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UEP Trust waiting on FLDS probe

Interloper | 6:38 a.m. June 5, 2008

I bet Willie Jessop is on the phone telling the reporter the FLDS has cooperated with the trust, which, of course, he will say, is unholy and oppressive.

hey interloper | 7:07 a.m. June 5, 2008

Turn over all your funds to me since I think you are not doing an adequate job of protecting those funds. What do you think of that plan? Do you consider it "unholy and oppressive?" Yeah, thought so.

Sandy & Family | 7:14 a.m. June 5, 2008

You are a little out of line with that comment seeing what they have been through and still going through. Their problems are bigger than you can imagine and it has to do with the government agenda for sure. What do you think that the government would do if they had a highway they wanted to build but it goes through your land? Think about it and how can you say that all of them are bad anyhow? You don't know them but I can sure most of those people are innocent of any wrong doing but they have land in the wrong place.

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Eye Dee Ten Tee | 7:44 a.m. June 5, 2008

Half cousin? Whut tha heck is thet? A second cousin divided by 2 is a whole cousin. Maybe a whole cousin divided by a second cousin? I'll have to ask some friends from Kentucky. They know more about cousins than anyone West of the Ohio. It's so common, it don't make the news.

Freedom Mann | 7:54 a.m. June 5, 2008

Hey, "Interloper," Bruce Wisan, the special fiduciary of the UEP Trus, is barking up the wrong tree in regards to, at least, the purchase of the Yearning For Zion ranch.

This property was not purchased out of this fund; it was by an elderly FLDS member who has made his personal fortune in the manufacture of airplane parts.

While I realize the likes of Bruce Wisan et. al. has to do EVERYTHING he can, wherever he can, to dismantle and destroy the FLDS, this is one time it won't stick even though he's trying to make good "window dressing" for the likes of YOU and your ilk that started this whole Witch Hunt in the first place.

So, "Interloper" you made one VERY bad "bet."

PS, I am NOT FLDS; I'm an Atheistic Jewish man from New York city who grew up a "Red Diaper Baby."

And if you don't know that "Read Diaper Baby" means, go read the article on it in "Wikipedia."

Anonymous | 8:12 a.m. June 5, 2008

Why don't they leave these poeple alone !!! I MEAN THIS IS UNREAL !!!!

leavemalone | 8:27 a.m. June 5, 2008

Why can't they leave these people alone!!This is getting ridiculous,,,,,Must be the heat that is getting to these people....If they bother these poeple again I SAY AMERICA ... STAND UP....

Saw Job | 9:02 a.m. June 5, 2008

What's a half cousin? I have never heard this before? Will someone please explain this to me? I have many many first cousins, 2nd, & 3rd and so on, but please explain what is a 1/2 cousin? What is that? hummmmmm???? Sounds like a saw job.

Freedom Mann | 9:14 a.m. June 5, 2008

"Anonymous," now you know why the US Founders made revolution against Great Britain and wrote the US Constitution, especially The Bill of RIGHTS.

It seems that the FLDS are now the Colonists; too many government officials somehow truly believe that the US Constitution doesn't apply to the FLDS and the only reason they're getting away with it, is that too many "good" Americans AGREE with them.

This is a perfect example of the "slippery slope" and why this Great and Grand Republic is in decline; the rights of individuals are being destroyed; the FLDS is just one of the more noteworthy examples.

Timothy | 9:21 a.m. June 5, 2008

I can see that all the FLDS polygamists are getting starting early today. You guys better get started here and feed this blog full of BS just like all the rest of them. Why don't you FLDS try not breaking the laws for once in your lives, and quit shacking up with each other day after day. And even worse, you folks use the good Lord to do it. Shame on you! Don't you FLDS have any morals whatsoever? In the name of God stop the abuse... GEEZE!

KY Girl | 9:44 a.m. June 5, 2008

To Eye Dee Ten Tee: Did you mean west of the Mississippi River? You can live north of the Ohio River in PA, OH, IN, or IL, or you can live south of the Ohio River in WV, or KY. Us inbred folks whose ancestors came through the Cumberland Gap with Daniel Boone seem to know our geography and grammer better than we are given credit. "It don't make the news." Doesn't is the word you were needing in that sentence.

robbery | 9:44 a.m. June 5, 2008

This UEP trust is not the orginal trust set up by the FLDS. That trust was dissolved and a new trust created when the the court siezed the FLDS assets in Utah and Arizona a couple of years ago. According to History of Utah by Orson F. Whitney Vol.3 Page 588 the same thing happened to them in 1886 when the court siezed the orginal LDS assets and disolved that organization and created the current LDS and gave it to a reciever. Court apponted robbery in my book. Leave these peacefull people alone!

Oklahoma Mormon | 9:45 a.m. June 5, 2008

Timothy is a clown. Get your facts straight. You are what is called a "sheeple" The FLDS believe what they are doing is right. I do too. We can make up our own minds and do what we think is best for us. Notice that only ZOG says what they think the FLDS are doing. No proof of that.

KY Girl | 10:03 a.m. June 5, 2008

A half-sibling would mean that the siblings only have 1 biological parent in common, instead of two biological parents in common.
I'm guessing that a half-cousin means that the cousins only have 1 biological grandparent out of the four grandparents in common, instead of the more normal two biological grandparents in common.

KY Girl | 10:21 a.m. June 5, 2008

Half-sibling = 1 of 2 biological parents in common.

Half-cousin = 1 of 4 biological grandparents in common (instead of the normal 2 grandparents in common)

zilch | 10:27 a.m. June 5, 2008

UEP no longer has anything to do with FLDS

zilch | 10:30 a.m. June 5, 2008

UEP is no longer FLDS

half cousins | 10:47 a.m. June 5, 2008

siblings share a father and a mother
half siblings share only one parent
1st cousins share both a grandfather and a grandmother and are not siblings or half siblings.
half 1st cousin share only one grandparent and are not siblings or half siblings.
2nd cousins share both a great grandfather and a great grandmother and are not 1st cousins or half 1st cousins

zxcvbnm | 10:59 a.m. June 5, 2008

ok Cuz,,, I got it.

It is interesting to note that Hildebrands change of the consent laws was objected to by East Texans reps.......so harvey slipped his bill thru on a cps funding bill.
Looks like East Texas needs the next raid.

Talk about cousins........

half cousins, not in Utah | 11:01 a.m. June 5, 2008

My husband is from a HUGE family both sides--one great grandfather had two wives (he was widowed and remarried) and 18 living children. We once went to a family reunion and met the husband of one of the "cousins". There are so many that we don't usually try to figure out exactly how we relate. The cousin's husband got to telling us about his daughter, "Billie Sue" who was going to the same college that one of our sons was attending. When we got home, we called our son and asked him the last name of the "Billie Sue" he was dating. When he told us, we told him we had met her parents at a family reunion and that they were some sort of cousins. Later that night he called back and asked "what kind of cousins?" We figured it out at "half second cousins, once removed." The kids decided that was too close and broke up--both now happily married to other (non-related, so far as we can figure out) spouses. Daughter's friend at college once broke a date with her to attend another different family reunion--we showed up at the same reunion. Daughter and friend were both surprised.

littleolme | 3:05 p.m. June 5, 2008

Do you think what I think about you is really what you think I think your thinking?? Thnk about that for a minuet. Free agency dosen't mean I have to choose what you think I ought to choose! Oh, by the way Freedom isn't free! You have to sacrifice and pay the price for your liberty! Do we have to sacrifice Land, Children, Human rights, Husbands, Religion??!!??!!

Stinks | 3:11 p.m. June 5, 2008

Even gets stinker!

Interloper | 4:12 p.m. June 5, 2008

So...if there is nothing sketchy about how the YFZ Ranch was purchased, why hasn't the FLDS told the truth about its acquisition when asked? Why did they lie about the purpose of the compound, claiming it was to be used as a hunting lodge? Why did they claim only 100 people lived there when more than 700 did? Why is the FLDS spending so much money to purchase and develop property when they owe the trust more $8 million?

Anonymous | 4:58 p.m. June 5, 2008

The UEP was a trust, put together by the people to proctect the land. Uaually you cannot sue the land. Mr Shirtlift and Judge Jinknes have stolen the trust. The Trust had no bank account. It only held the land. Now they are trying to steal anything we (FLDS) do. Our donations were not to the UEP but to the GOOD Bishop. Now the state has appointed us a bishop that is doing exactily what they accused us of doing. There really hasn't ever been a judgment against it except to steal it. The judge should have been the proctor of it. They did not own it. The FLDS owns it. Trusts are now not a safe place to put things. If you have one it can now be taken over by the goverment on a whim.

David | 5:11 p.m. June 5, 2008

Walt Disney didn't tell the truth about why he wanted to Florida property. So what? There is no obligation to give a reason, you can't ask the color or the person purchasing the property, and neither can you ask the religion.
The trust was stolen and most sit by without complaint. Americans are fast becoming docile fools to their government which is contrary to what the founding fathers anticipated.

to Interloper | 5:39 p.m. June 5, 2008

Since it seams like everything these people do the goverment and hatefull individuals attack, maybe they just want to protect themselves from interlopers.

realitycheck | 5:46 p.m. June 5, 2008

hey Anonymous 4:58pm - you are YFZ - may I ask you a question, please?

If you raised your children in the regular world (I think you know what I mean) and you taught them all about your religion, about good and bad, and being rightous and being a good person - and also how to survive out in the world - and then at 18 you told them that they could move to YFZ or they could go out and make their mark in the world... Which would they choose?

And if they chose YFZ, wouldn't you feel better about them being there, knowing it was their choice?

And if instead they chose to go out and make their mark in the world, wouldn't you be proud of them for their accomplishments? And wouldn't you feel good, knowing that you brought them up as best you could and they were fulfilling their own dreams and hopes?

Would you go to their wedding when they fell in love and decided to get married, even if it wasn't an FLDS wedding? Would you visit your grandchildren even if they weren't wearing long dresses?

I'm simply trying to understand...

Interloper | 6:12 p.m. June 5, 2008

The reasons the court appointed a trustee to oversee the FLDS trust are that assets were being wasted, and, being used to enrich the FLDS elite at the expense of their followers. In fact, the followers own little more than the shirts and prairie dresses they wear. If any leave or are expelled, they have none of the assets that people in mainstream society do. This is another example that the truth about the FLDS is far from what members claim.

John Lambert | 8:10 p.m. June 5, 2008

A half cousin is a child of your mom or dad's half brother or half sister.

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