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Beware of FLDS enforcers, Texas told
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John Lambert | 8:17 p.m. June 11, 2008
TO ME,
You have not looked into stuff very much. First off, at leas one place they said Washington County was in Utah. Secondly, it would not take much effort to learn that Washington County is in Utah, the home of St. George and the fastest gorwing county in the state.
You have not looked into stuff very much. First off, at leas one place they said Washington County was in Utah. Secondly, it would not take much effort to learn that Washington County is in Utah, the home of St. George and the fastest gorwing county in the state.
Just an American | 8:20 p.m. June 11, 2008
Isn't it interesting that these people haven't been convicted of
anything? Yet, the government is free to spread unproven nonsense at will. My
question is 'What's really behind this?' What is it Texas is
really trying to do?
Beware Texans, Catholics or Baptists my be next...
Beware Texans, Catholics or Baptists my be next...
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jhb2 | 8:30 p.m. June 11, 2008
I hope the FLDS's break the Texas bank in suing the pants off of every
official who had anything to do with trumping up this bogus case against their
sect. Hit 'em where it hurts; in the wallet.
To RS 4:50 am | 8:56 p.m. June 11, 2008
I support you RS. At least there is a couple of us that hasent lost our
sanity.
Evil is as Evil does.
Evidence of evil, warren jeffs guilty of crimes against children.
People please get your heads out of the behinds of the FDLS & see them for what they truly are.
Child molesters and rapists
Evil is as Evil does.
Evidence of evil, warren jeffs guilty of crimes against children.
People please get your heads out of the behinds of the FDLS & see them for what they truly are.
Child molesters and rapists
Hypocrisy! | 9:01 p.m. June 11, 2008
There is so much "moral outrage" against these people! Where is the
moral ourtage against people who have children out of wedlock? 70% of children
born in some of our cities are to single parents. Why is that "ok" but
wrong if children are born in three parent families? Who are the greater
offenders of morality?
Donald | 9:10 p.m. June 11, 2008
Well, I guess next term "Mean Mugging" people will be a crime in
Texas. Then we can get all of these mean looking cops, old mad women, and
liberals off the streets.
heaven forbid! | 9:13 p.m. June 11, 2008
Polygamy is immoral, it's immoral to use god for their evil practices. The
FLDS people don't seem to think or realize that they can as well transmit
sexual diseases to one another, as well as inbred diseases. It's all a
cesspool in the making.
Larry | 9:24 p.m. June 11, 2008
When will all those guv'ment lovers among you pull your heads from the
sand? You fools are the same kind of folks who turned their backs, hid, and ran
when 6 million Jews were killed in WWII. You will be the first to denounce your
neighbor when the guv'ment comes knocking. Chickens, weasels,
welfare-statists, wimps - all of you. When the revolution comes, as it
inevitably will, you will be the cannon fodder the guv'ment throws under
the wheels first. Morons. You make me nauseous.
Ibredd | 9:25 p.m. June 11, 2008
These people have a clear shot at a billion dollar settlement, so it seems
unlikely they will cloud it. However the state has ever reason to continue to
put these people in bad light.
Bill | 9:28 p.m. June 11, 2008
Heaven forbid! All you moralists out there - "polygamy is immoral",
etc... Fools, all of you.
Gays can get married in California, but three (or more) people can't in Texas? Uh, is there something wrong here? (Yes)
IF YOU DON'T HELP KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, IT WILL VERY SOON BE IN YOURS.
Gays can get married in California, but three (or more) people can't in Texas? Uh, is there something wrong here? (Yes)
IF YOU DON'T HELP KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES LIVES, IT WILL VERY SOON BE IN YOURS.
not happy | 9:34 p.m. June 11, 2008
This incompetent/corrupt child grabbing judge needs round the clock police
observation..I agree. Only thing is, it should be in the prison where shes
serving her sentence for violating the civil rights of about 500 people, who got
their kids stolen becasue they act funny and dont look the same as the judge
would like them to.
Pretty sure that been banned sometime in the past 150 years or so. Now these texas state civil rights losers are left to make up fear tales about being hunted by `enforcers`.. maybe the FLDS will show up in their oxen drawn cart (with rims) towing a two ton rock cantapult?
This judge needs to be in JAIL.
Pretty sure that been banned sometime in the past 150 years or so. Now these texas state civil rights losers are left to make up fear tales about being hunted by `enforcers`.. maybe the FLDS will show up in their oxen drawn cart (with rims) towing a two ton rock cantapult?
This judge needs to be in JAIL.
Common Sense | 9:38 p.m. June 11, 2008
No one has any idea what details these investigators have discovered. They know
much more about the FLDS community in relation to this case than anyone of us.
The dossiers were written as a routine communication between law enforcement agencies. The officals that wrote that document did so with the intent to share all information discovered during investigation with other law enforcement officers. How could any of you know what these investigators saw and heard during their extensive investigations?
Anything could happen at any time without warning. If the dossiers hadn't been written and there was a revolt of some kind, everyone would say "Why weren't they aware! Why weren't they ready?"
Plan for the worst. Hope for the best.
We should really be blaming Deseret News for printing a private law enforcement document.
The dossiers were written as a routine communication between law enforcement agencies. The officals that wrote that document did so with the intent to share all information discovered during investigation with other law enforcement officers. How could any of you know what these investigators saw and heard during their extensive investigations?
Anything could happen at any time without warning. If the dossiers hadn't been written and there was a revolt of some kind, everyone would say "Why weren't they aware! Why weren't they ready?"
Plan for the worst. Hope for the best.
We should really be blaming Deseret News for printing a private law enforcement document.
PW Hemphill | 9:42 p.m. June 11, 2008
Texas is now trying to play �The
Victim� card. Perhaps instead of looking out for FLDS
assassins, Judge Walther should be looking out for US Federal Agents trying to
arrest her for various civil-rights violations. The Texas judicial system should
have prosecuted the men who committed any rape or child endangerment laws,
however, that of course, would have invoked the use of the four letter word:
W O R K! How much easier to play storm troopers and kidnap children. If the British had performed this act at the dawn of our republic, we would have witnessed more than a Tea Party.
W O R K! How much easier to play storm troopers and kidnap children. If the British had performed this act at the dawn of our republic, we would have witnessed more than a Tea Party.
Theres a first time for evrythng | 9:49 p.m. June 11, 2008
Wake up people. No one ever does anything until it's too late.
Citizen Tom | 10:09 p.m. June 11, 2008
Why has the judge not been arrested and jailed for her crimes? Why is she still
a member of the Bar?People, WAKE UP!!!!!
M Lee | 10:22 p.m. June 11, 2008
If there were any constitutional fanatics left in this country, she'd have
to beware of them, too.
AWJW | 10:28 p.m. June 11, 2008
Everything about this religion is disturbing and scary. I would totally get
protection too!!
Home in Utah | 10:54 p.m. June 11, 2008
To Janet and other FLDS
I read many of the FLDS posts defending their leadership and I admire your faith and loyalty. However, no one seems to want to talk about the conversation (Which can be read online) between Warren Jeffs and his brother where Warren admits that he was never a true Prophet and that God should punish him. As a result I wonder how many women and children are now involved in plural marriages as wives or "Spiritual Partners" that in fact were NEVER sanctioned by God but arranged by a false Prophet and child molester? Not a molester? Explain the picture of his bride (13 years old) on their 1st anniversary. If my math is correct that would have made her 12 when she married the dubious Prophet. Also, no one wants to admit to or acknowledge the cache of weapons found in the Temple in Texas. What would such a peaceful people need with automatic weapons?
I read many of the FLDS posts defending their leadership and I admire your faith and loyalty. However, no one seems to want to talk about the conversation (Which can be read online) between Warren Jeffs and his brother where Warren admits that he was never a true Prophet and that God should punish him. As a result I wonder how many women and children are now involved in plural marriages as wives or "Spiritual Partners" that in fact were NEVER sanctioned by God but arranged by a false Prophet and child molester? Not a molester? Explain the picture of his bride (13 years old) on their 1st anniversary. If my math is correct that would have made her 12 when she married the dubious Prophet. Also, no one wants to admit to or acknowledge the cache of weapons found in the Temple in Texas. What would such a peaceful people need with automatic weapons?
Lynn A. Parker | 10:57 p.m. June 11, 2008
Those individuals expressing disapproval of the Des. News article have done your
research and that gives me hope that intelligent,compassionate Americans still
exist. You offer a more accurate and insightful understanding of the FLDS
culture; the negative and positive. As in any community and religion there are
good and bad people; such is the nature of humanity. For those implying that all
FLDS men are abusive and all FLDS women abused, controlled or brainwashed you
lack any credibility and in fact are quite laughable. Maybe the FBI should keep
an eye on those publishing such hatred. You are more menacing than any Willy
Jessop or Warren Jeffs.
$$$$ what's it to you? | 11:06 p.m. June 11, 2008
Re: $$$$ Lynn A Parker
What's it to you?
What's it to you?
Still waiting.... | 11:09 p.m. June 11, 2008
....for someone to explain where the heck Merrill Jessop is and why, if
he's done nothing wrong, is in hiding?
I'm also waiting for people so upset about this raid to explain why CPS was wrong for doing this, yet Warren Jeffs gets a free pass for tearing apart and "reassigning" families for years? Why no outcry when this occurs?
I'm also waiting for people so upset about this raid to explain why CPS was wrong for doing this, yet Warren Jeffs gets a free pass for tearing apart and "reassigning" families for years? Why no outcry when this occurs?
I agree with still waiting | 11:45 p.m. June 11, 2008
There is so much wrong with this community. The people believed in their
prophet when he told them false teachings and persuaded young girls to marry old
men and reassigned families...but when he tells them he is not a prophet, they
don't believe him. These people are in trouble. So many of their posts
are written by uneducated members.
Maz2331 | 11:49 p.m. June 11, 2008
PW Hemphill Wrote:
"Perhaps instead of looking out for FLDS assassins, Judge Walther should be looking out for US Federal Agents trying to arrest her for various civil-rights violations."
Actually, there is a finally succinct and accurate post. The reason is that CPS held several women over the age of 18 as juviniles in custody while denying the validity of ID cards.
Uh oh. Big mistake.
That IS a serious "go to jail, go directly to jail, do not collect $200" mistake. It's a Federal civil rights criminal offense. And, no, "we're protecting children" won't cut it there.
Adults can never, ever, be imprisoned like that. One day, week, or hour... it's time for the arrestor to become the arrestee.
And all who aided and abetted need to go to.
Oh.. and to those who bungled this whole thing...
On behalf of the public everywhere, "Thanks for making it even HARDER to bust these people later!"
"Perhaps instead of looking out for FLDS assassins, Judge Walther should be looking out for US Federal Agents trying to arrest her for various civil-rights violations."
Actually, there is a finally succinct and accurate post. The reason is that CPS held several women over the age of 18 as juviniles in custody while denying the validity of ID cards.
Uh oh. Big mistake.
That IS a serious "go to jail, go directly to jail, do not collect $200" mistake. It's a Federal civil rights criminal offense. And, no, "we're protecting children" won't cut it there.
Adults can never, ever, be imprisoned like that. One day, week, or hour... it's time for the arrestor to become the arrestee.
And all who aided and abetted need to go to.
Oh.. and to those who bungled this whole thing...
On behalf of the public everywhere, "Thanks for making it even HARDER to bust these people later!"
Bob Carnale | 11:49 p.m. June 11, 2008
First of all admit that those FLDS folks look real spooky with the hairdoos and
dresses. There's something real disturbing here.
Second, the CPS should go to the 3rd and 5th ward of Houston and round up every child without a Father. 50% of these children drop out of school and 50% will turn out to be murderers, thiefs, rapists etc.
That's the real travesty here. We always nail the wrong folks. Elian, Waco, Ruby Ridge. I see the CPS getting their heals locked together just like the ATF did after Waco.... I am looking forward to the outcome i.e. parents taking control of their children again without fear...
Second, the CPS should go to the 3rd and 5th ward of Houston and round up every child without a Father. 50% of these children drop out of school and 50% will turn out to be murderers, thiefs, rapists etc.
That's the real travesty here. We always nail the wrong folks. Elian, Waco, Ruby Ridge. I see the CPS getting their heals locked together just like the ATF did after Waco.... I am looking forward to the outcome i.e. parents taking control of their children again without fear...
Paul | 11:50 p.m. June 11, 2008
It's government disinformation. They're testing the waters. It's
part of a pattern. Soon, you'll be labelled dangerous and threatening if
you quote the First Amendment. I once thought that conspiracy theories about the
fast approach of Big Brother were crazy. Reality (seeing more proof each day)
shows me that they weren't.
Re: Paul | 12:03 a.m. June 12, 2008
You have absolutely no idea what the investigations into the FLDS communities
has founded. Do not speak as though you know all the facts. You don't.
Not everything is public knowledge.
Give me a break... | 12:19 a.m. June 12, 2008
RE: Paul
Give the government conspiracy theories a break. These law enforcement officers are normal men with normal families and contrary to your beliefs don't get their rocks off by accusing innocent people. Those with probable cause to be a potential threat obviously earned the reputation in their own communities by their own actions... no one is pulling the accusations out thin air but on statements given by witnesses in the previous investigation.
I don't know about you, but if it were me I'd want to know what I was up against, good bad or indifferent. It's called being prepared and doing your homework... not spouting out crazy conspiracy theories that come from watching too many sci-fi channel specials.
Give the government conspiracy theories a break. These law enforcement officers are normal men with normal families and contrary to your beliefs don't get their rocks off by accusing innocent people. Those with probable cause to be a potential threat obviously earned the reputation in their own communities by their own actions... no one is pulling the accusations out thin air but on statements given by witnesses in the previous investigation.
I don't know about you, but if it were me I'd want to know what I was up against, good bad or indifferent. It's called being prepared and doing your homework... not spouting out crazy conspiracy theories that come from watching too many sci-fi channel specials.
Janet | 12:19 a.m. June 12, 2008
To: John Lambert | 8:05 p.m. June 11, 2008
You asked for it bud, WilfordWoodruff signed away his rights to the Priesthood when he signed the manifesto. Joseph F. Smith was a great man because he was in harmony with God's Prophet John Wooley, he didn't do anything w/o first checking with John W. who told him if he sanctioned the manifesto the Lord would take him. JosephF. sweat bleed because he knew if he did not his blood would be on the hands of his "brethren". He sanctioned it and died shortly thereafter. The Lord arranged four years prior to the issuing of the Manifesto for the Priesthood authority to continue in administering the fullness of the Gospel, and so now the Mormon Church, which for sixty years was persecuted for the fullness of the Gospel, has become part of the world and turned persecutor itself. I have agreed with many of your comments and actually felt respect for you even though I really have no idea who you are. That respect is lessening rapidly. Warren Jeffs is the key holder, mouth piece, and fountain head of God at this time and he has the right to rule. Thanks.
You asked for it bud, WilfordWoodruff signed away his rights to the Priesthood when he signed the manifesto. Joseph F. Smith was a great man because he was in harmony with God's Prophet John Wooley, he didn't do anything w/o first checking with John W. who told him if he sanctioned the manifesto the Lord would take him. JosephF. sweat bleed because he knew if he did not his blood would be on the hands of his "brethren". He sanctioned it and died shortly thereafter. The Lord arranged four years prior to the issuing of the Manifesto for the Priesthood authority to continue in administering the fullness of the Gospel, and so now the Mormon Church, which for sixty years was persecuted for the fullness of the Gospel, has become part of the world and turned persecutor itself. I have agreed with many of your comments and actually felt respect for you even though I really have no idea who you are. That respect is lessening rapidly. Warren Jeffs is the key holder, mouth piece, and fountain head of God at this time and he has the right to rule. Thanks.
Government approved religion | 12:29 a.m. June 12, 2008
The problem is, FLDS is not a government approved religion. Is yours?
Gabriel | 12:39 a.m. June 12, 2008
I'm not religious at all and I certainly don't care about FLDS, per se
- what I do care about is the status of liberty and due process in the United
States of America. This so-called judge went so far beyond her authority that I
would be perfectly happy to see her retire instantaneously - and I'm not
exactly particular as to how. The authorities ought to be worried - they'd
best keep in mind that Our 2nd Amendment is ultimately intended to keep THEM in
check. If they don't want trouble, then they should operate within their
limits. In the meantime, it seems as if the FLDS is the group that ought be
posting guards.
Janet | 12:41 a.m. June 12, 2008
To: Home in Utah | 10:54 p.m. June 11, 2008
As has been stated before, is Texas capable of determinig anyones age? The "twelve year old" standing next to U. Warren (who is six feet tall and six inches) could be as old as thirty-six. Your intelligences are lacking if you belive that.
I believe that any marriage not preformed by the power and authority of God through his Prophet, or whomever he appoints is of no efficacy or force and will not apply after this life. I do not know what you believe and I do not ask you to believe as I do.
You are totally off key if you think there was any weapons in that Temple, that is false. You have been misinformed. The only weapon on the YFZ ranch was a bow and arrow used for harvesting the wild animals to supply the self-supporting residents with meat.
Say your prayers and ask God to bless you with the gift of discernment to know and understand the truth. I have, and I can testify to you that He hears and answers prayers, even in the very next breath. Thank you for your concern, Heaven bless you.
As has been stated before, is Texas capable of determinig anyones age? The "twelve year old" standing next to U. Warren (who is six feet tall and six inches) could be as old as thirty-six. Your intelligences are lacking if you belive that.
I believe that any marriage not preformed by the power and authority of God through his Prophet, or whomever he appoints is of no efficacy or force and will not apply after this life. I do not know what you believe and I do not ask you to believe as I do.
You are totally off key if you think there was any weapons in that Temple, that is false. You have been misinformed. The only weapon on the YFZ ranch was a bow and arrow used for harvesting the wild animals to supply the self-supporting residents with meat.
Say your prayers and ask God to bless you with the gift of discernment to know and understand the truth. I have, and I can testify to you that He hears and answers prayers, even in the very next breath. Thank you for your concern, Heaven bless you.
Get the issue straight... | 12:41 a.m. June 12, 2008
RE: Hypocrisy!
The "moral outrage" you speak of directed at the FLDS is not over how many wives these men have, but that they are forcing little girls into marriage and sexual relationships with grown men. We are talking girls 11, 12, 13 years old. These girls are being raped on a daily basis and severely beaten if they dare protest. Is it all of them, no. But honestly even one girl having to live in such a situation is inexcusable. And the thought that some people are so wrapped up in the 'live and let live' philosophy that they would stand by and let the abuse happen to avoid any waves is nauseating. Was it extreme snatching the children away, possibly. But there is no way that they would have been able to justify such a drastic move without a great deal of probable cause. If it saves a handful of girls from a lifetime of rape I say it's worth it.
***You can�t legislate morality but the government has legislated a legal age for marriage and no matter how you sugarcoat it, breaking the law is breaking the law.
The "moral outrage" you speak of directed at the FLDS is not over how many wives these men have, but that they are forcing little girls into marriage and sexual relationships with grown men. We are talking girls 11, 12, 13 years old. These girls are being raped on a daily basis and severely beaten if they dare protest. Is it all of them, no. But honestly even one girl having to live in such a situation is inexcusable. And the thought that some people are so wrapped up in the 'live and let live' philosophy that they would stand by and let the abuse happen to avoid any waves is nauseating. Was it extreme snatching the children away, possibly. But there is no way that they would have been able to justify such a drastic move without a great deal of probable cause. If it saves a handful of girls from a lifetime of rape I say it's worth it.
***You can�t legislate morality but the government has legislated a legal age for marriage and no matter how you sugarcoat it, breaking the law is breaking the law.
Warren Jeffs is the key holder? | 12:54 a.m. June 12, 2008
If Warren Jeffs is such a fountain head of God why did he himself denounce
himself as a prophet and insist that instead he is an evil man who deserves to
be punished. And those are words spoken from his very lips in a video taped
visitation with his brother. Don't believe it? The full visitation can be
seen on YouTube under the title 'Warren Jeffs Prison Video 1'. He
admits it himself as his brother writes the full confession which he later tried
to pass to the judge to try to worm his way out of facing punishment for the
crimes that he faced. He is a child molester and a coward... a far cry from a
man of God.
Paul | 12:53 a.m. June 12, 2008
To my predictable critics, get your heads out of the sand. First, I never
impugned the integrity of all law enforcement. Second, your statement that they
must have something on these people is complete and utter nonsense. The whole
two months of persecution, lies, civil rights violations, false imprisonment of
adults, gossip, innuendo, *and* (last but not least) a police-state style raid
based on a hoax phone call prove that the facts are on my side. That's not
to mention the Texas Supreme Court. I see the handwriting on the wall. You two
statists are too blind to see. BTW, for more proof of the fallibility of the
system you so blindly trust, look at all of the wrongly imprisoned people across
the country. Sheep!
Paul | 1:01 a.m. June 12, 2008
Get The Issue Straight, get your facts straight. Name one man, on this Texas
ranch, who has been convicted of *one* of those crimes. Name one who has even
been indicted.
karvictho | 1:13 a.m. June 12, 2008
True Separation of Church and State would put an end to lots of this baloney.
Remove tax incentives for religious organizations, and put our tax money into
medical care for all, education for all, and child care for all. That is what
will restore America to no. 1 and keep us strong. Down with self seeking and
self aggrandizing religious groups and tax dodgers, especially the corporate
ones.
Re: Get the issues straight | 1:20 a.m. June 12, 2008
If girls were being raped and beaten then the crime should be rape and assault
and those responsible should be prosecuted. According to everything I have
learned the crimes are only about polygamy laws. Why aren't other people
arrested for gay marriage or fornication? Please don't missunderstand me, I
do not advocate polygamy at all. Outside of rape and assault, why is it morally
wrong for a person to be married to more than one partner, but somehow, it is
just fine to fornicate? Sometimes it is even glorified..been to a movie lately?
stu | 1:36 a.m. June 12, 2008
you have to ask yourself - if what the police say is untrue or at best gross
exaggerations - then WHY are they doing it? One reason: talking up
"crime" reinforces the "need" for police.... cops around the
world do exactly the same thing... I've read such accusations thousands of
times... this is standard operation procedure for police. If local politicians
weren't so afraid of cops themselves, they might start to rein in all this
nonsense. I'm now convinced that police should NO direct public discourse
--- everything they do and say should be overseen by a citizen panel.... because
the "force" will never stop their fear tactics to make themselves look
better
KenL214 | 1:48 a.m. June 12, 2008
Great picture. Is this Janet Reno's little sister or what?!!
Pamela | 1:52 a.m. June 12, 2008
I think that hiding behind religion so that grown men can have sexual relations
with 13 year old girls constitutes an example of violence. I mean, can you
imagine what's worse?
Get the Issue Straight | 1:55 a.m. June 12, 2008
RE: Paul
It is apparent who has been indicated by anyone who reads the documents. It is clearly stated those who are considered a potential threat and those who are not. The dossiers are based on accusations made in the many witness interviews conducted during the previous trial. As to why these suspicions were not brought up then, it is customary to only release the information relevant to the current trial. Just because nothing was released to the public doesn't mean that anything is unfounded. It is foolish to believe you know all of the facts. Many detectives spent intense months investigating these communities and it would be a waste of their time to make useless accusations in a document that was never meant to be publicly released.
It is apparent who has been indicated by anyone who reads the documents. It is clearly stated those who are considered a potential threat and those who are not. The dossiers are based on accusations made in the many witness interviews conducted during the previous trial. As to why these suspicions were not brought up then, it is customary to only release the information relevant to the current trial. Just because nothing was released to the public doesn't mean that anything is unfounded. It is foolish to believe you know all of the facts. Many detectives spent intense months investigating these communities and it would be a waste of their time to make useless accusations in a document that was never meant to be publicly released.
predictable critic | 2:21 a.m. June 12, 2008
RE: Paul
Let me remind you that the Police-style raid (rather ironic as it WAS in fact the police) that you keep bringing up did in fact happen in Texas and NOT in Utah, which is where the dossiers originated. The only adults imprisoned in Utah were both fairly tried and prosecuted by a full jury. Warren, in his own words during a visitation with his brother, admitted that he is an evil man that deserved to be punished. Sound like the confession of an innocent man to you? So as for the integrity of the Utah law enforcement, that means that your "facts" mean exactly JACK.
As for all the innocent people imprisoned across the country... haven't you heard... they're all innocent! Go into any prison and 90% of them will tell you that they didn't do it... never mind if they were caught on tape, red handed or there were 52 eye-witnesses... it wasn't them! And to the VERY small percentage that are actually innocent, I'm sorry for them, but it really is a rarity. Go cry about the injustices of law enforcement to someone else... I know better.
Let me remind you that the Police-style raid (rather ironic as it WAS in fact the police) that you keep bringing up did in fact happen in Texas and NOT in Utah, which is where the dossiers originated. The only adults imprisoned in Utah were both fairly tried and prosecuted by a full jury. Warren, in his own words during a visitation with his brother, admitted that he is an evil man that deserved to be punished. Sound like the confession of an innocent man to you? So as for the integrity of the Utah law enforcement, that means that your "facts" mean exactly JACK.
As for all the innocent people imprisoned across the country... haven't you heard... they're all innocent! Go into any prison and 90% of them will tell you that they didn't do it... never mind if they were caught on tape, red handed or there were 52 eye-witnesses... it wasn't them! And to the VERY small percentage that are actually innocent, I'm sorry for them, but it really is a rarity. Go cry about the injustices of law enforcement to someone else... I know better.
klesb | 3:45 a.m. June 12, 2008
Wouldn't it be safer for us all if the judge was held in solitary until HER
kidnapping trial?
Clear head | 4:03 a.m. June 12, 2008
Texas Family & Children's Services was within their rights by
responding to the telephone call, whether a hoax or not, if they acted in good
faith that the call was real when it was received. There will be no
"billion dollar settlement" with the polygamists. Federal and State
laws prevent deep-pocket lawsuits against government entities. There is no
violation of civil liberties for the women over age 18 being held if there was
not sufficient evidence to substantiate that they were of legal age.
Someone's word or a home-made ID card is insufficient. There were underage
girls being molested and forced into marriage. That is illegal. The Judge, FCS
and law enforcement did their jobs as defined by law. They did nothing
criminal. The Judge, FCS and law enforcement ALL deserve protection. To
suggest that it is not needed is ridiculous. Better to spend the money to
protect them than to not spend it and regret it forever. Polygamist families
are bleeding the welfare system dry, as the 2nd wives and on are considered
single parents. That is an abuse of the system. If you can't support your
children, you shouldn't expect the state to do so.
Cynthia | 4:06 a.m. June 12, 2008
Read the book "Escape" by Caroline Jessop. She was born and raised in
a polygamist sect in Arizona that was taken over by Warren Jeffs. (He later
moved to Texas.) She barely escaped from the sect with her eight children. She
states that Jeffs outlawed books, newspapers, TVs, radios, and even the color
red. She also shares that "torture" of animals was used to keep
children in line. She also shares that, when he took over as
"prophet," later calling himself "Jesus," he began to marry
girls off at an increasingly younger age. And he separated already married
couples by giving the wives to other men. This was considered normal: the
prophet received "revelations" from God revealing who should marry
whom.
Question | 4:24 a.m. June 12, 2008
TO: Former FLDS Wife From My Book
What is the name of your book? Has it been published yet?
What is the name of your book? Has it been published yet?
FLDS- enforcers? | 4:58 a.m. June 12, 2008
there are 706,600 Texans in prison, jail, parole or probation on any given day.
In a state with 14 million adults, this means that 5% of adult Texans, or 1 out
of every 20, are under some form of criminal justice supervision. The scale of
what is happening in Texas is so huge, it is difficult to contrast the size of
its criminal justice systems to the other states' systems it dwarfs:
* There are more Texans under criminal justice control than the entire populations of some states, including Vermont, Wyoming and Alaska.. And working on Utah **** And they say the FLDS are a threat.... Sheeeesh!
* There are more Texans under criminal justice control than the entire populations of some states, including Vermont, Wyoming and Alaska.. And working on Utah **** And they say the FLDS are a threat.... Sheeeesh!
Wacko in Waco | 5:15 a.m. June 12, 2008
Hmmm, Governor's mansion destroyed by fire.
john smith | 6:00 a.m. June 12, 2008
This sounds like a government trick to save face. We done bad now we is gonna
act like we is in danger so we can stand on some kinda moral ground........Oh
TEXAS............ I thought I knew U bedder.
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