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Re: 1:55 | 2:52 p.m. June 5, 2008
Your "argument" makes my head hurt. Not only is God imaginary, but
bestiality and same-sex marriage are hardly the same. Thus, your position is
null (and frankly moronic) on two levels.
And like it or not, the world is moving toward my view, not yours. Otherwise you people wouldn't be so upset :D
And like it or not, the world is moving toward my view, not yours. Otherwise you people wouldn't be so upset :D
eany meany | 2:53 p.m. June 5, 2008
TO: So scared! Please! LOL | 1:55 p.m.
"Gays already have equal rights. You want special rights."
If gays are given the right to marry someone of the same sex, you will have that same right, so it would not be "special rights."
"Gays already have equal rights. You want special rights."
If gays are given the right to marry someone of the same sex, you will have that same right, so it would not be "special rights."
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check & mate | 3:08 p.m. June 5, 2008
If homosexuals redefine marriage then they would not be committing fornication
as presently defined. But God knows His definition of marriage, being between a
man and a woman, and when He commanded against fornication He will forever
adhere to his definition of marriage no matter what yours is.
The constancy of God and His position as defined in the Bible pre-date you and your everchanging position (You can always try to manipulate, justify, and even outright redefine in order to suit your whiles. Won't work!). But it is you who are exposed for your deceitfulness, not Him.
You can change the definition of marriage to mean whatever you want, but it will not suddenly trump the original definition.
The constancy of God and His position as defined in the Bible pre-date you and your everchanging position (You can always try to manipulate, justify, and even outright redefine in order to suit your whiles. Won't work!). But it is you who are exposed for your deceitfulness, not Him.
You can change the definition of marriage to mean whatever you want, but it will not suddenly trump the original definition.
To pride cometh | 3:33 p.m. June 5, 2008
You make a big assumption that all gays do is have sex and therefore are
fornicating all the time. While surely it is part of the relationships, I'm
thinking there are precious few heteros to be casting stones.
miney mo | 3:37 p.m. June 5, 2008
but then they would be just as sinless as the other married folk (think about
that one)and that would NEVER do.
Why is that people generally are only comfortable living life the way they consider right if they can point to others who they think are living it wrong.
Why is that people generally are only comfortable living life the way they consider right if they can point to others who they think are living it wrong.
I love it !!! | 3:39 p.m. June 5, 2008
I love the way those opposed to Gay marriage have nothing better to support
their arguments than the dreaded "When people want to marry livestock, THEN
you'll be sorry!!!" argument. Nothing like taking a big leap into
nowhere now is there?? Whats sad is that you people are serious when you think
this could happen!! Tell you what, any dog who can sign his own name, and say
the marriage covenants DESERVES to be married!!
Gay Marriage isn't in the Bible | 3:38 p.m. June 5, 2008
eany meany,
No, it would just mean that your redefined definition of marriage is incorrect.
No, it would just mean that your redefined definition of marriage is incorrect.
Town Heathan | 4:01 p.m. June 5, 2008
Re: So Scared
Yes...you are right... you are soooo scared you ARE Homophobic.
But let's take the same process you used.
LDS (here's where the DN censures me) as a religion per capita has a very high level of child abuse and molestation. Maybe we should ban LDS as a religion because it's dangerous.
Sounds stupid doesn't it?
Well, that's exactly what all this religious flim flam about the Bible sounds like to someone who doesn't believe in it.
And for entertainment....might I add that It was in the bible that the 1st coat of many colors was mentioned. Hmmm it was good enough for Joseph...
Yes...you are right... you are soooo scared you ARE Homophobic.
But let's take the same process you used.
LDS (here's where the DN censures me) as a religion per capita has a very high level of child abuse and molestation. Maybe we should ban LDS as a religion because it's dangerous.
Sounds stupid doesn't it?
Well, that's exactly what all this religious flim flam about the Bible sounds like to someone who doesn't believe in it.
And for entertainment....might I add that It was in the bible that the 1st coat of many colors was mentioned. Hmmm it was good enough for Joseph...
ExMoWeHoMo | 4:07 p.m. June 5, 2008
Remember how God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of life, but he
only did it because he actually wanted them to disobey him to learn a lesson.
I feel like I was commanded not to lie with another man because God really wanted me to.
Besides I think Mormons will be OK with homosexuality in the afterlife, because they hate polygamy now (even though it was a huge cornerstone of the church) but in the afterlife, it's A-OK, men can have as many wives as they please. Sorry, women, only one husband though.
I wonder if homosexuals will be able to have multiple husbands or maybe that privilege will be left to lesbians.
I feel like I was commanded not to lie with another man because God really wanted me to.
Besides I think Mormons will be OK with homosexuality in the afterlife, because they hate polygamy now (even though it was a huge cornerstone of the church) but in the afterlife, it's A-OK, men can have as many wives as they please. Sorry, women, only one husband though.
I wonder if homosexuals will be able to have multiple husbands or maybe that privilege will be left to lesbians.
fr1nk | 4:20 p.m. June 5, 2008
Keep your god out of our democracy.
constancy | 4:21 p.m. June 5, 2008
Those of you who believe in God can certainly live your lives subject to your
interpretation of god's will. Have at it. Find joy in the way you pursue
happiness, life, liberty and your eternal reward.
For those of us who don't choose that type of guidance, it is not the provenance of government to make or keep laws that legislate that we do.
For those of us who don't choose that type of guidance, it is not the provenance of government to make or keep laws that legislate that we do.
Give me a break | 4:23 p.m. June 5, 2008
People live how you choose, but be careful, God is a God of love, but he will
never recognize gay marriage/relationships because it goes against what he has
always commanded. It says it in the bible in multiple places so those of you
who are being ignorant saying that he will change are fooling yourself. He is
the same yesterday, today and forever. Besides, the part of this situation that
worries me the most is the fact that Californians voted for what they wanted and
believed, they won by 22%...and the government told them they are wrong and
changed that. What are they going to change on us next?
RE: em @2:53 | 4:22 p.m. June 5, 2008
Excellent point. :o)
thinking | 4:27 p.m. June 5, 2008
Certainly the LDS church would not be obligated to "seal" same sex
unions. However, all unions being legal would allow faithful gays to enjoy
lifetime partnerships without jeopardizing their church standing and privileges
as the church has iterated time and again obeying, honoring and sustaining the
law. That would therefore seem to be a blessing worth changing the law.
definition | 4:30 p.m. June 5, 2008
Did not god define that the lds should live the precepts of the united order?
plural marriage? Thursday fast meetings?
Perhaps it is a different god to whom you are referring as keeper of a constant intent.
Perhaps it is a different god to whom you are referring as keeper of a constant intent.
in the bible | 4:41 p.m. June 5, 2008
amongst all your quoted scripture I only see reference that man and woman should
cleave, not that they should marry. perhaps the issue to which scriptorians
addressed their remarks was that men needed to be admonished to stop their
infernal fishnet mending, women needed to stop putting a priority on socializing
with their mums and sisters, and they should all get busy cleaving and making
more little children of judah to overthrow the nasty romans. imagine that.
it took some victorian minds to decide that god's will that everybody cleave became an edict to take away the simple joys of cleaving and torture it in their vision of marriage and morality.
it took some victorian minds to decide that god's will that everybody cleave became an edict to take away the simple joys of cleaving and torture it in their vision of marriage and morality.
Anonymous | 5:17 p.m. June 5, 2008
No one can know what God thinks of this so to all you who think you know: Shut
Up!
Anonymous | 5:31 p.m. June 5, 2008
@frink: Wasn't it God that inspired this democracy?
(actually representative republic, but why quibble)
Hetero's will pay for their sins sexual or otherwise,
but hetero behavior by no means justifies Homosexual behavoir.
And by the way, there may be a lot of divorce, but it is nowhere near 50 percent, not even close, that is a false stat, a false myth that has been passed around for a long time, mostly to justify peoples behavior.
Gays asking for marriage do not know what they are asking for, God will not be mocked.
CA rulings DO affect Utah, because lawsuit will happen so UTAH does not have to accept gay marriages made in CA.
So it is really CA shoving there values and choices in Utah face.
(actually representative republic, but why quibble)
Hetero's will pay for their sins sexual or otherwise,
but hetero behavior by no means justifies Homosexual behavoir.
And by the way, there may be a lot of divorce, but it is nowhere near 50 percent, not even close, that is a false stat, a false myth that has been passed around for a long time, mostly to justify peoples behavior.
Gays asking for marriage do not know what they are asking for, God will not be mocked.
CA rulings DO affect Utah, because lawsuit will happen so UTAH does not have to accept gay marriages made in CA.
So it is really CA shoving there values and choices in Utah face.
John Lambert | 9:39 p.m. June 5, 2008
To "LDS" Democrat:
How can you be LDS and oppose the direct teaching of the brethren?
That said, we are not talking about police power. We are not talking about the state arresting people who live in same-gender "marriages". We are not talking about arresting priests, rabbis or other people who perform same-gender commitment ceremonies.
We are talking about the the state pro-actively recognizes, not what police power is used. These are very different issues.
Also, in case you missed the news, the ERA was NOT approved. How did you stand on that issue anyway?
How can you be LDS and oppose the direct teaching of the brethren?
That said, we are not talking about police power. We are not talking about the state arresting people who live in same-gender "marriages". We are not talking about arresting priests, rabbis or other people who perform same-gender commitment ceremonies.
We are talking about the the state pro-actively recognizes, not what police power is used. These are very different issues.
Also, in case you missed the news, the ERA was NOT approved. How did you stand on that issue anyway?
SIlly silly people | 10:23 a.m. June 6, 2008
"It's very simple - if you don't believe in same-sex marriage
then don't marry someone of the same-sex." - Wanda Sykes
To the religious zealots on here - gay people just don't care. you can quote scripture all you want but we don't care. we simply expect equal treatment under the law, just like you do. the reason you all want constitutional amendments is because the constitution doesn't support your narrow minded ways. all your reasons simply sum up to religious tyrants trying to enforce others to live how they demand which is a hard slap in the face to the principles on which this country was founded. if you want to live in a society that enforces your religion try Iran. They'd love you there.
To the religious zealots on here - gay people just don't care. you can quote scripture all you want but we don't care. we simply expect equal treatment under the law, just like you do. the reason you all want constitutional amendments is because the constitution doesn't support your narrow minded ways. all your reasons simply sum up to religious tyrants trying to enforce others to live how they demand which is a hard slap in the face to the principles on which this country was founded. if you want to live in a society that enforces your religion try Iran. They'd love you there.
Democracy | 10:29 a.m. June 6, 2008
To all those of you who invoke the margin of victory in California's
propositional ban on gay marriage : the people aren't always right.
that's why we have the judiciary. slavery was ever so so popular in the
south. does that make it moral? should the government have upheld it? if you
don't like the judiciary protecting rights from the whims of the people
move to Venezuala
Don't Care a whit | 7:24 p.m. June 8, 2008
To everyone in this discussion... may I say that I do not care a whit about what
you have to say about God's will, God's plan, God's anger, or
God's judgment. These are simply matters that are between him and I. I am
not interested in living in a Theocracy.... anyone remember the late Ayatollah
from Iran....? Some of our religious "leaders" would take us to the
same level of idiocy if they obtained the power. I feel the same way about your
objections to my being able to marry as you would if I formed the United Church
of Gayness and lobbied for only same sex marriages to be recognized because my
God said so in our sacred texts... ridiculous? I think not... sounds the same as
what I'm hearing from you people. Keep your morality, bible and religious
nonsense to yourself, and let me deal with God in my own way. Meanwhile, you
quit beating your kids, neglecting your spouses, having affairs and concentrate
on making YOUR marriage be what it should.
Re: Don't Care a Whit | 10:19 a.m. June 9, 2008
"Meanwhile, you quit beating your kids, neglecting your spouses, having
affairs and concentrate on making YOUR marriage be what it should."
And what exactly makes you think any of that applies to us?
It's very simple. Nobody opposed to the idea of gay marriage feels that their own relationship will be threatened by a gay couple getting married. All the people saying, "MY marriage isn't threatened!" like ours are, are simply ridiculous. Nobody said this would effect our relationships in any way.
We are not bigoted, homophobic, or otherwise prejudiced. I happen to know and care about several people that just happen to be homosexual. I have nothing whatsoever against them personally, nor do I have anything against you.
I do, however, believe first and foremost in doing what the Lord asks of us. The prophet has said that Heavenly Father is against this law being passed, and I believe that. It is in direct opposition to the Lord's plan, and when the prophet says that we should do what we can to show our support for heterosexual marriage, that is what we try to do.
You don't have to like it, but please, stop insulting us.
And what exactly makes you think any of that applies to us?
It's very simple. Nobody opposed to the idea of gay marriage feels that their own relationship will be threatened by a gay couple getting married. All the people saying, "MY marriage isn't threatened!" like ours are, are simply ridiculous. Nobody said this would effect our relationships in any way.
We are not bigoted, homophobic, or otherwise prejudiced. I happen to know and care about several people that just happen to be homosexual. I have nothing whatsoever against them personally, nor do I have anything against you.
I do, however, believe first and foremost in doing what the Lord asks of us. The prophet has said that Heavenly Father is against this law being passed, and I believe that. It is in direct opposition to the Lord's plan, and when the prophet says that we should do what we can to show our support for heterosexual marriage, that is what we try to do.
You don't have to like it, but please, stop insulting us.
YBU | 4:05 p.m. June 9, 2008
@ Re: Don't Care a Whit | 10:19 a.m.
At least you are honest in stating that you are following you prophet's advise in fighting against same-sex marriage. I respect that. I know that you believe that it is against Gos's plan, but I don't understand how you can be an American citizen and hold that your beliefs should be made into law. It goes against what you were taught in school about our country and its freedoms. That must be a quandary for you, if you really think about it.
At least you are honest in stating that you are following you prophet's advise in fighting against same-sex marriage. I respect that. I know that you believe that it is against Gos's plan, but I don't understand how you can be an American citizen and hold that your beliefs should be made into law. It goes against what you were taught in school about our country and its freedoms. That must be a quandary for you, if you really think about it.
Mixed Issues Part 1 | 4:28 p.m. June 9, 2008
Part 1
We are mixing two issues here. Religion and taxes. If God's commandments should be legal and all others illegal then why do we still sell Alcohol, tobacco and pornography. Legalizing Gay marriage is not about God...it is about money. And the reason they want it legal is to have the same tax advantages, and monetary benefits that �married� couples enjoy. The ruling by the supreme court wasn't about fairness to the constitution. It was to ward off a potentially devastating tax problem. California has a �domestic� partner ruling that allows Gay couples some of those governmental benefits, but only �same sex� couples are allowed to file for these privileges. Heterosexual domestic partners were not entitled to the same benefits and are in the process of filing law suits against the state for �Fairness�. California, realizing the devastating tax issues and benefit payouts that it would have to incur found a solution. Legalize �Gay� marriages. Then do away with the Domestic partner clause. This way the Heterosexual couples would have only one choice if they wanted to enjoy the same monetary benefits. ..Get married..
We are mixing two issues here. Religion and taxes. If God's commandments should be legal and all others illegal then why do we still sell Alcohol, tobacco and pornography. Legalizing Gay marriage is not about God...it is about money. And the reason they want it legal is to have the same tax advantages, and monetary benefits that �married� couples enjoy. The ruling by the supreme court wasn't about fairness to the constitution. It was to ward off a potentially devastating tax problem. California has a �domestic� partner ruling that allows Gay couples some of those governmental benefits, but only �same sex� couples are allowed to file for these privileges. Heterosexual domestic partners were not entitled to the same benefits and are in the process of filing law suits against the state for �Fairness�. California, realizing the devastating tax issues and benefit payouts that it would have to incur found a solution. Legalize �Gay� marriages. Then do away with the Domestic partner clause. This way the Heterosexual couples would have only one choice if they wanted to enjoy the same monetary benefits. ..Get married..
Mixed issues part 2 | 4:29 p.m. June 9, 2008
I was involved in proposition 22 and I will once again be involved in this
November�s proposition�But I do
believe that no matter what our religion, race, creed or color, we should all
have the same protections and benefits that government affords its citizens.
Just don�t call it Marriage. That word and the ordinance
with it is totally religious. It�s very foundation is based
on commandments. Leave it to Religion. And under the law deal with the
cohabitation issues and what tax and benefit issues there will be. (One example
is will same-sex couples with children be allowed to file for welfare benefits?
Remember the foreigners in the 70�s who just wanted to
marry an American so they could gain citizenship in the US. The loopholes are so
vast for where we are headed. Think about the door this opens for polygamist
now.)
Mixed issues Part 3 | 4:30 p.m. June 9, 2008
What makes one person homosexual and another heterosexual is what they do in
their bedrooms. My opinion it should be left in the bed room. Extending
�marriages� to gays will only create
more problems. Where does it stop? We need to find a fair way for all of us to
deal on this earth together. I don�t have any
answer�Just wanted you to see this
isn�t about loving someone, or religion. It is all about
the DOLLAR!
A Concerned Californian!
A Concerned Californian!
Anonymous | 5:56 p.m. June 9, 2008
In the early seventies it was all about "we don't need a piece of
paper (marriage) to prove we love each other". Free love, co habitation
without a marriage license. Now it's same sex partners who can't live
without the marriage license. It's crazy!! The world goes round and
round...good being called evil, and evil called good.
Re: Re... | 10:32 p.m. June 10, 2008
Re: Don't Care a Whit | 10:19 a.m.
We don't insult you. You insult yourselves with your lame excuses for bigotry and your attempts to convince the world that God told you to be such bigots in the name of righteousness when clearly Jesus taught otherwise.
We don't insult you. You insult yourselves with your lame excuses for bigotry and your attempts to convince the world that God told you to be such bigots in the name of righteousness when clearly Jesus taught otherwise.
blast from the past | 12:19 p.m. June 11, 2008
I'm still against interracial marriages! Look how they have brought this
country to its knees just as gay marriage will!
Why do bigots have to be so against the happiness of others?
Why do bigots have to be so against the happiness of others?
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