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California upholds ruling; Utah aimed to prevent litigation

Published: Thursday, June 5 2008 12:07 a.m. MDT

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Remco

I hope that gay marriage is allowed in the entire US from this day onwards. If they want to get married, than they should be able to...especially in a country that claims to be the land of the free. I thought that even conservatives would be in favor of marriage...after all they say it is a sacred bond between 2 people (never mind the gender)...so let them be bonded. So why can't we all just get along and have some fun? Here in Holland we try to...

phoebe


Divorce attorneys are behind the same sex marriage.

Matt MO.

This is not Holland. We here try to live the basic laws of God. Where the commandment given in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth" Genesis 1:28. And also the commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery." and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbours." Being gay or lesbian you cannot keep these commandments. So if man says it's ok it is still wrong in the eyes of our creator and we would have to face his judgment sooner or later.

Anonymous

Utah has no business telling other states how to regulate marriage.

re MattMo

Why don't you worry about keeping your own house clean, and let GOD be the judge of everyone else. K?

dave

The biblical reference you quoted was referring to a beast of burden not a posterior.

Oh, and why is the government in the marriage business? Sounds socialist to me. Are you a socialist?

Californian

This letter is to the people of Utah. Please don't tell us what to do. From here it looks like your state has plenty of other issues to deal with. Utah is dealing with significant probems with pollution, depression, bankruptcies, polygamy, etc. etc. Nobody likes it when another state tries to tell it what to do. Please mind your own business.

rainmaker

What's the big hurry when it was a narrow decision for gay marriage in California?

Four Corners

Hurray for the political process!

If CA voters choose to make only hetero marriage legal, won't the courts still have the ability to say it's unconstitutional? It's the purpose of a 3 branch government.

Legalize morality is extremely difficult unless it is based on equality for all. Laws are created to protect the minority, not the majority. The majority already has protection.

We can be a funny state. Mormons came here in 1847 when it was part of Mexico to circumvent federal influence, as Mormons were the minority.

Go California and Mass!

Jon

To Anonymous, Utah's not telling CA what they can and can't do, they were just asking CA to put off implementing the ruling so that UT can prepare for the lawsuits that are going to happen as a result of CA's decision. Basically they're asking CA to hold off for a while so that CA's ruling doesn't affect UT (the opposite of what you accuse UT of trying to do).

To Dave, when gays and lesbians made marriage a political issue, the government has every right to get in the marriage business. Remember, it wasn't the conservatives that started making a stink out of it, it was the GLBT community.

Gary

Californian wrote:

"This letter is to the people of Utah. Please don't tell us what to do. From here it looks like your state has plenty of other issues to deal with. Utah is dealing with significant probems with pollution, depression, bankruptcies, polygamy, etc. etc. Nobody likes it when another state tries to tell it what to do. Please mind your own business."

I have to agree. Utah had no right telling California what to do. Just as Utah would not like it if California told us what to do.

On behalf of the people of Utah, I apologize. Also, go Lakers!!

Agenda

So California gets to set the agenda for every other state now? We can live in a free country and can be free to have our own opinion as long as it dosent go against the California happy living agenda! Please government sanction my life style "choice" because my church and the moral police won't.

Instereo

Many LDS seem to forget that in the pre-existence the War in Heaven was about freedom of choice. Forcing someone to your moral standard is not God's way but Satan's way. Therefore I'd say let California do what it wants and Utah should stay out of it. Forcing people to be moral will never work. I don't trust anyone that wants to force their morality on me because they seem to forget other moral issues like Health Care, Immigration, Tax Breaks for the Rich, and War and think it's OK for the poor to pay in all these areas while the rich get a break.

Abraham the Lesser

Eleven score and two years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil debate on gay marriage, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great technological battlefield of that debate. Many have died to protect the equality and liberty of all. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that the honored dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth; that all men may be created equal in word as well as in very deed as we remove the shackles which have kept many from enjoying the full blessings of liberty and equality in marriage.

RE: Californian 8:00am

Dear California Supremes,

We the people of California told you what we wanted. Remember Prop 22. It passed not by a narrow margins, but by 22% more than the opposition. In a narrowest margin possible (4-3), you have decided to thwart the will and voice of the people. I encourage all people from all states to stand up for the rights of the people to pass laws they feel are appropriate.

Sincerely,
Torrance CA

P.S. Just so UTHANS don't feel too bad. CA has other problems too: teenage pregnacy, gangs, foreclosures, lack of affordable housing, energy policy, water policy, growth policy, emminent domain, government corruption, illegal immigrants, nanny-state laws, democrats run amok, unions controlling public policy, and the State is bankrupt not just the citizens.

Golden State Guy

Because I strongly support traditonal marriage, I also strongly support gay marriage.

And as a Sacramento, California resident, I welcome gays in Utah and elsewhere to come here to get married and receive the same legal benefits that are enjoyed by those who are in traditional marriages. CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME!

Anonymous

Simply put, the California court just negated the majority vote in California statsting that " Marriage is between a one man and one woman" because it was a law not an amendment to the State Constitution. The judges simply stated, to bad folks, we can strike your vote down. In November, the Constitutional Amendment will be voted on and passed. THe judges want to cause as much trouble as possible for all by not staying the execution of the order untill November . Time for the folks to take back the legislature and courts to keep men in black robes from ruling by fiat.

Susan

Gays think that if they can legally marry it will somehow make their lifestyle not immoral. It won't. The millions of people who believe homosexuality is wrong will keep believing it's wrong whether it's legal or not. The truly sad thought is that children raised by gays are the ones that suffer. Every child needs a MOTHER and a FATHER. Every gay person I know had a mother and a father. Why do they think it's ok to deny their children of this need.

CTR

I applaud the CA Court's denial to stay their decision.

Yes the Utah courts will now have to grapple with issues related to CA couples marrying and moving/returning to Utah. (This is on the horizon for Utah courts anyway, whatever the CA court's decision had been because of Mass. marriages.) More significant, It seems to me, is that the Court's denial now reframes the debate. It will now be a more difficult hurdle for those pushing the measure to amend the CA constitution. Actual, real couples will marry. When people are asked to vote to remove rights from people---rights that are already in place, they tend to be more reluctant.

Still might happen, but its a harder sell.

To Jon/8:14 am

Gay and lesbians have always wanted the right to get married. It is just lately that they have tried and when conservatives were upset, CONSERVATIVES passed a law to prohibit it. The courts were then called upon to determine whether the law was constitutional. It wasn't.

The government has always been in the marriage business. They are the ones granting rights and privileges to married couples.

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