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Walther | 1:16 a.m. June 2, 2008
Step right up and sign a petition to remove Judge Walther. Google gopetition
walther.
Interloper | 1:50 a.m. June 2, 2008
It is a good thing that all of the plaintiffs' attorneys did not go along
with the incredibly bad idea of claiming that Judge Walther lacked the authority
to place reasonable conditions on the release of the children. As I have said
all along, she does.
Hopefully, the FLDS mothers who are not returning to YFZ Ranch will maintain their resolve under pressure, especially those with pubescent daughters.
There should be two other caveats:
� Children who do not want to be returned to YFZ Ranch should not be forced to, and
� Any children for which there is evidence of physical or sexual abuse should not be returned to their putative parents.
Hopefully, the FLDS mothers who are not returning to YFZ Ranch will maintain their resolve under pressure, especially those with pubescent daughters.
There should be two other caveats:
� Children who do not want to be returned to YFZ Ranch should not be forced to, and
� Any children for which there is evidence of physical or sexual abuse should not be returned to their putative parents.
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TeXassume | 3:57 a.m. June 2, 2008
Interloper CPS does not have evidence that any of the children were abused...
One other condition. | 5:25 a.m. June 2, 2008
The authorities should be able to ensure that children are returned to their
real, biological, parents, and not "parents" to whom they have been
assigned by the FLDS.
AG | 5:30 a.m. June 2, 2008
So the order won't be signed by all the mothers after all. Good. I would
never sign away my fourth amendment rights either. Now the question is, how much
authority does Judge Walther have with respect to ordering an arbitrary set of
conditions so far not agreed to by all parties? Tricky question, especially
since all parties have not been fully identified, i.e. the scope of the
investigation, i.e. the exact persons investigated, remains unknown. It boils
down to essentially having the authority to put an entire town (or anyone who
lived at YFZ at the time of the raid) on house arrest and revoking their fourth
amendment rights permanently until further notice. Can a judge do this without
signed agreements by those subjected to the order? I don't think so,
that's why she was intent on getting the order signed by the mothers. I
think she has no option but either a) sign individual restraining orders against
persons identified as associated with risk supported by evidence b) not set any
conditions. Either way, she will have to vacate her temporary orders from the 14
day hearing and return the children.
Protect children from CPS | 5:50 a.m. June 2, 2008
I wonder how many of these poor children have been abused and molested in the
last 2 months in foster care?
mensem | 5:52 a.m. June 2, 2008
Please- send these kids home and get on with the investigation... Walthers had
her day in court, she lost, and now it's time to go on...
hey interloper | 6:13 a.m. June 2, 2008
You forgot one other thing, 29 year olds should not be listed as minors simply
because CPS says so and despite legal documentation. How many times does CPS
have to lie until you stop believing them?
More Punishment for the "Guilty" | 6:22 a.m. June 2, 2008
Once again, no verdict of guilty and these parents are still being
punished..without any evidence (3rd court of appeals). Another 1,000 dollars in
gas (yes, exaggerating, but still money out of pocket) to gather the children
who were ILLEGALLY placed from one side of Texas to the Other. Still guilty
until proven innocent here in Texas and you pay mightily for it. Get the
children home ASAP so the healing may begin (unless CPS looks for a crumb
(literal) under the table to re-remove them again)...
When they go home, I doubt this will be the end of CPS "intervention"..even after the classes are done. I still can't believe they are taking parenting classes..they have a lot to teach us in mothering (don't go off on "lost boys" and how horrible the mothers are--prove ONE case from YFZ and I will take it back)...
When they go home, I doubt this will be the end of CPS "intervention"..even after the classes are done. I still can't believe they are taking parenting classes..they have a lot to teach us in mothering (don't go off on "lost boys" and how horrible the mothers are--prove ONE case from YFZ and I will take it back)...
Re: One other condition | 6:27 a.m. June 2, 2008
CPS allowed these same mothers access to their children without question. Even
the court documents affirm that CPS knows exactly which child belongs to which
parent. Just read the legal documents and ignore the gossip.
Luv2hammer | 6:33 a.m. June 2, 2008
Some of the children are located at Boys and Girls Country. Talking to some
people on location I found that extreme efforts were put into place to keep the
boys located there away (non-FLDS)from the girls. I don't see where that is
a better or more healthy environment than their home in Eldorado.
I am a Texan and can't even imagine the State of Texas being a party to such a travesty. I hope the people living in Schleicher County, Texas register to vote and remove the transgressors in elected positions. The judge, Judge Walther, has ignored court orders from the Texas Supreme Court because it doesn�t meet her agenda. This is nothing more than persecution.
I am a Texan and can't even imagine the State of Texas being a party to such a travesty. I hope the people living in Schleicher County, Texas register to vote and remove the transgressors in elected positions. The judge, Judge Walther, has ignored court orders from the Texas Supreme Court because it doesn�t meet her agenda. This is nothing more than persecution.
zxcvbnm | 6:40 a.m. June 2, 2008
The supreme court has ruled and today is the deadline.
What other stalling tactic will be used to keep those children away from their parents?
This travesty has gone on long enough and the longer it continues the greater the cost to the citizens of this state and the greater the need to revamp the entire CPS structure. There are more than just the FLDS children abused by this system.
RE: More punishment | 6:59 a.m. June 2, 2008
I will happily go on about lost boys since it seems for the most part that is
also a lie. The vast majority of the "boys" were legal adults. I
don't find it outrageous for an 18 to be asked to leave or even kicked out
for smoking. I happen to be asthmatic and that could kill me. Some were 20
when they were asked to leave. I hardly consider that a "boy." But
heck, nobody bothers to check for facts so it makes for a great soundbite.
Stop the Abuse | 7:12 a.m. June 2, 2008
Since the FLDS appear unwilling to change their practices voluntarily, Texas
must do whatever it takes to prevent the FLDS from forcing underage girls into
marriages.
The pedophiles among them, of course, want to be able to marry any girl they choose without any age restriction.
If the FLDS parents won't protect their girls from abuse, then society must.
The pedophiles among them, of course, want to be able to marry any girl they choose without any age restriction.
If the FLDS parents won't protect their girls from abuse, then society must.
JND | 7:14 a.m. June 2, 2008
Dear TeXassume,
"Interloper CPS does not have evidence that any of the children were abused..."
YOU are assuming this. I have personal knowledge that CPS does have evidence that some of the children were abused. Call me when the criminal investigations are complete, and you can pay me your losing bet.
"Interloper CPS does not have evidence that any of the children were abused..."
YOU are assuming this. I have personal knowledge that CPS does have evidence that some of the children were abused. Call me when the criminal investigations are complete, and you can pay me your losing bet.
Jackie84604 | 7:21 a.m. June 2, 2008
Why the delay? Send the children back to their parents NOW. They had no
grounds to do what they did, and what they did was incredibly wrong for children
and families. Send them back NOW.
to JND | 7:38 a.m. June 2, 2008
Are you also aware that there is evidence, including hospitalizations, that
prove CPS neglected FLDS children to the point of dehydration and shock?
Clearly ALL children from ALL CPS employees should be justifiably removed based
on your belief.
if | 7:41 a.m. June 2, 2008
If your "personal knowledge" of children being abused was so good, why
was it not presented before the court? Oh wait, it seems there was NO EVIDENCE
presented before the courts (Appeals and Supreme), so your comment was a lie
based on gossip or you simply made it up.
COSMO | 7:45 a.m. June 2, 2008
Many like Interloper are just worshipping their "God
Government". The fact that CPS classified adults as children,and found no actual evidence of abuse,or that the infamous phone call was a hoax,or even that
two higher courts stated effectively as such, and that Judge Walther was wrong, means nothing. Since facts have no meaning,then it must be,the following.
1) They are bigoted whack jobs.
2) They have a political agenda.
3) Government is their God,and as such it cannot do
wrong.
Government". The fact that CPS classified adults as children,and found no actual evidence of abuse,or that the infamous phone call was a hoax,or even that
two higher courts stated effectively as such, and that Judge Walther was wrong, means nothing. Since facts have no meaning,then it must be,the following.
1) They are bigoted whack jobs.
2) They have a political agenda.
3) Government is their God,and as such it cannot do
wrong.
Not Surprising | 7:54 a.m. June 2, 2008
"Some were 20 when they were asked to leave."
Imagine being an FLDS patriarch and looking around to see 18, 19, even, gasp, 20-year-old men still living at home. The horror!
I can see why these old geezers would want to get rid of as many of them as possible. Don't want the young guys hanging around to attract the attention of those even younger girls.
Brainwash the mothers and girls into subservience. Get rid of the excess boys before they become men.
Such kind, loving families.
Imagine being an FLDS patriarch and looking around to see 18, 19, even, gasp, 20-year-old men still living at home. The horror!
I can see why these old geezers would want to get rid of as many of them as possible. Don't want the young guys hanging around to attract the attention of those even younger girls.
Brainwash the mothers and girls into subservience. Get rid of the excess boys before they become men.
Such kind, loving families.
zxcvbnm | 7:55 a.m. June 2, 2008
There are five girls on the bishops list under 16, three are tied to Jeffs.
There are your under age "brides"
The "pregnant teens" were 26 and 27. Other women were pregnant at 16, the age of consent in Texas untill 10/01/05.
The authenticity of the Bishops list has yet to be determined, the author has yet to be identified and the information on the list has yet to be confirmed.
Top it all off the "evidence" collected may be thrown out in criminal court because of the nature of its discovery.
Way to go Texas.......Law enforcement at its worst.
To not surprising | 8:07 a.m. June 2, 2008
Parents are not required to keep their offspring in their homes, once they reach
the age of consent which "lost boys" for the most part are at. If
those same children participate in behavior that is unacceptable based on family
rules, being asked to leave is not uncommon even outside of the ranch. Perhaps
you are an enabler, but most people are not and would demand a change in
behavior or a request to leave. "Boys" are also not age 18 and up.
Those are men who are able to vote and die for this country. Again, if you
chose to enable your own children allowing them to break your rules under your
own roof, but I certainly will not especially when the birds are old enough and
skilled enough (which the evidence shows they are) to fly away from the nest.
There are plenty of women like you in Italy that are having charges filed
against them for not cutting the apron strings. Again, it's called
enabling. Look it up.
Re: zxcvbnm | 7:55 a.m. | 8:11 a.m. June 2, 2008
"There are five girls on the bishops list under 16, three are tied to
Jeffs."
Since Jeffs is still the prophet and leader of the FLDS, any evidence that he taught, participated in and performed forced underage marriages casts suspicion on the entire group.
From all indications, the FLDS don't seem to think there should be any age restrictions on when a girl can be forced to marry.
Since Jeffs is still the prophet and leader of the FLDS, any evidence that he taught, participated in and performed forced underage marriages casts suspicion on the entire group.
From all indications, the FLDS don't seem to think there should be any age restrictions on when a girl can be forced to marry.
take the abusers | 8:19 a.m. June 2, 2008
Texas took the wrong people. They should of taken the Men preying on the young
girls. Don't return the children until all DNA tests are back and the real
families are ID. Then arrest the fathers who raped young girls that had been
brain washed.
Anonymous | 8:28 a.m. June 2, 2008
They should have no restrictions because they were not found guilty, these
children are being held against their will and I AM SO SHOCKED THAT AMERICA is
standing by and letting this continue.. Walther should immediately be
restrained and held accountable along with all of CPS .. they can never rapair
the damage that has been done to these children by kidnapping them from their
Mothers..
Anonymous | 8:37 a.m. June 2, 2008
DO NOT MAKE ANY DEAL WITH THIS JUDGE OR CHILD PROTECTIVE...are you out of your
minds. FIGHT EVERY PART OF IT! THIS IS ALL A SET UP TO do this all again down
the road can you see that! Unconditional. The child protective should be put
in jail for their false search and seizure. The judge should be nailed also.
Child Protective is doing this all over the USA , no person called in or it was
one of their own. I know because I have been working with them for many many
years!
Gray Wolf | 8:42 a.m. June 2, 2008
Some of you posters remind me of birds feeding on dead animals. Anything done in
the name of the law is furiously torn apart.
Thoughtful posters are few when it comes to defenders of the FLDS life style. You are frequently so obvious.
You teach your people to tell part truths, lie and how not to cooperate with CPS and legal authorities...then expect other posters to believe anything you say. You do all this while living a lifestyle which is against the law... and worse, you rob taxpayers by having "spiritual" wives who apparently qualifiy for welfare benefits.
It is oh so much needed that legal authorities set limits on your behaviour, no matter how you try to tear their decisions apart.
Go Texas!
Thoughtful posters are few when it comes to defenders of the FLDS life style. You are frequently so obvious.
You teach your people to tell part truths, lie and how not to cooperate with CPS and legal authorities...then expect other posters to believe anything you say. You do all this while living a lifestyle which is against the law... and worse, you rob taxpayers by having "spiritual" wives who apparently qualifiy for welfare benefits.
It is oh so much needed that legal authorities set limits on your behaviour, no matter how you try to tear their decisions apart.
Go Texas!
restrictions | 8:52 a.m. June 2, 2008
The only indication about age of marriage came from one 9 year old. Ask any 9
year old their views on marriage and you will be surprised and may also likely
reply "I don't know." They are simply too young to adequately
answer such a question.
CPS could legally have demanded that all men be removed from the Ranch and that was one of the problems per the Court of Appeals argument. They took the worst scenario and made it the first scenario...the removal of all children against the recommendation of the experts testifying.
There is no evidence that any fathers raped anybody. Please stick with facts over gossip. And for the love of man, read the legal documents.
CPS could legally have demanded that all men be removed from the Ranch and that was one of the problems per the Court of Appeals argument. They took the worst scenario and made it the first scenario...the removal of all children against the recommendation of the experts testifying.
There is no evidence that any fathers raped anybody. Please stick with facts over gossip. And for the love of man, read the legal documents.
To Gray Wolf | 8:57 a.m. June 2, 2008
This is not about defending the FLDS, but any minority group in which gossip is
considered fact. Two higher courts have agreed that there is NO EVIDENCE. When
will you get that through your head. A 29 year old just had her status changed
from "minor." How many lies must CPS tell before you stop believing
them? These adult women had legal documentation that CPS refused. Why do you
defend that action?
The FLDS are not legally required to cooperate. This is especially important when the Supreme Court of TX has previously ruled against the CPS which is documented in the court records. Many women did cooperate even offering drivers licenses and birth certificates which CPS ignored. Why is that acceptable to you? Should you be pulled over, should the cops rule your drivers license invalid and pull your children from the car?
Their lifestyle is not against the law since all they are doing is shacking up. And no FLDS in TX applied for any welfare benefits....NONE. Stick with facts and not gossip and the court have twice ruled there was NO EVIDENCE to suggest a need to remove ALL children.
The FLDS are not legally required to cooperate. This is especially important when the Supreme Court of TX has previously ruled against the CPS which is documented in the court records. Many women did cooperate even offering drivers licenses and birth certificates which CPS ignored. Why is that acceptable to you? Should you be pulled over, should the cops rule your drivers license invalid and pull your children from the car?
Their lifestyle is not against the law since all they are doing is shacking up. And no FLDS in TX applied for any welfare benefits....NONE. Stick with facts and not gossip and the court have twice ruled there was NO EVIDENCE to suggest a need to remove ALL children.
Fight till the end | 8:59 a.m. June 2, 2008
To all the FLDS. Please use every aspect of this complete ignorance of your
FEDERAL rights to SUE,
SUE,SUE. The Local Yokals have given you a chance to show the Country the real reasons for there theft of your children.
Be sure to get all the damages paid for by the illegal raid of the Ranch.
Of course it would be better for all concerned that
Warren Jeffs be distanced from decisions on marriages.
I believe as most that the FLDS are a people of love and compassion. Please for your sake do not force
marriage upon any one, especailly anyone under 18.
I have said many pryers for all of you and have
a firm beliel and testimony that your lifestyle is good.
The Goverment will destroy the FLDS is they can.
Don't let them have a chance.
The FLDS is now under a microscope. The CPS and local police have it out for you. They will LIE
CHEAT,STEAL and have others callings for action.
Use Martian Luther Kings plan and ORGANIZE your
group. VOTE and become very active in the COUNTY.
I am all for ya. I know of thousands of people have
felt your plight. GOD BLESS
SUE,SUE. The Local Yokals have given you a chance to show the Country the real reasons for there theft of your children.
Be sure to get all the damages paid for by the illegal raid of the Ranch.
Of course it would be better for all concerned that
Warren Jeffs be distanced from decisions on marriages.
I believe as most that the FLDS are a people of love and compassion. Please for your sake do not force
marriage upon any one, especailly anyone under 18.
I have said many pryers for all of you and have
a firm beliel and testimony that your lifestyle is good.
The Goverment will destroy the FLDS is they can.
Don't let them have a chance.
The FLDS is now under a microscope. The CPS and local police have it out for you. They will LIE
CHEAT,STEAL and have others callings for action.
Use Martian Luther Kings plan and ORGANIZE your
group. VOTE and become very active in the COUNTY.
I am all for ya. I know of thousands of people have
felt your plight. GOD BLESS
zxcvbnm | 8:59 a.m. June 2, 2008
The children start going home tomorrow at 10AM.........all of them.
The restrictions aren't as bad as they could have been and are actually rather reasonable.
Call it victory for now.........but lets see how they are treated by CPS when they "visit".
Evidence | 9:01 a.m. June 2, 2008
There is NO EVIDENCE that Jeffs taught about underage marriages. In court, it
appears he might have performed such a marriage, but there is no evidence he
TAUGHT it as a practice. Stick with facts.
Every 10 hours in TX a 14 year old gets pregnant. Where are the charges? Oh wait, those only apply to people we don't like even if their rates are far below that of typical tx.
Every 10 hours in TX a 14 year old gets pregnant. Where are the charges? Oh wait, those only apply to people we don't like even if their rates are far below that of typical tx.
Re: Evidence | 9:23 a.m. June 2, 2008
No evidence that's been proven in a court of law, yet, but plenty of
reports from people who have been eyewitnesses to both Jeffs' teachings and
practice of arranged marriages of underage girls.
Any man who rapes a 14-year-old girl should be charged, convicted and sentenced to prison. Just because you think that raping a young girl is acceptable as long as it's part of your "religion," doesn't make it right.
Any man who rapes a 14-year-old girl should be charged, convicted and sentenced to prison. Just because you think that raping a young girl is acceptable as long as it's part of your "religion," doesn't make it right.
Gal50 | 9:50 a.m. June 2, 2008
As long as Texas does what is in the best interest of these young girls, we
should all be happy.
I applaud the FLDS parents who are leaving the ranch. They are doing what is in the best interest of their children. They will have to pay for their own housing, but that will give them control over who resides in their home. They will not be around statutory rapists and the only remaining concern will be that their sons are not abandoned and their daughters aren't sacrificed for early forced marriage.
As for those returning to the ranch, CPS will have some valid concerns given the 20 underage marriages identified on the ranch. CPS knows that a high percentage of FLDS men are statutory rapists. It appears to be around 15-20%. Given that so many of the compound men fled the ranch and that at least a few new unidentified men have arrived on the ranch, caution must be taken to monitor the safety of the children. It appears that these families are putting the benefits of ranch life ahead of the safety of their children. Typical Americans do not believe that decent parents would do this.
I applaud the FLDS parents who are leaving the ranch. They are doing what is in the best interest of their children. They will have to pay for their own housing, but that will give them control over who resides in their home. They will not be around statutory rapists and the only remaining concern will be that their sons are not abandoned and their daughters aren't sacrificed for early forced marriage.
As for those returning to the ranch, CPS will have some valid concerns given the 20 underage marriages identified on the ranch. CPS knows that a high percentage of FLDS men are statutory rapists. It appears to be around 15-20%. Given that so many of the compound men fled the ranch and that at least a few new unidentified men have arrived on the ranch, caution must be taken to monitor the safety of the children. It appears that these families are putting the benefits of ranch life ahead of the safety of their children. Typical Americans do not believe that decent parents would do this.
cjsnyder | 9:55 a.m. June 2, 2008
While I am *wary* of the abuse or control of any human, I am even more *wary* of
state's overriding the rights of any religious group to practice their own
rules. If I approve the state's handling of this particular case, I am
opening myself up to their *objections* to any religious practice that
doesn't suit their purposes.
I feel that there may, indeed, be some violations of basic human rights taking place ~ but I also feel they need to be *proven* before intervention, not the way it was handled by Texas! This isn't the first time that this state has ridden roughshod over *freedom of religion* issues. I'm just grateful they didn't come in with guns blazing!
I feel that there may, indeed, be some violations of basic human rights taking place ~ but I also feel they need to be *proven* before intervention, not the way it was handled by Texas! This isn't the first time that this state has ridden roughshod over *freedom of religion* issues. I'm just grateful they didn't come in with guns blazing!
CPS Plan B | 11:13 a.m. June 2, 2008
1. Send kids back to ranch
2. Fabricate evidence
3. Snatch kids again
4. Sell kids to childless people who were too lazy to have their own children when they were teenagers.
2. Fabricate evidence
3. Snatch kids again
4. Sell kids to childless people who were too lazy to have their own children when they were teenagers.
Freedom for one and all. | 11:45 a.m. June 2, 2008
These lawyers probably got involved because they couldn't believe that this
raid could have happened and that this could have happened in America.
JND | 12:06 p.m. June 2, 2008
Dear to JND and if,
Did you folks even read what I wrote, or were you already composing your defenses of criminals before you finished?
"Call me when the criminal investigations are complete, and you can pay me your losing bet."
CPS and/or designated caretakers may or may not have committed any criminal offenses. I trust you both to bring charges if they have, so I won't have to worry about that.
Not all the evidence that the state has was presented in court. I guarantee you that criminal convictions will result, and I challenge any of you to wager me on this outcome.
Did you folks even read what I wrote, or were you already composing your defenses of criminals before you finished?
"Call me when the criminal investigations are complete, and you can pay me your losing bet."
CPS and/or designated caretakers may or may not have committed any criminal offenses. I trust you both to bring charges if they have, so I won't have to worry about that.
Not all the evidence that the state has was presented in court. I guarantee you that criminal convictions will result, and I challenge any of you to wager me on this outcome.
With no evidence, The | 12:45 p.m. June 2, 2008
Judge has no BARGAINING POWER
This Judge has screwed up ROYAL
She needs to be booted
Another FAILED ATTORNEY
I suggest the Lawyers tell her NO
Then see how long this continues at the cost to TEXAS
This Judge has screwed up ROYAL
She needs to be booted
Another FAILED ATTORNEY
I suggest the Lawyers tell her NO
Then see how long this continues at the cost to TEXAS
This is sick | 7:10 p.m. June 2, 2008
Police have seized video tapes of court-appointed advocate molesting as many as
20 children. He is being charged with aggravated sexual assault of an 8-year-old
girl under his care earlier this month.
Billy Dan Carroll, a 53-year-old entrepreneur and founder of a court-reporting firm, filmed himself having sex with several kids between the ages of 3 and 15, the Austin American Statesman reported.
"We don't know where it is going to end up, how many victims we may end up with," Austin police Sgt. Brian Loyd said. "There could be six. There could be 20. There is no telling."
This is what you exposed these FLDS children.
Billy Dan Carroll, a 53-year-old entrepreneur and founder of a court-reporting firm, filmed himself having sex with several kids between the ages of 3 and 15, the Austin American Statesman reported.
"We don't know where it is going to end up, how many victims we may end up with," Austin police Sgt. Brian Loyd said. "There could be six. There could be 20. There is no telling."
This is what you exposed these FLDS children.
Legal Parents . . . . Where? | 7:29 p.m. June 2, 2008
Why did they release these children without legal proof of identification. They
should wait for the DNA and make them supply birth certificate. Anyone else
would have to.
Transplant:
I am sorry, I know, if it was me, over my dead body would they control my children. But, These mothers are totally brainwashed. They would have to be, in order to watch and do nothing. I simply can't believe they could do it otherwise.
Every one is saying get your facts straight. Well ... READ THE BOOK!!! "Stolen Innocence" by Elissa Wall.
As far as the welfare fraud, this is a way of life for these people. For the proof of parentage, you would think would have been a major requirement.
Transplant:
I am sorry, I know, if it was me, over my dead body would they control my children. But, These mothers are totally brainwashed. They would have to be, in order to watch and do nothing. I simply can't believe they could do it otherwise.
Every one is saying get your facts straight. Well ... READ THE BOOK!!! "Stolen Innocence" by Elissa Wall.
As far as the welfare fraud, this is a way of life for these people. For the proof of parentage, you would think would have been a major requirement.
Anonymous | 11:10 p.m. June 2, 2008
The appeals and supreme court were not asked to make a decision of guilt or
innocence of the parents of these children. These courts do not rule on such
things. The supreme and appeals court rule on the constitutionality of laws.
They stated that the CPS and Judge could not take all of the children because
some of the children may be abused. Their ruling has nothing what so ever to do
with whether abuse is happening. They simply said that cps and the judge needed
to take each case individually. Believe me there will be arrests and some of
these children will be removed when the abuse cases start on an individual
basis. FLDS bloggers get off your high horse. You day will come in court. If not
in court then God above will vet the punishment you deserve for your evil ways.
muslim polygamists | 7:52 a.m. June 3, 2008
When is CPS going to remove ALL children from ALL muslims? mohammed was a child
rapist, and muslims do what he did and said to do.
Megaroozer | 12:43 p.m. June 19, 2008
Gray Wolf- thank you.
Yes, a 14 year old may get pregnant every ten hours in Texas, but they still have so much freedom! Both situations are teenage mothers, but in FLDS, the teenage mothers are unable to provide for their own children beyond state aid, and even that comes through a man who nearly always has too many dependants to possibly provide for. Imagine your boss at work taking charge of your whole life.
Yes, maybe the men should have been taken rather than the children, but the decision had to be made quickly to be effective, and that was the decision made. Instead of chastizing the Texas law enforcement and urging the group to sue, we must step back and look at what is best for the children. Abuse or not, these childrens' experiences are being limited and freedoms being oppressed, and I believe the cycle of marathon births should stop-reproducing should be for loving care of a wanted child, not a "ticket to heaven".
This is my opinion, but also very logical I'd say.
Yes, a 14 year old may get pregnant every ten hours in Texas, but they still have so much freedom! Both situations are teenage mothers, but in FLDS, the teenage mothers are unable to provide for their own children beyond state aid, and even that comes through a man who nearly always has too many dependants to possibly provide for. Imagine your boss at work taking charge of your whole life.
Yes, maybe the men should have been taken rather than the children, but the decision had to be made quickly to be effective, and that was the decision made. Instead of chastizing the Texas law enforcement and urging the group to sue, we must step back and look at what is best for the children. Abuse or not, these childrens' experiences are being limited and freedoms being oppressed, and I believe the cycle of marathon births should stop-reproducing should be for loving care of a wanted child, not a "ticket to heaven".
This is my opinion, but also very logical I'd say.
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