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California court denies Shurtleff request to delay same-sex marriages
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Why not focus on cleaning up your own backyard before you start whining about your neighbor's.
Why not wait on the voters and avoid a circus?
Because CA doesn't really care about voters or marriage.
Typical homosexual marriage farce theatrics.
Don't worry, your right to oppose marriage for gay couples won't be harmed. Utah needn't recognize these marriages. People who believe as you do can congregate in places like Utah where opposition is strong. Those who don't can vote with their feet and relocate to places like California.
Those who believe in God, and who DO NOT HATE others because they're different -- or those who follow the false God of hatred and government control?
You're in the minority now. Get used to it.
Children suffer when they are confused about their identity. It may be because their parents or friends choose an alternative lifestyle.
What ever the reason, I oppose same sex marriage.
I believe children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity
Sorry, the courts gave you false hope of making your 'relationship' legit. We the people WILL SPEAK.
Today, 51 percent of California voters favor gay marriages. Has the courts contradicted the will of the majority of Californians?
When gay marriage wins at the polls in California you will be faced seeing which way the momentum is going in America.
"Our judiciary better not overturn the will of the people here in Utah. "
Guess what? you need to go back to civics, because the purpose of checks and balances and the point of having a judicial system is to ensure that the will of a racist, homophobic majority don't surpress the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to people who have beliefs they don't.
The judicial system is in place to protect us (and the mormon church for that matter) from bigots like this.
I don't like it
"Children suffer when they are confused about their identity. It may be because their parents or friends choose an alternative lifestyle."
I grew up in Salt Lake in the suburbs and if children were not in an active LDS family, they suffered. They did not receive the socialization of primary. They were always thought of as just a little less. They were never part of mutual and sports. We ostracized them. I realize that now.
Maybe we should outlaw anyone being different. It sure would help the kids so that they wouldn't suffer.
It's the first step in the healing process.
One would think the government and citizens of Utah would have enough to focus on without worrying about California. One would almost think you are jealous.
If you can't appreciate fairness and equality for all then maybe you are in the wrong country period.
Father's Day is June 15th for those heterosexuals who can't keep it straight. (Pun intended.)
Finally, if your marriage is so weak that it is threatened by someone else's union, that's your fault.
But if your marriage is that weak there's no way you can talk to your children about love one another, do unto others as you would have them do unto you . . .
but I'm sure you'll indoctrinate them to hate anyone different. You right wing moralists always do that.
Even though I've had to wait a long time to be able to marry my partner, we've still been able to have children. There are no laws requiring people be married to reproduce.
And for a religion that's supposedly based on free agency and family, I can't understand why they're constantly attacking me and mine.
Your 51% statistics are based on polling which of course is VERY error prone. Don't assume that a majority of us are pro gay marriage just because those who oppose gay marriage don't spend all of their time commenting in these "reader comment" sections or demonstrating in SF. Let's wait until November.
Well, perhaps it made sense to the type of people who think it's their business to tell strangers who they can or can't marry. That is, busybodies.
This was just typical Utah grandstanding. Good for the Cal Supremes!
Personally, I LOVE it!! Great news to hear just before this weekend!!
Government involvement in marriage has one main purpose, to protect the interests of vulnerable citizens, i.e. children and mothers. Since gays don't have children in the normal course of things, and such relationships don't involve a disadvantaged partner (such as a woman who bears children and is the primary caregiver, thus limiting her earnings and career opportunities), there's nobody to protect. Yes, gays can have children from former relationships or adoption or infertility treatment, but those are exceptions, not the norm. Gay households in general are far wealthier than the average American household, so there's also nobody to protect financially. Any contractual benefit that accrues to marriage can be obtained through other legal means anyway.
As far as sexual relationships go, limiting marriage to one man/one woman has no effect on gays. Nobody cares what they do, and the SCOTUS ruled that sodomy laws were unconstitutional, if on very shaky grounds. Someday the incest and polygamy laws are going to be thrown out too, and we'll have ourselves to blame.
In many cases it is. Some people are wired that way, others enjoy the attention, others just like the thrill of that lifestyle, etc... There are many reasons. Unfortunately, the human mind is very adaptable and even if the lifestyle is started for reasons other than biological makeup, it can finish as a bit of an addiction. Only God knows the specifics of each case!
Nonetheless, homosexual marriage defeats the whole purpose of marriage since marriage is designed to be a commitment between a man and a woman under which they can bring children into the world. This fundamental part of a marriage union is not possible with homosexual marriage.
Times are changing in the way gay people are being treated. Accept it and move on, or pull over and let the rest of us pass you by.
Massachusetts has had marriage equality for years now, with no ill effects. California's law does not have the residency requirement Massachusetts' does, which may mean Utah's amendment will be challenged a bit sooner--but people from Massachusetts move to Utah.
The Utah challenge will happen either way. To pretend that California's so-called "activist" Republican judges have anything to do with it is disingenuous.
Sure, times change but certain things don't. For example, homosexual marriages cannot produce children. No matter how much we try to pretend that things are changing, this fundamental rule of nature slaps us in the face and reminds us that some things are not changing at all. Just as true today as it was at the beginning of the human civilization.
california voter is correct. I expect this is going to be a nasty fight over the next 4 months or so. California voter, I assume will be voting FOR the amendment. I, another california voter, will be voting against it.
I'm very curious to see what official involvement, if any, the LDS church will pursue.
Don't suggest to me that a homosexual union is biologically equivalent to my heterosexual one. To say otherwise is biologically indefensible.
And after all the moralizing, holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, family values BS, the US Supreme Court will rule it isn't really anybody's (blanking) business but the private parties involved.
But neocons hate to be told what to do. Especially if its a live-and-let live thingy.
It's not all about "reproducing". Also, research suggests the kids turn out to be happy, healthy, and normal.
Why are all these gay California people commenting on a Deseret News story in Utah?
And now I am surely going to be called a bigot by all the gay people. No, I have a right to an opinion protected by the Constitution - GAY Marriage is not protected by the Constitution (except for the recent change in MA) and this would cause the Founding Fathers (including John Adams who drafted the MA Constitution) to not only roll over in their grave but also to vomit in disgust. I do not have to "accept" your decision to be gay, and be "okay with it".
It is one of the most unnatural freakish, disgusting things in the world.
NorCal said: "Utah needs to worry about Utah"
Perhaps NorCal should worry about California.
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