Publishing such slanderous musings of unknown persons in law enforcement is
irresponsible, underhanded, and vicious. What is your purpose in defaming these
people? If your purpose had been to inform your readers about
clandestine correspondence between law enforcement in Utah and their
counterparts in Texas leading up to the YFZ raid, you could have done so
without publishing names and what look like "mug shots".
And the beat goes onnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Havrn't these people proven themselves. For
heavens sakes they had their most prized posessions (their children) and weren't
violent! Give them a break!What next? Will they be accused of the next
why would this paper publish this and not post the obvious fact that the state
of Utah has no evidence to back up any of the claims ie Willie the thug has a
passion for fire arms etc
If the worst thing these people did was glare at people in court, this article
is irresponsible, bordering on witch hunting!Yes, I'm sure the leader of
the FLDS has a security team--most churches do. We may not like the FLDS
beliefs and, indeed, some of Mr. Jeff's actions seem to remove him from sincere
consideration as a righteous leader (I'm sorry, FLDS readers, I do realize that
you revere him as Prophet), but it is not extraordinary that there should be a
security team. But to publish pictures and list this ambiguous list of
"charges" certainly tends to incite people unnecessarily--not to mention that it
makes Utah law enforcement appear highly unprofessional. I'm not totally
comfortable with sharing such vague charges with Texas law enforcement--given
Texas' record of jumping the gun. And I think it highly unprofessional for this
type of information to be given to the press. There is certainly no danger to
the citizens of Utah from these people.I'm not FLDS and don't live in
Not one episode of real evidence. Now we have thought police who "seem" to know
what a man seems to be thinking and that appears to be approaching criminal
activity worthy of mention and the creation of dossiers on folks. If we cant
find any real crimes a person has committed, the law seems to be willing to go
into character defamation mode as the person may be thinking of doing something
illegal. I think if I were FLDS, I would be very intensely engaged in
observation of the proceedings of the court. What a farce, nothing more than
slander, innuendo and character defamation. If a person could be convicted on
what they appear to be thinking, they better round up all of these folks, along
with most of society. If this is the level of investigation our law enforcement
folks engage in were all in big trouble.WOW!
Where are the 50-80 year old men that have sex with teens? I thought this was
all about old men having sex with children? But I guess all the children having
sex turned out to be adults.Now the best they can do is show photos of
people that might stare you down in court????????????Obviously, the
state is worried about these people and will create anykind of slander they can
think up. Why? Is the state worried about thier own crimes?
Well said Karl. You nailed that one on the head. Next, they will be doing
dossiers on everyone who makes a positive posting on these blogs in favor of the
FLDS. Hey UTAH!!!!!!! Check out my military record; this 'ole grandpa is more
dangerous than any of them. LOLOLOLOL
THESE MEN ARE INNOCENT ! No history of violence,but they looked at people wrong
or are high rankers of the church so they are a risk???? OOOOOH PLEASE!!!
THIS IS DEFINETLEY RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION NOW !!!! STOP THE WITCH
HA HA HA!That list made me laugh! polygamist to law
enforcement: "Howdy"Law enforcement: "Flora, was he threatening me?"Flora: "Without a doubt, howdy means your next on the blood atone list!"Put him on the LIST!
There are witches in Texas? Who knew.Dear FLDS sympathizers: You
reap what you sow. You lie in the bed you make. Your prophet, when caught
outside Vegas, was found with boatloads of cash, disguises for a small clan,
enough fake IDs to start a junta all the attitude of, well, a venomous snake.Deal with it. You are busted.Have a nice day.
Yes, it seems there ARE, in fact, witches in Texas or, in other words, some VERY
ugly people (on the inside).
To witch hunt?: This article is nothing more than propaganda generated by
Utah law enforcement and propagated by the DN.
this is by far the funniest Article I have ever seen in DesN, I had to check the
URL 3 times to make sure I wasnt at the Onion.com, ROFL
for shining a little light on the not so pleasant dark side of some of the
FLDS.Of course they will react viciously to any reports that reveal
their true character.Just as they have for every victim who has ever
testified against them, they will try to intimidate and discredit anyone who
tries to tell the truth about them.
"Seemed to be taking mental notes..." Are you joking me? We heard outcries
during the trial with everyone wondering where the fathers of these children
were out. It seems that any father who actually SHOWED UP was then flagged as a
possible conspirator. "Seemed to be intimidating..." They took their children!
What did they want them to do? Give them nice smiles, a handshake and wave at
Everyone, I think this article is meant to show how ridiculous the allegations
are. I don't think the Deseret News published it to show that these people are
a danger. Rather to laugh at how silly some of these claims are.
Simple Logic would suggest that if an Act of Violence was going to happen it
would have happened when they were being attacked and having their children
Kidnapped, (I never happened). To try to compare FLDS with the MOB is like
trying to compare"-10" and "+10" they do have a lot in common, very comparable.
If we can just get folks to ignore the obvious we have a case.
Reading all the FLDS posts where FLDS men post as woman is more than a bit
scary. FLDS are not to be trusted in any way shape or form. The FLDS women and
children are a very good indication of all the intimidation that takes place in
the FLDS cult.DN this was a nice article.
This is ridiculous. Washington County Sheriff Kirk Smith panders to these
degenerates and ignores crimes including abuse of children in the FLDS community
then wants to come across as altruistic with the situation in Texas. Kissing up to the polygamist community means votes for Smith. His shameless
ignorance is disgraceful. He needs to be replaced.
Re: Thank You DNThanks for coming out of your hole in the ground, to
share with us your vindictive comments. You can go back now.
You have got to be kidding me!! I am SHOCKED that this article is being
published with the DN! I have seen some amazingly stupid articles...but this
takes the cake. WOW! Nothing like slander against innocent (not proven guilty)
This is no witch hunt and no religious persecution. There is nothing religious
about FLDS, old men, raping teenage girls. The FLDS leaders telling these girls
that the outside world is all evil and corrupt, and telling these young FLDS
girls that this is what GOD wants them to do, and that they need to put up,
shut-up, and take it, and bear all the rapes of older FLDS perverts. They have
no chance for a legal marriage. They cannot whatsoever have their precious
Mormon pioneer blood tainted by outsiders.
Thank you DN, You are correct. I cant believe anyone who thinks a little
intimidation by eye contact is nothing. We have all been intimated by eye
contact at one time or another. Think back when you were a child, that is about
the mental status of most of these women. We all have to remember the inner fear
they have of these men. Elissa was a very young women at the time she was
intimated in trial, kudos to her bravery. Intimination can be stronger then
words because you never know exactly what the consequence will be. That is just
Anyone who thinks some of Warren Jeffs' most rabid supporters weren't doing
everything they possibily could to try to prevent their "prophet" from being
convicted of rape simply doesn't understand the blind devotion that they have
for Jeffs.They broke law after law after law in trying to keep him
from being arrested. They certainly weren't going to let him go to prison if
they could stop it.Now they want to derail any possible criminal
charges that will be coming from the investigation of child abuse at the YFZ
ranch.They'll claim of course, that no abuse has been proven, and
that proves that there was no abuse.Just as they claim that Warren
never participated in the abuse of any 14-year-old girls.
To silenta: I thought the same thing. What would be such slanderous descriptions
on the part of law enforcement? a hunch???
"Reading all the FLDS posts where FLDS men post as woman is more than a bit
scary. FLDS are not to be trusted in any way shape or form."Would
you tell us just HOW you know that FLDS men are posing as FLDS women? That's
almost as laughable as this article. Do you really believe that not a single
FLDS woman knows how to use or has access to a computer with internet access?
I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. I like to laugh at all the accusations thrown
around against us, but then I realize people actually believe them.Just so you don't accuse me of being an FLDS man posing as a woman, I actually
am an FLDS man.
This is a terrible article. There is no context at all (I had to go to Salt Lake
Tribune for that) and the people listed are treated in a public forum as if they
are guilty and have already done something illegal. C'mon, let's have a REAL
article and not a piece of yellow journalism.
Dear DN, The comments here seem to indicate that your fair-minded and literate
readers outnumber those for whom you published this defamatory article - for
now. But unless you mean to replace those readers with those who only read the
headlines on tabloids at the checkout, you might want to rethink your editorial
The reason this dossier was sent out was because the judge in Texas who ruled on
the child abuse case received notification that "enforcers" from the FLDS sect
could possiby be a threat to her and family. Her home and self are under guard.
The DN did not print the reason for the dossier. If the DN is your only news
source, you might not know that.
Well YOU no it alls! For your information you have locked up the only true
PROPHET in the world living in this day and age. Please set Warren Jeffs free.
Our people need his good wisdom and knowledge.
witch hunt? | 10:14 a.m. June 11, 2008 There are witches in Texas? Who
knew."Dear FLDS sympathizers: You reap what you sow...Deal
with it. You are busted.Have a nice day."You sound like
I wonder who notified the judge that "enforcers" from the FLDS "could possibly"
be out to get her--Sarah again?Maybe they do have enforcers--I hope not.
Maybe they'd even like to get her--could hardly blame them. But stupid I don't
think they are. Right now they have many, many people nation wide who are upset
with Texas' heavy-handed and unconstitutional treatment of the FLDS people.
They'd be FOOLS to lose that support by any violent action.No, I'm not
geez...almost all of these folks on the dossier are either described as people
who once gave somebody a mean look or as people who've never exhibited any
violent or intimidating tendencies.Looks like Judge Walther and ilk
are no better at counting threatening adults than teen-aged girls.
Washington County must be stopped. Sue them, remove them from office, whatever
it takes to stop them from violating the rights of it's citizens. Do they show
ONE crime committed by any of these people, ONE conviction, even one formal
complaint filed. NO. It's all allegations, suspicions, observations of biased
authorities. Nothing more. It's libel, it's slander, it's criminal. The
"authorities" just won't stop. They must be sued to get them off these peoples'
backs. There is NO excuse for this kind of thing. They could do it to anyone
and everyone. I have a deep distrust of Utah and Texas authorities over this.
I wouldn't live in Texas and maybe it's time to leave Utah.
Whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN GUILTY!Here you are
saying that IF a disturbance should happen (which I think they're entitled to,
given the way Texas has maltreated their families) here are the ones that most
likely will be guilty. Don't publish stuff like that, and shame
on the goverment/law enforcement for doing this! Leave them
We FLDS need to stick together. These outsiders are trying to bring us down.
They are heathens. While we know with out a doubt we are gods only pure ones.
"Do they show ONE crime committed by any of these people, ONE conviction, even
one formal complaint filed."??Does Warren Jeffs and other FLDS man
being convicted and sent to prison for abusing children count as a crime?You forgot to include Arizona, and now Canada, in your list of places
you should deeply distrust.Basically, any place the FLDS have abused
children should be included on your list.
"Washington County must be stopped. Sue them, remove them from office... They
could do it to anyone and everyone."The paranoia indeed runs deep in
our community. When you've been knowingly breaking the law and looking over your
shoulder to see if you're about to be caught for as long as we have, you know
everyone is out to get you.
this article is PATHETIC! it really is religious persecution. i think the
deseret news should be ashamed for publishing this article. i don't care what
the purpose was in it. these people have done nothing wrong based on the
article. if you want to post names and faces with crimes, make sure they are
real crimes. pathetic....
Lets see:-Someone "stares" at someone else in court or uses "body
language" that could suggest that they might not be a total wimp, and we need to
post their pictures like mug shots to the masses. (If a muffler were to
backfire on Judge Walther's street today, the jackboots would go round up the
whole bunch for questioning.)-A guilty conscience is an ugly thing but the
Judge needs to understand that everyone is not as vindictive as she is.It's the FLDS that need the protection from the judge, not the other way
You can sure tell school is out. So many adolescents online these days. I
would hate to think that so many of these ridiculous posts are typed by adults.
SOme of these people show all of the reasoning power of a 12 yr old. OK, maybe
9 yr old. The most laughable are the anti-FLDS posing as FLDS making stupid
statements to make the FLDS look bad. That is juvenile and pretty transparent.
Looks like Hildebrand will add stareing and praying to the next
list of FLDS control laws that need to be passed in Texas. Lets
see.....we'll have no stareing, no old dresses....no fresh vegtables (salmonella
tomatoes is an FLDS plot), no pressed shirts or pants, everyone must wear red,
can't eat uninspected cheese, and anyone that supports the us constitution will
be on a subversive list. I am sure that there will be more time wasted
by the state concocting lists and warnings for the texas authorities. At least
the cops are busy writeing lists rather than tuning up their tanks.
Re: Grandpa Phil, please tell us who is posting as FLDS?? I believe most FLDS
are uneducated, so who are you talking about? All the posts that I have read on
here look to me like FLDS nonsense. And the DN mug shot of Willie Jessop is a
Jann, your educational prejudices are showing!A good many kids come out of
our local high schools as "uneducated" and pretty nearly functionally
illeterate. My 5 homeschooled kids took placement tests at the local community
college and the lady in charge of the testing center told me to quit being
worried about being an inadequate homeschooler--that my kids tested better than
many of the kids going thru the honors program at our 3000-student local high
school. 3 of the 5 are college graduates--one currently on full scholarship for
a Master's degree. My DS son reads fluently. The other son works construction
(his choice) and has passed college algebra.Home education, or even
church-sanctioned small private schools (Amish, FLDS, etc.) do NOT mean people
will be uneducated. There will be top students in both environments and poor
students in them, too.
No need to add staring; witness tampering is already against the law.
Now THIS is entertainment. Or would be if it wasn't created by the people
elected to protect me.
These FLDS are simply slave-owners that are mad that their little slaves might
have been de-programmed. These are some scary folks. Nothing worse
than a religious fanatic, and these people are as fanatical as they come.
Staring is not witness tampering.
no one said home-schooling is bad (except California). What we are saying is
that the FLDS stops at 8th grade, and half of what they teach is bunk. That's
sad. What don't you understand?
This is disgusting. This community was subjected to a horrible hate crime and
now you are trying to make them look like the Manson Family ? They didn't
attack anyone they were attacked and had their children terrorized by a bunch of
goose stepping thugs.
Ok now for the staring pole. Is staring against the law or not.
Just to add a bit of humor to the mix here. If you are bothered by a stare
just reach up and pick your nose. I will leave it to each individual to
determine finger debth.....in every case I have tested the person fixing the
gaze will look the other way. Mama he's looking at me can be solved
without calling mama with a simple finger gesture....ok now children we can play
nice now......on with the trial. If law enforcement is so keen on
preventing staring they can start with eliminating the perp walk......just a
re-Uneducated: I've never been inside an FLDS school to see what they teach,
but I expect that they teach basic reading and writing and math--the same tools
that enabled my children to excell in college without going to traditional high
school.The FLDS take on history is probably unique to them, but have
you ever read the history books of a middle eastern country's schools? Or
China? Or Russia? How about Venezuela's? Each culture teaches history by its
own perspectives and you and I wouldn't agree with them, either.However, many people in less industrialized cultures have only an 8th grade
education, plus vocational training (check out the UK and some of the other
European countries--if you are not going on to college, you're shifted to
vocational education). We pretend everyone's going to college and don't prepare
our non-college students for ANYTHING!My objection was to the
assumption that anyone not educated a certain way would, of necessity, be
uneducated. If, as the NEA says, education is to prepare you to function in
society (as its leaders determine) then perhaps the FLDS are doing just that!And finally, anyone who can read fluently and enjoys reading can educate
I was educated in the public school system through 9th grade. Then, I went to
two years of private FLDS schooling. Let me tell you, I learned more in those
two years than I learned through all my previous years of school. And I'm not
talking about just FLDS doctrine, but general education -- reading, writing,
spelling, literature, algebra, geometry, geography, drafting, science,
accounting, and building skills."And finally, anyone who can read
fluently and enjoys reading can educate himself."That's exactly right.
I'm continually educating myself through reading and studying to learn new
Hmmmmm. What would be the purpose in warning Texas about some people most of
whom the warning party says have shown no tendency toward violence. But they
might? Since they are good a staring(alleged)Really? When their children were
taken they could have reacted with violenct, but, they didn't.Whoever sent these allegations, you should be ashamed of yourself. You don't
do a very good job of representing Christianity. And what kind of newspaper uses
un-named sources when they in fact have the name of the public employees who
issued the warning? This is not standard practice - this was no leak, the names
were on the emails. Is the LDS Church controlling the content?Allegations seem to rule the day. I wouldn't want to live polygamy myself, but
I see clearly that this is no longer about the FLDS practice, it's about
persecution and slander.
I would like to agree that the publishing of this list is one of the bigest
examples of irresponsible journalism that I've ever seen! DN published a
confidential security e-mail (that was not addressed to them or ever intended to
be public knowledge)exchanged between two Law Enforcement agencies. This
document was intended to PREVENT any potential problems and attempt to ensure a
fair trial. On this list most of the individuals mentioned were noted that they
were not likely to be violent. To address the many comments about staring &
intimidation, Law Enforcement personel receive many hours of training on how to
observe and interpret body language, they are experts at this and their
testimonies are admissable in court. Let's place the blame where it belongs, if
DN had not published a piece of CONFIDENTIAL corespondance there would have been
no public exposure for the people listed in this report! Shame on you DN and
shame on all of you who are too ignorant to figure this out on your own!
The document that the Deseret News is using entirely out of context here was
writen BY a law enforcement agency FOR a law enforcement agency. This record
was not meant for public eye. Deseret News is responsible for any "slander"
accusations.The extensive investigation that went on regarding the
case in Washington County uncovered things that the public has no knowledge
of... nor should they.Wake up and get a clue. Anything could happen
at anytime. It would be irresponsible to expect less.
The State of Utah maintains approximately 800 thousand dossier's on various
people who those in Utah law-enforcement believe are a threat to society in
general.I know this to be a fact. I actually viewed the State's inner web
"website" that contains this information.Find a state employee with
enough rank/power and they can access this inner web website and obtain
information simply by entering the person's name or a birth date.By
entering a birthdate only, one brings up hundreds, sometimes over a thousand
names and all one must do is click the name of a specific individual and up
comes the file on the person.Many of those people have no criminal
or violent history at all. Yet, their is information listed in these dossier's
that tends to portray these individuals as violent threats to society.Now that's scary.
You people that are bashing the Wa. County investigators for "slander" have no
idea of the things that they have uncovered concerning these trials. You are
clueless. The investigators were immersed in this case for months. They
interviewed hundreds. How about you? 5 minutes of reading an irresponsible
piece of sub-par journalism makes you an expert the facts of the case and the
strangers involved? Get a clue. The dossiers were provided to help provide
security for the proceedings and help pinpoint any POSSIBLE problems. I'm
amazed by some of these responses. They're really ignorant and overlook the
purpose of the document from which these "quotes" were taken out of context.
Reply To: Anonymous | 12:44 p.m. June 11, 2008 Dear Anonamous,They have not locked Uncle Warren up, he is in God's hands and it would do you
well to leave him there. A little tact wouldn't hurt you either. DN
can print whatever they want, truth or not, it's a free county. To all those
seeking to do harm to the FLDS, I want you to know I follow the example of
Warren Jeffs, I forgive you and leave judgemnet to God. I will continue to stand
for what I believe. "The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong
but only to those who endure to the end". Shakespeare"Blessed are
they who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of
heaven. Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you, and say all
manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad;
for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which
were before you." Matthew 5:10-12
Does a growling dog have to actually BITE you before you consider it a threat?
Jann, I could start with "Anonymous at 12:44 PM", "sticking together", and
"Warren" and go on from there. People are not as stupid as some of you FLDS
haters seem to think. Some of us that follow this story are actually
intelligent and have a vested interest in how the Constitutional issues pan out.
I don't really give a care about FLDS particular religious beliefs. CPS has
already acknowledged that the child abuse they alleged at first simply was not
there. If the criminal investigation finds anything, I will be among the first
to call for a lynching; however, I really believe that investigation will pan
out just as the abuse one did - just a lot of smoke and mirrors on the part of
CPS. What I do care about is a bunch of adolescent children with nothing else
to do coming into these blogs and pretending to be something they are not just
to stir up more controversy. It is hard to tell children to "grow up" but some
of the adults in here could sure stand to do some growing up.
To "Question", I have yet to hear any of the FLDS "growl".
To Janet:Blessed are they who are persecuted for rigtousness.. yes, I
agree. However, Warren is locked up and is not rightous. he said so himself. he
even tried to bash himself against the prison walls for his own blood atonement.
He is an evil man.to Grandpa: CPS have NEVER said abuse did not happen.
That is a lie and you know it. Tell me, what age should a girl be allowed to
marry? Why did "Big Willie" say you guys are changing your practice?
Well "To Janet and Grandpa", looks like DN is not going to post my first reply
to you so I will spell it out simple for you. If you take the time to actually
READ the court documents presented to the Supreme Court like some of us did, you
will see that CPS did, in fact, state that they had found no evidence of abuse
by either the mothers or the fathers. That is the reason the lower court
decision was ordered to be vacated, because the lower court ordered that the
children be held longer than 14 days when there was no evidence of abuse
presented to the court.I am not FLDS. I live in NC with my children
and grandchildren but many of us are watching the developments in this case
closely. We are watching to see if bigots like you prevail in your efforts to
hurt those children or if the authorities prevail in depriving these families of
their rights under the Constitution. I could not care less about warren jeffs
or FLDS beliefs. Their rights are OUR rights and, if ALL are not safe, NONE of
us are. Now take your bigotry somewhere else.
Actually, twenty females, five of them still minors, were found to have been
impregnated while 16 or younger. Some of the adults had just turned 18. The
court that was not sufficient evidence for the state custody of all the children
based on that evidence.
Amplification: The court ruled there was not enough evidence for the state to
maintain custody of all the children. The investigations continue. It may be
months before we know which children will be found to have been abused and be
removed. One of the tells about the people who say the courts found no abuse
is that they conveniently forget that enough evidence was found to continue
I am, um, entertained by the poster here writing about state dossiers on
everyone. I do not believe or disbelieve this comment, but I think it merits
more investigation. People in responsible positions are free to observe and draw
whatever conclusions they want. ONE problem with the dossiers on everyone
concept, though, is there is no recourse if there are errors, even big
errors.To everyone here bashing the DN for publishing this info,
this info is available because of a GOOD public records law! Y'all oughta be
GRATEFUL for that.I am also, um, entertained that there is only one
woman on the list. In her case, it's really not hard for me to fathom why people
whose job it is to maintain the security of a jail might just POSSIBLY be
alarmed by the nature of Ruth Cooke's visions. Whether she would actually DO
anything is a different problem.It seems the FLDS are a deeply
sexist outfit, but if law enforcement has only one woman on their list, I still
think there is a decent chance they have no clue about important dynamics within
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is this the way the
Southwestern States work? What in the world is this!!! Have the people from
Texas, and her sister States had a proper education? Mug shots, now, for what?
Staring at people in court? Where is the crime? Is this perhaps the anti-FLDS
people trying to justify their cruel actions..."Look we had good reason to take
nursing babies away from their mother's arms, point guns at them, act like Nazi
officers, hold adult women hostage"..., is this their justification for their
actions? This is a complete outrage!!! All that this is, is an action to make
the Texas Officials involved in this raid look better after what they did. All
they did was make themselves look...well...stupid, I don't know the word for it.
I am so glad that my daughters, and I are in one of the educated States, this
would not happen in Illinois. As soon as I read this article all I could do is
laugh. Don't go to court down there, and give menacing stares, you will have to
provide a mug shot for the public! Oh, I forgot, Anna Nicole Smith was educated
DesNews staff: please tell us you didn't take this list seriously. You know the
history of the washington county deputies, right? This trumps the pot calling
the kettle black. You may even have some ex- deputies from W.C. working in your
neck of the woods.
my kids went to flds school's for three years the are now in public school and
every one is behind my oldest is going to 7th grade and can only read 3rd grade
level thabks flds I am just glad i woke up and wish some more would for the sake
of there children
Uhm, "former flds", I doubt that FLDS schools are to blame for your children
being behind. Your own spelling and grammar are an excellent indication that
the problem is at home.Thanks "Emma from Illinois" nice post. By
the way, Anna Nicole Smith was probably "educated" in the same school that
"former flds" went to.
The ESP abilities of the law enforcement staff are truly amazing. They noted
that one of the FLDS members present - "Seemed to be taking mental notes of the
security staff present."This person was sitting there, perhaps not
as good at "staring" as some of the others, so instead, took a different tact
and strategy, that of observing who was in the room. This type of behavior would
make me nervous if I observed it.Everyone knows that "taking mental
notes" is a subversive activity which should be outlawed.
lol I have spent the last half an hour reading this and have to say Thanks for
the Laugh. I did how ever note that as I was laughing about this, that some of
the stuff stated in several of the posts could be considered as a threat. So if
your concern is if a stare is considered threatning, you might be a little more
careful with your posts and what your putting in to words. Just a thought thanks
for the entertainment. peace out