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Deseret News candidate questionnaire: GOP challenger Jason Chaffetz
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Bob G | 5:28 a.m. June 11, 2008
These politicians still don't get it on the illegals and businessmen in
Utah and america. The illegals don't want to be legalized or made
accountable, thay have it too easy and its too beneficial to live in their
undergournd cities. The illegals are not going to voluntary deport themselves
and give up the billions of tax free income, then they would be traceable and
taxable. The employers would have to start paying the due federal taxes like
Social Security, Medicare, and medicade taxes, so the employers are against
identifying any illegals or proving their legal status. Present verify laws only
verify an illegal is using someone elses identity for employment. The program is
a fraud. The IRS and the SSA reports to the employer the identity doesn't
match. Federal and State government needs use the resources of the IRS and the
SSA to track down employers violating laws and evading taxes. Isn't tax
evasion still illegal? Deportation must be 100% enforcement or it will never
work. Deportation can be done while saving billions to americans. States need to
be empowered and forced to deport illegals when caught so they don't become
a further burden to the states and american people.
Robert H | 8:10 a.m. June 11, 2008
Mr Chaffetz talks about each member of congress having political capital to
spend, and he will spend his on immigration issues.
That sounds great, but he has completely missed Washington DC. It is a seniority town, meaning as a freshman he has absolutely ZERO capital. Does he seriously think that the Speaker of the House, or Minority Leader is going to wonder, or even care what he thinks? Why is it that so many bills are filed but never even get a single hearing in a committee? As a Freshman he has NO capital.
I was also surprised by what was NOT on his list of solutions for immigration. I know when he was running among the real right-wing delegates he would brag about doing a concentration camp in the desert where we could round up Hispanics. He even talked about this in his speech at the State Convention.
Now, he pretends like that wasn't his solution. Example of telling the convention delegate one thing, the primary voter another.
We learn more and more, and it isn't a good thing.
Sorry Mr Chaffetz, you don't get me vote.
That sounds great, but he has completely missed Washington DC. It is a seniority town, meaning as a freshman he has absolutely ZERO capital. Does he seriously think that the Speaker of the House, or Minority Leader is going to wonder, or even care what he thinks? Why is it that so many bills are filed but never even get a single hearing in a committee? As a Freshman he has NO capital.
I was also surprised by what was NOT on his list of solutions for immigration. I know when he was running among the real right-wing delegates he would brag about doing a concentration camp in the desert where we could round up Hispanics. He even talked about this in his speech at the State Convention.
Now, he pretends like that wasn't his solution. Example of telling the convention delegate one thing, the primary voter another.
We learn more and more, and it isn't a good thing.
Sorry Mr Chaffetz, you don't get me vote.
Jurri | 8:22 a.m. June 11, 2008
Sounds good to me, I am tired of the status quo. We need a change, hopefully we
will get one on June 24th. Let's send a message to all the currently
sitting members of congress that their jobs aren't safe unless they step
up.
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Anonymous | 9:07 a.m. June 11, 2008
Chaffetz is clearly the better choice. I truly believe that he will fight for
the things that are important to our district. I am so excited that we finally
have a great person to represent us!
arc | 9:55 a.m. June 11, 2008
Fire the Cannon. We need someone that votes the way they believe. Cannon
doesn't in many cases and then comes up with some lame excuse. He has stop
reponding to letters and emails. He has been in DC to long.
Anyone but Cannon.
Jason has good ideas, and listens. I would much rather have him back there in DC.
Anyone but Cannon.
Jason has good ideas, and listens. I would much rather have him back there in DC.
James | 10:34 a.m. June 11, 2008
Jason has good ideas? Jason supports amnesty.
Reread answer #2:
"We need a pathway to deportation. To facilitate this pathway to deportation, we should allow people currently here illegally to come forward and apply for a short-term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business."
He can call it what he wants. He can call it a rose. The fact of the matter, he is allowing those here in America already the ability to simply sign a piece of paper and all their sins are forgiven them. He is easier on illegals than Chris Cannon is.
Jason is very hypocritical!
He has spent the last two years thrashing Chris Cannon for amnesty, and now he proposes his own. How world class pathetic is that!
And he wants to be my congressman. Either he is completely dishonest or just plain lazy. In either case, no thanks!
Reread answer #2:
"We need a pathway to deportation. To facilitate this pathway to deportation, we should allow people currently here illegally to come forward and apply for a short-term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business."
He can call it what he wants. He can call it a rose. The fact of the matter, he is allowing those here in America already the ability to simply sign a piece of paper and all their sins are forgiven them. He is easier on illegals than Chris Cannon is.
Jason is very hypocritical!
He has spent the last two years thrashing Chris Cannon for amnesty, and now he proposes his own. How world class pathetic is that!
And he wants to be my congressman. Either he is completely dishonest or just plain lazy. In either case, no thanks!
AMNESTY! | 10:39 a.m. June 11, 2008
Chaffetz says that those who are already here illegally can go get a temporary
work visa and stay in the country with no additional penalty? THAT'S
AMNESTY!!! You can call it "pathway to deportation" but it's
still amnesty. You are rewarding these people for being in the country
illegally. Be consistent, Jason. Do you or do you not support amnesty?!
Sallie | 11:01 a.m. June 11, 2008
Uh, if you FINISH READING, he goes on to say:
"The visa will be for a specified time. At the conclusion of the visa, the illegal immigrant must return to his or her country of origin, or face serious criminal consequences."
But, in typical blind "I-support-Cannon-because-he's-paying-my-bills" fashion, some of you folks are seeing what you are told to see. Fact is, Jason has a clear vision of what he will do and I believe him when he says he will not waver from that. He is a man with focus. He's demonstrated that focus in many other things he's done in his life.
"The visa will be for a specified time. At the conclusion of the visa, the illegal immigrant must return to his or her country of origin, or face serious criminal consequences."
But, in typical blind "I-support-Cannon-because-he's-paying-my-bills" fashion, some of you folks are seeing what you are told to see. Fact is, Jason has a clear vision of what he will do and I believe him when he says he will not waver from that. He is a man with focus. He's demonstrated that focus in many other things he's done in his life.
Roger | 11:05 a.m. June 11, 2008
I am not totally satisfied with Cannon, but when you talk about solutions to
immigration he is there. It is the majority in congress who agree with
Chaffetz. Why change from original thought to someone who goes with the herd?
It amazes me how people will trip over themselves to condemn Texas for taking 463 children from their families, yet think it is O.K. to take 12 million men, women, and children and send them to whatever country they came from. The interesting thing is that this truly is an American sentiment; Americans have had an irrational fear/hate of immigrants for over 150 years. The Republican party was founded partly by the liberal Know Nothings who had anti-immigration as a significant part of their platform. What a fine tradition.
I will be voting for the compassionate and real world candidate, Chris Cannon.
It amazes me how people will trip over themselves to condemn Texas for taking 463 children from their families, yet think it is O.K. to take 12 million men, women, and children and send them to whatever country they came from. The interesting thing is that this truly is an American sentiment; Americans have had an irrational fear/hate of immigrants for over 150 years. The Republican party was founded partly by the liberal Know Nothings who had anti-immigration as a significant part of their platform. What a fine tradition.
I will be voting for the compassionate and real world candidate, Chris Cannon.
Robert H | 12:15 p.m. June 11, 2008
Sallie, you do a disservice when you claim that anyone who defends Cannon is on
the payroll. I don't think all tens-of-thousands of primary voters are on
the payroll, I'm not.
You can go to say what you want but the catch is that Jason supports allowing those who came here illegally to simply get a visa. And ALL Guest Worker visa programs are temporary. All of them require the worker to go home once it expires. Jason has simply borrowed this concept from any number of a dozen or more Guest Worker visa programs, including Cannon's.
Let's face it, during the convention talking about putting all illegal aliens in some sort of desert detention facility, and now he is talking about giving all illegal aliens a work visa.
Which is it?
And by asking the question or pointing out the impossibility of it doesn't mean I work for Cannon. I means Chaffetz is inconsistent.
Red meat to the delegates, thoughtful reforms to the primary voters.
And Chaffetz' plan applies to 20 million illegal aliens! 20 million!
Cannon only proposes allowing less than 2 million, and under stricter conditions than Jason does.
Jason is far more liberal on this issue.
You can go to say what you want but the catch is that Jason supports allowing those who came here illegally to simply get a visa. And ALL Guest Worker visa programs are temporary. All of them require the worker to go home once it expires. Jason has simply borrowed this concept from any number of a dozen or more Guest Worker visa programs, including Cannon's.
Let's face it, during the convention talking about putting all illegal aliens in some sort of desert detention facility, and now he is talking about giving all illegal aliens a work visa.
Which is it?
And by asking the question or pointing out the impossibility of it doesn't mean I work for Cannon. I means Chaffetz is inconsistent.
Red meat to the delegates, thoughtful reforms to the primary voters.
And Chaffetz' plan applies to 20 million illegal aliens! 20 million!
Cannon only proposes allowing less than 2 million, and under stricter conditions than Jason does.
Jason is far more liberal on this issue.
Mom to legal immigrants | 12:30 p.m. June 11, 2008
Compassion? Yes, there should be some - that would be the guest worker program
where people return home at the end of the specified time period instead of
going to jail.
You can't possibly have dealt with USCIS (INS), or you would know how very broken the immigration system is.
We are a country built on immigrants. Most of my children are immigrants. Legal immigrants.
I'm pro-immigration. Pro LEGAL immigration. Come to the US legally, join the work force, and build a life for yourself while you contribute to our country. Right now, though, people can come across our very porous borders, get free (paid by me) healthcare, free education, driver's licenses, tuition breaks at in-state colleges and tax-free wages, 'cause they're sure not gonna report their illegal status, now are they?
Why is it so HARD to immigrate legally? Why does our government block husbands, wives, or children from joining their US citizen families while letting MILLIONS be here illegally? Where's the compassion for those trying to follow the rule of law? There is none. It's too bad, so sad. Getting here illegally is MUCH easier.
All I can say is: go Jason!
You can't possibly have dealt with USCIS (INS), or you would know how very broken the immigration system is.
We are a country built on immigrants. Most of my children are immigrants. Legal immigrants.
I'm pro-immigration. Pro LEGAL immigration. Come to the US legally, join the work force, and build a life for yourself while you contribute to our country. Right now, though, people can come across our very porous borders, get free (paid by me) healthcare, free education, driver's licenses, tuition breaks at in-state colleges and tax-free wages, 'cause they're sure not gonna report their illegal status, now are they?
Why is it so HARD to immigrate legally? Why does our government block husbands, wives, or children from joining their US citizen families while letting MILLIONS be here illegally? Where's the compassion for those trying to follow the rule of law? There is none. It's too bad, so sad. Getting here illegally is MUCH easier.
All I can say is: go Jason!
DCF | 12:46 p.m. June 11, 2008
So Jason is compassionate? Why then does he want to place every illegal alien in
a tent in the desert while they are deported?
Jason has not been consistent and you should read all of the comments from his supporters just in today's deseret news.
One Jason supporters tells us Jason is going to incarcerate all those who came here illegally in a tent in the desert.
Another Jason supporter tells us he is not supporting amnesty because his guest worker visa is only short term, without telling us how short term it is.
Now you are telling us Jason is compassionate with on the subject.
I am reading three different messages about Jason, all coming from his supporters.
When you tell so many people so many different things eventually it will come back to haunt you. It seems that it is all coming out today.
Sadly, Jason has not been consistent.
Jason has not been consistent and you should read all of the comments from his supporters just in today's deseret news.
One Jason supporters tells us Jason is going to incarcerate all those who came here illegally in a tent in the desert.
Another Jason supporter tells us he is not supporting amnesty because his guest worker visa is only short term, without telling us how short term it is.
Now you are telling us Jason is compassionate with on the subject.
I am reading three different messages about Jason, all coming from his supporters.
When you tell so many people so many different things eventually it will come back to haunt you. It seems that it is all coming out today.
Sadly, Jason has not been consistent.
Convention speech? | 1:06 p.m. June 11, 2008
Yeah, what about the desert incarceration? Where's Jason's state
convention speech in all of this talk about illegal immigration? Did he change
his mind about it? Did he realize that it was a bad idea? Is he trying to shift
his platform to pander to the more moderate primary voter?
In his convention speech he said nothing about this "pathway to deportation"; he only said that he emphatically rejects amnesty. Now he wants to give illegals here a guest worker visa to make them legal?
In his convention speech he said nothing about this "pathway to deportation"; he only said that he emphatically rejects amnesty. Now he wants to give illegals here a guest worker visa to make them legal?
BBKing | 1:29 p.m. June 11, 2008
Dear Convention speech? 1:06 pm, you are so right on the money.
I have also noted that many of the Chaffetz people are claiming Cannon voted for NAFTA.
NAFTA passed in 1993. Cannon wasn't a Congressman until 1997, election held in 1996. He didn't vote for it.
This campaign season has been meaner than even the Jacob's campaign of 2 years ago.
Just like Jacob, Chaffetz attacks Cannon for Amnesty. And then just like Jacob Chaffetz proposes his own amnesty. Only his applies to 20 million people! Not even John Jacob or Chris Cannon came up with such a liberal proposal. Jacob's proposal would have supported roughly half that, Cannon's less than 2 million.
In any case, Chaffetz clearly supports a very liberal amnesty plan, while attacking Cannon over it.
Now they are claiming Cannon voted for NAFTA when he wasn't even in Congress.
Oh, so many reasons to support Chris Cannon, and wish Jason the best of luck in the private sector.
I have also noted that many of the Chaffetz people are claiming Cannon voted for NAFTA.
NAFTA passed in 1993. Cannon wasn't a Congressman until 1997, election held in 1996. He didn't vote for it.
This campaign season has been meaner than even the Jacob's campaign of 2 years ago.
Just like Jacob, Chaffetz attacks Cannon for Amnesty. And then just like Jacob Chaffetz proposes his own amnesty. Only his applies to 20 million people! Not even John Jacob or Chris Cannon came up with such a liberal proposal. Jacob's proposal would have supported roughly half that, Cannon's less than 2 million.
In any case, Chaffetz clearly supports a very liberal amnesty plan, while attacking Cannon over it.
Now they are claiming Cannon voted for NAFTA when he wasn't even in Congress.
Oh, so many reasons to support Chris Cannon, and wish Jason the best of luck in the private sector.
Mom | 1:36 p.m. June 11, 2008
I'm sorry, but I just can't figure out what you're saying.
"Jason is compassionate with on the subject" What are you getting at?
And btw, I don't think felons deserve compassion and better treatment than the average joe. I'm talking about the drug runners, the thieves, the gang members that are ALSO illegal immigrants. Sorry, but a tent in Arizona, wearing pink jumpsuits is a whole lot better than the treatment they'd get in some countries.
Obviously, your job on the boards is to stir the pot, create chaos and not address real issues. Since you can't address the issues, you attack supporters. It's no wonder folks don't want to "get involved" - sheesh!
So how about these: Cannon said he doesn't support federal education mandates, yet he voted twice for NCLB. He supports NAFTA, the WTO and doesn't see anything wrong with trading with nations with abysmal human-rights records. He voted AGAINST multiple energy reform bills, including one with tax breaks for energy conservation. He thinks congress should lift limits on campaign donations and is pro-earmarks, something the majority of constituents oppose.
I'm still voting for Jason. So is my husband, my son and almost all neighbors.
And btw, I don't think felons deserve compassion and better treatment than the average joe. I'm talking about the drug runners, the thieves, the gang members that are ALSO illegal immigrants. Sorry, but a tent in Arizona, wearing pink jumpsuits is a whole lot better than the treatment they'd get in some countries.
Obviously, your job on the boards is to stir the pot, create chaos and not address real issues. Since you can't address the issues, you attack supporters. It's no wonder folks don't want to "get involved" - sheesh!
So how about these: Cannon said he doesn't support federal education mandates, yet he voted twice for NCLB. He supports NAFTA, the WTO and doesn't see anything wrong with trading with nations with abysmal human-rights records. He voted AGAINST multiple energy reform bills, including one with tax breaks for energy conservation. He thinks congress should lift limits on campaign donations and is pro-earmarks, something the majority of constituents oppose.
I'm still voting for Jason. So is my husband, my son and almost all neighbors.
Hello MOM | 2:27 p.m. June 11, 2008
Hello MOM: who told you Cannon voted twice for NCLB? That's a lie. He not
only did not vote for it twice, he voted the first time for something completely
different than what we have now.
After NCLB passed initially, the Dept. of Ed. redefined the role of NCLB. Cannon put together a committee to research out the effects and gather evidence to support or deny reauthorizaion of NCLB. The report supported his position. Happily he voted NOT to reauthorize it.
I can't believe how many false statements I hear about Cannon's record. The Library of Congress is easily accessed! Don't any of you us it? Because of all the things Chaffetz has said about Cannon, I researched everything. THEY ALL ARE LIES. EVERYONE was a lie! Chaffetz isn't consistent: He's not in the district; he's a successful businessman? It's beem reported he's been fired for cause TWICE; fiscal conservative but lives in million dollar house (3 kids)?; now complaints are being filed about FEC violations (Not by Cannon-dont try that).
People, wake up! What to know the truth about Chaffetz comments? Google "The Right Wing of The Eagle" for facts from LOC records.
NO FOOL: ABSOLUTELY CANNON!
After NCLB passed initially, the Dept. of Ed. redefined the role of NCLB. Cannon put together a committee to research out the effects and gather evidence to support or deny reauthorizaion of NCLB. The report supported his position. Happily he voted NOT to reauthorize it.
I can't believe how many false statements I hear about Cannon's record. The Library of Congress is easily accessed! Don't any of you us it? Because of all the things Chaffetz has said about Cannon, I researched everything. THEY ALL ARE LIES. EVERYONE was a lie! Chaffetz isn't consistent: He's not in the district; he's a successful businessman? It's beem reported he's been fired for cause TWICE; fiscal conservative but lives in million dollar house (3 kids)?; now complaints are being filed about FEC violations (Not by Cannon-dont try that).
People, wake up! What to know the truth about Chaffetz comments? Google "The Right Wing of The Eagle" for facts from LOC records.
NO FOOL: ABSOLUTELY CANNON!
BBKing | 4:40 p.m. June 11, 2008
Stir up the pot?
The problem seems to be that Jason has told several different versions of what he wants to do with immigration. And now the Chaffetz supporters are unable to consistently tell us what their man is supporting.
Jason started this by saying he wanted to do camps in the desert. This offends the senses of many because the last time Utah was involved in this it was rounding up Japanese-Americans. It is then clarified that these would only be incarceration camps for those who came here illegally, like the Tent facilities that Sherriff Joe set up in Phoenix.
Then just today we learn that Jason is supporting a Guest Worker amnesty program for 20 million people.
By pointing out the MAJOR inconsistency, I am stirring up the pot? I guess you are right. Jason wants to change direction 180 degrees with no one calling him on the carpet for it. If he is giving Guest Worker visas to everyone, why the need for tents in the desert?
Mom, the rest of your issues with Cannon come from the Democratic Party game plan. Sorry, if you were in Congress you would be voting with the democratic party.
The problem seems to be that Jason has told several different versions of what he wants to do with immigration. And now the Chaffetz supporters are unable to consistently tell us what their man is supporting.
Jason started this by saying he wanted to do camps in the desert. This offends the senses of many because the last time Utah was involved in this it was rounding up Japanese-Americans. It is then clarified that these would only be incarceration camps for those who came here illegally, like the Tent facilities that Sherriff Joe set up in Phoenix.
Then just today we learn that Jason is supporting a Guest Worker amnesty program for 20 million people.
By pointing out the MAJOR inconsistency, I am stirring up the pot? I guess you are right. Jason wants to change direction 180 degrees with no one calling him on the carpet for it. If he is giving Guest Worker visas to everyone, why the need for tents in the desert?
Mom, the rest of your issues with Cannon come from the Democratic Party game plan. Sorry, if you were in Congress you would be voting with the democratic party.
Consistency | 5:39 p.m. June 11, 2008
What I heard in the cottage meeting is exactly the same as what Jason submitted
to this questionnaire and what he has said in his convention speech. Jason has
no consistency problem - his detractors do.
What isn't consistent is the misinformation about his position from people who certainly know better. James, Robert and BBKing have been on these boards long enough to know exactly what Chaffetz has proposed in the desert. It applies only to FUGITIVE aliens - those who have been convicted of a crime and deported, but refused to leave. And it's already being done with great success.
Yet you continue to spin the position as a proposal to put people of Hispanic dissent in a concentration camp - as if he wants to gas people for being from Mexico. I've seen people correct you. I've read Jason's official positions, been to his meetings, and visited his website. There's no way you are ignorant of his real position.
The reason people assume you are Cannon staffers is because you don't seem too interested in the truth.
What isn't consistent is the misinformation about his position from people who certainly know better. James, Robert and BBKing have been on these boards long enough to know exactly what Chaffetz has proposed in the desert. It applies only to FUGITIVE aliens - those who have been convicted of a crime and deported, but refused to leave. And it's already being done with great success.
Yet you continue to spin the position as a proposal to put people of Hispanic dissent in a concentration camp - as if he wants to gas people for being from Mexico. I've seen people correct you. I've read Jason's official positions, been to his meetings, and visited his website. There's no way you are ignorant of his real position.
The reason people assume you are Cannon staffers is because you don't seem too interested in the truth.
Just a guy | 6:36 p.m. June 11, 2008
Chaffetz claims to be a fiscal conservative, let's examine that.
His ConcenChaffetz camps will mean that;
We will have to fix up Topaz and other internment camps.
We then have to buy acres of barbed wire (it will cost extra to run electricity through them.)
Then we will still have to buy 20 million pink jumpsuits. (Where do they even sell those? Maybe Jason could use his �business experience� from Nuskin to start a pyramid scam to sell them!)
This doesn�t sound very fiscally conservative to me!
Chaffetz will say whatever it takes to get power. I say voters should reject pandering! I am all for replacing Cannon but let's find someone who is at least a little bit honest and LIVES IN THE THIRD DISTRICT!
His ConcenChaffetz camps will mean that;
We will have to fix up Topaz and other internment camps.
We then have to buy acres of barbed wire (it will cost extra to run electricity through them.)
Then we will still have to buy 20 million pink jumpsuits. (Where do they even sell those? Maybe Jason could use his �business experience� from Nuskin to start a pyramid scam to sell them!)
This doesn�t sound very fiscally conservative to me!
Chaffetz will say whatever it takes to get power. I say voters should reject pandering! I am all for replacing Cannon but let's find someone who is at least a little bit honest and LIVES IN THE THIRD DISTRICT!
Careful Consistency | 8:12 p.m. June 11, 2008
This is a typical example of the acid that is becoming regular talk amoung our
citizens. Attacking supporters of one candidate because they are critical of the
stand of the opposing candidate is only a reflection of our decaying society. Is
this the kind of people a candidate attracts? This election will certainly go
into the history books less than the social psychology texts as proof of a
deteriorating society.
I was at the convention too. I don't recall Chaffetz ever clarifying who he would isolate in the desert. Whether others do or do not do a thing is not a reason we should do it. His plan is naive and ridiculously flawed, plagued with torturous logistical problems.
As to consistency: Chaffetz has consistently misrepresented his opponent. I investigated the claims Chaffetz makes: BOLOGNA! Have any of you even bothered to study and understand Cannon's record? Instead of relying on naivete I read Thomas/LOC. Chaffetz even made up some of the stuff outright! completely lied!
Never heard so many hateful people behind a candidate in my life! This nastiness mirrors your candidate. Not interested in a lying, acidic congressman! My family and I go Cannon as well as our neighbors!
I was at the convention too. I don't recall Chaffetz ever clarifying who he would isolate in the desert. Whether others do or do not do a thing is not a reason we should do it. His plan is naive and ridiculously flawed, plagued with torturous logistical problems.
As to consistency: Chaffetz has consistently misrepresented his opponent. I investigated the claims Chaffetz makes: BOLOGNA! Have any of you even bothered to study and understand Cannon's record? Instead of relying on naivete I read Thomas/LOC. Chaffetz even made up some of the stuff outright! completely lied!
Never heard so many hateful people behind a candidate in my life! This nastiness mirrors your candidate. Not interested in a lying, acidic congressman! My family and I go Cannon as well as our neighbors!
BBKing | 8:25 p.m. June 11, 2008
Dear Consistency, lets talk about consistency.
Jason never said 'only criminal aliens' go to the internment camps. His supporters right here on the Desnews have clarified that they would incarcerate all illegal aliens.
Now that they are being called on the rug for it they are saying only criminal aliens. Criminal as in they committed a crime after coming to America illegally.
Now let's talk consistency. Jason has aggressively attacked Cannon for offering amnestys. I have heard his supporters refer to Cannon as the "King of Amnesty."
So just today we get Chaffetz' position. If you are here illegally and have a work sponsor you get a work visa. That would apply to 20 million people.
Where is the consistency in that? He is now proposing the exact same thing that Cannon has proposed but much broader, much easier and no penalties/fees, nothing. Just hand out 20 million visas. It is without a doubt the easiest visa anyone in America has proposed. Even Kennedy proposed something with more teeth.
Chaffetz supports internment camps for convention, now Guest Worker Amnesty visas for 20 million people.
You are absolutely right consistency is a MAJOR problem in this campaign for Chaffetz.
Jason never said 'only criminal aliens' go to the internment camps. His supporters right here on the Desnews have clarified that they would incarcerate all illegal aliens.
Now that they are being called on the rug for it they are saying only criminal aliens. Criminal as in they committed a crime after coming to America illegally.
Now let's talk consistency. Jason has aggressively attacked Cannon for offering amnestys. I have heard his supporters refer to Cannon as the "King of Amnesty."
So just today we get Chaffetz' position. If you are here illegally and have a work sponsor you get a work visa. That would apply to 20 million people.
Where is the consistency in that? He is now proposing the exact same thing that Cannon has proposed but much broader, much easier and no penalties/fees, nothing. Just hand out 20 million visas. It is without a doubt the easiest visa anyone in America has proposed. Even Kennedy proposed something with more teeth.
Chaffetz supports internment camps for convention, now Guest Worker Amnesty visas for 20 million people.
You are absolutely right consistency is a MAJOR problem in this campaign for Chaffetz.
Greg | 10:10 p.m. June 11, 2008
Hey I think Jason has some valid points. He is based on the beliefs the founding
fathers had in upholding the constitution which many have forgotten about. The
status quo have not stepped up let the know that their jobs are on the line.
Let's get back to our conservative principals and give Jason a chance.
decided | 3:03 p.m. June 12, 2008
I enjoyed reading the many well-reasoned arguments against each other's
candidate. And I have to say, you've convinced me. Neither one is up to
the job.
David Edward Garber | 5:56 p.m. June 12, 2008
Wow! With few exceptions, that sure sounds like what I'd like from my
Representative in Congress. Cannon, although certainly better than his
predecessor, has let me down too many times, sadly. I'd say that it's
time for an improvement. Chaffetz has my vote on June 24th.
Alan D | 6:08 p.m. June 12, 2008
I have tried to talk to Chris regarding the problems with illegal immigration.
His response: "It's complex and I don't think you can understand
the issues."
Trust me, I understand. I understand that illegal immigration has been one of the most contentious issues for several years now.
I understand that Chris received an award from MALDEF for his efforts to support illegals.
I understand that Chris took some credit in his acceptance speach for using the Matricular Consular card as identification from Mexico.
I read what he said when he accepted the award and claime that "in Utah, we don't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants".
The problem is, our current policies toward illegal immigration just assures that there will be a class of people who will be held down as long as they cannot provide documentation. The illegals are victims in all of this. We should demand that our government (That's Chris and his friends) provides a way for people to come here and work LEGALLY. We need to know who is here, how they will pay for their needs, who has criminal records and who will be an asset to this country.
Trust me, I understand. I understand that illegal immigration has been one of the most contentious issues for several years now.
I understand that Chris received an award from MALDEF for his efforts to support illegals.
I understand that Chris took some credit in his acceptance speach for using the Matricular Consular card as identification from Mexico.
I read what he said when he accepted the award and claime that "in Utah, we don't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants".
The problem is, our current policies toward illegal immigration just assures that there will be a class of people who will be held down as long as they cannot provide documentation. The illegals are victims in all of this. We should demand that our government (That's Chris and his friends) provides a way for people to come here and work LEGALLY. We need to know who is here, how they will pay for their needs, who has criminal records and who will be an asset to this country.
ross58 | 7:27 p.m. June 12, 2008
BBKING:
You're right. I mistakenly wrote "Voted" for NAFTA. My sincere apology to all.
Mr. Cannon DOES SUPPORT NAFTA, I have been led to believe he also supports all the other fair trade agreements, i.e. CAFTA. I believe they are a threat to American sovereignty, and despite sounding Obamaesque (I need to give that one to President Bush), they DO take jobs away from American workers, (Not to be confused with the illegal immigrant migrant farmer laborers.
Jason Chaffetz DOES NOT support NAFTA and hence another reason for my support for him.
You're right. I mistakenly wrote "Voted" for NAFTA. My sincere apology to all.
Mr. Cannon DOES SUPPORT NAFTA, I have been led to believe he also supports all the other fair trade agreements, i.e. CAFTA. I believe they are a threat to American sovereignty, and despite sounding Obamaesque (I need to give that one to President Bush), they DO take jobs away from American workers, (Not to be confused with the illegal immigrant migrant farmer laborers.
Jason Chaffetz DOES NOT support NAFTA and hence another reason for my support for him.
Emily E. | 9:09 p.m. June 12, 2008
I have to say that my biggest qualm with Cannon is not his voting record. To be
completely honest, it's okay. Not great, but it's okay. One of my
biggest problems is that he wastes his time on legislation that really
doesn't matter to me (rental car rates, credit card transaction rates).
It's only in the last little while as a PR stunt that he's done
anything on energy. It's a bit ridiculous that after 12 years he's
just barely starting on this. So, he may be voting on this, but we need someone
to be proactive and sponsor legislation to help with real issues. The other big
problem I have is a lack of communication. I never get any responses to my
letters or calls anymore. Which is why I will be voting for real change, Jason
Chaffetz.
Bradley Reneer | 9:30 p.m. June 12, 2008
Cannon's record on illegal immigration is abysmal and it seems that the
strategy here for Cannon on this issue is to counter attack ferociously with the
intent to confuse.
If you want to be further confused by word games then read Cannon's comments over the years, such as this gem from August 2001. "We're talking about a process that people here don't get amnesty, but go through a legal process over time to establish a permanent status." When asked if permanent meant citizenship he said "People who have permanent status already have a path to citizenship."
It's this confusing two sided approach that had him in hot water in the past.
Still I'm surprised at the heated effort in this forum by the Cannon folks. For people that feel strongly about immigration there is little they can do to redeem Cannon. They should look for a topic on which they have a chance of convincing us to support Cannon instead of Chaffetz.
If you want to be further confused by word games then read Cannon's comments over the years, such as this gem from August 2001. "We're talking about a process that people here don't get amnesty, but go through a legal process over time to establish a permanent status." When asked if permanent meant citizenship he said "People who have permanent status already have a path to citizenship."
It's this confusing two sided approach that had him in hot water in the past.
Still I'm surprised at the heated effort in this forum by the Cannon folks. For people that feel strongly about immigration there is little they can do to redeem Cannon. They should look for a topic on which they have a chance of convincing us to support Cannon instead of Chaffetz.
David Gonzalez | 3:35 p.m. June 13, 2008
I�m an unaffiliated voter in Utah County. Which means that
I�m just as irrelevant as a democrat but a tad more
interesting than a republican *snickers* (though I�ve just
registered as a republican �cause it�s
boring being irrelevant). I�m struggling to find a place
and a party affiliation since I tend to stand on principle but have to live in
reality.
Principle says I want to protect my middle class life. The realities is we have a an enormous national debt (which seems to happen when a nation goes to war) but more scary is that we�re operating at a trade deficit and we�re paying through the nose for bread and gas (with little reserves to temper prices).
>>>
Principle says I want to protect my middle class life. The realities is we have a an enormous national debt (which seems to happen when a nation goes to war) but more scary is that we�re operating at a trade deficit and we�re paying through the nose for bread and gas (with little reserves to temper prices).
>>>
David Gonzalez | 3:36 p.m. June 13, 2008
>>>
Principle says immigrants broke the law (someone please point out the line in the sand that doesn�t say everyone that�s not a native American is an immigrant). Reality begs the question: If we�ve got all this labor available can we shift the demand curve to 1) better monitize the labor force (e.g. stop with free ride on getting people to pick lettuce and clean hotels) 2) turn that into a win-win (e.g. I get to buy things I want and I don�t have to pay through the nose for it). So I like immediate fuel on tap (but can Cannon actually make his shale dream happen?)
Anyone with input, let�s have it, you�re shaping an new republican. P.S. what did Jason convert from to find himself a mormon and republican?(I�m curious)
Principle says immigrants broke the law (someone please point out the line in the sand that doesn�t say everyone that�s not a native American is an immigrant). Reality begs the question: If we�ve got all this labor available can we shift the demand curve to 1) better monitize the labor force (e.g. stop with free ride on getting people to pick lettuce and clean hotels) 2) turn that into a win-win (e.g. I get to buy things I want and I don�t have to pay through the nose for it). So I like immediate fuel on tap (but can Cannon actually make his shale dream happen?)
Anyone with input, let�s have it, you�re shaping an new republican. P.S. what did Jason convert from to find himself a mormon and republican?(I�m curious)
Ron | 11:19 p.m. June 14, 2008
I just wanted to clarify why I will not be supporting Cannon. When it comes to
some important votes such as NCLB, and CAFTA, Cannon has dropped the ball.
CAFTA was passed by 1 vote (Cannon could have made a difference). If Cannon
would've have voted in support of limited government, then he would have
voted against CAFTA, and against the international bureaucracy it created.
Many of us grassroots people lobbied Cannon against this bill. The needs of Big
Government and Business in Central America came before Utah and the USA for this
congressman.
Cannon has not been consistent on illegal immigration throughout his career. When campaigning he says he wants strong illegal immigration enforcement, but his voting record does not support this position (see numbersusa). If you remember, he was on the news getting an award from MALDEF saying how proud he is that illegal aliens can get drivers licenses in Utah. Is this someone strong on illegal immigration enforcement? No, his pandering encourages it.
Cannon has not been consistent on illegal immigration throughout his career. When campaigning he says he wants strong illegal immigration enforcement, but his voting record does not support this position (see numbersusa). If you remember, he was on the news getting an award from MALDEF saying how proud he is that illegal aliens can get drivers licenses in Utah. Is this someone strong on illegal immigration enforcement? No, his pandering encourages it.
Clearing immigration hurdle | 11:34 p.m. June 15, 2008
FOR ALAN D. AND BRADLY RENEER: Alan, Bradly is the reason Cannon says
"it's complex and you won't understand." Alan, you're
probabably more like myself; if you were to read the bills, could decifer the
purpose between them all. It isn't that Cannon meant to insult, I'm
sure, it's that he's faced with people like Bradly, here, who is
confused with statements like in his comment:
"We're talking about a process ...go through a legal process over time to establish a permanent status." When asked if permanent meant citizenship he said "People who have permanent status already have a path to citizenship."
These two phrases are about different things. Amnesty is relegated to illegal status. The first statement deals with fixing illegal immigration.
The latter isn't about illegal immigration at all. It addresses immigration. Those who already have permanent immigration status are more or less here. Two different things. If we keep thinking of all people as illegal we will never understand what is going on and continue to accuse Cannon of doing things because we don't understand. Immigration is not illegal. Trespassing is. Cannon has worked on many bills to fix immigration in order to help stop illegal immigration.
"We're talking about a process ...go through a legal process over time to establish a permanent status." When asked if permanent meant citizenship he said "People who have permanent status already have a path to citizenship."
These two phrases are about different things. Amnesty is relegated to illegal status. The first statement deals with fixing illegal immigration.
The latter isn't about illegal immigration at all. It addresses immigration. Those who already have permanent immigration status are more or less here. Two different things. If we keep thinking of all people as illegal we will never understand what is going on and continue to accuse Cannon of doing things because we don't understand. Immigration is not illegal. Trespassing is. Cannon has worked on many bills to fix immigration in order to help stop illegal immigration.
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