good, honest people in this world), and then you say that ALL the FLDS are evil.
"Who cares about lying to the CPS (Over and Over I might add) since they are evil anyway?"
What were all the lies that the FLDS told CPS? So far, everything shown in court has been that CPS was lying to the FLDS.
To Just wondering @9:21:
I honestly believe that no FLDS member wrote that. That's exactly opposite to our beliefs. Sarcasm is sometimes hard to detect through cyberspace.
One question | 9:43 a.m. June 13, 2008
Why is Merrill Jessop in hiding??? What does he have to hide? (Other than
enforcing, committing and condoning child rape and kidnapping).
The FLDS are only going to hurt themselves worse. If they bring on a lawsuit, it opens all kinds of doors that will shed light on the abuses suffered by women and children in this enclave. At least their child-molesting leader is behind bars with many more years in prison staring him in the face in light of the new evidence dug up against him.
The FLDS are only going to hurt themselves worse. If they bring on a lawsuit, it opens all kinds of doors that will shed light on the abuses suffered by women and children in this enclave. At least their child-molesting leader is behind bars with many more years in prison staring him in the face in light of the new evidence dug up against him.
DC | 9:44 a.m. June 13, 2008
To Go Ahead and Sue
I've watched this comment board throughout this process from my perch here in DC, and the number of comments with grammatical errors from those supporting the Texas CPS has looked roughly equal to those criticizing the CPS. Not long ago, when I pointed out that one of the CPS supporters had put up a post that reinforced its sloppy thinking with sloppy grammar (I was certainly not so arrogant as to suggest that people I had never met must have only a "second-grade education", as you have), several CPS supporters responded that they were offended and scandalized that I would embarrass a contributor to the discussion by pointing out grammatical mistakes. I immediately responded that they were right, everyone makes grammatical errors when typing quickly -- even those of us with multiple Ivy League degrees -- and henceforth I would focus only on their repellent bigotry and childish willingness to believe everything they read on the internet and not on their limited capacity for self-expression. You might want to do the same.
I've watched this comment board throughout this process from my perch here in DC, and the number of comments with grammatical errors from those supporting the Texas CPS has looked roughly equal to those criticizing the CPS. Not long ago, when I pointed out that one of the CPS supporters had put up a post that reinforced its sloppy thinking with sloppy grammar (I was certainly not so arrogant as to suggest that people I had never met must have only a "second-grade education", as you have), several CPS supporters responded that they were offended and scandalized that I would embarrass a contributor to the discussion by pointing out grammatical mistakes. I immediately responded that they were right, everyone makes grammatical errors when typing quickly -- even those of us with multiple Ivy League degrees -- and henceforth I would focus only on their repellent bigotry and childish willingness to believe everything they read on the internet and not on their limited capacity for self-expression. You might want to do the same.
CMK | 9:50 a.m. June 13, 2008
>
And anonymous sees EVERYONE who is FLDS as evil....
What's the difference?
Should we bring tanks after you Anonymous
because of the same reasoning??
And anonymous sees EVERYONE who is FLDS as evil....
What's the difference?
Should we bring tanks after you Anonymous
because of the same reasoning??
RE: Well deserved | 9:51 a.m. June 13, 2008
Obviously you are not FLDS or are not in the same spirit of them to brag like
that. Pride cometh before a fall. I hope and pray that the mothers, fathers,
and the children at the YFZ Ranch will be able to take this experience and have
it strengthen their characters instead of let it wipe them out for the rest of
their lives. They are a beautiful people.---Non-FLDS.
I'm sure the court cost for them are Trememdous and so I feel they should have all they need to take care of them and those darling children for the rest of their lives. I hope ALL government officials will learn this big lesson--gossip can hurt a lot of lives and just because someone's selfish expectations weren't met (Flora, Carolyn, Elissa, etc.) does not mean that innocent people should pay that kind of a price. Mark Shurtlift has also powered his accusations on his hatred for these people, same with Terry Godard, Senator Reid, etc. They should not be in office with those kind of discriminating comments and accusations against any ONE or group of people. Proof before condemnation please.
I'm sure the court cost for them are Trememdous and so I feel they should have all they need to take care of them and those darling children for the rest of their lives. I hope ALL government officials will learn this big lesson--gossip can hurt a lot of lives and just because someone's selfish expectations weren't met (Flora, Carolyn, Elissa, etc.) does not mean that innocent people should pay that kind of a price. Mark Shurtlift has also powered his accusations on his hatred for these people, same with Terry Godard, Senator Reid, etc. They should not be in office with those kind of discriminating comments and accusations against any ONE or group of people. Proof before condemnation please.
BoPeep | 9:54 a.m. June 13, 2008
This is good news and I hope they can somehow hold Walthers, Voss and all the
errant individuals liable, as well.
Nothing like accountability to force change.
Hopefully, they can get it Federal Court outside Texas so they can get a fair trial.
Nothing like accountability to force change.
Hopefully, they can get it Federal Court outside Texas so they can get a fair trial.
Hum? | 10:00 a.m. June 13, 2008
Re: Anonymous:
Does it matter what they (FLDS) believe?
Does it matter what they will do with the money they win in a lawsuit?
Does it matter what they think of us? They may be right. Just watch late night TV.
They have a constitutional right to believe what they want. Taking every child because of a prank call exposes the bigoted mentality of Texas officials. From afar, it looks like Texas was waiting for any excuse to run their scorched-earth raid.
One last thought: if CPS came and took your kids and every kid in the neighborhood because your neighbors broke the law, would it be a rescue or a raid?
Hum?
Does it matter what they (FLDS) believe?
Does it matter what they will do with the money they win in a lawsuit?
Does it matter what they think of us? They may be right. Just watch late night TV.
They have a constitutional right to believe what they want. Taking every child because of a prank call exposes the bigoted mentality of Texas officials. From afar, it looks like Texas was waiting for any excuse to run their scorched-earth raid.
One last thought: if CPS came and took your kids and every kid in the neighborhood because your neighbors broke the law, would it be a rescue or a raid?
Hum?
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As for being smart about it, the only thing the FLDS men and lawyers are concerned about is how much money they can milk out of Texas.
Whoever said crime doesn't pay, obviously never met the child-abusing FLDS men.