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  • to Tithing
    June 7, 2008 8:36 a.m.

    Yes, and our tax dollars help pay for your education at your school (if you even went to one, which I doubt).

  • Why Recruit?
    June 3, 2008 1:51 p.m.

    Why have local teams with athletes from where ever? What happened to the days where people represented there local schools. Look at Florida State and some of the other power house schools. more than half of there players are from anywhere but their own state. What is the point of that. It has actually ruined college athletic programs. it should be local kids playing for local schools. This would keep the money and corruption out to the games!!

  • My Final Thoughts
    June 3, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    USU fans- I'm sorry for your loss of Riley Nelson. If I were an Aggie fan I would be upset too.
    Should LDS missionaries be recruited on their missions? In an ideal world no.
    Should Riley Nelson be thinking about football on his mission? In an ideal world no.
    Should LDS missionaries think about their futures while on missions? Who doesn't?
    Is Bronco Mendenhall the Great Sataan? (only to a few Aggie and Ute fans)
    Is BYU fortunate to have Bronco Mendenhall? Absolutely. The guy is almost squeaky clean Cougar fans. Don't abandon ship over nothing.

  • Zoobie Nation
    June 3, 2008 8:06 a.m.

    Riley was caught up in the missionary experience and that has definatly help change his mind to want to play with his missionary buddies that are going to BYU. he will get more exposure at by ZOO and so it's a good move for him. But when he gets to the zoo and all of the zoobies are cussing and doing everything that his aggie players did he will then realize that it is only about football. To the zoobie zealots: whether byu wins or not it doesn't matter if you haven't done your home teaching!! Good luck Riley, I hope the zoo let down is not too great for you.

  • GO COUGS!!
    June 2, 2008 11:51 p.m.

    I am loving all of this! What is so wrong about these college athletes making the decision to play at BYU? Nothing!! They have gone on their missions, and they have realized that what BYU has to offer cannot be found anywhere else. Plus, they get to play for a great coach, a great program, and for a great university. It looks like the Cougars are re-loading and are going to continue to dominate the MWC for years to come!! Ute fans, atleast you have gymnastics.

  • MormonAggie
    June 2, 2008 11:24 p.m.

    Yep your right, Bronco represents everything that is disgusting, evil, reprehensible and just plain bad. What a creep he is, actually giving scholarships to kids who want to play at BYU over Utah State doesnt get much lower than that. Next you know he will keep encouraging young men to continue to speak to youth groups, do service projects while on road trips, and represent spiritual things, what a jerk.

  • Tithing
    June 2, 2008 7:22 p.m.

    Sometimes I wish i could get a tithing differal and send my tithing money to college X instead of BYU.

    Crazy. But as a mormon I am supporting BYU and I do not like the school much at all. But what do you do? So all you zoobie fans that think you are soooo cool. Remember that not only is your program subsidized by your boosters but it is also subsidized by all the mormons. So you are not so holy as you think. your educations are in part paid by me. But that is o.k. because you really need the help.

  • Goals
    June 2, 2008 1:16 p.m.

    "Shadow - YES!! | 3:48 p.m. May 30, 2008
    Lovin it. ByU fans can't seem to admit that all of this upcoming season goals are ones that Utah already accomplished."

    Actually these are the goals/hopes that every coach in the land has every year whether they are from a BCS conference or not. They just wouldn't be advertised or spoken about or get any press even if they were talked about because it isn't realistic for every school. But when it becomes realistic it will get press. When it means it would come at the cost of one of those other schools similar goals (i.e. not all MWC teams can go undefeated) it will be met with dissent or indignation.

    Do you think someone from the BigTen, SEC, Acc, Big East, or Big 12, etc care about BYU's goal being public. NO it won't matter to them because we don't have any games against those conferences on the schedule.

    The only goal of significance on the list we haven't already done at BYU is play in a BCS game, but as some others have pointed out this is only a goal because the BCS exists because of BYU's past success.

  • Missionary work
    June 2, 2008 1:05 p.m.

    What is more distracting?

    Using some time on a couple P-Day's to address after mission life like what school to attend/scholarship to accept.

    OR

    Knocking on doors answered by half naked women, drunks or people that won't turn their TV's off of inappropriate shows bringing many many worldly things right into their thoughts as they try to do their jobs.

    Unbelieveable that people would think a wholesome activity like preparing for their future on a P-Day (P stands for preparation) would be taboo.

  • HS Recruiting
    June 2, 2008 11:33 a.m.

    So based on comments/accusations by posters here we are to assume that Coach Higgins specifically went to the HS coach for Riley and only Riley. Is it possible that he was there for other athletes that are still in school and the topic came up? Is it unrealistic to think the topic came up in an innocent manner after all the rumors that went around in the Fall?

    I would like to point out the timeline on Teo. His families inquiry to BYU was last May, BYU's response/contact to him wasn't until January which happened to be the point in time that he had been on his mission for a year (meeting NCAA guidelines).

    Most teams already have names of who they are recruiting/watching for 2009, 2010 and 2011. Some have even offered scholarships for 2009 & 2010. So yes it is important for a missionary to have these things decided up to a year before they leave their mission. If they do not then they can be left out of the mix all together.

  • Recruiting
    June 2, 2008 11:23 a.m.

    Please folks, some of you are making out recruiting of missionaries to be like recruiting was of Johnny Walker in the 1988 film Johnny Be Good. I can assure you that no used car salesman booster is flying missionaries off to parties with scantilly clad cheer leaders. I'm relatively positive that there was not even a face-to-face visit in these situations being debated.

    In articles a few years back about recruiting the school stated that they do stay in contact with (by some of your definitions that is recruiting) all BYU football players on missions. Each month they send them a letter with a spiritual message as the predominant part of the letter and encouraging thoughts on their service. They also include a smaller portion with an update on the team. And I'm sure also some language about their commitment to honor their scholarship when they return. Likely a monthly form letter of sorts.

    I'm sure that contact/recruiting with these non-BYU athletes was not much more except with an offer at the end. I'm very doubtful that BYU's method of handling this is anymore disruptive to a missionary than Mitt running for president questions are.

  • geezer
    June 2, 2008 10:46 a.m.

    RE: mnhusker

    Isn't a small time winning program better than a big time "loser" program. Tell us how great the UN is when you win a conference championship. (Oh for the good old days)

  • re: Shadow?
    June 2, 2008 9:36 a.m.

    Um Shadow boy . . .

    BYU has had an undefeated season and a national championship which caused a lot of fuss in the first place leading to the Bowl Alliance (designed to keep BYU out) and eventually the BCS.

    Again it was BYU who repeatedly challenged the rules meant to keep them out that lowered the necessary ranking to the top 12 (2001) and eventually made it possible for Utah to crack into the BCS, then BSU and Hawaii.

    So to be clear, BYU's previous success (national champs) created the road block, that others had to traverse in order to be crowned with accomplishing some extraordinary feat.

    Playing in a BCS bowl game is only a big deal because they created BCS games to keep mid majors out because of BYU. That seems like a shadow to me that all other mid majors are still trying to over come.

    Who would be more renowned/successful the first person to scale the outside of an enormous skyscraper or the person who built the enormous skycraper in the first place? I bet that skyscraper casts a mean shadow :-) and a smart climber would like choose the shaded side of the building.

  • True Believer
    June 2, 2008 12:30 a.m.

    I guess I'm naive, but I really thought that BYU respected the values of the church that owns them. As a former missionary I am very disappointed Bronco would have these Elders focus on stuff outside the mission. For all those who say that it is just part of recruiting, I guess standards aren't important to this University. I wonder why people think we are hypocrites?

  • 300 Comments on this?
    June 1, 2008 11:28 p.m.

    What!!!!

    Bronco offered a scholarship to a Missionary? Call the National Guard!!!! Cats and dogs living together!!!! The Church isn't true!!!!

    I don't know what's funnier, the irrelevant story about a simple recruit changing his mind, or the incredible backlash against BYU and the Church on these message boards.

  • CO Coug
    June 1, 2008 11:16 p.m.

    These stories are funny, absolutely 100% un-newsworthy about a recruit who changed his mind (he may not even make it at BYU) and we now are pushing 300 comments. Gotta love the Utah/BYU rivalry. I would throw USU in there, but their team is absolutely putrid.

    p.s. I love the comments about how people are offended to the point of losing their faith (or membership) because of insignificant actions of the BYU football program.

    Also, I had my parents help me apply for college and housing while I was on my mission; how evil of me thinking of my future!!!! (sarcasm)

  • RE: Same Old Te'o
    June 1, 2008 10:37 p.m.

    It sounds to me you know something about the Teo's no one else does? I too am from American Fork and also know the Teo's they're good people. But all I can remember were players trying to leave Coach Knights program. The mediocrity of our team probably have you and me and the rest of American Fork fooled thinking we are a legitimate feeder program for D1 programs. Oh wait we did sign a D1 prospect last year...oh wait, he transferred from Lone Peak...hmmm your personal evaluation of talent has no merit. Let's wait until we consistently can produce D1 athletes year in and year out!

    GO UTES BABY!!!!!

  • True Blue
    June 1, 2008 10:16 p.m.

    I am glad to hear that Dick Harmon wasn't able to find any Bronco quote saying he wouldn't recruit missionaries that have committed to other schools. I feel so much better. The real tragedy is that a missionary is wasting his precious time dealing with non-missionary issues. This whole thing should have waited until he returned. A mission president shouldn't be a recruiting agent. That is plain wrong. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. What's black is black and what's white is white, unless it's navy blue, or is that the darkest shade of royal blue.

  • Bleed Cougar Blue
    June 1, 2008 10:16 p.m.

    I'm a DIEHARD BYU fan and I see there are 296 comments about a freshman transferring from UNLV to BYU?? I know the Y is gaining national prominence but how many of these comments are from BYU haters in general and Mormon haters in particular?....

  • BYU l
    June 1, 2008 8:53 p.m.

    To all of you who don't like BYU for whatever reason, I have a suggestion, don't go there! Go to the U. or U. where anything goes! You can see and hear what "goes" there an most any game at R.E stadium. On the other hand, if you enjoy the "clean air" of BYU campus the honor code is no problem, in fact it is quite liberating! For those of you who define being liberated in another way, by all means go somewhere else and make room for a few more of the thousands who would LOVE to go to BYU!

  • Winning Again
    June 1, 2008 4:16 p.m.

    I consider being back as winning conference championships and going to bowl games again. As for the losses I won't mention UNLV, oops. We all know transfers happen and when one or more goes the way for the cougar haters lets see what is said. I bet it won't be as big of a deal as this was.

  • AZ Coug
    June 1, 2008 1:53 p.m.

    When Ben Olson left BYU, I said,'more power to him.' He thought UCLA was his vehicle to the pros. I did not blame him one bit. No sour grapes here. Let the new RM's come to BYU if they want.

  • Anonymous
    June 1, 2008 10:50 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting how critics can only see the negative. Perhaps it is because they can't imagine someone actually having integrity. Is it possible that these things actually happened as the family stated? Or is it simply a function that we can't believe it would happen that way because we can't live our own lives with that much integrity? It's called projection. We project our own behaviors onto others simply because we need to believe we aren't personally lacking.

  • lae
    June 1, 2008 10:19 a.m.

    As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have some real concerns about the level of arrogance BYU Athletics breeds. Not necessarily in their players but in their fans. Reading some of these comments just elevates those concerns.

  • Re: Winning Again
    June 1, 2008 10:20 a.m.

    It depends on what you consider "Being Back" is. Losing to Tulsa, spliting with UCLA a team that coulndn't beat a bad Notre Dame team. Ya your back alright. I guess we all are going to have to deal with it.

  • Winning Again
    June 1, 2008 9:06 a.m.

    Wow the cougars must be BACK! 2 or 3 years ago and this is not a story. Amazing what winning does.The next story will be from the national media, there usual story of how the cougars have an unfair advantage by having older players on their team. Yes the cougars are back!! So like we were told when Ben Olsen left and other players left the program. Just deal with it!

  • RE:Gretzky
    June 1, 2008 1:38 a.m.

    If you want people to take you seriously you can't use the word "knowledgelessness".

  • Southern CA Porter Rockwell
    June 1, 2008 12:55 a.m.

    As big as a BYU Cougar football fan that I am, it is disappointing to read that this young man, while supposively serving a full time mission, felt the need to take care of secular issues such as playing football. Was there a reason why it couldn't wait until he was released? Where was the father's counsel to be "immersed" in serving the Lord 100%? Why didn't the mission president intervened? If I were BYU's head football coach, I would have replied with a simple e-mail, "Forget about yourself and get to work!" Sounds familiar?

  • Neither school for me!
    May 31, 2008 9:47 p.m.

    Score another one for BIFF!!!

  • Gretzky
    May 31, 2008 9:14 p.m.

    well, that's nice. thanks all of you for contributing your knowledgelessness on this whole matter. it's about time these LDS athletes started realizing that if you are going to play in the MWC (a NON-original six BCS conference) and you can keep the BYU standards then BYU really is the best place for you to succeed both on and off the field both now and in the future. there have been far too many student athletes on the football team that have left for "greener" pastures in the past and failed. few have succeeded. i am happy for Bronco and his staff. they have set the bar and BYU had some setbacks early on but the last few seasons have been great for the school and program.

  • Same Old Te'o
    May 31, 2008 8:57 p.m.

    This is nothing new for the Te'o's. Meloise played at American Fork Soph. year. He went to Kahuku for his Jr year, then came back to AF for his Senior year. However, only played one game then went back to Hawaii. I'm not really surprised that he he switched schools. But I am surprised that BYU has given him a scholarship. I don't think he'll ever play that much. Similar to a Wayne Latu. Good, but just a back up.

  • The Grass is Greener
    May 31, 2008 7:33 p.m.

    FYI: University students transfer! Hundreds leave BYU/UU/USU and eveb"BSU", every year to attend other schools. Students at other schools transfer by the thousands "every year." Should every student who begins at any school be required to stay....? I just find all of this unfortunate discussion, "interesting?" We have children who have attended BYU,USU, UofU, SUU, & UNLV. Athletes are no different. Things don't work out one place, so you move-on. It would be interesting to see the number of people commenting who attended only one university, or if they even attended at all. Too much bitterness and self righteousness in our lives.....sort of sad.

  • Mr. Cole
    May 31, 2008 3:37 p.m.

    Good to hear. Good for cougars.

    But how many other coaches get permission from a player's missionary president to contact them?

  • go BYU
    May 31, 2008 2:46 p.m.

    I wasn't mad when Olsen left for UCLA and I'm not elated to have these recruits. I just want BYU to keep beating Utah year after year after year. A BCS bowl win would be extra - something those darn Utes still have on me.

  • Re: Finally
    May 31, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    Nice job trying to promote your "BLOG" as a credible, non-biased opinion. Anyone who is tricked into reading like I was, will see no professionalism. My suggestion to you is to increase your vocabulary, and write more professionaly. No professional uses words like "crap" "idiots".

  • musician
    May 31, 2008 1:54 p.m.

    I don't care about all this football stuff, USU got Craig Jessop, that's huge and speaks volumes of the people at BYU.

  • Re:BYU vs Utah
    May 31, 2008 12:24 p.m.

    I attended both schools, If being safer in a jail cell is what you call safe, I'm with you BYU is the place you need to go. If using your brain and having the freedom to make choices as you will in everyday life is what your looking for, the "U" is what you want.

  • RE;Used to be a Utah fan
    May 31, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    Ya sure , you've never been a Utah fan. Have the guts to admit your zoobie if your a zoobie.

  • Re:Finally
    May 31, 2008 12:17 p.m.

    Don't act so smug, BYU fans were doing the same thing to Ben Olsen as Utah State fans are doing to Riley. Trying to change history is an art form in Utah, but don't try it with sports fans.

  • Re:hounyocker
    May 31, 2008 12:14 p.m.

    Like everyone who ever played football at BYU had great pro careers and lived happily ever after. UCLA has there share of great pro players and college players that loved the experiance. The way the progream was going at BYU at the time, I don't blame Ben for going to UCLA. The same argument for Riley going to BYU.

  • Finally
    May 31, 2008 10:42 a.m.

    Read Ryan Comer article from Bleache report.

    Here's a guy with a little non-bias perspecttive.

    Basically what does he say.......................?

    Shut-up to the cry babies at State and Yewtah and anyone who has a problem with the riley Matter or the kid named Te'o.

    There is nothing bad or fishy or illegal.

    It just spells it out for all the world to see just all the crapolla that the haters are beating the bushes with.

    BYU just got a little better at least on face they did. Nelson has made no contribution to anyone at least for the time being.

    The rest of college football, especially the media is beginning to see the haters for what they are...

    Haters and Cry Babies. One day the wind may blow the other way and BYU may end up on the short end and the Haters and Cry babies will have 15 seconds in the sun, and revive the Hate Thing all over again.

    No one complained when BYU was losing as Comer pointed out. Comer recognizes tha BYU is on the way back and how sad but truthful, but correct nonetheless the world of college football see's the haters foras they are.....................

  • Buckeye Fan
    May 31, 2008 10:08 a.m.

    The missionary factor is huge when it comes to recruiting at the Y and at the U. All other schools get their recruits in and functioning as a team. With the Y and U, they may play a year or not at all and then be gone for 2 years. During the 2 years their work may tend to lean them to the Y. (Not in Olsen's case, must be a devil worshipper...oh yeah he went to UCLA not Arizona State or Duke). In any case it gives them extra time and an opportunity to change their plans...it's normal. Hey coaches do it, why not players.

    This situation also looks like a 'family affair' thing. Plus situations change for the team also...injuries, change of programs and coaches. Even if a player doesn't go on a church mission, they can still leave a program. BYU involvement is probably very close to the envelope so they need to be careful. Mayber the mission presidents will have to also have training in athletic protocol and regulations, as not to cross the line. Life is too short to be an Aggie or Rebel. Anyway...Go Buckeyes!!!

  • mnhusker
    May 31, 2008 7:37 a.m.

    Let's just remember we are talking BYU football here, not a big-time football program.

  • Buckeye Ute
    May 31, 2008 5:32 a.m.

    As much as I like to criticize BYU. I don't see anything wrong with this. All the players were on their missions over a year. BYU broke no recruiting rules. Missionaries are permitted to apply to colleges on their mission. As a Ute and Buckeye fan I don't see anything wrong with this, because down the road we'll be able to get some of those guys away from BYU when their program is down. It all runs in cycles its BYU's up cycle. It won't last forever.

  • haunyocker
    May 31, 2008 1:04 a.m.

    I've seen several references to Ben Olsen. His experience at UCLA has been a big bust. I'm wondering if he has any second thoughts. He went to UCLA with stars in his eyes but I think they've all blinked out by now. I'll bet he wishes he would have stayed at BYU because the NFL ain't gunna come calling for him with all his injuries and dubious statistics...isn't it funny how dreams never seem to quite live up to realities?

  • Mars
    May 31, 2008 12:24 a.m.

    Bronco said he would listen when contacted by the families of missionaries, and BYU fans are sure glad that he's both a rational and spiritual coach at the same time (besides being the best football coach in the Mountain West Conference). Contrast that to the other two college football coaches in the state of Utah, both of which look to be fired in the next year or so.

  • Don't count the chicks ......
    May 31, 2008 12:09 a.m.

    Why count the chicks if the eggs are not hatched.
    How do you know these players will succeed at BYU.
    Olsen was rate high in high school but seems to be inconsistent in college.
    Maybe this player are a bust to BYU so don't
    lets comment if they start hurting your program.

    Go Cougs...

  • Utah Man
    May 30, 2008 11:46 p.m.

    I'm glad T'eo transfered to BYU. Now maybe UNLV won't beat us so bad.

  • Used to be a Utah fan
    May 30, 2008 10:13 p.m.

    I wish I could still root for Utah but I am so embarrassed by some of the Utah fans I can't root for them any more. Reading these posts reminds me why. Hopefully UVU will get a team so I can root for them.

  • crazy
    May 30, 2008 10:10 p.m.

    Can't believe those comments about dissappointment in BYU. No one was in the wrong. One missionary is happy and his dream has come true. For anyone who thinks that missionaries shouldn't think about anything else but the work is an idiot. Nothing wrong with working out this situation before he gets home because if he waits until then he will be too late. All these negative comments are really stupid.

  • RR
    May 30, 2008 10:03 p.m.

    Wow, nearly 300 comments on two stories where no one really knows what happened. Bronco is a great coach, but anyone with anti-BYU venom will never see that, but only criticize every chance they get, as is evidenced by comments on this article.

    BYU is the team to beat! I love the attention BYU is getting! Go Alma Mater!

    Oh, no one wants to seriously go to a school where the team is going nowhere.

  • Utah fans
    May 30, 2008 9:29 p.m.

    What is wrong with most of you?

  • Hello
    May 30, 2008 9:27 p.m.

    Is it more distracting to know what you will be doing with your life or not knowing?

  • What is the big deal?
    May 30, 2008 8:29 p.m.

    The family contacted BYU, BYU waited the appropiratae 12 months as sanctioned by the NCAA to offer a scholarship, and Broncos left it up to the kid's Mission President how to break the news. Missionaries have news from home that is distraacting given to them all the time. I'm the sure the Elder was/is excited and I'm really sure he was quickly back doing the Lord's work. Calm down some of you and get a grip.

  • BYU Fan
    May 30, 2008 8:26 p.m.

    Just hope we can still somebody away from Utah Now and make it a trifecta. That would be sweet.

  • Vegas Ed
    May 30, 2008 7:47 p.m.

    The last post is right. I went to "the big ugly world" aka the U of U before my mission. I changed my mind on my mission and went to BYU. No, I didn't play sports in college, but I wanted a better atmosphere, and got it in Provo.

  • re: BYU vs Utah
    May 30, 2008 7:15 p.m.

    I would feel much more comfortable if my children attended the University of Utah. They would be better prepared to live in this big ugly world we live in because they will have experienced it and seen what it has to offer good and bad. Because according to you all life is perfect in provo

  • Regardless
    May 30, 2008 7:12 p.m.

    In spite of any controversy about NCAA rules, who contacted who, etc, etc, etc, things like this are NOT going to go well for the missionary program. Coaches from other schools WILL be more hesitant to having their players go on missions at all. NOT a good thing for the Church (and by extension, BYU)

  • yewt's Bowl record? neh.
    May 30, 2008 6:36 p.m.

    Fact: BYU has played 17 bowl opponents with a Top 25 ranking, while Utah has played only 4 ranked teams. Expressed as a ratio, more than 2/3 of BYU's bowl opponents have been ranked, while only 1/3 of Utah's bowl opponents have been ranked.

    So the next time your friendly neighborhood yewt runs his mouth about yewtah's fabulous bowl record, tell him that you'd be impressed if they had played some good teams.

  • tired of the diatribe
    May 30, 2008 6:06 p.m.

    Reading just a sampling of the comments has me frightened to consider that I drive on the same streets and vote from the same candidate pool with most of you. It is inane and pointless to act like anybody here understands what happened.

  • Another thing...
    May 30, 2008 6:00 p.m.

    I think President Monson got his MBA at BYU.

  • Mark from Ohio
    May 30, 2008 5:51 p.m.

    I am amazed at some of the idiotic comments here.

    1. There's nothing unethical going on here. The family said they contacted BYU first. Even if they didn't, is there an NCAA rule that says you can't recruit an LDS missionary? Surely not. So the question is, did the BYU coach violate UNIVERSITY policy? According to the family, NO.

    2. Yes, there is certainly hypocracy among BYU fans with respect to this situation versus Olsen's. So what? Who cares what individual fans think? The university simply moved on. And it is winning without Olsen.

    3. I am amazed at how vitriolic some of these comments are. Accusations of self-righteousness, dishonesty, blah, blah, blah. You see only what you wish to see. Most normal impartial people outside the state of Utah would simply laugh at you.

  • Las Vegas Aggie
    May 30, 2008 5:47 p.m.

    Talk about getting both barrels! As both a USU and UNLV fan, I ask why you would want to keep players in your program who don't want to be there? If they both would rather play for BYU and your football program and staff isn't strong enough to hold them, then let them go and move on. Can't wait to see the August matchup between USU and UNLV...probably wind up a tie.

  • BYU vs. Utah
    May 30, 2008 5:48 p.m.

    Would you feel safer if your children attended BYU or Utah?

    Think about it.

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 5:45 p.m.

    I remember 15 years ago when Shawn Bradley announced while still on his mission that he would be turning pro and not returning to BYU following his mission.

    Lee Benson, a D-News sports writer at the time, howled over Bradley making such a decision while still serving a mission. "Shouldn't his mind be on missionary work" - or words to that effect.

    I guess that thinking only applies when a missionary is thinking about doing something that seems detrimental to BYU.

  • socal bystander
    May 30, 2008 5:41 p.m.

    All those of you whining and wailing and gnashing your teeth alleging that Bronco is a hypocrite and is evil for "recruiting" players while they are on missions should at least have the intellectual honesty to define what you mean by recruiting so as to make the argument meaningful. If by "recruiting" you mean ANY contact with BYU athletics with the actively serving missionary, then perhaps you have an argument. I suspect that what Bronco meant, and which makes eminent sense, is that neither he nor anyone acting for BYU would make any initial contact with a serving missionary. That then would mean that Bronco is NOT recruiting, because the story is clear that the initial contact was made by the missionary or his family. If you BYU/Bronco haters don't know what I am talking about or are too blind to see the difference, then you probably attended a school that failed to teach you critical thinking skills. The "U" perhaps? Would you all like some cheese with your whine?

  • Why are Utah Ute fans......
    May 30, 2008 5:28 p.m.

    on this message board??? This story has nothing to do with them- ZERO. It seems they care more about what happens at BYU than their own school. It's very sad and weird. Have you noticed that BYU fans don't post comments on Ute stories??? It's because we just don't care.

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 5:27 p.m.

    It's always easy to justify questionable tactics, mock opposing fans who feel they've been had, and inexplicably gloat about an undefeated season before you've played one game when you've had a couple of good years against subpar competition.

    I've heard and can't agree more with some of the comments about hypocritical BYU fans. Putting a Cougar logo above a urinal and referring to the cougs as "that team down South," aren't tactics against any rules either, but you seem to have plenty of issues with both.

    Go ahead and glory in the 1-star recruits you took from other programs. Go ahead and predict your undefeated season before one football has entered the air. We'll see you on the field in November; Big House challenged and cloaked in a sea of red.

  • Still Laughing
    May 30, 2008 5:24 p.m.

    Concerning "Re: A good laugh" -- if it's so easy to have a winning record in less-than-respectable bowl games how in the world do you explain LaVell's embarrassing bowl record? [Best explanation is he didn't really care that much about bowl games, viewed them more as a fun diversion -- but still, for heaven's sake]

    LaVell's teams never went to a "respectable" bowl game and, bless his heart, his biggest win came against a disinterested Michigan team that finished the year 6-6.

    But, what about loss after loss to teams like Indiana?

  • Do USU fans need an interpreter?
    May 30, 2008 5:23 p.m.

    GIVE IT UP!!!!

    Fact: Nelson expressed interest in coming to BYU long before any BYU coach discussed any interest in him.

    In fact, I learned it from the USU fans, that Nelson had interest in BYU, long before BYU ever approached Nelson. Now USU fans are suddenly saying it was the other way around. Who are the hypocrites? What a flip-flop. You all knew he was interested in BYU and may end up there. Why so shocked? Many of you predicted this would happen and it was all over your paper. His interest is well within BYU's criteria to then approach him with and let him know of equal interest.

    You lose, like always. You'd think you would get used to it already and quit making fools of yourselves. Isn't it just adding insult to injury for BYU to say what you are claiming, that BYU is better at recruiting than USU? That's true to, but if you think Bronco actively recruited Nelson, then you really are revealing how pathetic USU's idea of recruiting methods are. No wonder you guys stink so bad.

  • You win some you lose some
    May 30, 2008 5:14 p.m.

    I hope it will be that other teams will not recruit LDS players. That would mean a competetive advantage especially as the church gets larger. For all of you eating sour grapes my comment to you is WAHHHHHHH. This happens all the time. Get over it, you win some you lose some. If I remember right we had a commitment this year for a four star lineman that switched to Utah. I was OK with the switch, obviously he prefered Utah over BYU but there are a lot of LDS players that love BYU as well.

  • dave neff
    May 30, 2008 5:15 p.m.

    Hey Sterling73:

    I don't think your comment below is the type of thing college students are looking for - loooool.

    "I'm talking about very subtley reminding them of the spiritual atmosphere at BYU."

  • Wrong
    May 30, 2008 5:08 p.m.

    BYU never admits to doing anything wrong, but we forget who broke this story, Dick Harmon!! Dick Harmon folks, the biggest BYU appologists in the history of BYU sports. How much credibility can we lend to this story?? If Bronco really beleived in the Missionary program he would tell these kids to concentrate on their missions and let the pieces fall when they get back. They're not committed to the Aggies or Rebels when they get back. But, then again Bronco doesn't beleive in the Missionary program!! This is hypocritical!!

  • The unethical part involves Lark
    May 30, 2008 5:07 p.m.

    I don't really think that Bronco was unethical in what happened with these players on their missions. The unethical part is absolutely hosing James Lark, the quarterback he signed in the exact same class, who spent a season in the program, and is currently on a mission. Did Bronco let him know that he brought in another quarterback that could take his spot. According to all of you zoobs, He needs to consider his future, just like every other missionary.

  • Sterling73
    May 30, 2008 5:01 p.m.

    I would make it a practice to contact every single D-1 quality recruit that ever served a mission. If I were Bronco, I would begin the recruitment of every prospect that ever got away (e.g. Kaveinga, Havili, etc.) over again the minute they stepped into the mission field. Other colleges try to cherry pick our guys while they serve, there's no reason we shouldn't be exploiting the advantage that we wouuld naturally have with full time missionaries.

    I'm not talking about harassing/distracting these kids...I'm talking about a word here, and a word there. I'm talking about very subtley reminding them of the spiritual atmosphere at BYU.

    I think it would be crazy not to utilize whatever advantage we have to make us more competitive with the USC's and Oregon's of the world.

  • UNLV!!!
    May 30, 2008 4:58 p.m.

    Didn't UNLV beat the Utes? I guess by BYU poaching him from UNLV, BYU is actually caring for their brothren up North. Maybe you'll be able to stop UNLV now.

  • Recruiting
    May 30, 2008 4:54 p.m.

    If it is not "recruiting" a player on their mission what is it called when BYU Football staff signs a player who is already on a mission?

    It is like saying "I didn't steal the car stereo I only took it off the guy's hands who stole it for a small fee.

    I don't think it is necessarily wrong but if Mendenhall said he wouldn't do it then he has gone back on his statement.

    Personally I think He should have never said he wouldn't recruit and should've foreseen this problem.

    But all things considered it really is the choice of the player to decide what he wants to do and they have the constitutional right do do whatever they want as long as it is within NCAA rules.

    Being a Ute fan I would prefer that my son play for BYU over USU or UNLV or New Mexico or Wyoming or CSU etc...

  • Re: Shadow - YES!!
    May 30, 2008 4:53 p.m.

    Wow, what's Utah football and Ute fan got to live for? You've already achieved everything you want, a BCS game.

    I guess BYU should have given up like Utes after their first WAC/MWC title, wait maybe after thier first Holiday Bowl game, wait maybe after their first Fiesta Bowl, oh wait maybe after their first National Championship...

    I guess it is true, BYU should be more like Utah and be satisfied with a concellation game. Cougar fans are selfish, they have already gotten all there is for College Football. Come on BYU - Why do you need more, why shut for another National Championship, why poach other players.... why even exist.

  • Question for Shadow Boy...
    May 30, 2008 4:49 p.m.

    So what if BYU's goals are something Utah has accomplished? What are Utah's goals this year? Apparently not to win the National Champtionship. Apparently not even to go back to the BCS.

    The fact that BYU can set realistic goals to at least make it to the BCS, and have that as a legitimate possibility says something.

    It's better to aim high and come up short than to aim low. You'll never get there aiming low.

    So go ahead and bask in your 1 good year. Go ahead and look down on us poor zoobs that have high expecations for our team. At least we have more than 1 good year to hang our hats on.

  • Re: UtahManSir
    May 30, 2008 4:45 p.m.

    Under your logic only the last 10 years of bowl games matter? So anything before the last ten years (pre-current BCS) are irrelevent and don't matter.

    Let's look at bowl games:

    Tah:
    Fiesta
    Sun
    Liberty
    Copper
    Freedom
    Vegas
    Poinsetta
    Emarld
    Armed Forces

    BYU:
    Fiesta
    Holiday
    Citrus (now Cotton Bowl)
    Cotton Bowl
    Tangerine (now Capital One)
    All-American
    Freedom
    Liberty
    Aloha
    Copper
    Motor City
    Vegas

    And according to your counterparts the only reason the Utes got to go to a "BCS" bowl was because of "BYU", after all, it was because of BYU that the BCS was created right? (According to Ute Fans).

  • Easy to understand
    May 30, 2008 4:35 p.m.


    1)BYU gets high school coach to call Nelson's dad - RECRUITING

    2) Te'o dad e mails BYU asking if they have interest- NOT RECRUITING

    3) Both are legal under NCAA rules

    4) Bronco said he wouldn't ever recruit a missionary and he did (NELSON)

  • Utah fans continue to spout
    May 30, 2008 4:28 p.m.

    Ute postings prove they are as passionate about BYU football as the BYU fans. However, it seems two faced that Utah fans continue to attack BYU on this and other things when they themselves have had their own problems with ethics and more, such as when Utah Basketball got in trouble with the NCAA just a couple years ago (and Utah fans keep calling BYU fans hypocrits.. go figure). Utah fans bashing BYU over these two recruits are very hypocritical. They are looking for reasons to bash BYU, regardless of whether it is deserved or not. Of course BYU has its problems too, but how these two recruits came to BYU is not one of them. Bronco handled it the right way.

    Give Bronco the respect he deserves. He is a class act, followed every NCAA rule, and was sensitive to the athlete, family and mission. That is head & shoulders above what other coaches have done when they have lured BYU recruits away to other porgrams in the past.

    Bronco is bringing back the BYU winning tradition and many kids are going to want to come to BYU. This is the true reason why Utah fans are mad.

  • dave neff
    May 30, 2008 4:26 p.m.

    Hey 'BYU Dorks', byu's dorkiness which is known nation wide is not worth discussing or arguing we are all aware.

    Why are we discussing who is better in the nfl BYU or Utah? Why would anyone care? On that note Utah and Weber have sent more players to the NFL this decade in football and basketball, lool Weeber!

    What is important I guess is that we enjoy these comments making fun of byu and watching them try and defend their 'almight school' as they think of it. Making fun of byu is just too easy...

    And no more talk about grassy knolls I'd rather not know about what goes on down their in happy valley...let me guess they stole that nickname from Penn State. As we saw that byu is known for stealing things from USU and other schools.

  • Skippy
    May 30, 2008 4:25 p.m.

    To Utah Man Sir

    National Champion

    BYU- 1

    Utah - ha ha as if
    Boise - keep the dream alive or at least a different turf.

  • Alex Trebek
    May 30, 2008 4:24 p.m.

    RE: Shadow - Yes!

    I'll admit it, BYU wants to go to the BCS game. There, you happy now? So what? Don't act like Utah is the only team who has busted the BCS. In fact, they aren't even the best non-BCS team to play in a BCS bowl. That honor belongs to Boise State. So a more accurate statement would be: We're aspiring to do what BSU has already accomplished. There's no shame in that.

    However, belittling the Y's accomplishments (Heisman, Doak Walker, Outland, Davey O'Brien, National Champion) will do nothing to enhance the yewes reputation as a second-tier school in a second-tier conference (yes, I can admit our conference stinks too).

    Side note: Last I checked UNLV guys really know how to put a hurtin' on the yewe, as do the Cougs so... good move, Malosi. Either way you would've beaten the yewts.

    Another side note: Close, I love the Jazz too but BYU football is just that popular. In fact, it's the most popular team in the state, hands down.

    Last thing: What yewt articles? No one cares, so no news...

  • Chasing your shadow
    May 30, 2008 4:24 p.m.

    Didn't Utah beat Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, the same team that BYU beat in the opening game of their national championship season?

    Instead of worrying about BYU's goals for this season, maybe Utah fans should woory more about their own team's goals.

    Utah hasn't accomplished squat this season and from all appearances, their ONLY goal for the upcoming season is beating BYU in November.

    A National Championship will always mean more than an also ran BCS Win.

  • So stupid..
    May 30, 2008 4:17 p.m.

    FormerYLoyalist, 12:51 a.m. May 30, 2008 says:

    "The Riley Nelson fiasco smelled bad, this makes it smell worse. Notice the fishy made-for-the-press timeline and the timing of the press release. Is this supposed to make Bronco look good? NOT"

    Fishy timeline? Don't be stupid. The writer obviously realized that with the Nelson thing, that was the huge question left up in the air - who contacted who first? Is there some BYU conspiracy? Is Bronco lying? Is he poaching missionaries and violating rules?

    So, obviously, with the next article, the writer (like any half-decent journalist) says, uh, how did this one develop? Let's get more of the story up front to avoid the questions later. And then he includes the timeline in his article in an attempt to show research and full disclosure.

    But you want to see something bad. You want Bronco to be a liar. So, you see in it what you want.

    This whole thing is so stupid.

    Of course BYU is going to respond to inquiries from missionaries (and their families). They don't hunt them, they just respond. To ignore them would be rude and foolish and hurt the university and its programs.

  • LP49
    May 30, 2008 4:14 p.m.

    BYU really wants Manti!! Suddenly a schollie becomes avail?

  • Re: BSU fan
    May 30, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    "CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND BEAT YOU 50-12"

    Congrats on beating probably the worst BYU team in the last 40 years.

    Which proves exactly... what???

    Crowton is gone, Mendenhall is here.

    You're invited back to Provo anytime.

  • Mike B.
    May 30, 2008 4:10 p.m.

    Once again the ignorance of non-byu fans is amazing. They jump on the band wagon and call Bronco out like he is from cell block C at the Utah State Prison. How dumb can you people be?? We have a program right now that is on the rise, these kids want to be a part of it. Winning is contagious. We have a great program here. Bronco once again was contacted by the parents first and has done nothing unethical here. Utah State and UNLV stink right now. What would you seriously do? Stay to have 4 loseing seasons or go with a proven winner? COME ON GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND!

  • UtahManSir
    May 30, 2008 4:07 p.m.

    TRIPS TO A BCS BOWL:

    UTAH-1

    BOISE ST-1

    BYU-0

    UNTIL YOU GET TO A BCS GAME, KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT

  • BYU Dorks
    May 30, 2008 3:57 p.m.

    As a Utah grad, I'm not fully aware of the BYU culture, so hopefully someone can educate me. Do BYU coeds really go on dates and eat dinners on the grassy knoll between the two lanes of traffic??? I just had a girl BYU grad tell me that she had 2 (yes, TWO) dates where this happened.

    This ALONE confirms the dorkiness of BYU fans.

    BYU breeds hypocrites (see: Bronco). Look no further than the guy sitting across from me last Utah vs. BYU game at Lavell Stadium who was extremely nice to me the whole game until Utah took the lead. A complete jerk (not to mention dork) for the few minutes that Utah had the lead. Afterwords, couldn't say enough about how great Utah was. Hypocrites!!!

    Lastly, this kid is good enough for special teams play and no more. Anyone that commits to play for UNLV in their current state obviously didn't have many other options....with reason!!

  • Re: BYU accomplishments
    May 30, 2008 3:56 p.m.

    Last I checked, the NFL and the NCAA were two separate entities.

    Fans who think that a great college player has to have a great pro career in order to validate his college career are just plain and simple, idiots.

    Different teams, different leagues, different playing conditions.

    Apples and Oranges comparisons are meaningless.

    Who is better?

    John Wooden or Phil Jackson
    Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods
    The Fighting Irish or The Pittsburgh Steelers

    Ty Detmer won the Heisman Trophy
    Alex Smith finished a distant fourth

  • Re: BYU Accomplishments
    May 30, 2008 3:54 p.m.

    And don't get me started on Alex Smith. Let's not talk about how successful NFL success relates to college success.

  • Shadow - YES!!
    May 30, 2008 3:48 p.m.

    Lovin it. ByU fans can't seem to admit that all of this upcoming season goals are ones that Utah already accomplished. I don't care about Heisman...not a goal for Utah. I don't care about National Championship...not a goal for Utah (or any MWC team since its unachievable). I thought the ByU education was better than this. Listen to my point....BYU'S GOALS FOR THIS SEASON ARE ONES THAT the UNIVERSITY OF UTAH has already Accomplished!!! Congrats on aspiring to be where Utah has been!!

    On a side note, why does anyone care about a dude that was a UNLV guy. Maybe if he was transfering from USC, but UNLV??? This kid will be a special teams player...big deal!!

    Another side note, so many comments here means that the Jazz are out of the playoffs and there's nothing to do in SLC!!

    Last thing, all you ByU complaints about Utes posts on ByU stories, go look at the Utah articles and you'll see even more of the opposite

  • Re: Shadow - Original
    May 30, 2008 3:41 p.m.

    If we go by your standards - then the 2004 season is irrelevent, Bronco was head coach then. So by your standards, neither BYU nor Utah has gone undefeated.

    You can cherry pick your years all you want, but if the 2004 season stands, then 1984 season stands. If we want to talk about current seasons, then let us look at the last three years when both current coaches took over the programs and had their control.

  • Alex Trebek
    May 30, 2008 3:40 p.m.

    RE: Timeline = Manti's rise

    Um, duh! Who wouldn't do everything within their power to get Manti Te'o (the best player in the country at his position) to come to their school? Too bad the other schools didn't think of it first. In the business world don't they call that being "progressive?" The Cougs would be foolish not to help their cause by signing Malosi. Wait, is doing so a violation? Should we call the Honor Code office for that one? Or maybe the Council of the Twelve since they're the school's trustees? Y haters, get over it!

    BYU accomplishments:

    Let's compare apples to apples: Detmer won the Heisman in COLLEGE. He threw 7 interceptions in one game in the NFL. Big difference there, bub. But it you want to go there we can. How great did Alex Smith look at Utah? Pretty good, I'd say. Now, how does he look like in the pros? Not so much. Is that a fair enough comparison for you?

  • Re:Success Syndrome
    May 30, 2008 3:40 p.m.

    The reason you didn't hear it any more is because the rest of the country doesn't enjoy kicking a program when they are down (unlike the BYU fans).

  • To Zoobie 55
    May 30, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    I appreciate your stories and honesty (maybe). That is pretty funny. I know that not all students at BYU are dorks. It is good to at least have some sort of sense of humor.

    To GO COUGS-
    Awesome comment. Truly hilarious. The mens volleyball thing is classic. Thanks for the pick me up in the day full of people who apparently cannot read, or who are not aware of or heard the interview with Nelson's dad.

  • Re: A good laugh
    May 30, 2008 3:36 p.m.

    1 - lets add Steve Young to the list, oh wait, we can add Jim McMahon too. So here is the question?

    How many NFL Hall of Famers does BYU have, and Utah?

    2 - As for the bowl record. It's easy to have winning records in less then respectable bowl games. How many of those wins came in the Holiday Bowl and other New Years Day Bowl games? Aside from the Fiesta Bowl (oh wait wasn't their competition that year also an 8-4 team?) which major bowl victories is Utah hanging their hats on?

  • Re: A good laugh...
    May 30, 2008 3:31 p.m.

    "Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex Smith"

    No need to pretend:

    QB Rating of 74.7 > 63.5

    Player DetmerSmith
    Games Played5332
    QB Rating74.763.5
    Completions546435
    Attempts946800
    Pass Percent57.754.4
    Pass Yards63514679
    Yards/Game119.8146.2
    Yards/Attempt6.75.8
    Touchdowns3419
    Interceptions3531

  • Re: The real issue
    May 30, 2008 3:31 p.m.

    I agree - Bronco went against his policy with "Jensen".

    I disagree - Bronco didn't go against his policy with "Nelson".

  • Re: The real issue
    May 30, 2008 3:22 p.m.

    The real issue is that Nelson's coach contacted a BYU recruiter, according to Riley's dad.
    The second real issue is this -- who's Jensen?

  • Success Syndrome
    May 30, 2008 3:20 p.m.

    When BYU's football is not winning, no one pays much attention to any of this. But when BYU starts to win, all of the sudden there are lots of articles about how unfair it is that BYU can send players on missions. My favorite was one by Rick Reilley a few years ago about what a HUGE advantage BYU had with all of the returned missionaries.

    Yet when the team posted several years of losing records, all of that stopped. Did the advantage suddenly go away?

    The reality is that allowing players to go on missions is very difficult to manage as a coach and recruiter. If it was such an advantage then why don't all the schools from big conferences send their players away to the Peace Corps for 2 years? They could still come back just like LDS returned missionaries.

  • BYU accomplishments
    May 30, 2008 3:15 p.m.

    Please stop with they Heisman winner. NEED I REMIND YOU COUGAR FANS THAT TY DETMER THREW 7, YES 7, THAT IS 7 INTERCEIPTIONS IN ONE GAME IN THE NFL.

  • BSU
    May 30, 2008 3:14 p.m.

    BSU fans are cracking me up with the WAC is so much better than the MWC. Didn't New Mexico spank Nevada 24 to 0 in their bowl game. I also remember just a few months ago the Idaho Statesman ran an article quoting BSU coach Peterson saying that BSU would accept an offer to play in the MWC if one were ever offered. Needless to say Carl Benson was not too happy about those comments. If the MWC ever offers BSU a spot they will take it in New York minute! Also Hawaii did not do the WAC or the MWC any favors by getting spanked by Georgia in a total domination game!!!

  • Can't stop laughing!
    May 30, 2008 3:05 p.m.

    I wonder how many of the same people that are pounding their fists and adamantly demanding that these missionaries be left to focus 100% of every minute of every day on the their missionary responsibilities and absolutely cannot in anyway be distracted by any school back home are the same former missionaries who on their own missions used to spend their time sleeping in, loitering for five hours at eating appointments, and finding excuses to go shopping instead of tracting!

    (I apologize for the run-on sentence, but all rules of grammar, decorum, and sensibility seem to fly out the window when posting on a forum!)

  • Where were you all in the past?
    May 30, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    It is funny that this has become such an issue the past few days. Missionaries changing their minds and coming to BYU is not new. Nobody was complaining a few years ago when Max Hall (ASU), Garrett Reden (UNLV), & Jan Jorgensen (Utah)all came to BYU post mission. These are the kids you should be complaining about because they have actually contributed to the Y's football revival. I know the reason nobody complained then, because the Y wasn't very good back then and nobody seemed to care. Now that we are winning everybody has a problem with these kids coming to BYU. Ute fans had no problem with Isley Filiaga when he decided to attend Utah instead of BYU a couple of years ago. Utah State fans had no problem with Brian Soi ending up in Logan (even though it was not because he didn't want to go to BYU). BYU will get some kids post mission and will lose some post mission (Olson, Stratton, Hill, Filiaga), the point is kids want to be associated with winning programs. The Y just finished up with two very successful seasons and the LDS talent around the country is taking notice.

  • Re: UTE FAN
    May 30, 2008 3:03 p.m.

    "SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO HATE!"???

    Ute fans would lose their identity if they didn't have BYU fans to whom they could compare themselves.

    btw,

    There's still time to enroll in that English 99R class,

    again.

  • dave neff
    May 30, 2008 2:59 p.m.

    Hey RM Cougar, is playing for byu a calling? Some of your fans seem to think so.

  • dave neff
    May 30, 2008 2:56 p.m.

    Gotta love being from one of the state schools.

    USU, Utah, Weber, SUU, UVSC on one side all teaming up and hating on byu and pointing out their lameness that they ignore.

    The only downside is most of these byu fans never even went to school there. Or if they applied byu would shread their applications before they could even get to the parking lot.

  • Alex
    May 30, 2008 2:57 p.m.

    Objective fan:

    "BYU fans get over yourselves, this isn't about blind jealousy on the part of Ute and Aggie fans. From a Ute fans perspective why would they be jealous that you're pulling in two marginal recruits whose future impact on the team is as mysterious as the BYU coaches silence on this whole issue? "

    Why? Why are you and other Utes here posting pretty inflammatory rhetoric? For some reason, you and others seem to care desperately about it.

  • Nothing new
    May 30, 2008 2:57 p.m.

    I was on a mission to Europe and had a companion at the time who had redshirted his freshman year at BYU. Elder 3-Star Defensive Back used to get all sorts of stuff in the mail from schools trying to recruit him on his mission. One PAC-10 school even coincidentally happened to have a coach over in Europe on vacation who just wanted to "drop by and introduce himself."

    This happens all over. Why is this such a big deal?

  • 193 Comments?
    May 30, 2008 2:50 p.m.

    Please, who really cares? Are we so starved for sports in the summer that we will allow ourselves to get all riled up over recruiting practices of a football team from a mid-major conference, when the practices in question are allowed under current NCAA rules?

    I love how everyone seems to have "sources" that know who initiated contact with whom, or who said what. We know what has been reported and BYU cannot comment on the specifcs yet. Lets all calm down and wait until all the facts come out over time before hastily making accusations and judgements, or better yet ... MOVE ON!

  • To confused
    May 30, 2008 2:42 p.m.

    You are confused??? Bronco said he would never recruit a kid on a mission. Bronco's assistant sends word through Nelson's high school coach to Nelson's parents that BYU is interested. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF RECRUITING.

    The kid from Hawaii via UNLV was NOT recruited. HIS PARENTS CALLED BRONCO without an assistant putting word out of BYU's interest.

    SIMPLE AS THAT.

  • Alex
    May 30, 2008 2:41 p.m.

    No integrity:

    "The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher standards and being different. "

    Of course we are about winning. Aren't you? Look, I wouldn't give a fig for someone who doesn't play sports and life to win. Where is the high standard in aiming lower? How different is it to be as mediocre as possible? Everyone should aim to be the best they can be, and not be ashamed if they are blessed with success.

  • GO COUGS
    May 30, 2008 2:41 p.m.

    I find it very interesting that BYU can come up with a scholorship after they realized he was related to a blue chip linebacker. All you U fans need to remember this is "ZION" the "Lords School". We would never ever do anything that would violate NCAA policy

    signed
    BYU Mens Volleyball

  • Shadow?
    May 30, 2008 2:36 p.m.

    Hmmmmm, BYU in Utah's shadow?
    When was the last time Utah won a national championship?....Oh, right NEVER!
    When was the last time a Ute player won the Heisman?
    NEVER!
    Seems Utah is still in the Y's shadow.

  • Y fans not honest
    May 30, 2008 2:30 p.m.

    It was pretty clear that Y coaches initiated contact with Nelson through his coach, from Nelson's dad's comments. Nothing wrong with that except the hypocrisy.

    Why can't Y fans admit Bronconi is like everyone else when it comes to recruiting. He uses his advantage and playing the religion card in his advantage. His "higher standards" are just for the consumption of those he is recruiting, but not for his staff.

    I'm going to laugh when Manti goes to USC and you are stuck with his lesser cousins and your plan to land the big fish.

  • To: A Good Laugh . . .
    May 30, 2008 2:23 p.m.

    I'll give you 1922 to 1963, Utah was mediocre, and BYU barely fielded a team.

    But since the formation of the WAC in 1964:

    Overall
    BYU 348-168-3 (67%)
    Utah 264-233-3 (53%)
    head-to-head (BYU 28, Utah 16)

    WAC
    BYU 279-127-3 (68%) 19 WAC; 1 National championship
    Utah 192-197-3 (49%) 2 WAC championships
    head-to-head (BYU 24, Utah 11)

    MWC
    BYU 69-41 (63%) 4 MWC championships
    Utah 72-36 (67%) 3 MWC championships
    head-to-head (BYU 4, Utah 5)

    Bottom line, Utah has become more competitive and, thanks to Urban Meyer's 2 great season, and Gary Crowtons 3 terrible seasons, Utah has a slightly better record, but fewer conference championships than BYU since the formation of MWC.

    Even so, Utah's much improved record (67%) over the last 9 years is the same as BYU's record (67%) for the past 45 years.

    The trend, however, starting with Mendenhall and Whittingham, is going in BYU's favor. If Utah doesn't want to fall back into the shadow again, they're going to have to pick up the pace.

  • RM Cougar
    May 30, 2008 2:21 p.m.

    While I was on my mission, Jacob de Jager spoke to us and I still remember him telling us, "Just as you have to prepare to come on a mission, you have to prepare to come home." He said that we needed to put our affairs in order, so we could concentrate on the work. That's all these two young men are doing.

  • Alex
    May 30, 2008 2:20 p.m.

    I have to admit I am loving this. I am trying really hard to keep myself from laughing myself to tears. I've gone through dozens of these passionate indignation speeches about the "indignity and gall" of returning missionaries from other schools switching from other schools to go to BYU. I still don't understand what specifically BYU did that has BYU antifans (they love to hate BYU) indignant. That said, there are few things in this world more satisfying than BYU success right to the face of a BYU antifan with a chip on his shoulder. Go Cougars!

  • UTE FAN
    May 30, 2008 2:19 p.m.

    WHY DO LITTLE COUGS ALWAYS SAY "YOUR NOT UTE FANS, BUT BYU HATERS"?? THIS PUZZLES ME BECAUSE ON DAY THERE WILL BE NO BYU ATHLETIC PROGRAM. IT'S TOO BIG OF A SCARE ON THE CHURCH! SO SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO HATE! I AM A UTE AND WILL BE TIL I DIE!

  • Proud BYU fan
    May 30, 2008 2:15 p.m.

    I think it's time that BYU goes to a BCS bowl game. Maybe this will be the year.

  • Objective fan to BYU fans
    May 30, 2008 2:10 p.m.

    Yes because if someone disagrees with a BYU fan then they are automatically assumed to be a childishly labeled "yewt" right?

    Listen, I never said its wrong to seek out educational/athletic opportunities while on the mission, I just asked if it's necessary with a year left when most missionaries are just barely getting comfortable with their new surroundings. I agree with the assertion that many college athletes on a mission have a small window of opportunity to receive a scholarship to a school of their choice. But I also agree that it could have a negative impact on the focus of some of these missionaries.

    For any of us to pretend, though, that we know how these recruiting efforts (on both sides) impact these kids on their missions is ludicrous. It may be trivial to a kid's focus, but it could also be detrimental. The latter is why I tend to question the ethics.

  • Cougarcanuck
    May 30, 2008 2:06 p.m.

    Hey dfarmer, do other schools not recruit Catholic athletes just because Notre Dame, Boston College and some others recruit them? Schools will recruit the best athletes they can get their mitts on, regardless of religion.

  • Your a bunch of Idiots...
    May 30, 2008 2:05 p.m.

    All of the NCAA Championships titles are debatable since there is has never been a NCAA Championship Football Game! BYU 1 Yewts Zip!

  • re:good laugh...
    May 30, 2008 2:03 p.m.

    Im sorry but Alex Smith is a worthless qb in the NFL. He is a system qb that was good in college and wont do anything in the NFL. So you can "pretend" that 49ers got their money's worth with him.

  • Confused
    May 30, 2008 1:52 p.m.

    UTE FANS AND OTHERS WHO THINK BRONCO IS A HYPOCIT!
    Please show me one piece of evidence that Bronco recruited these two young men?

    Please tell me:
    Did Bronco send them a letter (before the family contacted him)?

    Did he send out his Assitant coaches to the families to persuade them to have the kid change his mind?

    Did he offer a scholorship to these young men BEFORE they contacted him?

    Nelson - Higgens was talking to the Logan Coach in a causul conversation and mentioned that BYU was interested. It was the Logan coach that did the recruiting

    Recruiting? Borderline, not recruiting in the general sense of the word

    Teo - This is all the family and young man decision.
    They contacted Bronco, WHO WAITED UNTIL THE LEGAL TIME TO MAKE CONTACT to email the PARENTS (still no contact with player). This wait was something like a year, the kid must have been wondering why the whole time.

    Recruiting - NO! no way, no sense , no how

  • Zoobie 55
    May 30, 2008 1:47 p.m.

    RE: Please Humor me Ok Ok maybe BYU recruited Riley Nelson on his mission. Here are some other imperfections which may amuse you.
    When Gifford Nielson broke his leg in the 1970"s against Oregon I was so upset I didn't go to church the next day. (God had abandoned us)
    I used to think a BYU win was a win for the church.
    When a student at BYU, I wouldn't confess red was my favorite color.
    One of my BYU football roommates drank beer. I refused to turn him in for honor code violations. Karma came back to bite me. One evening my date asked if she could see where I lived. When we entered my apartment it was empty, but 10 empty beer bottles had been left surrounding the kitchen table. It was my first and last date with her.

  • No integrity
    May 30, 2008 1:40 p.m.

    The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher standards and being different.

  • dave neff
    May 30, 2008 1:35 p.m.

    'To:passionate about BYU', bragging about a masters from byu is very impressive.

    how did u stand living in provo for the 2 yrs it took to get the degree that alone impresses me.

  • RE: Passionate about BYUWHO
    May 30, 2008 1:34 p.m.

    BYU is healthy to go to yet another VEGAS bowl. Go cougars!! Live the dream and show up 5 minutes before kickoff and boo every time there is a call, even though it was clear.

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 1:33 p.m.

    I agree with 'BSU fan', byu is a joke. byu still thinks the mtn west is better than the wac.

    hasnt the wac champ played in the bcs bowls the last couple yrs.

    imagine if byu was in a bcs bowl - lol

    I guess they did win a national title in 1984. And they totally deserved it, not many teams could barely beat a 6-6 Michigan that finished 5 place in the big ten.

    I still dont understand why barry switzer of Oklahoma was mad byu was the national champion football team?

  • re: Passionate
    May 30, 2008 1:31 p.m.

    Passionate isn't showing up to a game 2 minutes before kickoff. YOu want college football passion go move to the south where they tailgate all day of the game.

  • LALALA
    May 30, 2008 1:30 p.m.


    LALAL HEY HEY WHO CARES!!

    Who is this guy freakin LT or Reggie Bush? Just like Nelson is a 5'10 Tim Tebow or something? Guys who cares, these aren't big time players or recruits. Let them go play at BYU or whatever. Guys are making such a big deal about kids you don't even know. My proof there are 4 pages of ridicoulis comments.

  • BSU the new BYU
    May 30, 2008 1:29 p.m.

    BSU is now considered what BYU used to be years ago, they now put fear in the eyes of BYU players and fans.

  • 1984
    May 30, 2008 1:26 p.m.

    The worst NCAA chanpionship in football. So bad the BCS was born because of it. BYU barely beat a 4th place Michigan team to win the title. All you BYU people complianing about the BCS, it was because of BYU it was created.

  • Shadow - Original
    May 30, 2008 1:26 p.m.

    Typical COUGIE fans....always pointing to 1984 to a VERY debatable national championship. True, all you TDS followers have all of these past accolades to point to. I'm not debating that. The only thing that is not debatable is that Bronco and his TDS followers have stated that their goals this year is an "undefeated season" and a "BCS Bowl" birth. So based on those comments....UTAH has ALREADY accomplished BYU's goals only a few years ago. Keep dreaming about what its like being Utah in 2004 Cougars....maybe Broco should have all the players lay in the grass and watch 2004 Ute highlight films so they can better imagine what they need to aspire to.

  • To:passionate about BYU
    May 30, 2008 1:15 p.m.

    please define "enery" for me. I have a Masters degree from BYU and don't ever remember that word.

  • BSU fan
    May 30, 2008 1:10 p.m.

    BYU DON'T EVEN TALK SMACK UNTIL YOU CAN BEAT US. WE CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND BEAT YOU 50-12!!!!!!!!!!

  • to: Bunch of Babies
    May 30, 2008 1:09 p.m.

    So what you are saying is that the brothers belong at American Fork?? Then what is the other one doing at Timpview???? This seems to be a case of parents who have learned how to bend the rules in their favor.. First the UHSAA and now BYU..

  • Passionate about BYU
    May 30, 2008 12:49 p.m.

    Wow, I think the BYU haters are as passionate about BYU football as the BYU fans are. Do they spend this much enery towards other teams they hate?

    Best sign yet that BYU football is healthy>

  • A Good Laugh . . .
    May 30, 2008 12:46 p.m.

    Having a good laugh here about the "whose in whose" shawdow re: BYU and Utah football.

    There is that brilliant group who says "only the last two years matter and we Cougars know how we've dominated those games -- so get a life (Collie and Harline . . .)".

    Then, there is the "'history' matters -- but only if we define it the way I want it defined and that's the LaVell era" group.

    Then, there is the "we won a National Championship and you didn't -- so, neenerneenerneener" bunch.

    Oh, and don't forget the "we won all those conference championships" group.

    Pretend the all-time record in the rivalry isn't BYU-30 wins Utah-49 wins.

    Pretend the record over the last 10 or 20 years isn't just about even.

    Pretend that the bowl game record of all those conference champions isn't embarrassing.

    Pretend that going undefeated in 1984 is way better than going undefeated in 2005 since no other team went undefeated in 1984.

    Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex Smith (I'd put Steve Young's name in here if I were you, oh -- but wait he didn't win a Heisman either).

    Pretend, pretend, pretend.

  • To: Objective fan
    May 30, 2008 12:40 p.m.

    "is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still have a year left on the mission?"

    YES< YES< and YES,

    it is REALLY NECESSARY

    ...if you want to play for a major college football program.

    For most athletes, there is only a very small window of opportunity. If you wait too long, that window of opportunity may be closed.

    EVERY school has a limited number of scholarships and has to divy them up to cover ALL positions and ALL years.

    If an athlete, who isn't already on the list of scholarship players, intends to play for a certain school, he needs to get his name on the list as soon as possible so that the school can make plans to include him, otherwise, there may not be an available scholarship or open position for him to fill.

  • The real issue:
    May 30, 2008 12:36 p.m.

    Dick has finally found the quote - "We will not recruit players while they are on their missions. That is not our policy. But when they do contact us, we'll certainly listen."

    According to Riley Nelson's dad BYU contacted Riley's parents through his high school coach.

    Accroding to Te'os dad the parents contacted BYU.

    Conclusion- Jensen was recruited, Te'o was not. Bronco went against his policy with Jensen, with the policy with Te'o.

    The End

  • to 19 ute 13
    May 30, 2008 12:34 p.m.

    The Vegas bowl is treating us just fine, considering it is the bowl the CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS go to. Don't you wish you could get there?

  • Coach
    May 30, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Good work: quality recruit, abide by the rules. Go Cougars.

  • Texas Cougar
    May 30, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    Good players want to go to good programs. Two years ago (when these guys were getting recruited) who've thought that BYU would have back to back 11-2 seasons? BYU is the BCS busting darling of this preseason (whether they deserve it or not).

    That's one of the tough parts of college sports. When a team starts doing well, people that play at slumping schools jump ship and join the successful team (for a chance at a little more publicity and professional prospect). The good get better while the not so good try to find a way to cope. This was BYUs situation just four short years ago (w/Ben Olson)

    Maybe players shouldn't be allowed to switch schools once they've made a decision to sign with one team. Does that idea work better for everyone out there complaining about these recent moves? No, wait...I've got an even better idea. For every time a player decides to transfer to another school, the NCAA should remove one of their fingers. That would make some players think twice about changing their loyalties.

    Plus, these players weren't really recruited by BYU

  • chester blue
    May 30, 2008 12:29 p.m.

    With recruiting on the rise and an excellent coaching staff, BYU is on track to not only bust the BCS this year, they'll be listed as a BCS buster for years to come. Winning and doing it the right way recruits excellent LDS athletes not only in HS but others(currently serving missions who've signed with other schools before) because their heart strings have been touched. I believe they often receive divine intervention while in the field to make the best possible decision on their future. As Collie said, While doing your best and doing the right things on and off the field, the Lord steps in and does the rest. BYU is the right place for most LDS athletes if not all. Sometimes they don't realize until on their missions but that's okay. BRONCO AND STAFF HAVE NEVER INITIATED CONTACT WITH REGARDS TO STEALING LDS ATHLETES AWAY FROM OTHER SCHOOLS. THEY WERE INBOUNDS ON THEIR APPROACH. THE MISSIONARIES AND THEIR FAMILIES MADE THE FIRST MOVE. I'll I can say now is we welcome you Manti and Levi and the rest that may follow. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!!

  • objective fan II
    May 30, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    It's obvious that Bronco KEEPS the recruiting rules and RESPECTS missionaries and their families. The program is set up wonderfully. Missions help mature boys into men, and it becomes easier to see a full picture, make clearer decisions without regret. It shouldn't get ute/aggies mad at all...if anything they should be excited, because they get to play BYU and compete. Signed, Craig Thompson

  • Re:ute hater
    May 30, 2008 12:26 p.m.

    Who are you referring to as he? I think in this story you are right, but it is still apparent in the Nelson case that BYU contacted his family and him. So findng a new thing to take shots at is a great idea, but if you read the interview with his father with any kind of objectivity, the case is pretty much closed on who initiated contact. Coaches called the family. The "casual" conversation with the high school coach is pretty irrelevant.

  • Aggie Fan
    May 30, 2008 12:27 p.m.

    The past weeks events don't look good for anyone. It doesn't look good for Riley, his family, or his mission president. It doesn't look good for the USU coaches because they lost an All-American. But it doesn't look good for BYU and their "believe to be" high standards. I am sorry to see Riley leave Logan where he would be respected, but I am disappointed in BYU. I guess no college player is safe in Utah unless they play for BYU.

  • To Objective Fan
    May 30, 2008 12:23 p.m.

    I agree, why are Ute fans making such a big deal over this. They are bashing BYU by the hoards.

    Regarding the ethics, what is wrong with a recruitable kid or their family contacting a school to find out if they can play for that school? What is wrong with a coach (keeping NCAA rules)responding to such a kid, even if they are on a mission? If it is wrong, why does every other school do this, and most schools even cross that line and initiate contact with kids to recruit them to their program? BYU has been very careful not to cross that line. Other schools have no problem initiating contact. So, why are Utes and the BYU haters making such a bid deal? The only think I can come up with is their hatred for BYU and the fact that they can't stand that BYU is good and getting better.

    Objective fan??? Hardly.

  • How Bad Can It Get?
    May 30, 2008 12:22 p.m.

    The BYU fans' (and that certainly includes Dick Harmon) best argument in all of this is that no rules were broken and BYU did just what all other schools do. Ergo, what's the big deal?

    The big deal, of course, is that some people, check that, many people, expect something just a little better from a Universtiy who has as its Board of Trustees the Quorum of the Twelve.

    Truth is, and nothing could demonstrate it much better than the string of comments above, BYU fans are just like other fans -- their fanatics. They care more about their perception of what it means to have a "great" football program than they do about having, for example, a broken heart and contrite spirit.

    That's OK -- except for when they pretend it isn't so. Then, it's their behavior, much more than anything done by their coach or players, that really makes them what they are.

  • Bunch of Babies
    May 30, 2008 12:19 p.m.

    To those of you who think Bronco and his staff was proactive in contacting Milosi Teo you don't know what's going on! A little background info...

    Milosi played at American Fork until he could see that the coaches didn't have a full appreciation for his talents so he went to Kahuku.

    The coaching staff at American Fork has the mentality of sharing the load for running the ball even though one may be clearly better and should get most of the carries. I know because my son was a player there and he knows Milosi. Because Milosi didn't get the carries and the attention from Universities he should have @ AF-he went to Kahuku.

    Kahuku didn't necessarily receive Milosi with open arms and they made him play behind someone else since that player had been there. But with his talent he finally got noticed later in the season there and he got the playing time he deserved.

    BYU didn't give him the time of day until his parents came knocking! He's definitely worth the scholarship but under the circumstances didn't get noticed until his family made the contact. He's coming to the school he always wanted to play for!!

  • Ben Olson Situation
    May 30, 2008 12:18 p.m.

    I remember reading or hearing that the UCLA coach wrote Ben Olson every week on his mission.

    The uproar of all of this is mainly due to the fact that BYU has a winning program that these young men want to play for...not to mention a great school.

    Bronco Mendenhall is a coach that any parent should be proud to have their son play for!!

  • Objective fan
    May 30, 2008 12:02 p.m.

    BYU fans get over yourselves, this isn't about blind jealousy on the part of Ute and Aggie fans. From a Ute fans perspective why would they be jealous that you're pulling in two marginal recruits whose future impact on the team is as mysterious as the BYU coaches silence on this whole issue?

    What Ute and Aggie fans are questioning is the ethics of BYU coaches and these kids' families for that matter. I understand missionaries should have realistic goals set for when they return, but is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still have a year left on the mission?

  • Re: Re: Nice one Cougars
    May 30, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    You've obviously missed the point, the smack wasn't on UNLV, it was on BYU.

  • Bronco busting
    May 30, 2008 12:00 p.m.

    Bronco is a good guy, and I'm not even a BYU fan.

  • Big Deal
    May 30, 2008 11:58 a.m.

    So BYU recruited a couple of guys on their mission. Let's get this straight, it's okay for any other school in the nation to go after a kid on a mission but BYU, an LDS institution. Isn't LDS athletes what BYU wants. If anything LDS missionaries should be off limits to anyone but BYU.

  • ute hater
    May 30, 2008 11:53 a.m.

    he contacted BYU, find something else to take your shots at yewts

  • Spud Man
    May 30, 2008 11:49 a.m.

    Bronco has built a winning program. Its no wonder that the blue recruits are now flooding his door. Everyone wants to be a winner (not a weiner-Ywete fans).

  • Re: Disappointed
    May 30, 2008 11:42 a.m.

    No BYU coach in his right mind would have such a form letter unless all missionaries were off limits to ALL schools recruiting them during their missions.

    I can understand, however, why a Utah fan would want to lay a guilt trip on the Y and get them to self-impose another disadvantage that no other school is bound to.

    There is NOTHING WRONG with BYU responding to a missionary's inquiry as long as it is done with care and doesn't distract the missionary from his missionary work.

    Almost ALL missionaries make plans for their future while they're still serving.

    We've had four children graduate from BYU. All four served missions and all four filled out applications and even scheduled classes for the upcoming school year, all while they were still serving in the mission field. None of them were athletes.

    Missionaries are very capable of being fully committed to their missionary service and still find time to make plans for after their missions.

    Why should athletes be held to a different standard?

  • Disrespecting Bronco
    May 30, 2008 11:40 a.m.

    I can't understand how any fan of college football can disrespect Bronco.

    Look at what Bronco has done to BYU football, the character of these young men, to the community, and to the MWC. He has brought respect and honor to all of the above. He honored his own recruiting policy, which is at a higher standard than any other coach. I guarantee you that most other coaches have absolutely no problem contacting and recruiting players on missions. It happens all of the time to BYU players, whether they choose to go or not.

    BYU haters, where is your class??????????? Where??

  • Idiotic comments
    May 30, 2008 11:38 a.m.

    Do any of you people even know what "unethical" even means? Study up on it.
    It doesn't mean that when a player decides to go to a better school to improve his future (abiding by ALL rules and regulations and doing something that EVERY other school in the country has always done INCLUDING BYU) that he or the coach of the team he goes to has done something unethical.
    You must all be the same kind of idiots who are going to vote for Obama to protest the fact that Romney didn't win the nomination.
    Think about what you are complaining about - it doesn't make any sense - nothing wrong has been done(or even the appearance of anything wrong).
    All idiots

  • Missing the entire point.....
    May 30, 2008 11:36 a.m.

    BYU haters are missing the entire point that these articles do not touch on.....and that is.....these athletes are making a choice to play for BYU....no different than making a decision to vote for Osama, Bilary, McCain! BYU is not making these young men play for BYU....they are committing to BYU to wear the Y Helmuts and kick some butt...

    Thats what makes this country great......freedom to persue your dreams.......the day that football players cannot play for the schools they have dreamed about playing for....will be a very sad day indeed......If USU UNLV or Utah are not getting the recruits that you want? Then take a look at you program.....and make the changes necessary to attract the talent you deserve, because its appaernt that based on results of you recruiting ....YOU SUCK TODAY!

  • James Lark
    May 30, 2008 11:30 a.m.

    BYU & Coach Mendenhall have completely hosed James Lark.

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 11:27 a.m.

    I don't understand your logic "Cougar Dreaming".

    Only 1 school has won a national championship from a Non-BCS Conference:

    BYU

    Not to disrespect what Boise State, Utah and Hawaii have accomplished, but I will take the National Championship over a BCS bid any day.

    And to RE: Ute Fan - BYU has won the last two meetings. Utah hasn't beaten BYU since 2005, which was BYU's last bad year. You are grasping at straws because you are a BYU hater and BYU is bringing back its tradition of winning.

  • Say What?!?
    May 30, 2008 11:20 a.m.

    BYU should have a form letter that states, "We'll talk only after your mission?" How stupid is that? Waiting until your mission is over to make a decision on where you'll go to school would be insane. In most cases, it will mean you would've missed application deadlines, and you would then be stuck wasting a year of your life working some dead end part time job.

    Bronco already has the most honorable and yet still sensible policy when it comes to currently serving missionaries: Don't speak unless spoken to. His assistants just need to make sure they follow every intent of that policy, unlike what I think Higgins did with the Riley situation.

  • Zoobies are kind of nerds
    May 30, 2008 11:18 a.m.

    While only about 1/2 of BYU students are zoobies about 1/2 of Utah students are Jerks. I am somewhere in between but would rather be a nerd than a jerk. Notice I didn't say all. Some utah fans are not jerks you just have more run ins with the ones that are.

  • Looks like a Duck
    May 30, 2008 11:18 a.m.

    We all know the saying its a duck. Seems mighty odd that two high school coaches just happen to run into members of the cougars staff and say their old players have interest in going to the Y. Only a cougar fan would look at this situation and say that Bronco and his team are not actively recruiting missionary players committed to other programs. That said it is this kids right to go where he wants I wish him luck. I hope the boys on the hill are now doing what ever they can to protect their LDS players serving missions.

  • missionaries
    May 30, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    Next time one comes to my door we are gonna talk football forget the lessons!.

  • Setting the record straight
    May 30, 2008 11:17 a.m.

    As a BYU fan, I'll agree that a horrible BYU team was dominated by a very mediocre Utah team during the first 40 years of the rivaly. Since then, let the record speak for itself:

    BYU vs. Utah (1922-2007)
    Last 10 5-5
    Last 2010-10
    Last 3019-11
    Last 3625-11 (Since LaVell)
    Last 4025-15
    Last 5029-21
    Overall 30-49-4*

    Doesn't include the 1890's games which BYU and Utah split 3-3

  • Re:Get it straight
    May 30, 2008 11:16 a.m.

    Congrats!!!
    You really did it. I hope the world doesn't come to an end like many people might think. I knew that the first reply would involve Crowton, but I am actually impressed about the Chow admission. Well done too on insulting the U while simultaneously responding to my "clamor" for something.
    Next would be the challenge to find something wrong with the program or school in the Bronco era. Why don't we just try something about the school next. We have to take baby steps here.

  • Personal Foul ! !
    May 30, 2008 11:14 a.m.

    Gross personal misconduct foul on all you guys calling hypocrisy. You have no clue what you are spouting off about. When these players' parents contacted BYU you cannot accuse BYU of hypocrisy. All indications clearly point to strict adherence by BYU to all rules including NOT recruiting missionaries. Coach Bronco has impeccable integrity so try using some of your own. Your envy of the success of BYU football is undeniable so why continue looking like fools.

  • Dick
    May 30, 2008 11:15 a.m.

    Hey Dick---Still looking for the quote?

  • We play in our own Shadow
    May 30, 2008 11:13 a.m.

    Which would you rather have?

    Undefeated season and a lame-o consolation BCS bowl, or an undefeated season and a National Championship?

    23 Conference Championships, or 3 and two thirds?

    One Heisman winners, or no Heisman winners?

    One already inducted Hall of Fame coach and one future Hall of Fame coach (who actuall made their careers at the school, and didn't use it as a stepping stool), or no hall of fame coaches?


    Don't start the brag game; that's a contest your Utes are losing badly to BYU.

  • Thanks for the HUMOR
    May 30, 2008 11:13 a.m.

    To Naive: BYU has recruited in Hawaii for years, especially out of Kahuku High School.

    To "Mom won't send her kids to Bronco's firesides": Too bad, that was an incredible fireside, incredible spirit, and motivational for myself and my wife.

    To BSU fans: Do you really live in Boise, or did you HAVE to move there because of job requirements?

    To Shadow: I can guarantee I am not even remotely interested in posting something on a Utah article. Do they even write articles about Utah football?

    To "Non-belivwe": What in the world is a non-belivwe? Or a "peoblem"? Or someone being too "righeous"?

    To "Nice one cougars": "Stealing players" is really cute, especially like the cool guys at your school stole your girlfriend, right? Poaching is much better, you're just killing something that has been banned due to scarcity and endangerment. Good example.

    Thanks again to each of you for brining a little more humor my way today.

    GO COUGARS! 2008 looks pretty GREAT!

  • HELLLLLPPPPP!!!
    May 30, 2008 11:11 a.m.

    I agree that how would the parents in HAWAII know to do this-Better yet-how would people in HAWAII have another son playing at TIMPVIEW in Provo.. BYU did not lose their Rick's college-they just reinstated it in TIMPVIEW high school right there in Provo- The UHSAA better take a better look now at things that are brewing in Provo.

  • No hypocracy
    May 30, 2008 11:09 a.m.

    Where is the hypocracy? Mendenhall only said that he would be very carefull about contacting missionaries regarding football. Again, BYU made no initial contact with this boy, the boy initiated it. The hypocracy is all you anit cougs who complain that BYU is holier than thou but then you hold them to standards that you deem okay for Utah, Utah St or whoever. Go cougs and keep taking the best talent so we can hear the other schools continue to cry...MWC champs again.

  • Adam
    May 30, 2008 11:10 a.m.

    Some of you people act like Bronco has secret agents going into the mission field and stealing recruits. These missionaries are big boys now and their parents are well informed. I hear no compaints about them being forced to transfer.
    As for Bronco, he would be equally scrutinized if he failed to land any missionary recruits. I am sure the AD expects a certain number of athletes to change their mind. People are really reaching for reasons to gripe about Bronco and BYU. This would be a silly recruiting dicussion in the SEC.
    As for as the NCAA rules regarding missionaries and transfers, well this may be a real issue. I could easily see them changing the rule to lose a year of eligibility. However, this shifts the balance of power in fovar of the school and away from the athlete.

  • Asking Too Much
    May 30, 2008 10:59 a.m.

    The simple fact here is that BYU fans will never admit that their football program or school did something wrong. Most of us are not that different really. Fans will always associate their team with their school, which in this case is associated with their religion. Asking somebody to find fault in their religion is an extremely tall order. Those of us with the ability to separate the sports team from the religion can find fault and see things from a clearer, more objective point of view. But asking someone who sees no real difference between the two is asking too much.

  • Hypocrite?
    May 30, 2008 10:58 a.m.

    I would much rather be labeled a hypocrite than judgemental. In this case, the hypocrisy is debateable leaning on the side of Bronco. If the family, school, and mission president did not object than the rest of us petty know it alls don't count. When I see a statement from a mission president saying that Bronco overstepped I will be upset.

  • Re: Shadow?
    May 30, 2008 10:53 a.m.

    Show us your NCAA Football Championship trophy!

    BYU - 1984
    Utah - none

    Show us your Heisman trophy!

    BYU - Ty Detmer
    Utah - none

    Show us your conference Football Championship trophy!

    BYU - 23 (19 WAC/4 MWC)
    Utah - 5 (2 WAC/3 MWC)

    then you can talk about Utah not being in the shadow of BYU football anymore.

  • JC
    May 30, 2008 10:53 a.m.

    It is looking more like a pattern and no longer an isolated event. We may be looking at the new BYU athletics recruiting policy.

    A couple questions to ponder: how many Mission Presidents would enthusiastically introduce BYU recruiters to their missionaries when they come calling, and reject recruiters from USC, UCLA, AFA, LSU, OSU, UofU, BSU, etc? And how many of those Mission Presidents are BYU alums or fans?

    Seems like a two-faced abuse of the church's Missionary program. Hmmm - or perhaps it is church's missionary department that has changed: the definition of a convert now includes a missionary athlete who switches to BYU.

    ...and regarding Ben Olson, I believe it was 'Elder' Olson who contacted UCLA first - not the other way around.

  • Re: Shadow?
    May 30, 2008 10:54 a.m.

    Come on man --- really? That's your articulate argument? If history is history... BYU 1984 Undefeated "NATIONAL CHAMPS!" That's a one up on the UofU undefeated "FIESTA BOWL!" You don't erase shadows just because your team has done a better accomplishment in more recent years. Fact is, BYU has accomplished more over the last 25 years than the U. Granted Utah had a few good seasons, but that doesn't mean BYU is know in Utah's shadow.

    If you want to go point for point - BYU will prove to be a mountain over a mole-hill in comparison to the Utes.

  • MN Cougar
    May 30, 2008 10:48 a.m.

    I love it. If you can't beat them on the field, try to bad-mouth them to death. The aggies and ewe make ankle biting an Olympic sport.

  • Re: Nice one Cougars
    May 30, 2008 10:45 a.m.

    Maybe with us poaching players from UNLV, you will have a chance to score a touchdown and beat them this year!!!

    Don't talk smack about schools that used you as scrimmage.

  • Hey Shadow boy:
    May 30, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    Come back and talk when you get a National Title. In the meantime enjoy spending your days hating on BYU because that is more fun than following your sorry team. It must be cold in that shadow.

  • 2nd-hand experience
    May 30, 2008 10:43 a.m.

    I was companion with a well-known BYU player who's currently in the NFL who was recruited by a school outside of BYU during his mission. BYU didn't start its recruiting until after the other school did. The other school was much more agressive than BYU, but it didn't affect his missionary service one bit. He was up in the air for a month or so, made his decision, and stuck to it.

    I don't see a problem here.

  • It Happens
    May 30, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Players change their minds all the time. Players leave successful programs to go to marginal programs. Players leave marginal programs to go to successful programs.

    In the end, the only opinion that really matters is the player making the decision. He has his own reasons for making his decision.

    Some missionaries change their minds a leave BYU. Some decide to come to BYU.

    Fans can argue all they want about right and wrong, but, in the end, unless NCAA rules have been broken, if you're looking to place blame, the only person you can blame is the player, and the player has just as much right to change his mind about where to play as any other person making a personal decision.

    It's just a game,



    ...both on and off the field.

  • not a coach but
    May 30, 2008 10:39 a.m.

    hahahaha! Funny crying message boarders. What do you expect the BYU coaches to do? Ignore good players that want to play for them? Should they tell them, "oh contact us when you are off your mission and it is too late for you and for us to make plans."

    Come on! Find something intelligent to be bitter about.

  • brerabbit
    May 30, 2008 10:40 a.m.

    Which is more distracting to a missionary, to fret his entire mission, evan "discussing it with investigators", or making the decision early and moving on with the work at hand? for my part, the successful people I know, make their decisions based on the best information they have at the time and move on. When factors change or new information comes to light they make a new decision and move on. That doesn't mean their principles have been compromised or that the initial decision was wrong. Personally I look for an entertaining year of great football from all our schools. the stronger the teams the better the compitition. One strong team in a conference will never get national recognition. Go Utes! Work on all MWC teams! but mostly Go Cougars!

  • NCAA Rules Question
    May 30, 2008 10:38 a.m.

    Mentioned earlier is that the rule of not losing one year's eligibility for transferring was only applicable to LDS missionaries. If a player were to do 2 years in the Peace Corps, could he then transfer without losing a year of eligibility?

  • michael
    May 30, 2008 10:30 a.m.


    It might have been a trickle before but from now on every BYU athlete that is on a mission will be fair game. BYU is on the upside here but will soon be poached at a level not seen before. Bronco - turn about is fair play.

  • Disappointed
    May 30, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    While not a fan of the WHY! This just furthers the hypocrisy. Bronco, you should have a form letter that responds to each parent, brother, sister, agent etc who may contact you regarding a missionary. It should read "I'm sorry, but in light of the fact that your son is serving a mission for the Lord byu will not discuss his future until he returns home. Thank you for your interest. Bronco"
    Parents shame on you. byu leadership shame on you.
    As a U of U fan, I feel the same Urban, shame on you for talking out of both sides of your mouth.

  • Get it straight
    May 30, 2008 10:24 a.m.

    Oh, and I'll fully admit that chasing Chow off and hiring Crowton were two huge mistakes. Trying to hire Kyle was a mistake, but thankfully KWhit didn't make us pay for that one.

    Lookee there! A Cougar fan that admitted not one, not two, but three mistakes to you. And you were clamoring for anyTHING.

  • Commitment
    May 30, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    There is nothing hypocritical about Bronco wanting players who can keep commitments and Bronco supporting a player (or coach or student) who decides to change schools.

    People with half a brain can understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

  • JUST STOP
    May 30, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    BYU may have the best program in Utah but thats not an accomplishment

  • RE: Are We Naive?
    May 30, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    Good points. I have to believe that BYU probably explained to this (during recruitment) kid's parents that if he didn't enroll at UNLV before his mission and a spot was made available at BYU, his parents could contact BYU after a year into the mission. I would have done the same had I been Bronco but it leads to some "gray" area. I believe there is some gray areas in all college programs. BYU get more grief because they are supposed to be "above board" in all aspects. We're finding that BYU thletics isn't really a shining beacon when it comes to integrity. Football is simply entertainment and most entertainment is dirty. Bronco is simply playing the same dirty games (to get an edge) that all the other coaches play. If BYU didn't play the dirty games, they wouldn't play at the same caliber. That is a fact!

  • Cougar dreaming
    May 30, 2008 10:21 a.m.

    3 schools have made a BCS bowl from a non BCS conference.

    1) Utah
    2) Boise State
    3) Hawaii


  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 10:18 a.m.

    I respect what Coach Mendenhall has accomplished and done the program. If BYU was out recruiting missionaries while they were serving, I believe that the church leadership would put an end to that in a heartbeat. It's a different situation if the player or his family contact the school. They would be stupid not to look into the situations.

  • Re: Ute fans are A JOKE
    May 30, 2008 10:16 a.m.

    You can always tell a bandwagon fan when they don't know even their RECENT history. Since the inception of the MWC, the Utes have claimed 3 conference championships. The cougars have claimed 4. Probably another "cougar definition" of "dominance" (please ignore that the cougars have gone 4-5 against the Utes in that same time frame).

    I'm a UTE fan/alumnus that really couldn't care less who the Y recruits during an athlete's mission, nor how hypocritical Y coaches may be. Utes have known for years that the team down south has always been, and will always be, that way.

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 10:14 a.m.

    Life does go on after a mission. Missionaries have to decide what school they are going to go to when they come home even if they don't play football. They have their parents register them for classes or apply to a college if they haven't been attending there previously. Good grief people stop making a huge deal out of something that isn't a huge deal. Most missionaries can handle thinking about their future without disrupting their work. Some can't, but it isn't football recruiting that is the problem, but the missionaries attitude to begin with.

  • Jack
    May 30, 2008 10:12 a.m.

    Peace, peace be unto you...all you football fans in Utah, stop airing your displeasures and disappointments about others decision. Go to work, take care of your families and serve thy neighbours. Love one another and remember why the pioneers left and settles in Utah. Don't let others decision control your thoughts and action. Now I have to go to work and take care of my family because those young men decisions not going to put food on the table for me...much Alohas to the Utah fans......

  • Shadow?
    May 30, 2008 10:11 a.m.

    First, BYU is hypocritical. First they complain about Olson leaving mid-mission and say he didn't "honor" his word. A few years later, "the kid just changed his mind." Funny how the explaination for the change is different and completely moral when you are the benefactor.

    Second, no more BYU fans talking about how Utah is in the "shadow" of BYU, especially when they talk about the Vegas Bowl??? Fact is that all Bronco and the TDS can talk about is getting to a BCS bowl. Seeing how Utah has already done that...seems BYU is in Utah's shadow. ByU wants a unbeaten season??? Utah has done that too. Based on BYU's goals this upcoming year, it seems that they are looking to acheive what Utah has ALREADY achieved. Who's in whose shadow?????

  • Harman
    May 30, 2008 10:09 a.m.

    People need to realize that Dick is a columnist(like Dear Abby) and not a reporter. Reporters are supposed to report FACTS. Columnists give opinions. What seperates most columnists from Dick is that most of them use a little bit of the facts in arriving at their opinion. Dick has an opinion and then only uses the facts that may support that opinion.

  • Get it straight
    May 30, 2008 10:07 a.m.

    Bronco's recruiting quote stated he would not be selling his program to missionaries who had not sought him first. Coach Higgins should have told Coach Favero exactly that. Then, if Riley through his family initiated conctact, he could've then replied, "Sure, we're interested." The Riley situation did not pass Bronco's (not BYU's), but Bronco's personal policy. The Te'o situation passes with flying colors.

    Last signing day, Bronco stated he didn't want players who weren't fully committed to the BYU experience. Nothing in his statements prohibits a player from changing his mind and becoming fully committed to the BYU experience, as Nelson and Te'o have now done.

  • Apples and Oranges Bowls
    May 30, 2008 10:07 a.m.

    "Utah played in the Vegas Bowl."

    ...back when it was an also ran bowl, NOT the bowl for the conference champion

    BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl

    ...back when it WAS the bowl for the conference champion, but loooong before it became a BCS bowl or the BCS Championship bowl

  • Non-belivwe
    May 30, 2008 10:03 a.m.

    My peoblem is that Mendenhall if pretending to be something that he is not. He needs to down from his ivory tower.

    To Haters: LDS people are not better than anyone else We are not more righeous nor perfect. Where do you get off saying that. Obviously you don't pay any attention to the brethren when they talk. If you are a member of the LDS church you ought to be ashamed of that comment.

    Mendenhall needs to stopo claiming how righeous and perfect his program is and he is. He needs to tone down his reteric when he talks at firesides, press conferences and at church. BYU is the most hated football team in the conference.
    Wonder why????? Mendenhallhas a winning program. He does not have to answer to anyone. He can say and do what he wants. Now the losing coaches at BYU are on their way out.

  • Signs of Success
    May 30, 2008 10:01 a.m.

    Wow the bitterness against BYU is strong. It reminds me of the good old days when BYU was in the top 25 annually kicking everyone's behind. It is beginning to happen again and opponents are jealous because right now BYU is really good and getting better. On top of that they are doing it with kids with higher standards (not perfect, but better than the past). Opposing teams scream murder and unfairness every way they can.

    I can understand their pain though. Not too many years ago BYU was in alot of pain and it hurt to lose players to other programs in better shape at the time. It is good to see these signs of success. Even better to see good players that recognize it and want to play at BYU.

    Bronco was very carefull not to initiate contact with these kids. These kids (or their families) initiated contact with BYU because that is where they want to be. There isn't one coach in America that feels it is unethical to talk to a recruitable kid that comes to them and wants to play for their school. These bitter posts are just signs that BYU is again successful.

  • punter
    May 30, 2008 9:57 a.m.

    12 years ago I had my parents call BYU's special teams coach pel1a to see if I could punt for them after my mission, he wrote a letter to me offering me a scholarship. How come no one talked about me like this? I feel cheated! This has been going on forever and will continue to happen, I don't know why it is such an issue now.

  • Nice one Cougars
    May 30, 2008 9:56 a.m.

    As a Ute fan, I personally think it is great that BYU is poaching recruits from Utah State and UNLV. Two great years under Bronco has resulted in you stealing players from two of the worst college football teams in the country. Meanwhile, Utah has been poaching players from Oklahoma and USC!...........For the lame cougar fans saying that cougar fans don't comment on Utah articles, that is ridiculous and you know it. Just because you don't doesn't mean all of the other zoobies aren't.

  • BYU is a cut above
    May 30, 2008 9:55 a.m.

    As they came to us, they came of their own regard. We will not recruit players while they are on their missions. That's not our policy. But when they do contact us, we'll certainly listen."

    That's Awesome! Makes perfect sense. Bronco is a class act. He has already rebuilt a great program. Who wouldn't want to play for him? Of course he'll listen when players come calling on their own. And he doesn't have to listen to the naysayers, since he is following the criteria as quoted above, because that policy is fair and honorable to all involved.

    Sure, missionaries should focus on the missionary work first and foremost, but if decisions for their future come up which require current preparations in order to carry out future plans they should also attend to those preparations with haste. All missionaries make certain plans to return to life again, and those who say otherwise are the hypocrites. If you're of that group, BYU and its recruits hear your sad refrain, but why should they listen? If you could play for BYU instead of UNLV or USU or most Division I programs right now, you would be stupid not to choose BYU.

  • AzTim
    May 30, 2008 9:53 a.m.

    To Disappointed Cougar,
    Your well-known college athlete companion was distracting your missionary work because he was being recruited while you worked. The reason he would ask investigators what he should do "for months" was because no decision was made for months. Fact is Bronco did both missionaries, the missionary work, and the church a big favor by acting quickly and putting the football issues to bed once and for all, and allowing the missionaries to get back to their primary focus: preaching, not football. He could have said, "let's talk when you finish your mission," but then the missionaries would have stewed about the decision for the duration of their mission. Lay off the Bronc.

  • Different than Nelson
    May 30, 2008 9:45 a.m.

    I don't see any problem with this signing. He obviously initiated contact with BYU and hadn't even enrolled yet at UNLV. Nelson was a different matter. BYU intitated contact with Nelson via his High School coach while on his mission, breaking BYU's own recruiting policy.

  • Derek
    May 30, 2008 9:45 a.m.

    So, let me get this straight, the athlete's family contacts BYU's coaching staff about the possibility of a scholarship and that is somehow "bad" "prohibited" and "sleezy"? Come on, get a grip!

    I fail to see how this is any different than when I contacted BYU as a missionary about returnning to the school after my mission. I distinctly recall spending a P-Day filling out the application, etc. So long as Bronco isn't initiating the contact, I see no contradiction with his stated intentions not to actively recruit missionaries.

    Honestly, what is he supposed to do when they contact him, say "I'm sorry son, you'll have to wait until you step off the plane from "? Get real! The NCAA rules state that schools cannot contact missionaries until they've been in the field for 12 months. Bronco followed NCAA rules and his own stated policy of not recruiting but being willing to respond to inquiries.

    Stop making mountains out of molehills.

  • NCAA INFRACTION!
    May 30, 2008 9:44 a.m.

    Oh man, you losers are actually right! I mean you really caught Bronco red-handed this time. He professes to be something that he actually is not! I think we should fire him! Responding to a family of a player(s) that wants to come to BYU because they want to is freaking UNFORGIVEABLE! I wouldn't send my son or daughter to his fireside either. I mean who would want to listen to a hard-working, winning "hypocrite". I heard Charles Barkely is putting on a fireside. That's where my kid is going (well, I would go and listen to Chuckles too!) But seriously, Bronco is a scum! In fact, maybe the NCAA should step in and penalize the program for some sort of spiritual recruiting infraction.

  • Ute Fans are A JOKE
    May 30, 2008 9:44 a.m.

    I love how all you ute fans live to cry about the "team down south". BYU is and always will be better then you. What i cant figure out is what on earth do you guys have to be proud of up on the hill? You've had 1 good season in the history of your program and you think you are god's gift to football. I've never seen so much chest pounding for a club that has done nothing. 2 conference championships in how many years? You guys are the joke. Keep it up bronco. Quiet up ute fan. You guys are a disgrace to our state.

  • Are We Naive?
    May 30, 2008 9:43 a.m.

    How would the parents in Hawaii know to email BYU had nobody told them? Didn't it say that the kid had accepted an offer from UNLV. Surely nobody (that had ties to BYU) could have talked to the parents. BYU doesn't even recruit in the islands and surely they don't know any of the coaches in Hawaii either. The parents must have seen a vision to switch from the "evil" UNLV to the "righteous" BYU.

  • CanuckCougar
    May 30, 2008 9:42 a.m.

    I knew Mr. Olsen in his mission field. He regularly talked openly to anyone who would listen about his plans to bolt from BYU to a PAC 10 team. He had contact from those teams - yes - plural. Missionaries do and will continue to learn about what is happening in their world of sports.

    As for those on this comment board who want to "hang" Bronco for recruiting missionaries, learn to read, then learn to digest and finally understand the facts.

  • Please Humor Me
    May 30, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    I am wondering if there is even one BYU fan out there who will admit that Nelson was recruited by BYU. I am not saying that it was wrong or unethical. Just admit that it was done. None of us were there, but there is more proof that there was at least some recruiting on there side (statement from his father) than there is that he was anxiously recruiting them. It is not hard to admit one small thing. I will get the ball rolling on this. I think that USU has done an aweful job with their football program. I will admit that the onside kick by Kyle was a bonehead thing to do, and even worse than that was his defense of it after the game. There you go. Try admitting anything that your school or program has done wrong. I am looking for anyONE to admit anyTHING.

  • Dick
    May 30, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Hey Dick....Bronco's quote still a mystery?

  • "recruit"
    May 30, 2008 9:40 a.m.

    Bronco is not actively recruiting players, he's responding to their inquiries. He's not initiating the contact with missionaries so they can stay focused. Then when he does respond he sends one email and one letter with an offer. He's 100% keeping to his word.

    As far as Ben Olson is concerned, yes, we were bitter and upset. It hurts to lose a good player. Especially when he knows he's not coming back (my opinion is he knew when he left for his mission he wouldn't be coming back) and still announces he'll be back to BYU. What hurt even more is he announced it so late in the game it left us in a tight spot. Did he have every right to leave, you bet! And probably a good decision considering what was unknown about the program at that time. But does that mean fans can't be upset? Now is it hypocrisy to be giddy when someone de-commits from their program to join ours? Again, it's being a fan. Just like not liking it when someone scores on you and cheering when your team scores isn't hypocrisy, just riding the waves of the ups and downs of the team.

  • winning
    May 30, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    Bronco is showing winning is everything. Integrity, character, commitment and honesty come second. He should at least admit winning comes first and quit putting on a front that character comes first.

  • Re: Recruiting
    May 30, 2008 9:37 a.m.

    Yeah, and I'm an NFL coach, and I know more ---

    Come on, really - how old are you? No college coach is on a chat board setting the record straight.

  • another outsider
    May 30, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    Doesn't seem to be a lot of tolerance for anything with you mormons. I would think they should preach more kindness and humility from your sermons. A lot of you sure love to cast stones on this public site with beams in your eyes. It seems like the kids are deciding where to pursue their football and academic goals and following through in a timely manner in order to achieve them when they are done preaching. You guys just need to relax, there really is no harm here.

  • coach
    May 30, 2008 9:34 a.m.

    to recruiting: I have had three sons go through the recruiting head game and they all play some sort of game to try and keep there options open. It's a business!
    Missionaries have to make decisions about school when scholarships are on the line(academic or athletic)one of my sons did not get home until 4 days before school started- he had to make a choice.
    He changed schools because the out of state school he previously attended was upset at him for going on a mission but know a school that did not offer him before was interested and his brother was there.

    I had a former player that was a two time state MVP and got all sorts of contacts and letter until they found out how small he was. only 1 D1 program(not BYU) offered him and he took it. He had a very good freshman year went on a mission and during his mission decided to transfer to another D1 program(not BYU). Of course the first coach is very upset; he was the only one that gave the kid a chance. The young man had to do what he felt was best for him and his education.

  • What's worse?
    May 30, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    What's worse? BYU-Haters who read BYU football stories and responds to the comments as if anyone cares what you think?

    OR

    The same people who respond to their own response to act like others agree with them.

    Bottom line in all this controversy - Nobody cares what Ute Fan or any other BYU-HATER (LDS OR NOT) thinks about BYU and Bronco. This situation doesn't shame the school, the coach, nor the church. Last time I checked, I haven't seen MWC officials, NCAA officials, or ESPN running around calling this an outrage and shame and something has to be done.

    And Ute fan who wants to talk about history -- history recycles itself. During the Lavell era Utes where in BYU shadows, during the few Crowton years BYU was in Utes shadows. In the Bronco years - Utes are again in Cougs shadows --- don't worry, give it another twenty years and you might emerge for a few good years.

  • So. Cal Fan
    May 30, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    People stop getting all worked up about the school in provo. Come on does it really matter. If they win the Mountain Worst Conference they get to play in a bowl game that is played before Christmas against a 5th or 6th or even 7th place team from a much better conference that they might need to kick a last second field goal to beat. Wow big deal, if they need to break unwriten rules to do that and make them feel good so be it. Hey USU your better off if a guy like that wants to leave and go to the land of the Zormites!!! Fight ON, we look forward to beating up on Ben thanks for the punching bag. You know whats interesting no one really talks about how the church flew Ben to provo off his mission to get his operation on his mission. I know that happens to all missionaries, Right?
    See you guys in the National Championship Game or the Rose Bowl!!!

  • Committments
    May 30, 2008 9:33 a.m.

    After losing the highly recruited Kaveinga kid out of California to USC, Coach Mendenhall was quoted as saying, "Players that commit and then change their mind aren't really who I'm interested in here, I believe a committment is a committment, whether it's verbal or written." Interesting... does this sound hypocritical?

  • For what it's worth
    May 30, 2008 9:29 a.m.

    Illegal drug use is increasing, teen pregnancy rates are increasing, divorce rates are increasing, people are starving to death all over the globe, American citizens are giving their lives overseas, and all of you people are worried about/fighting over football. It seems perverse.
    In the grand scheme of things, there are so many more important things to be concerned with. Take a deep breath everybody. It's just football!

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 9:29 a.m.

    Once again the Utes are just trying to turn something good that happened to BYU into something bad. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!

  • BCS Buster?
    May 30, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    I'm a big BYU football fan myself, but I must admit, my gut is telling me that BYU is going to go into SLC this year undefeated and ranked near the top 10, and the game is going to be another classic rivalry game that goes down to the wire, but I think Utah will be the team that gets the big play at the end of the game this year that will close the door on the BCS to BYU and Utah fans are going to take pride in their victory for years to come. While I hope this isn't the case, I do feel in my gut this is going to happen and it will be a similar year to the 2001 season.

  • BSU fan...
    May 30, 2008 9:28 a.m.

    No one cares about your team--you are irrelevent, no matter how often your AD begs to be invited into the MWC.

    Good luck against Louisiana Tech next season.

  • this is awsome!
    May 30, 2008 9:26 a.m.

    Way to go Cougs! We'll take him and any other player who wants to play for us. Keep it up Bronco. We know (and so does the nation) that you are by far, easily, no questions asked, the best coach in the MWC, and people want to play for you. Go figure!

  • Recruiting
    May 30, 2008 9:26 a.m.

    I can tbelieve there is so much talk about who contacted whom first. That is all great but I am a college football coach and I can tell you where the contact initiates does not matter. True recruiting takes place when a scholarship is offered and BYU offered both a scholarship so therefore BYU did recruit these two athletes period.

    The moment both were offered scholarships they were recruited. In BYU defense nothing they did was illegal by way of NCAA rules. However the stance BYU has now taken I do not want to hear BYU fans or coaches whine in the future about their players being recruited while on their missions.

  • Disappointed Aggie
    May 30, 2008 9:25 a.m.

    This may lead to recruiting discrimination against Mormon boys who plan to serve missions for fear of a bad investment. The NCAA should allow these schools to set a return contract for any recruited athlete with an athletic scholarship who red shirts or plays one season prior to departing for a mission be required to return to that program (unless the head coach who recruited them has resigned or been fired). Every investment deserves some sort of insurance policy.

  • Re: Vai Sikahema
    May 30, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    Didn't you play at BYU?

  • Moral flexibility?
    May 30, 2008 9:23 a.m.

    BYU once again did nothing wrong. BYU is being held to a standard that doesn't exist.

    Here's a standard: Don't kick an onsides kick when up by 40.

    Have fun U fans pretending to be offended and preaching all these sermons to Y nation.

  • OutsideLookingIn
    May 30, 2008 9:10 a.m.

    It's amazing what "winning" can do for a program!

    Go Cougs!!!

  • Mike
    May 30, 2008 9:09 a.m.

    Go BYU! All of you who are wining about this can just keep your mouths shut!!

  • sob
    May 30, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    byu is gathering the 12 tribes

  • Hey Johnny Cash
    May 30, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    BSU isn't crying. They have owned you for years. While we're at it, Utah has been on the losing end of the rivalry for a couple of years, but you haven't exactly been dominating them in recent years. As for USU, well they are USU and probably crying.

    BYU struggled when Ricks became BYU Idaho and dropped football. Ricks was their farm team and the way they dealt with missionaries coming and going. Bronco has found one way to deal with the complexities of running a football program that has a majority of its players leaving for two years, he is recruiting missionaries away from other programs. I think it is sleazy and it will make it tougher for Mormon kids to be recruited to other college football programs. What I think doesn't really matter, just like the rest of you.

  • This is great!
    May 30, 2008 9:05 a.m.

    Sweeeet!!! Sorry little u fan, this is just killing you. And by the way what do care? UNLV should be posting not you. U fans are like rats, always sniffing around in garbage needing something to fill their little rat bellies. Boy your hate is strong. It's almost laughable to read the article and then read the posts. It like Y haters can't read newspapers. Funny stuff.

  • Bronco's Quote Still a Mystery??
    May 30, 2008 9:04 a.m.

    Hey Mr. Harmon. Making a scholarship offer is RECRUITING. He said and I quote form your article, "We will not recruit" while kids are on their missions.

    Spin it anyway you want.

  • It could be done
    May 30, 2008 9:03 a.m.

    Every situation is different. A missionary could deal with this issue and not let it affect their work. Some would let it consume them and make them less effective missionaries. I don't blame a kid for making plans for his future while on his mission, just don't let it interfere with what you are supposed to be doing.

    I think coach Mendenhall could make the offers, only after being contacted by the missionary and/or their family, but should encourage them to work hard etc. etc..

    Players transfer, it's no big deal. I just hope that Utah continues to recruit and land LDS kids. I also hope that every kid that goes to BYU, LDS or not, succeeds in life, but fails on the football field.

    I hope, for the sake of the conference, that BYU wins every non-conference game and then goes 0 for the conference.

  • Re: Timeline
    May 30, 2008 9:00 a.m.

    You are 100% correct, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the article.

  • Recruiting?
    May 30, 2008 8:59 a.m.

    Why are so many accusing Bronco of being the one recruiting this athlete on his mission. It appears to be the other way around in which the athlete was actually recruiting Bronco. If any shame should be put on someone, it should be on the athlete, for thinking about football, his future, and his education before coming home from his mission. Even I spent some time on a P-day to apply with BYU-Idaho while on my mission after being offered a scholarship through my president. Perhaps he decided he still wanted to play in Vegas, but only if it was the Vegas Bowl, something he would not get to do as a UNLV Rebel. Or, perhaps he also wanted to be in a different atmosphere when he got home, and not be where he would have to face casinos, big billboards of porn stars and every other temptation that surrounds UNLV's campus. Shame on him for pursuing a chance to go to BYU. What was Bronco and the BYU staff to do? Ignore the family's inquiry and refuse any consideration of the missionary's request? Would that make Bronco more honorable? Ignore and deny any missionary expressing interest in his program?

  • Re: Vai Sikahema
    May 30, 2008 8:57 a.m.

    You make some good points. BYU fans think that they are so hated by everyone because they are so good...but in reality, its not the fans that people hate it is the "holier than thou" attitude that many Y fans carry. Also, I think it is time to change the NCAA policy on missionaries, and have them lose a year of eligibility after transferring.

  • who cares
    May 30, 2008 8:56 a.m.

    these players have nothing to do with florida, USC, ohio state or LSU so WHO REALLY CARES the Y couldn't beat their practice squads.

  • Chuck Farley
    May 30, 2008 8:52 a.m.

    That sanctimonious, self-rigteous BYU has the audacity to improve their program. I am ouraged!!!!

  • banderson
    May 30, 2008 8:49 a.m.

    We sent four sons and a daughter on LDS missions. None of them had athletic scholarships but they all had need to arrange for life after their missions.

    For instance, I remember a discussion I had with an academic adviser at Ricks college regarding which math class I should register my son for as he had decided to major in computer science. He was in rural Brazil on his mission and needed help to register for classes.

    Playing football for BYU is a big deal. But life is a bigger deal. Which university you attend is a bigger deal. I attended BYU from small town Tennessee for the LDS environment, to select an LDS wife from the thousands of LDS girls, to prepare for my career -- in that order.

    I imagine many missionaries get into the mission environment, see the contrast between the spiritual focus of missionaries and the relative hedonistic focus of many students at many universities and wish the could transfer to the more spiritual focus of many at BYU. Some do transfer. Some play football.

    Relax. It's just a game.

  • So Cal
    May 30, 2008 8:47 a.m.

    Did BYU break any rules? No. The problem is that they want you to think that they live by a higher law and that they are so much better than anyone else. They still have problems with students getting in trouble and look the other way to get some of them into school. They need to remember that they are just like everyone else.

  • Realism
    May 30, 2008 8:47 a.m.

    Many of the comments (and taunts) made by faithful BYU fans are nothing more than idiotic. You people are unbelievable - short memories too.

    The rule allowing coaches to sign missionaries (or servicemen) while serving is wrong. If you can't see this - you have moral flexibility that runs contrary to your professed beliefs. Why would anyone be surprised that the NCAA - one of the most corrupt (or inept) entities in existence - allows this practice? If contacted by a missionary, Bronco's canned response should always be: "Go back to work; we can't consider anything until you are home." That's it.

    Consider this: I'm LDS, and my teenage son or daughter will never attend a Bronco fireside - even if it's held in my back yard. What would be the point?

  • Confused
    May 30, 2008 8:46 a.m.

    Football Mom,
    As a former missionary I can tell you that Missionaries when they get together talk about going to BYU and housing together "Have Mission House at BYU".

    My feeling is that is what was going on with both these kids. It is a very big deal on your mission to be able to say I am going to BYU.

    Nelson, his case was that Coach Higgins was talking to the Logan coach and the conversation turned to Nelson. The coach talked about if Nelson was interested. This was a simple conversation that turned into Nelson changing.

    Neither kid was "Recruited" while on his mission, to recruit would mean contact, which would mean that they emailed the boys. Trying to get them to change thier minds. Neither happened. One came out over causal conversation and the other came at the request of the family.

    So all you anti BYU people, stop looking for the slightest issue to bash BYU

  • re:dfarmer
    May 30, 2008 8:36 a.m.

    Good post, good insight. After what's been going on with Mendenhall and BYU, if I were a college football coach, I wouldn't give an LDS kid a serious look now if they were considering a mission. I would also suggest that the NCAA look into changing the rules to where even an rm has to sit a year or lose a year if they've signed a LOI before a mission and then transfer after a mission.

  • Vai Sikahema
    May 30, 2008 8:34 a.m.

    Here's the problem that Bronco's creating - BYU is getting commitments (regardless of whether BYU initiated contact or not) via a loophole only missionaries get. Outside of missionaries, other college players who want to transfer lose a year of eligibility. If this loophole didn't exist, do you really think these two young men would second-guess their commitments and forfeit a year of eligibility? Do this enough and burn enough schools and the university presidents will be lining up asking for the NCAA to change the rule.

    Speaking of commitments, didn't Bronco say he was only interested in players who were committed? Apparently in Bronco's eyes, commitments can be broken as long as the broken commitment doesn't hurt BYU.

    I'm not a BYU fan, but am an active Mormon who doesn't live along the Wasatch front. Not everyone hates BYU like you Y fans tend to think. However, it is safe to say that everyone does hate the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou attitude that so many in your fanbase exude.

  • TO RECUITING
    May 30, 2008 8:32 a.m.

    You are dead wrong blog breath! BYU wanted both Jensen and Teo. The problem was that they didn't have avaliable schlorships to offer. Get the facts straight before you spout off. Just another yewt blogging with no ryhme or reason. Go ahead and be a hater. And remember no matter how lousy a season BYU has the yewts will always be the ugly step sister, second best,second fiddle, second bannana, in the state of utah. Without divine intervention you will always be #2. Oh well you could be utah state.

  • football mom in CA
    May 30, 2008 8:28 a.m.

    I'm certainly not a BYU hater, but if UNLV or USU recruited missionaries off their missions, that would make the front page of the Deseret News. I served a mission and felt it a relief to be focused on the Lords' work and not my own future. There is a big double standard here. I'm thinking I don't want my kids to attend BYU even though here in California no one considers attending any other University. (Everyone feels like a failure if their kids "only" get into BYU Idaho).

  • Jonny Cash
    May 30, 2008 8:27 a.m.

    Jonny Cash said it best, im gonna Cry, Cry Cry. That is all I am hearing from Utah, USU and even a BSU fan. Keep crying boys as the Cougar program keeps rolling. I for one wont be surprised for the day when Bronco and BYU get every blue chip LDS kid. I would also be disappointed in both BYU and Bronco if they didn't try to recruit and get every good LDS kid, even if they are on a mission.

  • Who Cares...
    May 30, 2008 8:22 a.m.

    Who cares if he recruits guys on their missions...so does everybody else.
    What he SHOULD do is come out and say he mis-spoke when he claimed he would never do it. It's not like the LDS church ever changes their mind on something...:)

  • Cougar4Life
    May 30, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    To say that Bronco is a disgrace is wrong and classless. If a missionary wants to contact BYU during the course of his mission to see about playing football there, why is that BYU's bad? Bronco has returned the program to a clean, honorable program. Every program has problems and many kids in programs struggle to stay eligible. But make no mistake, Bronco is in no way a disgrace to BYU.

  • BBKing
    May 30, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    It must be months until football season begins. And since we only have Nancy-boy sports like basketball, hockey, soccer and ice skating to watch, we take our frustrations out on stories like this.

    None of this banter back and forth means a spit to me, other than football season is one hot summer away. Heaven help us all!

  • Outsider
    May 30, 2008 8:21 a.m.

    What is the reference to zoobies?

  • Ryan
    May 30, 2008 8:20 a.m.

    All I can say is this: It is so much more fun for Cougars fan when all the rivals hate your coach, ie Bronco haters; than when all the rivals love your coach, ie Crowton. It definately means the program is going in the right direction.

    I will only be upset when the Utes start singing Bronco's praises the way they did with Crowton.

  • Re: Timeline = Manti's Rise
    May 30, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    If you have the inside scoop, then how come you failed to mention in your timeline that BYU actually offered a scholarship or told the family they would a few months ago?

    This story was already broken by Dick or one of the DN staff months ago, it is only being made public again because the son finally recieved the news and made his decission.

  • Where does this family live now
    May 30, 2008 8:19 a.m.

    I am wondering where this family lives now-If the recruit graduatged from a high school in Hawaii-what is his brother doing at Timpview?? Just curious if this is another case of Timpview being a "Rick's" college for BYU. I am a BYU fan-but these recent developments are making me wonder what exactly is going on..

  • Re: Disappointed Cougar
    May 30, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    Yah - and I had three (really known college athletes) as mission companions, and yah they all were the same way. This recruiting thing distroyed them as missionaries, individuals, and their soles.

    To all you BYU-haters who say you reap what you sow.... I guess if after recruiting three mormon kids on missions (Hall, Bradley, and Jorgensen) produced two back to back 11-2 and top 15 seasons; then think what recruiting these two kids on their mission will bring.

  • To Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    Bronco can't comment. If he did, he would commit recruiting violations, maybe stripped of theses two boys, but most certainly be put on probation and stripped of scholarships.

    Please at least know the issue before making snide remarks. Oh, wait. This is the internet. No one is required to actually know anything before spewing.

  • Provo, BYU and the Bronco
    May 30, 2008 8:14 a.m.

    Bronco would never contact anyone on their mission, why of course not. BYU would also never recruit less than stellar athlete/students (in that order) to compete, not true, just look at Crowton. Now Bronco has thrown everyone another curveball and has taken to recruiting missionaries, very sad day for the LDS church. When the church and its BYU fans place football above church they have crossed the line. Bronco has chosen not to take the high road and instead of "hey, you are on a mission, stay focused and we will talk when you get back" he has taken the (whether he calls them or not) yeah I guess their LDS mission experience is not so important that it cant be distracted approach. BYU is a diminishing institution for these very reasons. The collegiate ranks look at BYU as nothing more than a group of close minded hypocrites, which is proving true. As BYU continues its downward spiral it will be interesting to see how long the "real" church center in SLC continues to allow gross disdain for the spiritual aspect of the LDS mission and instead allows BYU to turn it into a spectacle for Provo High-ENOUGH!!

  • Haters
    May 30, 2008 8:09 a.m.

    To all the haters:
    Yes, we are righteous. We are better. We do hold ourselves to higher standards. We are awesome, we know it and we know that you know it. Most importantly,we LOVE rubbing your faces in it. See you on the field this fall. Yeee-haaa!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad
    May 30, 2008 8:04 a.m.

    Can we please use our collective heads for something other than long-term storage of outdated vendettas? Think for a moment: how does a college football coach FIND a missionary to recruit him?

    Seems to me he's got to go first either through a parent or a mission president or both. Much more likely that the parent initiates the contact.

    Those of you who served missions, really, how much junk mail did you receive, unsolicited? Nobody talked with my son until I initiated the first contact on his behalf.

  • Re: To All Ute Fans
    May 30, 2008 8:03 a.m.

    Utah played in the Vegas Bowl. They beat USC that time. One of many bowl victories for Utah.

  • Bronco
    May 30, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    It's not what Bronco does that bothers us...it's his 'holier than thou' attitude about his righteous living that does.

  • Current BYU Loyalist
    May 30, 2008 8:01 a.m.

    I had the "privilege" of attending a small school on a football scholarship. I'd mention some of the things I saw happen there, but I doubt they could pass censorship. My experience at BYU was not like the previous one. I'm really tired of the BYU hypocrite baloney. Yes, BYU fans were upset when Ben Olson left. Is there another school anywhere that wouldn't have been upset to lose a top recruit? I think you BYU haters are pretty desperate when the best you can come up with is this. "Bronco recruited a missionary that expressed interest in his progrm." For shame!!!!! Intelligent people can look pretty stupid when it comes to blind hatred and prejudice. No BYU student or alumni expresses that they, the institution, or the football program is perfect. Most affiliated with the university at least try to be decent people. (p.s. Who isn't a hypocrite? We're all human.)

  • If any of you read the news!!
    May 30, 2008 8:00 a.m.

    If any of you BYU/Bronco haters read the news and keep up with what is going on.... This particular story broke months ago. In the first story, it talked about how the family contacted BYU and told them of their sons interest, and then how BYU sent the scholarship to the parents (not the missionary). At the time, the father had struggled with how and when to tell his son.

    This is not new news, and it only shows that Bronco was true to his word.

    All you BYU haters - Get over yourselves. This attempt to try and paint Bronco as an eval, unethical person is not going to work. Fans who say they are no longer fans because of this, we all no that you are an imposter anyway. NO BYU fan cares about what has happened, and no BYU fan is turning on Bronco.

  • recruiting
    May 30, 2008 7:58 a.m.

    Let's talk BYU...it was them that did not want Riley coming out of high school or Teo...but if you have you ever had a kid recruited by the coug's. First they tell you they are looking at someone else and if they don't sign we might have a scholorship..second if you are LDS they offer you a walk on with no money and the chance to earn one...then when you go some where else and do well..they start to talk to other people to see if you have an interest and have you tell them to have your kid call them because they can not contact them...we have been through it..luckily our child never changed schools, got a great education, made many friends and could look in the mirror the next day and say I made a decision and I will stick to it and the Y made a mistake and they can pay for it...so you parents and kids be ready for that speech..There is honor on both sides not just the Cougars.

  • Sheeps clothing?
    May 30, 2008 7:55 a.m.

    Do these posters think we are all stupid? How easy it is for a some one to CLAIM to be a RM/or disappointed cougar fan and snuggle up to the keyboard to create some entertainment.

    It would not surprise me if 20 or 30 LDS kids switched schools and transferred to BYU. Given the timeline and events over the past few years, I am sure lots of players are taking another look at the cougars. And why not, after all, they have raised the bar!!!

  • Anonymous
    May 30, 2008 7:55 a.m.

    Good thing Bronco has mom, dad and dick on the job to issue such carefully worded statements to protect his reputation.

  • Coach C -Red herring
    May 30, 2008 7:55 a.m.

    A Red Herring is used by lawyers, business moguls and ex-wives as a means to detract from the real issues at hand. While you chase one issue, the truth is distorted.

    These boards and sports talk radio, while at times fun, are full of posts and spats that move away from the real issues.

    1. BYU did not recruit either of these missionaries while on their missions.
    2. First contact was made by the student/athlete, not BYU.
    3. BYU and Bronco remain honorable, in spite of the sanctimonious rantings to the contrary.
    4. BYU will never do right in the eyes of its detractors who will always find fault.

  • Winning Is as Winning Does
    May 30, 2008 7:51 a.m.

    Isn't it great what consecutive winning program seasons will do for you! Great to see the Bronco bursting out of the chute. Bronco has really turned this program around, much to the chagrin of all naysayers. Just read the posts that precede and follow this one. You either love him or hate him. That is a sign the program is turning the corner. I say keep pressing the advantage. It would be great if BYU added that killer instinct to their "do the right things on and off the field" mantra. It all still comes down to a great deal of hard work and great conditioning, but if you stay focused and go after it, we could be seeing even greater times ahead for the Cougars. Go blue.

  • re:19yewt13
    May 30, 2008 7:50 a.m.

    You make an excellent point, the Vegas bowl is nowhere close to what we deserve, but we are stuck there for the time being. Regardless of where we are at, you guys are still in our shadow hoping to one day be in our spot, Vegas bowl and all.

  • Phillycoug
    May 30, 2008 7:46 a.m.

    Since my opinion is really only worth about the rest of yours, I'll share it anyway. Regardless of who talked to who first, and what Bronco said two or three years ago, the program is in the right direction again, I doubt that anyone can dispute that. All of you that don't like Bronco can stay that way, we don't really care. You talk about embarassment, but look at what we are complaining about now compared to five years ago with rape accusations, robberies, etc., etc., etc.

  • To all ute fans
    May 30, 2008 7:44 a.m.

    To all ute fans who disrepect the Vegas Bowl: If you were good enough to get to the vegas bowl, you'd be bragging about it instead of having to go to the also ran bowls that the utes always have to settle for or better yet have to hope they get invited to.

  • BSU fan
    May 30, 2008 7:39 a.m.

    To all you BYU fans, your self-righteousness if funny. You can't admit your program ever does anything unethical. Oh and one more thing, I don't think any of your rivals are scared about your recent UNLV and Aggie pickups. Can't wait to smack BYU around again.

  • Remember one thing
    May 30, 2008 7:33 a.m.

    There is one thing to remember here it is that the families contacted Bronco about thier son, and like any good coach he got thier permission to communicate with them while on thier mission. But I would be willing to bet that the two of them waited all of one week to make the choice to switch.

    So Utah and USU fans go cry in your corner, but remember Harline and Collie are still open.

  • dfarmer
    May 30, 2008 7:30 a.m.

    IF BYU keeps recruiting missionaries away from other schools, are non-LDS schools going to want to recruit LDS athletes?

    What coach is going to invest precious recruiting dollars on an athlete, knowing he may go on a mission and have the Y and his mission president recruit him.

    If this keeps up, every LDS athlete, regardless of desire to play for the "Y" is going to carry a stigma becasue of his religion and is going to find it hard to get recruited to other schools. And for those athletes who have no interest in the Y, its all the more sad, because even though they may never play for the Y, the fact that they are LDS may hurt their chance to play at another school, because coaches will assume LDS and BYU are synononomous and will pass the kid by.

  • Timeline = Manti's Rise
    May 30, 2008 7:25 a.m.

    It took a while for BYU to get back to Malosi, because this scholarship offer was given ONLY because of the relationship to MANTI.

    This is a TWO for ONE offer, with the hope that it is enticing enough to land Manti.

    And yes, I have an insiders scoop on this one.

  • I changed my mind
    May 30, 2008 7:25 a.m.

    while serving a mission too. I was going to go to Utah State with all of my friends. It's not an uncommon thing to do.

    I hope Bronco continues to allow missionaries who are good enough to have football scholarships, the opportunity to play for and attend BYU.

    For all those Ute fans and Aggie fans who need reasons to hate BYU, add this to the list. If it weren't this, you would surely find/invent something else.

    Keep whinning boys! Life is gooooood!!!!!

  • Hooray!
    May 30, 2008 7:19 a.m.

    I never thought I'd ever say this, but this was actually a good bit of reporting by Harmon. Thanks for clarifying what Call reported a while back and showing Bronco is not a hypocrite! These kids get on their missions, and for some, BYU happens to be the right place, and in Te'o's case, there finally was a scholarship.
    Whine all you want, Utah fans, but I am sure there will be some missionaries that want to come to your place too, that is, if BYU doesn't get them first!
    My condolences to USU in this whole matter. It must really stink to lose a native son to Provo, but that's life. Hope you get better somehow...

  • Hypocrites...
    May 30, 2008 7:18 a.m.

    Why is it so surprising to people that BYU's football coaches are any different than their counterparts?

    The only difference is that they pretend to have higher standards.

    Get over it people, and stop drinking the "we live by a higher standard" Kool-aid that the current coaching staff is providing.

    I see no problem with what the BYU coaches are doing. The only problem is the BYU fans that are delusional to think that they are, in some weird sense, angelic in their approach. Thankfully, many BYU fans are not this delusional.

  • Give me a break
    May 30, 2008 7:11 a.m.

    I really have to laugh at a lot of these comments. Is your life that dull that you have to worry about every little thing that goes on at BYU. Why does everything that happens at BYU have to be part of some ccnspiricy theory. Two people changed their minds. It happened, happens, and will happen in the future. Sometimes it will work the way it has this week and sometimes it will happened the opposite way. So take a deep breath and get over these idiotic conspiricy theories!!

  • committment and loyalty
    May 30, 2008 7:08 a.m.

    It is a good thing Bronco is teaching these young men to honor their committments. Why is BYU spending time recruiting missionaries? Shouldn't BYU let these young men spend their two years focused on service and not interfere by recruiting them.

  • just a word
    May 30, 2008 7:07 a.m.

    For Liberal Larry:

    There was nothing dishonorable about Ben Olsen leaving BYU for UCLA. I know the guy and he had every right to go where he believed was the best place for him. We do live in America where you are allowed to change your mind. Conversation ended.

  • Disappointed Cougar
    May 30, 2008 7:01 a.m.

    During my mission, my companion (a well known college athlete) was being recruited and it really interfered with our work. For months, that is all he talked about and thought about. Even with investigators, he would talk about his options and would ask them what he should do. The most important part of being on a mission is to preach the gospel, but this recruiting issue really interferes with that. The Y should know better. I am really disappointed.

  • G
    May 30, 2008 6:55 a.m.

    Look Larry, this has been rehashed several times, but a few distinguishing thing about what Olson did:

    He stated in the press that he was coming back to BYU. Nelson and Te'o made no such public promises.

    Olson waited until he was home to inform BYU of a decision that he and his family had made long before he was home. Now, I realize that Crowton's 'resigning' near the time of his arrival may have have had something to do with it, but by promising to come home all along, Olson left BYU high and dry to QBS. Nelson and Te'o are giving more than enough notice for USU and UNLV to recruit accordingly to fill the voids they're leaving in their positions.

  • NCAA Moral?
    May 30, 2008 6:53 a.m.

    There is nothing ethical or moral about the NCAA rules. Their rules are to protect their assets. They don't want their best football players snapped up by the pros. They also don't want to have to pay more than the paltry scholarships they offer. So, who cares if Bronco contacted the players first or whatever. The change in these players choices has more to do with BYU's great football season than what they are doing as missionaries. And if an individual can get a better deal at BYU, i.e. more exposure, more playing time, then they would be stupid to not jump at the opportunity.

  • No big deal
    May 30, 2008 6:48 a.m.

    This really isn't a big deal, this kid had zero ties to UNLV, unlike Riley at USU. The only part of the article I thought was strange was how careful the author was about explaining who made the initial contact. He was trying way too hard to make BYU look innocent. Give it up, we all know BYU is no different than any other school in the country.

  • Jim
    May 30, 2008 6:48 a.m.

    You people who find wrong in what has happened with these two athletes amaze me to no end. If BYU was losing, you would be paying no attention. In fact, you have paid no attention while missionaries, for many years now, have switched allegiances while on their mission. Many have NOT come back to BYU despite having signed to play in Provo. And some in the unknowing sports talk and sports writing world are sucked in to thinking something illegal has been done. You need to calm down, see the bigger picture, and recognize the truth. The truth is that, at the moment, BYU is a good place to be, especially for an LDS football player. In time, things will probably change as they always do. When they change, you can once again ignore reports of athletes changing their minds while serving a mission.

  • Re:Sour Grapes
    May 30, 2008 6:45 a.m.

    So because your daughter says she thinks Riley did the smart thing, it's all good. Strange brew!

  • Make no mistake
    May 30, 2008 6:39 a.m.

    The family said,

    "Make no mistake about it. They didn't come out and talk about it to us. We sent an innocent e-mail to them first and never expected a response at all. Now that this has happened, we feel very blessed he received an offer."

    See, this is not a made up quote made by specious fans of other football programs, this is an honest-to-goodness quote from the family. Complain, whine, moan, the kid (who is 19-20 years old) changed his mind. I wasn't happy when Olson left, but he made the decision based on what he felt was best. As does the program. How well your college football team does has no bearing on your eternal salvation.

  • David
    May 30, 2008 6:39 a.m.

    Bottom line-- If BYU had finsihed the last two seasons with 4-8 records, no one would notice,
    when these two kids changed thier minds. The
    controversy is a sure sign BYU is back on track

  • liberal Larry
    May 30, 2008 6:05 a.m.

    I seem to recall, a few years ago, when a certain, Ben Olson, jumped ship during his mission. It seems BYU fans where apoplectic, and couldn't believe how someone could "break his word" and not, at least, be cast out into the outer darkness. But now, such behavior, is seen as almost virtuous! Very interesting.

  • Cougar Pride
    May 30, 2008 5:13 a.m.

    Go Cougs!

  • 19ute13
    May 30, 2008 4:14 a.m.

    Top 20 team every year huh? How is that Vegas bowl treating you zoobies???

  • From Norway
    May 30, 2008 1:50 a.m.

    It appears fashionable to be skeptical to this whole recruiting thing. To everyone who thinks Mendenhall is pulling a fast one, I say shut up. The only facts you have are what's been reported. Besides, what is so strange about a good program attracting athletes? It's a good time to be a fan of BYU football again, but obviously it brings with it a healthy amount of venom and skepticism from the in-state rivals. Too bad! Deal with it!

  • YLoyalist....
    May 30, 2008 1:49 a.m.

    Let the Yewt whining begin!!!!


    Yes! I love the off seasons when BYU owns Utah.


    By the way there are very few Utah fans left. Only BYU haters...


  • Sour Grapes
    May 30, 2008 1:08 a.m.

    To FormerYloyalist...PLEASE! Now what are you..REALLY!!! And to Mormon AGGIE. My daughter goes to USU and she thinks Riley did the smart thing. What, a college career with one of the worst teams in the country maybe winning a few games a year in a very weak conference or play for a prennial top 20 team that gets national exposure. If you think there is even a slight comparison you'd better check what they putting in the ice cream these days. GO HUSKERS!

  • FormerYLoyalist? Yea, right
    May 30, 2008 1:02 a.m.

    More like: Bitter ute fan who has had a really bad two years.


    Glad to have another Teo in the field. That family may be the 2000's version of the Atuaia clan.

  • What?
    May 30, 2008 1:01 a.m.

    How does this "fiasco smell bad"? The only thing that smells bad around here is your assertion that you were once a "Y loyalist". If you bothered to read the article you would have noticed that it was the athlete and his parents that pursued BYU, not the other way around. Some people, regardless of facts, are intent on remaining in ignorance.

  • What came first ???
    May 30, 2008 1:01 a.m.

    BYU contacting missionaries or missionaries / family contacting BYU. It was evident with Nelsen and Malosi that their "camp" initiated contact first. Bronco has held to his word to leave missionaries alone unless contacted by them. Sorry utes and aggies - I know it hurts to see BYU win and now get second chances at recruits they may have missed the first time around, but you can't blame the Cougs -- anyone who is responsible for a program and winning would make the same decisions - totally within the rules and in compliance with the guidelines Bronco set up his first year as HC.
    Here's to Manti joining the Cougars next year and Levi after that!!!!!!

  • MormonAggie
    May 30, 2008 12:57 a.m.

    Totally agree with FormerYLoyalist. I never liked Bronco anyways, but this is downright scummy. He oughta just let the missionaries serve their purpose in the field. If other schools want to play the dirty game of recruiting missionarires, oh well, but Mendenhall is disgracing BYU each new day.

  • FormerYLoyalist
    May 30, 2008 12:51 a.m.

    The Riley Nelson fiasco smelled bad, this makes it smell worse. Notice the fishy made-for-the-press timeline and the timing of the press release. Is this supposed to make Bronco look good? NOT