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Step right up and sign a petition to remove Judge Walther. Google gopetition walther.

It is a good thing that all of the plaintiffs' attorneys did not go along with the incredibly bad idea of claiming that Judge Walther lacked the authority to place reasonable conditions on the release of the children. As I have said all along, she does.

Hopefully, the FLDS mothers who are not returning to YFZ Ranch will maintain their resolve under pressure, especially those with pubescent daughters.

There should be two other caveats:

Children who do not want to be returned to YFZ Ranch should not be forced to, and

Any children for which there is evidence of physical or sexual abuse should not be returned to their putative parents.

Interloper CPS does not have evidence that any of the children were abused...

The authorities should be able to ensure that children are returned to their real, biological, parents, and not "parents" to whom they have been assigned by the FLDS.

So the order won't be signed by all the mothers after all. Good. I would never sign away my fourth amendment rights either. Now the question is, how much authority does Judge Walther have with respect to ordering an arbitrary set of conditions so far not agreed to by all parties? Tricky question, especially since all parties have not been fully identified, i.e. the scope of the investigation, i.e. the exact persons investigated, remains unknown. It boils down to essentially having the authority to put an entire town (or anyone who lived at YFZ at the time of the raid) on house arrest and revoking their fourth amendment rights permanently until further notice. Can a judge do this without signed agreements by those subjected to the order? I don't think so, that's why she was intent on getting the order signed by the mothers. I think she has no option but either a) sign individual restraining orders against persons identified as associated with risk supported by evidence b) not set any conditions. Either way, she will have to vacate her temporary orders from the 14 day hearing and return the children.

I wonder how many of these poor children have been abused and molested in the last 2 months in foster care?

Please- send these kids home and get on with the investigation... Walthers had her day in court, she lost, and now it's time to go on...

You forgot one other thing, 29 year olds should not be listed as minors simply because CPS says so and despite legal documentation. How many times does CPS have to lie until you stop believing them?

Once again, no verdict of guilty and these parents are still being punished..without any evidence (3rd court of appeals). Another 1,000 dollars in gas (yes, exaggerating, but still money out of pocket) to gather the children who were ILLEGALLY placed from one side of Texas to the Other. Still guilty until proven innocent here in Texas and you pay mightily for it. Get the children home ASAP so the healing may begin (unless CPS looks for a crumb (literal) under the table to re-remove them again)...
When they go home, I doubt this will be the end of CPS "intervention"..even after the classes are done. I still can't believe they are taking parenting classes..they have a lot to teach us in mothering (don't go off on "lost boys" and how horrible the mothers are--prove ONE case from YFZ and I will take it back)...

CPS allowed these same mothers access to their children without question. Even the court documents affirm that CPS knows exactly which child belongs to which parent. Just read the legal documents and ignore the gossip.

Some of the children are located at Boys and Girls Country. Talking to some people on location I found that extreme efforts were put into place to keep the boys located there away (non-FLDS)from the girls. I don't see where that is a better or more healthy environment than their home in Eldorado.

I am a Texan and can't even imagine the State of Texas being a party to such a travesty. I hope the people living in Schleicher County, Texas register to vote and remove the transgressors in elected positions. The judge, Judge Walther, has ignored court orders from the Texas Supreme Court because it doesnt meet her agenda. This is nothing more than persecution.

The supreme court has ruled and today is the deadline.
What other stalling tactic will be used to keep those children away from their parents?
This travesty has gone on long enough and the longer it continues the greater the cost to the citizens of this state and the greater the need to revamp the entire CPS structure. There are more than just the FLDS children abused by this system.

I will happily go on about lost boys since it seems for the most part that is also a lie. The vast majority of the "boys" were legal adults. I don't find it outrageous for an 18 to be asked to leave or even kicked out for smoking. I happen to be asthmatic and that could kill me. Some were 20 when they were asked to leave. I hardly consider that a "boy." But heck, nobody bothers to check for facts so it makes for a great soundbite.

Since the FLDS appear unwilling to change their practices voluntarily, Texas must do whatever it takes to prevent the FLDS from forcing underage girls into marriages.

The pedophiles among them, of course, want to be able to marry any girl they choose without any age restriction.

If the FLDS parents won't protect their girls from abuse, then society must.

Dear TeXassume,

"Interloper CPS does not have evidence that any of the children were abused..."

YOU are assuming this. I have personal knowledge that CPS does have evidence that some of the children were abused. Call me when the criminal investigations are complete, and you can pay me your losing bet.

Why the delay? Send the children back to their parents NOW. They had no grounds to do what they did, and what they did was incredibly wrong for children and families. Send them back NOW.

Are you also aware that there is evidence, including hospitalizations, that prove CPS neglected FLDS children to the point of dehydration and shock? Clearly ALL children from ALL CPS employees should be justifiably removed based on your belief.

If your "personal knowledge" of children being abused was so good, why was it not presented before the court? Oh wait, it seems there was NO EVIDENCE presented before the courts (Appeals and Supreme), so your comment was a lie based on gossip or you simply made it up.

Many like Interloper are just worshipping their "God
Government". The fact that CPS classified adults as children,and found no actual evidence of abuse,or that the infamous phone call was a hoax,or even that
two higher courts stated effectively as such, and that Judge Walther was wrong, means nothing. Since facts have no meaning,then it must be,the following.
1) They are bigoted whack jobs.
2) They have a political agenda.
3) Government is their God,and as such it cannot do
wrong.