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Summit targets FLDS
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You know what's really scary? People who don't have the money to get lawyers and fight these people often get rolled over. Often it's just an abuse of the poor. Sad, sad, sad!!!
Our entire "main stream" culture has completely denigrated the idea of marriage. Multiple partners throughout a life is considered normal. People marry and divorce or never marry at all....
So, what are they targeting? Perhaps, that these groups actually seem to value their children and don't throw them away?
It's about time law-enforcement agencies targeting these lawbreakers. For far too long they have been thumbing their noses at the law, ignoring any laws that they didn't agree with.
Forced child marriages, child rape, kidnapping, welfare fraud, child abuse, slavery, false imprisonment, denying constitutionally guaranteed basic freedoms, illegally reassigning women and children to new men, lying to authorities, incest, etc., etc.
Prosecute those who are involved in underage marriage --- let them "repent from afar" with Warren Jeffs.
The government isn't targeting a specific religion, goverment is targeting the illegal practices of a group of people who have decided that they are above the law and can do whatever they please, or are told to do by their "prophet," whether it's legal or not.
Hiding behind the excuse that this is simply what we believe doesn't make it right.
If we start allowing personal religious beliefs to trump the law, we might as well abolish all laws, because all anyone would have to do to get away with breaking any law would be to start their own religion and then declare that they were no longer going to follow a certain law because it violated their religious beliefs.
PS Did you know the YFZ was not on welfare? I had thought they were until I actually did some research...
The problem is that they are running out of cheap buzzwords like "compound" and "child abuse".
I know, maybe they could start calling them a "terrorist organization" or a "hate group".
The problem authorities have is there is no "fear" of the FLDS. If they can somehow generate some "fear", then they can throw millions at the nonexistant problem while the masses cheer.
PS You want to get mad about something, Ask your stake president how much welfare he is giving out in his stake, the number is astounding!! And this is our tithing money!!!
If it's Muslim men importing child brides and having them circumcised, well then that's "celebrating diversity".
The meeting from a month ago was of other Mormon Polygamists and to my knowledge the FLDS was not represented there. What I saw reported on it was a promise not to go after polygamy and to try and get the status reduced to a misdemeanor (?) instead of a felony. His promise was only for the crime of polygamy itself. Child abusers, etc will still be prosecuted where found.
The FLDS owe an apology to all their young men they kicked out to make room for polygamy.
Perhaps this bad that Texas did will have a good effect. The FLDS will be forced to take parenting classes that will teach them to finally become decent parents.
In other words, the lurid exaggerations of former polygamist women -- some of whom have significant personal and financial motives to stretch the truth -- are turning out to be less than factual.
And after having seen how the Texas CPS treated the victims of polygamy, it's not surprising many polygamist wives would not want to testify against their husbands.
Many have concluded it's better to be a polygamist wife and live with your children than a state's witness who can only see your kids when the courts allow it.
Warren Jeffs justified the FLDS reliance on government assistance -- food stamps, medicaid, etc. -- by teaching the practice of "Bleeding the Beast." In other words, the so-called, evil outsiders needed to be punished by god (that is, the FLDS) taking as much from the beast (that is, the rest of us evil, tax-payers) as possible.
The FLDS have argued that people living at the YFZ ranch were self-sufficient because they weren't living on welfare. Maybe not directly, but they refuse to reveal where the money and resources to purchase and build the ranch came from.
The answer, of course, is that ALL of the money and resources came from the FLDS who were living in Hildale and Colorado City, where the vast majority of FLDS were heavily dependent on welfare.
you're kidding me, right? doesn't everyone by now know about the lost boys? and the systematic belittling of women-- you might as well say that they're throwing those girl's lives away too.
Ruby Ridge, Waco, and now FLDS. Facism is rampant in this nation.
And one writer is correct. When the Islmao-terrorists start moving in, you can bet the same whinnying naysaying creeps will be groveling, complimenting them on how well they take care of their women who would otherwise be destitute, excepting for their polygamous beliefs. Yep. Wait and see.
assistance. When one is blinded by hatred, one is incapable of seeing anything.
Betty, you should get yourself a nice SS uniform!
Finally, as you may be aware, the Church's assistencee is not met to be a permanent and/or long-term program - it is intended to be for short-term, temporary needs.
Just thought you'd like to know.
Maybe you could explain how your opinion differs so much from the actual numbers:
33 percent of the residents of Hildale, Utah and Colorado City, Arizona, whose inhabitants are predominantly FLDS members, are using food stamps to feed their families, compared to 6.7 percent of Arizona inhabitants and 4.7 percent of Utah inhabitants outside of these areas.
33% FLDS is 5 to 7 times HIGHER than 6.7% or 4.7%
Did you know that Washington County used Homeland Security money to fund the wages of an officer hired to drive Hildale streets. The officer herassed the people and stopped drivers when he realized they were young girls. Then when an investigation came out at the purgitory facility where he worked, all of the sudden he was transfered. (????)
If you talked to most the officers that have had to go out there and patrol, they say it is the most boring route because NOTHING happens.
Maybe you don't know what you are talking about and stirring up madness about. The stake president doesn't give out welfare he supervises it. The Bishop and the Relief Society president gives out welfare and it is not our "tithing money" but out of our fast offerings. Realize that the "welfare" is subsisting those in need not necessarily LDS in the Bishop's area. If the Bishop doesn't have enough funds then the monies are pooled together in the stake and disbursed to the needy. If there is an excess of funds then they are sent into the Church to help other needy families in other areas. The Bishop also distributes, through the Bishops storehouse, food and other commodities to the less fortunate in his area. All this comes from the LDS Church's welfare department which sends thousands of TONS of commodities to earthquake, flood, hurricane victims throughout the world. Now don't you as an LDS member feel a little more PROUD for helping out the less fortunate!! Don't get MAD just get in and HELP!
Anyone who does not uphold marriage between a man and woman, as God's law at this time, has no right to persecute anyone.
Can someone let these geniuses know that polygamists don't pose a public threat?
Once you start to infringe on the laws of one group it opens the door to take rights away from the entire whole. If in fact a certain "family" is committing crimes against a specific child then absolutely should that child be removed from the home whether it be an FLDS home or a "normal" home (whatever that might be).
I am from a polygamous family (not FLDS). My father never pushed marriage on me, I graduated from college and I am currently in grad school, I am not married with ten kids as most Utahns are at 25, and I come from a LOVING environment that I wouldn't change for the world. My family also supports itself on $300,000+ annual income ... so welfare fraud?? Please, at least get your facts straight if you choose to make an argument. Give away your freedoms and you give away what our country was founded on.
Organized crime families are involved in murders, extortion, bribery, money laundering, prostitution, drugs, gambling, etc., etc.
There are clear indications of what the FLDS are doing. Just because their crimes are difficult to prove because of a lack of hard evidence or witnesses willing to step forward doesn't mean they aren't breaking the law.
Too many ex-FLDS have related the same types of experiences involving child abuse, kidnapping, welfare fraud, and other crimes to simply dismiss their testimony as nothing more than "exaggeration."
It seems hating others is unfortunately the "communion of our race", but being charitable in thought and deed is indeed rare.
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