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FLDS couple notches another court victory
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Thomas | 2:38 a.m. June 11, 2008
Leave these people alone.
Hard to believe | 7:41 a.m. June 11, 2008
I still cannot believe what these people have to go through I hope the state
will have to compensate any one who civil rights were denied.
Ray | 8:40 a.m. June 11, 2008
Let's hear it for Judge Tanner!
If there is some actual reason for individual suspicion regarding the Jessop's and child abuse, maybe fine, but without it they are as much in need of "protection" as you or I.
Texas CPS social workers and lawyers are the real abusers here and this judge can tell!
If there is some actual reason for individual suspicion regarding the Jessop's and child abuse, maybe fine, but without it they are as much in need of "protection" as you or I.
Texas CPS social workers and lawyers are the real abusers here and this judge can tell!
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Just the facts please | 8:43 a.m. June 11, 2008
"The court also granted the parents temporary custody of their three
children until Monday's review hearing."
Mr. West the storyteller here might well do a little fact checking of his own, especially since it has been proven over and over again that just because another journalist (and I use that term very lightly) quoted it in their story does not in any way make it true.
This family was not reunited pending the supreme court decision by "court order" it was an agreement that CPS initiated with the family's attorneys and the judge merely approved it. Get this...CPS was the ones who propossed it rather than having their heads handed to them for the wrongs they had done.
Mr. West the storyteller here might well do a little fact checking of his own, especially since it has been proven over and over again that just because another journalist (and I use that term very lightly) quoted it in their story does not in any way make it true.
This family was not reunited pending the supreme court decision by "court order" it was an agreement that CPS initiated with the family's attorneys and the judge merely approved it. Get this...CPS was the ones who propossed it rather than having their heads handed to them for the wrongs they had done.
Grandpa Phil | 9:03 a.m. June 11, 2008
Enough is enough. I hope all of the families find a way to get a similar
restraining order keeping CPS away from their children. CPS has been FAR more
abusive to these children than the parents have EVER been. If these children
have ANY hope of growing up normally (a relative term), it has to be AWAY from
the clutches of CPS. I know these people have a different idea of normal than
mainstream America but, considering what mainstream America is subjecting their
children to, that can be a good thing. As long as nothing illegal is going on,
I don't see the FLDS as any different than the Amish who have every right
to raise their children as they see fit.
Writ | 10:34 a.m. June 11, 2008
Does the DCFS here in Utah use these same basic tactics, just on a small
scale?
What reforms do we need to be pushing?
What reforms do we need to be pushing?
getreal | 11:48 a.m. June 11, 2008
Writ:
No. Utah does nothing about this. This is why this "way of life" is allowed to continue. I believe in freedom of religion but these children have no freedoms. and yes, people have every right to rise their children how they see fit, unless it involves abuse. At least Texas tried to protect the children. Before you respond or defend this cult, research it. This investigation is far from over. Wait until the criminal case begins.
No. Utah does nothing about this. This is why this "way of life" is allowed to continue. I believe in freedom of religion but these children have no freedoms. and yes, people have every right to rise their children how they see fit, unless it involves abuse. At least Texas tried to protect the children. Before you respond or defend this cult, research it. This investigation is far from over. Wait until the criminal case begins.
Anonymous | 12:28 p.m. June 11, 2008
do you only post pro flds comments?
Yes, they do! | 1:24 p.m. June 11, 2008
Yes, CPS all over this country take children based on anonomyous complaints--all
the time. They have to prove nothing and heaven help you if you have a
different way of life than the caseworker--for example, believe in breast
feeding a handicapped child and refuse to send him out on a little bus for an
all day program away from home at 6 MONTHS old! That was our baby--and at the
same time, one of those CPS bus drivers was convicted of molesting some of the
handicapped children he was transporting.
Check out Victims of Child Abuse Laws and read up on some of the cases. I've seen a number of local ones that would curl your hair!
Check out Victims of Child Abuse Laws and read up on some of the cases. I've seen a number of local ones that would curl your hair!
Nelisse | 1:27 p.m. June 11, 2008
Actually, this judge did indeed temporarily reunite this particular family.
This was done earlier than the Judge Walthers/CPS negotiatiated agreement, and
even before the Supremem Court ruling on the matter. Their children are 3 of
the 12 children reunited with their parents mentioned in the court documents in
the Supreme Court briefs.
So the story was correct.
So the story was correct.
Grandpa Phil | 1:41 p.m. June 11, 2008
getreal wrote, "unless it involves abuse". getreal is unreal.
Perhaps you have not been keeping up lately; the kids are home because CPS could
find no evidence of abuse by the mothers or the fathers. That isn't
"defending them"; it is a fact of law now. I understand that you
people do not wish to be confused by the facts as your minds are made up;
however, GET OVER IT. The criminal cases will go the same route as the abuse
cases; the facts will come out and the State's case will dissolve. Just by
using the word "cult" to describe the FLDS, you identified your bias
and bigotry. No one is going to listen to a bigot. You want to be credible?
Remain objective and stop spouting the Neo-Christian hate rhetoric. We have all
seen full well the nature of Texas "protection". CPS and the Judge
were FAR more abusive to those children than their parents EVER were.
Protection does not involve tearing screaming children out of crying
mothers' arms. It does not involve holding adults against their will so
you can steal their newborn babies. Their effort was to destroy, not protect.
The criminals were the authorities.
realitycheck | 3:18 p.m. June 11, 2008
These kids are abused on a daily basis.
2nd poster (Hard to believe 7:41am) stated "hope the state compensates anyone who rights were denied". Why would the state pay for the civil rights violations perpetrated by these parents? That's just crazy. The parents abuse the children every day, the state tries to help, and you want the state to pay? That's crazy.
These poor kids have no life, and will never have one. It it the most blatant violation of civil rights since slavery.
These "parents" are incapable of raising normal children, so they use mind-control from the day the child is born. The parents figure it happened to them, it should happen to their children. (I use the term "parent" loosely here because thwt these people do is not parenting, it's imprisoning.
The criminals are the parents and FLDS leaders. We all know it, but few here will admit it.
2nd poster (Hard to believe 7:41am) stated "hope the state compensates anyone who rights were denied". Why would the state pay for the civil rights violations perpetrated by these parents? That's just crazy. The parents abuse the children every day, the state tries to help, and you want the state to pay? That's crazy.
These poor kids have no life, and will never have one. It it the most blatant violation of civil rights since slavery.
These "parents" are incapable of raising normal children, so they use mind-control from the day the child is born. The parents figure it happened to them, it should happen to their children. (I use the term "parent" loosely here because thwt these people do is not parenting, it's imprisoning.
The criminals are the parents and FLDS leaders. We all know it, but few here will admit it.
Stick to truth | 3:50 p.m. June 11, 2008
RealityCheck needs to get a reality check!!
You have been fed a lot of lies, or you are making
them up.
Ask any of the so called lost boys and they will tell you they love their parents to death,
And from what I understand will not cooperate with flds haters in prosecuting their parents. (the parents give them free agency,So they are bad parents???)
They are taught teachings of our savior to love not hate. Your comments makes me wonder what you were taught ? How sad.
You have been fed a lot of lies, or you are making
them up.
Ask any of the so called lost boys and they will tell you they love their parents to death,
And from what I understand will not cooperate with flds haters in prosecuting their parents. (the parents give them free agency,So they are bad parents???)
They are taught teachings of our savior to love not hate. Your comments makes me wonder what you were taught ? How sad.
celia | 5:50 p.m. June 11, 2008
getreal, realitycheck and other FLDS haters should step back and look at
themselves in the mirror. A hateful religious bigot is what they will see.
The FLDS are NOT a cult, NOT child abusers, NOT pedophiles, NOT all the vile crude that the flds haters fantasize about.
The state of Texas has thus far spent in excess of $10mil and not a nickels worth of child abuse evidence has been found.
The FLDS are NOT a cult, NOT child abusers, NOT pedophiles, NOT all the vile crude that the flds haters fantasize about.
The state of Texas has thus far spent in excess of $10mil and not a nickels worth of child abuse evidence has been found.
Janet | 12:09 a.m. June 12, 2008
To:realitycheck | 3:18 p.m. June 11, 2008
You are misinformed, you have no facts and until you do keep your comments to yourself, I am embarrassed for you.
You are misinformed, you have no facts and until you do keep your comments to yourself, I am embarrassed for you.
Grandpa Phil | 7:59 a.m. June 12, 2008
Uhm, "realitycheck" you got busted, again. WHy do you continue to
spout the same hateful rhetoric on so many of these blogs when you KNOW the
circumstances you present as "self-evident" simply do not exist? Find
something positive in your life and pursue that. All of this FLDS bashing is
taking a toll on your concept of reality. You need a rest; please take one.
whatever | 8:59 a.m. June 12, 2008
To: Yes they do.
CPS workers do not drive the handicapped bus.
To Granpa: The children are home because of they way the removal was handled, not due to lack of abuse. You really need to research this. Also, did you see the screaming children? I guess, grandpa, you really did want the little girls to come back to you. Call me whatever you want. All FLDsers who are in plural marriages are breaking the law. Everyone who supports underage marriage is sick. Even Willie says they will NO LONGER support this. This means it was happening before. If you don't like our laws, leave Texas. And Warren is now admitting that he is an evil man. Watch his interview.
It is clear that this blog is filled with FLDS men who "want their little girls back" and mothers who sit back and allow it. I guess Alissa Wall is just a FLDS hater too? I do not hate. I have pity and compassions for thoes who are so blind, and anger for those that create this lifestyle. Maybe your leader will come out of hiding now? What do you think the DNA results will show on Jeffs?
CPS workers do not drive the handicapped bus.
To Granpa: The children are home because of they way the removal was handled, not due to lack of abuse. You really need to research this. Also, did you see the screaming children? I guess, grandpa, you really did want the little girls to come back to you. Call me whatever you want. All FLDsers who are in plural marriages are breaking the law. Everyone who supports underage marriage is sick. Even Willie says they will NO LONGER support this. This means it was happening before. If you don't like our laws, leave Texas. And Warren is now admitting that he is an evil man. Watch his interview.
It is clear that this blog is filled with FLDS men who "want their little girls back" and mothers who sit back and allow it. I guess Alissa Wall is just a FLDS hater too? I do not hate. I have pity and compassions for thoes who are so blind, and anger for those that create this lifestyle. Maybe your leader will come out of hiding now? What do you think the DNA results will show on Jeffs?
To Janet | 9:00 a.m. June 12, 2008
What is the youngest age you have seen a little girl get married or have a
child?
Grandpa Phil | 11:21 a.m. June 12, 2008
OH "whatever", if you would take some of your obviously frivolous time
and READ the court documents like some of us did, you will see that the order to
return the children was made because CPS was unable to document or produce any
evidence of abuse which would have warranted such a removal. The removal was
handled wrong in that it was conducted regardless of the fact that no such abuse
was found. Also, assuming I am FLDS just makes you look dumber than your
comments demonstrate. I couldn't care less about Warren Jeffs; he
isn't in this picture or on my radar screen. He's in jail.
Associating his misdeeds with innocent people is just an indicator of the
bigotry prevalent in so many of these posts. I have 9 children and 9
grandchildren all living in NC far away from this fray, but we are watching the
trends and events and are concerned that people with attitudes such as yours
will fire this up into a storm that will sweep everything in its path like the
fires in California driven by the Santa Anna winds. Me and mine WILL NOT be a
victim to religious bigotry such as yours.
edomi41 | 4:37 p.m. June 12, 2008
To "whatever" - "Everyone who supports underage marriage is
sick." That pretty much covers all of Texas as of two years ago when the
legal age for marriage of a young girl was 15. Now its upped to 16 or 17 which
still makes them minors. Please look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Why,
oh why, was I allowing underage girls to get married?" Unless of course,
you're not from Texas or you don't vote. Then you're just
uniformed or lazy.
zxcvbnm | 2:07 a.m. June 13, 2008
Another appeals court judge has handed Walther and CPS slap. Now all we need is a formal apology and perhaps the FLDS won't sue the State of Texas for a few billion.
Whatever | 12:29 p.m. June 16, 2008
Grandpa: You are suuming a lot. I was hoping you were part of this cult because
that would explain your undying support. I have spent hours and hours
researching this whole mess and reading court documnets. If there is no proof,
why has CPS obtained TMC of these children? Why must the parents participate in
services? Why are caseworkers allowed to visit children at any time? Please,
have a clue before you post. It will save us all some time.
zxcvbmn: Do you know evey law in your state? The original law (15) was not in place so little girls could be forced to marry old me. It was in place so they could marry, with parental permission, to someone of THEIR choice. If I was aware of the law, I would have disagreed with it then.
Texas should not apoligize for atempting to protect children. All the states who allow the continual law breaking should apoligize. If FLDS do not like Texas laws on marriage, child labor, and child sexual abuse, they should LEAVE and maybe settle in Grandpa's state.
zxcvbmn: Do you know evey law in your state? The original law (15) was not in place so little girls could be forced to marry old me. It was in place so they could marry, with parental permission, to someone of THEIR choice. If I was aware of the law, I would have disagreed with it then.
Texas should not apoligize for atempting to protect children. All the states who allow the continual law breaking should apoligize. If FLDS do not like Texas laws on marriage, child labor, and child sexual abuse, they should LEAVE and maybe settle in Grandpa's state.
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