Yes, and our tax dollars help pay for your education at your school (if you even
went to one, which I doubt).
Why have local teams with athletes from where ever? What happened to the days
where people represented there local schools. Look at Florida State and some of
the other power house schools. more than half of there players are from
anywhere but their own state. What is the point of that. It has actually
ruined college athletic programs. it should be local kids playing for local
schools. This would keep the money and corruption out to the games!!
USU fans- I'm sorry for your loss of Riley Nelson. If I were an Aggie fan I
would be upset too. Should LDS missionaries be recruited on their
missions? In an ideal world no.Should Riley Nelson be thinking about
football on his mission? In an ideal world no. Should LDS missionaries
think about their futures while on missions? Who doesn't?Is Bronco
Mendenhall the Great Sataan? (only to a few Aggie and Ute fans) Is BYU
fortunate to have Bronco Mendenhall? Absolutely. The guy is almost squeaky
clean Cougar fans. Don't abandon ship over nothing.
Riley was caught up in the missionary experience and that has definatly help
change his mind to want to play with his missionary buddies that are going to
BYU. he will get more exposure at by ZOO and so it's a good move for him. But
when he gets to the zoo and all of the zoobies are cussing and doing everything
that his aggie players did he will then realize that it is only about football.
To the zoobie zealots: whether byu wins or not it doesn't matter if you haven't
done your home teaching!! Good luck Riley, I hope the zoo let down is not too
great for you.
I am loving all of this! What is so wrong about these college athletes making
the decision to play at BYU? Nothing!! They have gone on their missions, and
they have realized that what BYU has to offer cannot be found anywhere else.
Plus, they get to play for a great coach, a great program, and for a great
university. It looks like the Cougars are re-loading and are going to continue
to dominate the MWC for years to come!! Ute fans, atleast you have gymnastics.
Yep your right, Bronco represents everything that is disgusting, evil,
reprehensible and just plain bad. What a creep he is, actually giving
scholarships to kids who want to play at BYU over Utah State doesnt get much
lower than that. Next you know he will keep encouraging young men to continue
to speak to youth groups, do service projects while on road trips, and represent
spiritual things, what a jerk.
Sometimes I wish i could get a tithing differal and send my tithing money to
college X instead of BYU.Crazy. But as a mormon I am supporting BYU
and I do not like the school much at all. But what do you do? So all you
zoobie fans that think you are soooo cool. Remember that not only is your
program subsidized by your boosters but it is also subsidized by all the
mormons. So you are not so holy as you think. your educations are in part paid
by me. But that is o.k. because you really need the help.
"Shadow - YES!! | 3:48 p.m. May 30, 2008 Lovin it. ByU fans can't seem to
admit that all of this upcoming season goals are ones that Utah already
accomplished."Actually these are the goals/hopes that every coach in
the land has every year whether they are from a BCS conference or not. They
just wouldn't be advertised or spoken about or get any press even if they were
talked about because it isn't realistic for every school. But when it becomes
realistic it will get press. When it means it would come at the cost of one of
those other schools similar goals (i.e. not all MWC teams can go undefeated) it
will be met with dissent or indignation.Do you think someone from
the BigTen, SEC, Acc, Big East, or Big 12, etc care about BYU's goal being
public. NO it won't matter to them because we don't have any games against
those conferences on the schedule.The only goal of significance on
the list we haven't already done at BYU is play in a BCS game, but as some
others have pointed out this is only a goal because the BCS exists because of
BYU's past success.
What is more distracting? Using some time on a couple P-Day's to
address after mission life like what school to attend/scholarship to accept.ORKnocking on doors answered by half naked women, drunks or
people that won't turn their TV's off of inappropriate shows bringing many many
worldly things right into their thoughts as they try to do their jobs.Unbelieveable that people would think a wholesome activity like preparing for
their future on a P-Day (P stands for preparation) would be taboo.
So based on comments/accusations by posters here we are to assume that Coach
Higgins specifically went to the HS coach for Riley and only Riley. Is it
possible that he was there for other athletes that are still in school and the
topic came up? Is it unrealistic to think the topic came up in an innocent
manner after all the rumors that went around in the Fall?I would
like to point out the timeline on Teo. His families inquiry to BYU was last
May, BYU's response/contact to him wasn't until January which happened to be the
point in time that he had been on his mission for a year (meeting NCAA
guidelines).Most teams already have names of who they are
recruiting/watching for 2009, 2010 and 2011. Some have even offered
scholarships for 2009 & 2010. So yes it is important for a missionary to have
these things decided up to a year before they leave their mission. If they do
not then they can be left out of the mix all together.
Please folks, some of you are making out recruiting of missionaries to be like
recruiting was of Johnny Walker in the 1988 film Johnny Be Good. I can assure
you that no used car salesman booster is flying missionaries off to parties with
scantilly clad cheer leaders. I'm relatively positive that there was not even a
face-to-face visit in these situations being debated.In articles a
few years back about recruiting the school stated that they do stay in contact
with (by some of your definitions that is recruiting) all BYU football players
on missions. Each month they send them a letter with a spiritual message as the
predominant part of the letter and encouraging thoughts on their service. They
also include a smaller portion with an update on the team. And I'm sure also
some language about their commitment to honor their scholarship when they
return. Likely a monthly form letter of sorts.I'm sure that
contact/recruiting with these non-BYU athletes was not much more except with an
offer at the end. I'm very doubtful that BYU's method of handling this is
anymore disruptive to a missionary than Mitt running for president questions
RE: mnhuskerIsn't a small time winning program better than a big
time "loser" program. Tell us how great the UN is when you win a conference
championship. (Oh for the good old days)
Um Shadow boy . . .BYU has had an undefeated season and a national
championship which caused a lot of fuss in the first place leading to the Bowl
Alliance (designed to keep BYU out) and eventually the BCS. Again
it was BYU who repeatedly challenged the rules meant to keep them out that
lowered the necessary ranking to the top 12 (2001) and eventually made it
possible for Utah to crack into the BCS, then BSU and Hawaii.So to
be clear, BYU's previous success (national champs) created the road block, that
others had to traverse in order to be crowned with accomplishing some
extraordinary feat. Playing in a BCS bowl game is only a big deal
because they created BCS games to keep mid majors out because of BYU. That
seems like a shadow to me that all other mid majors are still trying to over
come. Who would be more renowned/successful the first person to
scale the outside of an enormous skyscraper or the person who built the enormous
skycraper in the first place? I bet that skyscraper casts a mean shadow :-) and
a smart climber would like choose the shaded side of the building.
I guess I'm naive, but I really thought that BYU respected the values of the
church that owns them. As a former missionary I am very disappointed Bronco
would have these Elders focus on stuff outside the mission. For all those who
say that it is just part of recruiting, I guess standards aren't important to
this University. I wonder why people think we are hypocrites?
What!!!!Bronco offered a scholarship to a Missionary? Call the
National Guard!!!! Cats and dogs living together!!!! The Church isn't
true!!!!I don't know what's funnier, the irrelevant story about a
simple recruit changing his mind, or the incredible backlash against BYU and the
Church on these message boards.
These stories are funny, absolutely 100% un-newsworthy about a recruit who
changed his mind (he may not even make it at BYU) and we now are pushing 300
comments. Gotta love the Utah/BYU rivalry. I would throw USU in there, but
their team is absolutely putrid. p.s. I love the comments about how
people are offended to the point of losing their faith (or membership) because
of insignificant actions of the BYU football program. Also, I had my
parents help me apply for college and housing while I was on my mission; how
evil of me thinking of my future!!!! (sarcasm)
It sounds to me you know something about the Teo's no one else does? I too am
from American Fork and also know the Teo's they're good people. But all I can
remember were players trying to leave Coach Knights program. The mediocrity of
our team probably have you and me and the rest of American Fork fooled thinking
we are a legitimate feeder program for D1 programs. Oh wait we did sign a D1
prospect last year...oh wait, he transferred from Lone Peak...hmmm your personal
evaluation of talent has no merit. Let's wait until we consistently can produce
D1 athletes year in and year out!GO UTES BABY!!!!!
I am glad to hear that Dick Harmon wasn't able to find any Bronco quote saying
he wouldn't recruit missionaries that have committed to other schools. I feel
so much better. The real tragedy is that a missionary is wasting his precious
time dealing with non-missionary issues. This whole thing should have waited
until he returned. A mission president shouldn't be a recruiting agent. That
is plain wrong. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. What's black
is black and what's white is white, unless it's navy blue, or is that the
darkest shade of royal blue.
I'm a DIEHARD BYU fan and I see there are 296 comments about a freshman
transferring from UNLV to BYU?? I know the Y is gaining national prominence but
how many of these comments are from BYU haters in general and Mormon haters in
To all of you who don't like BYU for whatever reason, I have a suggestion, don't
go there! Go to the U. or U. where anything goes! You can see and hear what
"goes" there an most any game at R.E stadium. On the other hand, if you enjoy
the "clean air" of BYU campus the honor code is no problem, in fact it is quite
liberating! For those of you who define being liberated in another way, by all
means go somewhere else and make room for a few more of the thousands who would
LOVE to go to BYU!
I consider being back as winning conference championships and going to bowl
games again. As for the losses I won't mention UNLV, oops. We all know transfers
happen and when one or more goes the way for the cougar haters lets see what is
said. I bet it won't be as big of a deal as this was.
When Ben Olson left BYU, I said,'more power to him.' He thought UCLA was his
vehicle to the pros. I did not blame him one bit. No sour grapes here. Let
the new RM's come to BYU if they want.
Isn't it interesting how critics can only see the negative. Perhaps it is
because they can't imagine someone actually having integrity. Is it possible
that these things actually happened as the family stated? Or is it simply a
function that we can't believe it would happen that way because we can't live
our own lives with that much integrity? It's called projection. We project our
own behaviors onto others simply because we need to believe we aren't personally
As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I have some real
concerns about the level of arrogance BYU Athletics breeds. Not necessarily in
their players but in their fans. Reading some of these comments just elevates
It depends on what you consider "Being Back" is. Losing to Tulsa, spliting with
UCLA a team that coulndn't beat a bad Notre Dame team. Ya your back alright. I
guess we all are going to have to deal with it.
Wow the cougars must be BACK! 2 or 3 years ago and this is not a story. Amazing
what winning does.The next story will be from the national media, there usual
story of how the cougars have an unfair advantage by having older players on
their team. Yes the cougars are back!! So like we were told when Ben Olsen left
and other players left the program. Just deal with it!
If you want people to take you seriously you can't use the word
As big as a BYU Cougar football fan that I am, it is disappointing to read that
this young man, while supposively serving a full time mission, felt the need to
take care of secular issues such as playing football. Was there a reason why it
couldn't wait until he was released? Where was the father's counsel to be
"immersed" in serving the Lord 100%? Why didn't the mission president
intervened? If I were BYU's head football coach, I would have replied with a
simple e-mail, "Forget about yourself and get to work!" Sounds familiar?
Score another one for BIFF!!!
well, that's nice. thanks all of you for contributing your knowledgelessness on
this whole matter. it's about time these LDS athletes started realizing that if
you are going to play in the MWC (a NON-original six BCS conference) and you can
keep the BYU standards then BYU really is the best place for you to succeed both
on and off the field both now and in the future. there have been far too many
student athletes on the football team that have left for "greener" pastures in
the past and failed. few have succeeded. i am happy for Bronco and his staff.
they have set the bar and BYU had some setbacks early on but the last few
seasons have been great for the school and program.
This is nothing new for the Te'o's. Meloise played at American Fork Soph. year.
He went to Kahuku for his Jr year, then came back to AF for his Senior year.
However, only played one game then went back to Hawaii. I'm not really
surprised that he he switched schools. But I am surprised that BYU has given him
a scholarship. I don't think he'll ever play that much. Similar to a Wayne Latu.
Good, but just a back up.
FYI: University students transfer! Hundreds leave BYU/UU/USU and eveb"BSU",
every year to attend other schools. Students at other schools transfer by the
thousands "every year." Should every student who begins at any school be
required to stay....? I just find all of this unfortunate discussion,
"interesting?" We have children who have attended BYU,USU, UofU, SUU, & UNLV.
Athletes are no different. Things don't work out one place, so you move-on. It
would be interesting to see the number of people commenting who attended only
one university, or if they even attended at all. Too much bitterness and self
righteousness in our lives.....sort of sad.
Good to hear. Good for cougars.But how many other coaches get
permission from a player's missionary president to contact them?
I wasn't mad when Olsen left for UCLA and I'm not elated to have these recruits.
I just want BYU to keep beating Utah year after year after year. A BCS bowl
win would be extra - something those darn Utes still have on me.
Nice job trying to promote your "BLOG" as a credible, non-biased opinion.
Anyone who is tricked into reading like I was, will see no professionalism. My
suggestion to you is to increase your vocabulary, and write more professionaly.
No professional uses words like "crap" "idiots".
I don't care about all this football stuff, USU got Craig Jessop, that's huge
and speaks volumes of the people at BYU.
I attended both schools, If being safer in a jail cell is what you call safe,
I'm with you BYU is the place you need to go. If using your brain and having the
freedom to make choices as you will in everyday life is what your looking for,
the "U" is what you want.
Ya sure , you've never been a Utah fan. Have the guts to admit your zoobie if
your a zoobie.
Don't act so smug, BYU fans were doing the same thing to Ben Olsen as Utah State
fans are doing to Riley. Trying to change history is an art form in Utah, but
don't try it with sports fans.
Like everyone who ever played football at BYU had great pro careers and lived
happily ever after. UCLA has there share of great pro players and college
players that loved the experiance. The way the progream was going at BYU at the
time, I don't blame Ben for going to UCLA. The same argument for Riley going to
Read Ryan Comer article from Bleache report.Here's a guy with a
little non-bias perspecttive.Basically what does he
say.......................?Shut-up to the cry babies at State and
Yewtah and anyone who has a problem with the riley Matter or the kid named
Te'o.There is nothing bad or fishy or illegal.It just
spells it out for all the world to see just all the crapolla that the haters are
beating the bushes with.BYU just got a little better at least on
face they did. Nelson has made no contribution to anyone at least for the time
being.The rest of college football, especially the media is
beginning to see the haters for what they are...Haters and Cry
Babies. One day the wind may blow the other way and BYU may end up on the short
end and the Haters and Cry babies will have 15 seconds in the sun, and revive
the Hate Thing all over again.No one complained when BYU was losing
as Comer pointed out. Comer recognizes tha BYU is on the way back and how sad
but truthful, but correct nonetheless the world of college football see's the
haters foras they are.....................
The missionary factor is huge when it comes to recruiting at the Y and at the U.
All other schools get their recruits in and functioning as a team. With the Y
and U, they may play a year or not at all and then be gone for 2 years. During
the 2 years their work may tend to lean them to the Y. (Not in Olsen's case,
must be a devil worshipper...oh yeah he went to UCLA not Arizona State or Duke).
In any case it gives them extra time and an opportunity to change their
plans...it's normal. Hey coaches do it, why not players. This
situation also looks like a 'family affair' thing. Plus situations change for
the team also...injuries, change of programs and coaches. Even if a player
doesn't go on a church mission, they can still leave a program. BYU involvement
is probably very close to the envelope so they need to be careful. Mayber the
mission presidents will have to also have training in athletic protocol and
regulations, as not to cross the line. Life is too short to be an Aggie or
Rebel. Anyway...Go Buckeyes!!!
Let's just remember we are talking BYU football here, not a big-time football
As much as I like to criticize BYU. I don't see anything wrong with this. All
the players were on their missions over a year. BYU broke no recruiting rules.
Missionaries are permitted to apply to colleges on their mission. As a Ute and
Buckeye fan I don't see anything wrong with this, because down the road we'll be
able to get some of those guys away from BYU when their program is down. It
all runs in cycles its BYU's up cycle. It won't last forever.
I've seen several references to Ben Olsen. His experience at UCLA has been a
big bust. I'm wondering if he has any second thoughts. He went to UCLA with
stars in his eyes but I think they've all blinked out by now. I'll bet he
wishes he would have stayed at BYU because the NFL ain't gunna come calling for
him with all his injuries and dubious statistics...isn't it funny how dreams
never seem to quite live up to realities?
Bronco said he would listen when contacted by the families of missionaries, and
BYU fans are sure glad that he's both a rational and spiritual coach at the same
time (besides being the best football coach in the Mountain West Conference).
Contrast that to the other two college football coaches in the state of Utah,
both of which look to be fired in the next year or so.
Why count the chicks if the eggs are not hatched.How do you know these
players will succeed at BYU.Olsen was rate high in high school but seems
to be inconsistent in college.Maybe this player are a bust to BYU so
don'tlets comment if they start hurting your program.Go
I'm glad T'eo transfered to BYU. Now maybe UNLV won't beat us so bad.
I wish I could still root for Utah but I am so embarrassed by some of the Utah
fans I can't root for them any more. Reading these posts reminds me why.
Hopefully UVU will get a team so I can root for them.
Can't believe those comments about dissappointment in BYU. No one was in the
wrong. One missionary is happy and his dream has come true. For anyone who
thinks that missionaries shouldn't think about anything else but the work is an
idiot. Nothing wrong with working out this situation before he gets home
because if he waits until then he will be too late. All these negative comments
are really stupid.
Wow, nearly 300 comments on two stories where no one really knows what happened.
Bronco is a great coach, but anyone with anti-BYU venom will never see that,
but only criticize every chance they get, as is evidenced by comments on this
article. BYU is the team to beat! I love the attention BYU is
getting! Go Alma Mater!Oh, no one wants to seriously go to a school
where the team is going nowhere.
What is wrong with most of you?
Is it more distracting to know what you will be doing with your life or not
The family contacted BYU, BYU waited the appropiratae 12 months as sanctioned by
the NCAA to offer a scholarship, and Broncos left it up to the kid's Mission
President how to break the news. Missionaries have news from home that is
distraacting given to them all the time. I'm the sure the Elder was/is excited
and I'm really sure he was quickly back doing the Lord's work. Calm down some of
you and get a grip.
Just hope we can still somebody away from Utah Now and make it a trifecta. That
would be sweet.
The last post is right. I went to "the big ugly world" aka the U of U before my
mission. I changed my mind on my mission and went to BYU. No, I didn't play
sports in college, but I wanted a better atmosphere, and got it in Provo.
I would feel much more comfortable if my children attended the University of
Utah. They would be better prepared to live in this big ugly world we live in
because they will have experienced it and seen what it has to offer good and
bad. Because according to you all life is perfect in provo
In spite of any controversy about NCAA rules, who contacted who, etc, etc, etc,
things like this are NOT going to go well for the missionary program. Coaches
from other schools WILL be more hesitant to having their players go on missions
at all. NOT a good thing for the Church (and by extension, BYU)
Fact: BYU has played 17 bowl opponents with a Top 25 ranking, while Utah has
played only 4 ranked teams. Expressed as a ratio, more than 2/3 of BYU's bowl
opponents have been ranked, while only 1/3 of Utah's bowl opponents have been
ranked.So the next time your friendly neighborhood yewt runs his
mouth about yewtah's fabulous bowl record, tell him that you'd be impressed if
they had played some good teams.
Reading just a sampling of the comments has me frightened to consider that I
drive on the same streets and vote from the same candidate pool with most of
you. It is inane and pointless to act like anybody here understands what
I think President Monson got his MBA at BYU.
I am amazed at some of the idiotic comments here.1. There's nothing
unethical going on here. The family said they contacted BYU first. Even if
they didn't, is there an NCAA rule that says you can't recruit an LDS
missionary? Surely not. So the question is, did the BYU coach violate
UNIVERSITY policy? According to the family, NO.2. Yes, there is
certainly hypocracy among BYU fans with respect to this situation versus
Olsen's. So what? Who cares what individual fans think? The university simply
moved on. And it is winning without Olsen.3. I am amazed at how
vitriolic some of these comments are. Accusations of self-righteousness,
dishonesty, blah, blah, blah. You see only what you wish to see. Most normal
impartial people outside the state of Utah would simply laugh at you.
Talk about getting both barrels! As both a USU and UNLV fan, I ask why you
would want to keep players in your program who don't want to be there? If they
both would rather play for BYU and your football program and staff isn't strong
enough to hold them, then let them go and move on. Can't wait to see the August
matchup between USU and UNLV...probably wind up a tie.
Would you feel safer if your children attended BYU or Utah?Think
I remember 15 years ago when Shawn Bradley announced while still on his mission
that he would be turning pro and not returning to BYU following his mission.Lee Benson, a D-News sports writer at the time, howled over Bradley
making such a decision while still serving a mission. "Shouldn't his mind be on
missionary work" - or words to that effect.I guess that thinking
only applies when a missionary is thinking about doing something that seems
detrimental to BYU.
All those of you whining and wailing and gnashing your teeth alleging that
Bronco is a hypocrite and is evil for "recruiting" players while they are on
missions should at least have the intellectual honesty to define what you mean
by recruiting so as to make the argument meaningful. If by "recruiting" you
mean ANY contact with BYU athletics with the actively serving missionary, then
perhaps you have an argument. I suspect that what Bronco meant, and which makes
eminent sense, is that neither he nor anyone acting for BYU would make any
initial contact with a serving missionary. That then would mean that Bronco is
NOT recruiting, because the story is clear that the initial contact was made by
the missionary or his family. If you BYU/Bronco haters don't know what I am
talking about or are too blind to see the difference, then you probably attended
a school that failed to teach you critical thinking skills. The "U" perhaps?
Would you all like some cheese with your whine?
on this message board??? This story has nothing to do with them- ZERO. It seems
they care more about what happens at BYU than their own school. It's very sad
and weird. Have you noticed that BYU fans don't post comments on Ute stories???
It's because we just don't care.
It's always easy to justify questionable tactics, mock opposing fans who feel
they've been had, and inexplicably gloat about an undefeated season before
you've played one game when you've had a couple of good years against subpar
competition.I've heard and can't agree more with some of the
comments about hypocritical BYU fans. Putting a Cougar logo above a urinal and
referring to the cougs as "that team down South," aren't tactics against any
rules either, but you seem to have plenty of issues with both. Go
ahead and glory in the 1-star recruits you took from other programs. Go ahead
and predict your undefeated season before one football has entered the air.
We'll see you on the field in November; Big House challenged and cloaked in a
sea of red.
Concerning "Re: A good laugh" -- if it's so easy to have a winning record in
less-than-respectable bowl games how in the world do you explain LaVell's
embarrassing bowl record? [Best explanation is he didn't really care that
much about bowl games, viewed them more as a fun diversion -- but still, for
heaven's sake]LaVell's teams never went to a "respectable" bowl
game and, bless his heart, his biggest win came against a disinterested Michigan
team that finished the year 6-6. But, what about loss after loss to
teams like Indiana?
GIVE IT UP!!!!Fact: Nelson expressed interest in coming to BYU long
before any BYU coach discussed any interest in him.In fact, I
learned it from the USU fans, that Nelson had interest in BYU, long before BYU
ever approached Nelson. Now USU fans are suddenly saying it was the other way
around. Who are the hypocrites? What a flip-flop. You all knew he was
interested in BYU and may end up there. Why so shocked? Many of you predicted
this would happen and it was all over your paper. His interest is well within
BYU's criteria to then approach him with and let him know of equal interest.
You lose, like always. You'd think you would get used to it already
and quit making fools of yourselves. Isn't it just adding insult to injury for
BYU to say what you are claiming, that BYU is better at recruiting than USU?
That's true to, but if you think Bronco actively recruited Nelson, then you
really are revealing how pathetic USU's idea of recruiting methods are. No
wonder you guys stink so bad.
I hope it will be that other teams will not recruit LDS players. That would mean
a competetive advantage especially as the church gets larger. For all of you
eating sour grapes my comment to you is WAHHHHHHH. This happens all the time.
Get over it, you win some you lose some. If I remember right we had a commitment
this year for a four star lineman that switched to Utah. I was OK with the
switch, obviously he prefered Utah over BYU but there are a lot of LDS players
that love BYU as well.
Hey Sterling73:I don't think your comment below is the type of thing
college students are looking for - loooool."I'm talking about very
subtley reminding them of the spiritual atmosphere at BYU."
BYU never admits to doing anything wrong, but we forget who broke this story,
Dick Harmon!! Dick Harmon folks, the biggest BYU appologists in the history of
BYU sports. How much credibility can we lend to this story?? If Bronco really
beleived in the Missionary program he would tell these kids to concentrate on
their missions and let the pieces fall when they get back. They're not
committed to the Aggies or Rebels when they get back. But, then again Bronco
doesn't beleive in the Missionary program!! This is hypocritical!!
I don't really think that Bronco was unethical in what happened with these
players on their missions. The unethical part is absolutely hosing James Lark,
the quarterback he signed in the exact same class, who spent a season in the
program, and is currently on a mission. Did Bronco let him know that he brought
in another quarterback that could take his spot. According to all of you zoobs,
He needs to consider his future, just like every other missionary.
I would make it a practice to contact every single D-1 quality recruit that ever
served a mission. If I were Bronco, I would begin the recruitment of every
prospect that ever got away (e.g. Kaveinga, Havili, etc.) over again the minute
they stepped into the mission field. Other colleges try to cherry pick our guys
while they serve, there's no reason we shouldn't be exploiting the advantage
that we wouuld naturally have with full time missionaries.I'm not
talking about harassing/distracting these kids...I'm talking about a word here,
and a word there. I'm talking about very subtley reminding them of the spiritual
atmosphere at BYU. I think it would be crazy not to utilize whatever
advantage we have to make us more competitive with the USC's and Oregon's of the
Didn't UNLV beat the Utes? I guess by BYU poaching him from UNLV, BYU is
actually caring for their brothren up North. Maybe you'll be able to stop UNLV
If it is not "recruiting" a player on their mission what is it called when BYU
Football staff signs a player who is already on a mission?It is like
saying "I didn't steal the car stereo I only took it off the guy's hands who
stole it for a small fee. I don't think it is necessarily wrong but
if Mendenhall said he wouldn't do it then he has gone back on his statement. Personally I think He should have never said he wouldn't recruit and
should've foreseen this problem.But all things considered it really
is the choice of the player to decide what he wants to do and they have the
constitutional right do do whatever they want as long as it is within NCAA
rules.Being a Ute fan I would prefer that my son play for BYU over
USU or UNLV or New Mexico or Wyoming or CSU etc...
Wow, what's Utah football and Ute fan got to live for? You've already achieved
everything you want, a BCS game. I guess BYU should have given up
like Utes after their first WAC/MWC title, wait maybe after thier first Holiday
Bowl game, wait maybe after their first Fiesta Bowl, oh wait maybe after their
first National Championship...I guess it is true, BYU should be more
like Utah and be satisfied with a concellation game. Cougar fans are selfish,
they have already gotten all there is for College Football. Come on BYU - Why
do you need more, why shut for another National Championship, why poach other
players.... why even exist.
So what if BYU's goals are something Utah has accomplished? What are Utah's
goals this year? Apparently not to win the National Champtionship. Apparently
not even to go back to the BCS. The fact that BYU can set realistic
goals to at least make it to the BCS, and have that as a legitimate possibility
says something. It's better to aim high and come up short than to
aim low. You'll never get there aiming low. So go ahead and bask
in your 1 good year. Go ahead and look down on us poor zoobs that have high
expecations for our team. At least we have more than 1 good year to hang our
Under your logic only the last 10 years of bowl games matter? So anything
before the last ten years (pre-current BCS) are irrelevent and don't matter.Let's look at bowl games:Tah:FiestaSunLibertyCopperFreedomVegasPoinsettaEmarldArmed ForcesBYU:Fiesta Holiday Citrus (now
Cotton Bowl) Cotton Bowl Tangerine (now Capital One) All-American Freedom Liberty Aloha CopperMotor
City Vegas And according to your counterparts the only reason
the Utes got to go to a "BCS" bowl was because of "BYU", after all, it was
because of BYU that the BCS was created right? (According to Ute Fans).
1)BYU gets high school coach to call Nelson's dad - RECRUITING2) Te'o dad e mails BYU asking if they have interest- NOT RECRUITING3) Both are legal under NCAA rules 4) Bronco said he wouldn't ever
recruit a missionary and he did (NELSON)
Ute postings prove they are as passionate about BYU football as the BYU fans.
However, it seems two faced that Utah fans continue to attack BYU on this and
other things when they themselves have had their own problems with ethics and
more, such as when Utah Basketball got in trouble with the NCAA just a couple
years ago (and Utah fans keep calling BYU fans hypocrits.. go figure). Utah fans
bashing BYU over these two recruits are very hypocritical. They are looking for
reasons to bash BYU, regardless of whether it is deserved or not. Of course BYU
has its problems too, but how these two recruits came to BYU is not one of them.
Bronco handled it the right way. Give Bronco the respect he
deserves. He is a class act, followed every NCAA rule, and was sensitive to the
athlete, family and mission. That is head & shoulders above what other coaches
have done when they have lured BYU recruits away to other porgrams in the past.
Bronco is bringing back the BYU winning tradition and many kids are
going to want to come to BYU. This is the true reason why Utah fans are mad.
Hey 'BYU Dorks', byu's dorkiness which is known nation wide is not worth
discussing or arguing we are all aware.Why are we discussing who is
better in the nfl BYU or Utah? Why would anyone care? On that note Utah and
Weber have sent more players to the NFL this decade in football and basketball,
lool Weeber!What is important I guess is that we enjoy these
comments making fun of byu and watching them try and defend their 'almight
school' as they think of it. Making fun of byu is just too easy...And no more talk about grassy knolls I'd rather not know about what goes on
down their in happy valley...let me guess they stole that nickname from Penn
State. As we saw that byu is known for stealing things from USU and other
To Utah Man SirNational ChampionBYU- 1Utah -
ha ha as ifBoise - keep the dream alive or at least a different turf.
RE: Shadow - Yes!I'll admit it, BYU wants to go to the BCS game.
There, you happy now? So what? Don't act like Utah is the only team who has
busted the BCS. In fact, they aren't even the best non-BCS team to play in a
BCS bowl. That honor belongs to Boise State. So a more accurate statement
would be: We're aspiring to do what BSU has already accomplished. There's no
shame in that.However, belittling the Y's accomplishments (Heisman,
Doak Walker, Outland, Davey O'Brien, National Champion) will do nothing to
enhance the yewes reputation as a second-tier school in a second-tier conference
(yes, I can admit our conference stinks too).Side note: Last I
checked UNLV guys really know how to put a hurtin' on the yewe, as do the Cougs
so... good move, Malosi. Either way you would've beaten the yewts.Another side note: Close, I love the Jazz too but BYU football is just that
popular. In fact, it's the most popular team in the state, hands down.Last thing: What yewt articles? No one cares, so no news...
Didn't Utah beat Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl, the same team that BYU beat in
the opening game of their national championship season?Instead of
worrying about BYU's goals for this season, maybe Utah fans should woory more
about their own team's goals.Utah hasn't accomplished squat this
season and from all appearances, their ONLY goal for the upcoming season is
beating BYU in November.A National Championship will always mean
more than an also ran BCS Win.
FormerYLoyalist, 12:51 a.m. May 30, 2008 says:"The Riley Nelson
fiasco smelled bad, this makes it smell worse. Notice the fishy
made-for-the-press timeline and the timing of the press release. Is this
supposed to make Bronco look good? NOT"Fishy timeline? Don't be
stupid. The writer obviously realized that with the Nelson thing, that was the
huge question left up in the air - who contacted who first? Is there some BYU
conspiracy? Is Bronco lying? Is he poaching missionaries and violating rules?So, obviously, with the next article, the writer (like any half-decent
journalist) says, uh, how did this one develop? Let's get more of the story up
front to avoid the questions later. And then he includes the timeline in his
article in an attempt to show research and full disclosure.But you
want to see something bad. You want Bronco to be a liar. So, you see in it what
you want.This whole thing is so stupid.Of course BYU is
going to respond to inquiries from missionaries (and their families). They don't
hunt them, they just respond. To ignore them would be rude and foolish and hurt
the university and its programs.
BYU really wants Manti!! Suddenly a schollie becomes avail?
"CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND BEAT YOU 50-12"Congrats on beating
probably the worst BYU team in the last 40 years.Which proves
exactly... what???Crowton is gone, Mendenhall is here.You're invited back to Provo anytime.
Once again the ignorance of non-byu fans is amazing. They jump on the band
wagon and call Bronco out like he is from cell block C at the Utah State Prison.
How dumb can you people be?? We have a program right now that is on the rise,
these kids want to be a part of it. Winning is contagious. We have a great
program here. Bronco once again was contacted by the parents first and has done
nothing unethical here. Utah State and UNLV stink right now. What would you
seriously do? Stay to have 4 loseing seasons or go with a proven winner? COME ON
GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND!
TRIPS TO A BCS BOWL:UTAH-1BOISE ST-1BYU-0UNTIL YOU GET TO A BCS GAME, KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT
As a Utah grad, I'm not fully aware of the BYU culture, so hopefully someone can
educate me. Do BYU coeds really go on dates and eat dinners on the grassy knoll
between the two lanes of traffic??? I just had a girl BYU grad tell me that she
had 2 (yes, TWO) dates where this happened. This ALONE confirms the
dorkiness of BYU fans. BYU breeds hypocrites (see: Bronco). Look
no further than the guy sitting across from me last Utah vs. BYU game at Lavell
Stadium who was extremely nice to me the whole game until Utah took the lead. A
complete jerk (not to mention dork) for the few minutes that Utah had the lead.
Afterwords, couldn't say enough about how great Utah was. Hypocrites!!!Lastly, this kid is good enough for special teams play and no more.
Anyone that commits to play for UNLV in their current state obviously didn't
have many other options....with reason!!
Last I checked, the NFL and the NCAA were two separate entities.Fans
who think that a great college player has to have a great pro career in order to
validate his college career are just plain and simple, idiots.Different teams, different leagues, different playing conditions.Apples and Oranges comparisons are meaningless.Who is better? John Wooden or Phil JacksonMichael Jordan or Tiger WoodsThe
Fighting Irish or The Pittsburgh SteelersTy Detmer won the Heisman
TrophyAlex Smith finished a distant fourth
And don't get me started on Alex Smith. Let's not talk about how successful NFL
success relates to college success.
Lovin it. ByU fans can't seem to admit that all of this upcoming season goals
are ones that Utah already accomplished. I don't care about Heisman...not a
goal for Utah. I don't care about National Championship...not a goal for Utah
(or any MWC team since its unachievable). I thought the ByU education was
better than this. Listen to my point....BYU'S GOALS FOR THIS SEASON ARE ONES
THAT the UNIVERSITY OF UTAH has already Accomplished!!! Congrats on aspiring to
be where Utah has been!!On a side note, why does anyone care about a
dude that was a UNLV guy. Maybe if he was transfering from USC, but UNLV???
This kid will be a special teams player...big deal!!Another side
note, so many comments here means that the Jazz are out of the playoffs and
there's nothing to do in SLC!!Last thing, all you ByU complaints
about Utes posts on ByU stories, go look at the Utah articles and you'll see
even more of the opposite
If we go by your standards - then the 2004 season is irrelevent, Bronco was head
coach then. So by your standards, neither BYU nor Utah has gone undefeated.
You can cherry pick your years all you want, but if the 2004 season
stands, then 1984 season stands. If we want to talk about current seasons, then
let us look at the last three years when both current coaches took over the
programs and had their control.
RE: Timeline = Manti's riseUm, duh! Who wouldn't do everything
within their power to get Manti Te'o (the best player in the country at his
position) to come to their school? Too bad the other schools didn't think of it
first. In the business world don't they call that being "progressive?" The
Cougs would be foolish not to help their cause by signing Malosi. Wait, is
doing so a violation? Should we call the Honor Code office for that one? Or
maybe the Council of the Twelve since they're the school's trustees? Y haters,
get over it!BYU accomplishments:Let's compare apples to
apples: Detmer won the Heisman in COLLEGE. He threw 7 interceptions in one
game in the NFL. Big difference there, bub. But it you want to go there we
can. How great did Alex Smith look at Utah? Pretty good, I'd say. Now, how
does he look like in the pros? Not so much. Is that a fair enough comparison
The reason you didn't hear it any more is because the rest of the country
doesn't enjoy kicking a program when they are down (unlike the BYU fans).
I appreciate your stories and honesty (maybe). That is pretty funny. I know
that not all students at BYU are dorks. It is good to at least have some sort of
sense of humor. To GO COUGS-Awesome comment. Truly
hilarious. The mens volleyball thing is classic. Thanks for the pick me up in
the day full of people who apparently cannot read, or who are not aware of or
heard the interview with Nelson's dad.
1 - lets add Steve Young to the list, oh wait, we can add Jim McMahon too. So
here is the question?How many NFL Hall of Famers does BYU have, and
Utah?2 - As for the bowl record. It's easy to have winning records
in less then respectable bowl games. How many of those wins came in the Holiday
Bowl and other New Years Day Bowl games? Aside from the Fiesta Bowl (oh wait
wasn't their competition that year also an 8-4 team?) which major bowl victories
is Utah hanging their hats on?
"Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex Smith"No
need to pretend:QB Rating of 74.7 > 63.5Player
DetmerSmithGames Played5332QB Rating74.763.5Completions546435Attempts946800Pass Percent57.754.4Pass
I agree - Bronco went against his policy with "Jensen".I disagree -
Bronco didn't go against his policy with "Nelson".
The real issue is that Nelson's coach contacted a BYU recruiter, according to
Riley's dad.The second real issue is this -- who's Jensen?
When BYU's football is not winning, no one pays much attention to any of this.
But when BYU starts to win, all of the sudden there are lots of articles about
how unfair it is that BYU can send players on missions. My favorite was one by
Rick Reilley a few years ago about what a HUGE advantage BYU had with all of the
returned missionaries. Yet when the team posted several years of
losing records, all of that stopped. Did the advantage suddenly go away?The reality is that allowing players to go on missions is very difficult
to manage as a coach and recruiter. If it was such an advantage then why don't
all the schools from big conferences send their players away to the Peace Corps
for 2 years? They could still come back just like LDS returned missionaries.
Please stop with they Heisman winner. NEED I REMIND YOU COUGAR FANS THAT TY
DETMER THREW 7, YES 7, THAT IS 7 INTERCEIPTIONS IN ONE GAME IN THE NFL.
BSU fans are cracking me up with the WAC is so much better than the MWC. Didn't
New Mexico spank Nevada 24 to 0 in their bowl game. I also remember just a few
months ago the Idaho Statesman ran an article quoting BSU coach Peterson saying
that BSU would accept an offer to play in the MWC if one were ever offered.
Needless to say Carl Benson was not too happy about those comments. If the MWC
ever offers BSU a spot they will take it in New York minute! Also Hawaii did
not do the WAC or the MWC any favors by getting spanked by Georgia in a total
I wonder how many of the same people that are pounding their fists and adamantly
demanding that these missionaries be left to focus 100% of every minute of every
day on the their missionary responsibilities and absolutely cannot in anyway be
distracted by any school back home are the same former missionaries who on their
own missions used to spend their time sleeping in, loitering for five hours at
eating appointments, and finding excuses to go shopping instead of tracting! (I apologize for the run-on sentence, but all rules of grammar, decorum,
and sensibility seem to fly out the window when posting on a forum!)
It is funny that this has become such an issue the past few days. Missionaries
changing their minds and coming to BYU is not new. Nobody was complaining a few
years ago when Max Hall (ASU), Garrett Reden (UNLV), & Jan Jorgensen (Utah)all
came to BYU post mission. These are the kids you should be complaining about
because they have actually contributed to the Y's football revival. I know the
reason nobody complained then, because the Y wasn't very good back then and
nobody seemed to care. Now that we are winning everybody has a problem with
these kids coming to BYU. Ute fans had no problem with Isley Filiaga when he
decided to attend Utah instead of BYU a couple of years ago. Utah State fans
had no problem with Brian Soi ending up in Logan (even though it was not because
he didn't want to go to BYU). BYU will get some kids post mission and will lose
some post mission (Olson, Stratton, Hill, Filiaga), the point is kids want to be
associated with winning programs. The Y just finished up with two very
successful seasons and the LDS talent around the country is taking notice.
"SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO HATE!"???Ute fans would lose their
identity if they didn't have BYU fans to whom they could compare themselves.btw,There's still time to enroll in that English 99R
Hey RM Cougar, is playing for byu a calling? Some of your fans seem to think so.
Gotta love being from one of the state schools. USU, Utah, Weber,
SUU, UVSC on one side all teaming up and hating on byu and pointing out their
lameness that they ignore.The only downside is most of these byu
fans never even went to school there. Or if they applied byu would shread their
applications before they could even get to the parking lot.
Objective fan:"BYU fans get over yourselves, this isn't about blind
jealousy on the part of Ute and Aggie fans. From a Ute fans perspective why
would they be jealous that you're pulling in two marginal recruits whose future
impact on the team is as mysterious as the BYU coaches silence on this whole
issue? "Why? Why are you and other Utes here posting pretty
inflammatory rhetoric? For some reason, you and others seem to care desperately
I was on a mission to Europe and had a companion at the time who had redshirted
his freshman year at BYU. Elder 3-Star Defensive Back used to get all sorts of
stuff in the mail from schools trying to recruit him on his mission. One PAC-10
school even coincidentally happened to have a coach over in Europe on vacation
who just wanted to "drop by and introduce himself." This happens all
over. Why is this such a big deal?
Please, who really cares? Are we so starved for sports in the summer that we
will allow ourselves to get all riled up over recruiting practices of a football
team from a mid-major conference, when the practices in question are allowed
under current NCAA rules?I love how everyone seems to have "sources"
that know who initiated contact with whom, or who said what. We know what has
been reported and BYU cannot comment on the specifcs yet. Lets all calm down and
wait until all the facts come out over time before hastily making accusations
and judgements, or better yet ... MOVE ON!
You are confused??? Bronco said he would never recruit a kid on a mission.
Bronco's assistant sends word through Nelson's high school coach to Nelson's
parents that BYU is interested. THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF RECRUITING.The kid from Hawaii via UNLV was NOT recruited. HIS PARENTS CALLED BRONCO
without an assistant putting word out of BYU's interest.SIMPLE AS
No integrity:"The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does
another. Obviously, all BYU and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful.
So much for your higher standards and being different. "Of course we
are about winning. Aren't you? Look, I wouldn't give a fig for someone who
doesn't play sports and life to win. Where is the high standard in aiming
lower? How different is it to be as mediocre as possible? Everyone should aim
to be the best they can be, and not be ashamed if they are blessed with success.
I find it very interesting that BYU can come up with a scholorship after they
realized he was related to a blue chip linebacker. All you U fans need to
remember this is "ZION" the "Lords School". We would never ever do anything that
would violate NCAA policy signedBYU Mens Volleyball
Hmmmmm, BYU in Utah's shadow?When was the last time Utah won a national
championship?....Oh, right NEVER!When was the last time a Ute player won
the Heisman?NEVER!Seems Utah is still in the Y's shadow.
It was pretty clear that Y coaches initiated contact with Nelson through his
coach, from Nelson's dad's comments. Nothing wrong with that except the
hypocrisy. Why can't Y fans admit Bronconi is like everyone else
when it comes to recruiting. He uses his advantage and playing the religion
card in his advantage. His "higher standards" are just for the consumption of
those he is recruiting, but not for his staff.I'm going to laugh
when Manti goes to USC and you are stuck with his lesser cousins and your plan
to land the big fish.
I'll give you 1922 to 1963, Utah was mediocre, and BYU barely fielded a team.But since the formation of the WAC in 1964:OverallBYU
348-168-3 (67%)Utah 264-233-3 (53%)head-to-head (BYU 28, Utah 16)WACBYU 279-127-3 (68%) 19 WAC; 1 National championshipUtah
192-197-3 (49%) 2 WAC championshipshead-to-head (BYU 24, Utah 11)MWCBYU 69-41 (63%) 4 MWC championshipsUtah 72-36 (67%) 3 MWC
championshipshead-to-head (BYU 4, Utah 5)Bottom line, Utah has
become more competitive and, thanks to Urban Meyer's 2 great season, and Gary
Crowtons 3 terrible seasons, Utah has a slightly better record, but fewer
conference championships than BYU since the formation of MWC. Even
so, Utah's much improved record (67%) over the last 9 years is the same as BYU's
record (67%) for the past 45 years.The trend, however, starting with
Mendenhall and Whittingham, is going in BYU's favor. If Utah doesn't want to
fall back into the shadow again, they're going to have to pick up the pace.
While I was on my mission, Jacob de Jager spoke to us and I still remember him
telling us, "Just as you have to prepare to come on a mission, you have to
prepare to come home." He said that we needed to put our affairs in order, so
we could concentrate on the work. That's all these two young men are doing.
I have to admit I am loving this. I am trying really hard to keep myself from
laughing myself to tears. I've gone through dozens of these passionate
indignation speeches about the "indignity and gall" of returning missionaries
from other schools switching from other schools to go to BYU. I still don't
understand what specifically BYU did that has BYU antifans (they love to hate
BYU) indignant. That said, there are few things in this world more satisfying
than BYU success right to the face of a BYU antifan with a chip on his shoulder.
WHY DO LITTLE COUGS ALWAYS SAY "YOUR NOT UTE FANS, BUT BYU HATERS"?? THIS
PUZZLES ME BECAUSE ON DAY THERE WILL BE NO BYU ATHLETIC PROGRAM. IT'S TOO BIG OF
A SCARE ON THE CHURCH! SO SOON THERE WILL BE NOTHING TO HATE! I AM A UTE AND
WILL BE TIL I DIE!
I think it's time that BYU goes to a BCS bowl game. Maybe this will be the
Yes because if someone disagrees with a BYU fan then they are automatically
assumed to be a childishly labeled "yewt" right?Listen, I never said
its wrong to seek out educational/athletic opportunities while on the mission, I
just asked if it's necessary with a year left when most missionaries are just
barely getting comfortable with their new surroundings. I agree with the
assertion that many college athletes on a mission have a small window of
opportunity to receive a scholarship to a school of their choice. But I also
agree that it could have a negative impact on the focus of some of these
missionaries.For any of us to pretend, though, that we know how
these recruiting efforts (on both sides) impact these kids on their missions is
ludicrous. It may be trivial to a kid's focus, but it could also be detrimental.
The latter is why I tend to question the ethics.
Hey dfarmer, do other schools not recruit Catholic athletes just because Notre
Dame, Boston College and some others recruit them? Schools will recruit the
best athletes they can get their mitts on, regardless of religion.
All of the NCAA Championships titles are debatable since there is has never been
a NCAA Championship Football Game! BYU 1 Yewts Zip!
Im sorry but Alex Smith is a worthless qb in the NFL. He is a system qb that
was good in college and wont do anything in the NFL. So you can "pretend" that
49ers got their money's worth with him.
UTE FANS AND OTHERS WHO THINK BRONCO IS A HYPOCIT!Please show me one piece
of evidence that Bronco recruited these two young men?Please tell
me:Did Bronco send them a letter (before the family contacted him)?Did he send out his Assitant coaches to the families to persuade them to
have the kid change his mind?Did he offer a scholorship to these
young men BEFORE they contacted him?Nelson - Higgens was talking to
the Logan Coach in a causul conversation and mentioned that BYU was interested.
It was the Logan coach that did the recruitingRecruiting?
Borderline, not recruiting in the general sense of the wordTeo -
This is all the family and young man decision.They contacted Bronco, WHO
WAITED UNTIL THE LEGAL TIME TO MAKE CONTACT to email the PARENTS (still no
contact with player). This wait was something like a year, the kid must have
been wondering why the whole time.Recruiting - NO! no way, no sense
, no how
RE: Please Humor me Ok Ok maybe BYU recruited Riley Nelson on his mission.
Here are some other imperfections which may amuse you.When Gifford Nielson
broke his leg in the 1970"s against Oregon I was so upset I didn't go to church
the next day. (God had abandoned us)I used to think a BYU win was a win
for the church.When a student at BYU, I wouldn't confess red was my
favorite color.One of my BYU football roommates drank beer. I refused to
turn him in for honor code violations. Karma came back to bite me. One evening
my date asked if she could see where I lived. When we entered my apartment it
was empty, but 10 empty beer bottles had been left surrounding the kitchen
table. It was my first and last date with her.
The LDS institution of BYU says one thing, and does another. Obviously, all BYU
and the LDS church care about is winning. Pitiful. So much for your higher
standards and being different.
'To:passionate about BYU', bragging about a masters from byu is very impressive.
how did u stand living in provo for the 2 yrs it took to get the
degree that alone impresses me.
BYU is healthy to go to yet another VEGAS bowl. Go cougars!! Live the dream and
show up 5 minutes before kickoff and boo every time there is a call, even though
it was clear.
I agree with 'BSU fan', byu is a joke. byu still thinks the mtn west is better
than the wac. hasnt the wac champ played in the bcs bowls the last
couple yrs.imagine if byu was in a bcs bowl - lolI guess
they did win a national title in 1984. And they totally deserved it, not many
teams could barely beat a 6-6 Michigan that finished 5 place in the big ten. I still dont understand why barry switzer of Oklahoma was mad byu was
the national champion football team?
Passionate isn't showing up to a game 2 minutes before kickoff. YOu want college
football passion go move to the south where they tailgate all day of the game.
LALAL HEY HEY WHO CARES!! Who is this guy freakin LT or
Reggie Bush? Just like Nelson is a 5'10 Tim Tebow or something? Guys who cares,
these aren't big time players or recruits. Let them go play at BYU or whatever.
Guys are making such a big deal about kids you don't even know. My proof there
are 4 pages of ridicoulis comments.
BSU is now considered what BYU used to be years ago, they now put fear in the
eyes of BYU players and fans.
The worst NCAA chanpionship in football. So bad the BCS was born because of it.
BYU barely beat a 4th place Michigan team to win the title. All you BYU people
complianing about the BCS, it was because of BYU it was created.
Typical COUGIE fans....always pointing to 1984 to a VERY debatable national
championship. True, all you TDS followers have all of these past accolades to
point to. I'm not debating that. The only thing that is not debatable is that
Bronco and his TDS followers have stated that their goals this year is an
"undefeated season" and a "BCS Bowl" birth. So based on those comments....UTAH
has ALREADY accomplished BYU's goals only a few years ago. Keep dreaming about
what its like being Utah in 2004 Cougars....maybe Broco should have all the
players lay in the grass and watch 2004 Ute highlight films so they can better
imagine what they need to aspire to.
please define "enery" for me. I have a Masters degree from BYU and don't ever
remember that word.
BYU DON'T EVEN TALK SMACK UNTIL YOU CAN BEAT US. WE CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE AND
BEAT YOU 50-12!!!!!!!!!!
So what you are saying is that the brothers belong at American Fork?? Then what
is the other one doing at Timpview???? This seems to be a case of parents who
have learned how to bend the rules in their favor.. First the UHSAA and now
Wow, I think the BYU haters are as passionate about BYU football as the BYU fans
are. Do they spend this much enery towards other teams they hate?Best sign yet that BYU football is healthy>
Having a good laugh here about the "whose in whose" shawdow re: BYU and Utah
football. There is that brilliant group who says "only the last two
years matter and we Cougars know how we've dominated those games -- so get a
life (Collie and Harline . . .)". Then, there is the "'history'
matters -- but only if we define it the way I want it defined and that's the
LaVell era" group. Then, there is the "we won a National
Championship and you didn't -- so, neenerneenerneener" bunch. Oh,
and don't forget the "we won all those conference championships" group. Pretend the all-time record in the rivalry isn't BYU-30 wins Utah-49
wins.Pretend the record over the last 10 or 20 years isn't just
about even.Pretend that the bowl game record of all those conference
champions isn't embarrassing.Pretend that going undefeated in 1984
is way better than going undefeated in 2005 since no other team went undefeated
in 1984.Pretend that Ty Detmer is a much better player than Alex
Smith (I'd put Steve Young's name in here if I were you, oh -- but wait he
didn't win a Heisman either). Pretend, pretend, pretend.
"is it really necessary to have college plans set in stone while you still have
a year left on the mission?"YES< YES< and YES, it is
REALLY NECESSARY...if you want to play for a major college football
program.For most athletes, there is only a very small window of
opportunity. If you wait too long, that window of opportunity may be closed.EVERY school has a limited number of scholarships and has to divy them
up to cover ALL positions and ALL years. If an athlete, who isn't
already on the list of scholarship players, intends to play for a certain
school, he needs to get his name on the list as soon as possible so that the
school can make plans to include him, otherwise, there may not be an available
scholarship or open position for him to fill.
Dick has finally found the quote - "We will not recruit players while they are
on their missions. That is not our policy. But when they do contact us, we'll
certainly listen."According to Riley Nelson's dad BYU contacted
Riley's parents through his high school coach.Accroding to Te'os dad
the parents contacted BYU.Conclusion- Jensen was recruited, Te'o was
not. Bronco went against his policy with Jensen, with the policy with Te'o.The End
The Vegas bowl is treating us just fine, considering it is the bowl the
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS go to. Don't you wish you could get there?
Good work: quality recruit, abide by the rules. Go Cougars.
Good players want to go to good programs. Two years ago (when these guys were
getting recruited) who've thought that BYU would have back to back 11-2 seasons?
BYU is the BCS busting darling of this preseason (whether they deserve it or
not). That's one of the tough parts of college sports. When a team
starts doing well, people that play at slumping schools jump ship and join the
successful team (for a chance at a little more publicity and professional
prospect). The good get better while the not so good try to find a way to cope.
This was BYUs situation just four short years ago (w/Ben Olson)Maybe
players shouldn't be allowed to switch schools once they've made a decision to
sign with one team. Does that idea work better for everyone out there
complaining about these recent moves? No, wait...I've got an even better idea.
For every time a player decides to transfer to another school, the NCAA should
remove one of their fingers. That would make some players think twice about
changing their loyalties.Plus, these players weren't really
recruited by BYU
With recruiting on the rise and an excellent coaching staff, BYU is on track to
not only bust the BCS this year, they'll be listed as a BCS buster for years to
come. Winning and doing it the right way recruits excellent LDS athletes not
only in HS but others(currently serving missions who've signed with other
schools before) because their heart strings have been touched. I believe they
often receive divine intervention while in the field to make the best possible
decision on their future. As Collie said, While doing your best and doing the
right things on and off the field, the Lord steps in and does the rest. BYU is
the right place for most LDS athletes if not all. Sometimes they don't realize
until on their missions but that's okay. BRONCO AND STAFF HAVE NEVER INITIATED
CONTACT WITH REGARDS TO STEALING LDS ATHLETES AWAY FROM OTHER SCHOOLS. THEY WERE
INBOUNDS ON THEIR APPROACH. THE MISSIONARIES AND THEIR FAMILIES MADE THE FIRST
MOVE. I'll I can say now is we welcome you Manti and Levi and the rest that may
follow. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!!
It's obvious that Bronco KEEPS the recruiting rules and RESPECTS missionaries
and their families. The program is set up wonderfully. Missions help mature boys
into men, and it becomes easier to see a full picture, make clearer decisions
without regret. It shouldn't get ute/aggies mad at all...if anything they should
be excited, because they get to play BYU and compete. Signed, Craig Thompson
Who are you referring to as he? I think in this story you are right, but it is
still apparent in the Nelson case that BYU contacted his family and him. So
findng a new thing to take shots at is a great idea, but if you read the
interview with his father with any kind of objectivity, the case is pretty much
closed on who initiated contact. Coaches called the family. The "casual"
conversation with the high school coach is pretty irrelevant.
The past weeks events don't look good for anyone. It doesn't look good for
Riley, his family, or his mission president. It doesn't look good for the USU
coaches because they lost an All-American. But it doesn't look good for BYU and
their "believe to be" high standards. I am sorry to see Riley leave Logan where
he would be respected, but I am disappointed in BYU. I guess no college player
is safe in Utah unless they play for BYU.
I agree, why are Ute fans making such a big deal over this. They are bashing BYU
by the hoards.Regarding the ethics, what is wrong with a recruitable
kid or their family contacting a school to find out if they can play for that
school? What is wrong with a coach (keeping NCAA rules)responding to such a kid,
even if they are on a mission? If it is wrong, why does every other school do
this, and most schools even cross that line and initiate contact with kids to
recruit them to their program? BYU has been very careful not to cross that line.
Other schools have no problem initiating contact. So, why are Utes and the BYU
haters making such a bid deal? The only think I can come up with is their hatred
for BYU and the fact that they can't stand that BYU is good and getting better.
Objective fan??? Hardly.
The BYU fans' (and that certainly includes Dick Harmon) best argument in all of
this is that no rules were broken and BYU did just what all other schools do.
Ergo, what's the big deal?The big deal, of course, is that some
people, check that, many people, expect something just a little better from a
Universtiy who has as its Board of Trustees the Quorum of the Twelve. Truth is, and nothing could demonstrate it much better than the string of
comments above, BYU fans are just like other fans -- their fanatics. They care
more about their perception of what it means to have a "great" football program
than they do about having, for example, a broken heart and contrite spirit. That's OK -- except for when they pretend it isn't so. Then, it's their
behavior, much more than anything done by their coach or players, that really
makes them what they are.
To those of you who think Bronco and his staff was proactive in contacting
Milosi Teo you don't know what's going on! A little background info... Milosi played at American Fork until he could see that the coaches
didn't have a full appreciation for his talents so he went to Kahuku. The coaching staff at American Fork has the mentality of sharing the load for
running the ball even though one may be clearly better and should get most of
the carries. I know because my son was a player there and he knows Milosi.
Because Milosi didn't get the carries and the attention from Universities he
should have @ AF-he went to Kahuku.Kahuku didn't necessarily receive
Milosi with open arms and they made him play behind someone else since that
player had been there. But with his talent he finally got noticed later in the
season there and he got the playing time he deserved.BYU didn't give
him the time of day until his parents came knocking! He's definitely worth the
scholarship but under the circumstances didn't get noticed until his family made
the contact. He's coming to the school he always wanted to play for!!
I remember reading or hearing that the UCLA coach wrote Ben Olson every week on
his mission. The uproar of all of this is mainly due to the fact
that BYU has a winning program that these young men want to play for...not to
mention a great school.Bronco Mendenhall is a coach that any parent
should be proud to have their son play for!!
BYU fans get over yourselves, this isn't about blind jealousy on the part of Ute
and Aggie fans. From a Ute fans perspective why would they be jealous that
you're pulling in two marginal recruits whose future impact on the team is as
mysterious as the BYU coaches silence on this whole issue? What Ute
and Aggie fans are questioning is the ethics of BYU coaches and these kids'
families for that matter. I understand missionaries should have realistic goals
set for when they return, but is it really necessary to have college plans set
in stone while you still have a year left on the mission?
You've obviously missed the point, the smack wasn't on UNLV, it was on BYU.
Bronco is a good guy, and I'm not even a BYU fan.
So BYU recruited a couple of guys on their mission. Let's get this straight,
it's okay for any other school in the nation to go after a kid on a mission but
BYU, an LDS institution. Isn't LDS athletes what BYU wants. If anything LDS
missionaries should be off limits to anyone but BYU.
he contacted BYU, find something else to take your shots at yewts
Bronco has built a winning program. Its no wonder that the blue recruits are
now flooding his door. Everyone wants to be a winner (not a weiner-Ywete fans).
No BYU coach in his right mind would have such a form letter unless all
missionaries were off limits to ALL schools recruiting them during their
missions.I can understand, however, why a Utah fan would want to lay
a guilt trip on the Y and get them to self-impose another disadvantage that no
other school is bound to.There is NOTHING WRONG with BYU responding
to a missionary's inquiry as long as it is done with care and doesn't distract
the missionary from his missionary work.Almost ALL missionaries make
plans for their future while they're still serving. We've had four
children graduate from BYU. All four served missions and all four filled out
applications and even scheduled classes for the upcoming school year, all while
they were still serving in the mission field. None of them were athletes. Missionaries are very capable of being fully committed to their
missionary service and still find time to make plans for after their
missions.Why should athletes be held to a different standard?
I can't understand how any fan of college football can disrespect Bronco. Look at what Bronco has done to BYU football, the character of these
young men, to the community, and to the MWC. He has brought respect and honor to
all of the above. He honored his own recruiting policy, which is at a higher
standard than any other coach. I guarantee you that most other coaches have
absolutely no problem contacting and recruiting players on missions. It happens
all of the time to BYU players, whether they choose to go or not. BYU haters, where is your class??????????? Where??
Do any of you people even know what "unethical" even means? Study up on it. It doesn't mean that when a player decides to go to a better school to improve
his future (abiding by ALL rules and regulations and doing something that EVERY
other school in the country has always done INCLUDING BYU) that he or the coach
of the team he goes to has done something unethical.You must all be the
same kind of idiots who are going to vote for Obama to protest the fact that
Romney didn't win the nomination.Think about what you are complaining
about - it doesn't make any sense - nothing wrong has been done(or even the
appearance of anything wrong).All idiots
BYU haters are missing the entire point that these articles do not touch
on.....and that is.....these athletes are making a choice to play for BYU....no
different than making a decision to vote for Osama, Bilary, McCain! BYU is not
making these young men play for BYU....they are committing to BYU to wear the Y
Helmuts and kick some butt...Thats what makes this country
great......freedom to persue your dreams.......the day that football players
cannot play for the schools they have dreamed about playing for....will be a
very sad day indeed......If USU UNLV or Utah are not getting the recruits that
you want? Then take a look at you program.....and make the changes necessary to
attract the talent you deserve, because its appaernt that based on results of
you recruiting ....YOU SUCK TODAY!
BYU & Coach Mendenhall have completely hosed James Lark.
I don't understand your logic "Cougar Dreaming".Only 1 school has
won a national championship from a Non-BCS Conference:BYUNot to disrespect what Boise State, Utah and Hawaii have accomplished, but I
will take the National Championship over a BCS bid any day. And to
RE: Ute Fan - BYU has won the last two meetings. Utah hasn't beaten BYU since
2005, which was BYU's last bad year. You are grasping at straws because you are
a BYU hater and BYU is bringing back its tradition of winning.
BYU should have a form letter that states, "We'll talk only after your mission?"
How stupid is that? Waiting until your mission is over to make a decision on
where you'll go to school would be insane. In most cases, it will mean you
would've missed application deadlines, and you would then be stuck wasting a
year of your life working some dead end part time job.Bronco already
has the most honorable and yet still sensible policy when it comes to currently
serving missionaries: Don't speak unless spoken to. His assistants just need
to make sure they follow every intent of that policy, unlike what I think
Higgins did with the Riley situation.
While only about 1/2 of BYU students are zoobies about 1/2 of Utah students are
Jerks. I am somewhere in between but would rather be a nerd than a jerk. Notice
I didn't say all. Some utah fans are not jerks you just have more run ins with
the ones that are.
We all know the saying its a duck. Seems mighty odd that two high school
coaches just happen to run into members of the cougars staff and say their old
players have interest in going to the Y. Only a cougar fan would look at this
situation and say that Bronco and his team are not actively recruiting
missionary players committed to other programs. That said it is this kids right
to go where he wants I wish him luck. I hope the boys on the hill are now doing
what ever they can to protect their LDS players serving missions.
Next time one comes to my door we are gonna talk football forget the lessons!.
As a BYU fan, I'll agree that a horrible BYU team was dominated by a very
mediocre Utah team during the first 40 years of the rivaly. Since then, let the
record speak for itself:BYU vs. Utah (1922-2007)Last 10 5-5Last 2010-10Last 3019-11Last 3625-11 (Since LaVell)Last
4025-15Last 5029-21Overall 30-49-4*Doesn't include the
1890's games which BYU and Utah split 3-3
Congrats!!!You really did it. I hope the world doesn't come to an end
like many people might think. I knew that the first reply would involve
Crowton, but I am actually impressed about the Chow admission. Well done too on
insulting the U while simultaneously responding to my "clamor" for something.
Next would be the challenge to find something wrong with the program or
school in the Bronco era. Why don't we just try something about the school
next. We have to take baby steps here.
Gross personal misconduct foul on all you guys calling hypocrisy. You have no
clue what you are spouting off about. When these players' parents contacted BYU
you cannot accuse BYU of hypocrisy. All indications clearly point to strict
adherence by BYU to all rules including NOT recruiting missionaries. Coach
Bronco has impeccable integrity so try using some of your own. Your envy of the
success of BYU football is undeniable so why continue looking like fools.
Hey Dick---Still looking for the quote?
Which would you rather have? Undefeated season and a lame-o
consolation BCS bowl, or an undefeated season and a National Championship?23 Conference Championships, or 3 and two thirds?One Heisman
winners, or no Heisman winners?One already inducted Hall of Fame
coach and one future Hall of Fame coach (who actuall made their careers at the
school, and didn't use it as a stepping stool), or no hall of fame coaches?Don't start the brag game; that's a contest your Utes are losing
badly to BYU.
To Naive: BYU has recruited in Hawaii for years, especially out of Kahuku High
School.To "Mom won't send her kids to Bronco's firesides": Too bad,
that was an incredible fireside, incredible spirit, and motivational for myself
and my wife.To BSU fans: Do you really live in Boise, or did you
HAVE to move there because of job requirements?To Shadow: I can
guarantee I am not even remotely interested in posting something on a Utah
article. Do they even write articles about Utah football?To
"Non-belivwe": What in the world is a non-belivwe? Or a "peoblem"? Or someone
being too "righeous"?To "Nice one cougars": "Stealing players" is
really cute, especially like the cool guys at your school stole your girlfriend,
right? Poaching is much better, you're just killing something that has been
banned due to scarcity and endangerment. Good example.Thanks again
to each of you for brining a little more humor my way today.GO
COUGARS! 2008 looks pretty GREAT!
I agree that how would the parents in HAWAII know to do this-Better yet-how
would people in HAWAII have another son playing at TIMPVIEW in Provo.. BYU did
not lose their Rick's college-they just reinstated it in TIMPVIEW high school
right there in Provo- The UHSAA better take a better look now at things that are
brewing in Provo.
Where is the hypocracy? Mendenhall only said that he would be very carefull
about contacting missionaries regarding football. Again, BYU made no initial
contact with this boy, the boy initiated it. The hypocracy is all you anit
cougs who complain that BYU is holier than thou but then you hold them to
standards that you deem okay for Utah, Utah St or whoever. Go cougs and keep
taking the best talent so we can hear the other schools continue to cry...MWC
Some of you people act like Bronco has secret agents going into the mission
field and stealing recruits. These missionaries are big boys now and their
parents are well informed. I hear no compaints about them being forced to
transfer.As for Bronco, he would be equally scrutinized if he failed to
land any missionary recruits. I am sure the AD expects a certain number of
athletes to change their mind. People are really reaching for reasons to gripe
about Bronco and BYU. This would be a silly recruiting dicussion in the SEC.As for as the NCAA rules regarding missionaries and transfers, well this may
be a real issue. I could easily see them changing the rule to lose a year of
eligibility. However, this shifts the balance of power in fovar of the school
and away from the athlete.
The simple fact here is that BYU fans will never admit that their football
program or school did something wrong. Most of us are not that different
really. Fans will always associate their team with their school, which in this
case is associated with their religion. Asking somebody to find fault in their
religion is an extremely tall order. Those of us with the ability to separate
the sports team from the religion can find fault and see things from a clearer,
more objective point of view. But asking someone who sees no real difference
between the two is asking too much.
I would much rather be labeled a hypocrite than judgemental. In this case, the
hypocrisy is debateable leaning on the side of Bronco. If the family, school,
and mission president did not object than the rest of us petty know it alls
don't count. When I see a statement from a mission president saying that Bronco
overstepped I will be upset.
Show us your NCAA Football Championship trophy! BYU - 1984Utah
- noneShow us your Heisman trophy!BYU - Ty DetmerUtah - none Show us your conference Football Championship trophy!
BYU - 23 (19 WAC/4 MWC) Utah - 5 (2 WAC/3 MWC)then
you can talk about Utah not being in the shadow of BYU football anymore.
It is looking more like a pattern and no longer an isolated event. We may be
looking at the new BYU athletics recruiting policy.A couple
questions to ponder: how many Mission Presidents would enthusiastically
introduce BYU recruiters to their missionaries when they come calling, and
reject recruiters from USC, UCLA, AFA, LSU, OSU, UofU, BSU, etc? And how many
of those Mission Presidents are BYU alums or fans?Seems like a
two-faced abuse of the church's Missionary program. Hmmm - or perhaps it is
church's missionary department that has changed: the definition of a convert now
includes a missionary athlete who switches to BYU....and regarding
Ben Olson, I believe it was 'Elder' Olson who contacted UCLA first - not the
other way around.
Come on man --- really? That's your articulate argument? If history is
history... BYU 1984 Undefeated "NATIONAL CHAMPS!" That's a one up on the UofU
undefeated "FIESTA BOWL!" You don't erase shadows just because your team has
done a better accomplishment in more recent years. Fact is, BYU has
accomplished more over the last 25 years than the U. Granted Utah had a few good
seasons, but that doesn't mean BYU is know in Utah's shadow.If you
want to go point for point - BYU will prove to be a mountain over a mole-hill in
comparison to the Utes.
I love it. If you can't beat them on the field, try to bad-mouth them to death.
The aggies and ewe make ankle biting an Olympic sport.
Maybe with us poaching players from UNLV, you will have a chance to score a
touchdown and beat them this year!!! Don't talk smack about schools
that used you as scrimmage.
Come back and talk when you get a National Title. In the meantime enjoy
spending your days hating on BYU because that is more fun than following your
sorry team. It must be cold in that shadow.
I was companion with a well-known BYU player who's currently in the NFL who was
recruited by a school outside of BYU during his mission. BYU didn't start its
recruiting until after the other school did. The other school was much more
agressive than BYU, but it didn't affect his missionary service one bit. He was
up in the air for a month or so, made his decision, and stuck to it.I don't see a problem here.
Players change their minds all the time. Players leave successful programs to go
to marginal programs. Players leave marginal programs to go to successful
programs.In the end, the only opinion that really matters is the
player making the decision. He has his own reasons for making his decision.Some missionaries change their minds a leave BYU. Some decide to come to
BYU.Fans can argue all they want about right and wrong, but, in the
end, unless NCAA rules have been broken, if you're looking to place blame, the
only person you can blame is the player, and the player has just as much right
to change his mind about where to play as any other person making a personal
decision.It's just a game, ...both on and
off the field.
hahahaha! Funny crying message boarders. What do you expect the BYU coaches to
do? Ignore good players that want to play for them? Should they tell them, "oh
contact us when you are off your mission and it is too late for you and for us
to make plans."Come on! Find something intelligent to be bitter
Which is more distracting to a missionary, to fret his entire mission, evan
"discussing it with investigators", or making the decision early and moving on
with the work at hand? for my part, the successful people I know, make their
decisions based on the best information they have at the time and move on. When
factors change or new information comes to light they make a new decision and
move on. That doesn't mean their principles have been compromised or that the
initial decision was wrong. Personally I look for an entertaining year of great
football from all our schools. the stronger the teams the better the
compitition. One strong team in a conference will never get national
recognition. Go Utes! Work on all MWC teams! but mostly Go Cougars!
Mentioned earlier is that the rule of not losing one year's eligibility for
transferring was only applicable to LDS missionaries. If a player were to do 2
years in the Peace Corps, could he then transfer without losing a year of
It might have been a trickle before but from now on every BYU athlete
that is on a mission will be fair game. BYU is on the upside here but will soon
be poached at a level not seen before. Bronco - turn about is fair play.
While not a fan of the WHY! This just furthers the hypocrisy. Bronco, you should
have a form letter that responds to each parent, brother, sister, agent etc who
may contact you regarding a missionary. It should read "I'm sorry, but in light
of the fact that your son is serving a mission for the Lord byu will not discuss
his future until he returns home. Thank you for your interest. Bronco"Parents shame on you. byu leadership shame on you.As a U of U fan, I
feel the same Urban, shame on you for talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Oh, and I'll fully admit that chasing Chow off and hiring Crowton were two huge
mistakes. Trying to hire Kyle was a mistake, but thankfully KWhit didn't make
us pay for that one.Lookee there! A Cougar fan that admitted not
one, not two, but three mistakes to you. And you were clamoring for anyTHING.
There is nothing hypocritical about Bronco wanting players who can keep
commitments and Bronco supporting a player (or coach or student) who decides to
change schools.People with half a brain can understand that the two
are not mutually exclusive.
BYU may have the best program in Utah but thats not an accomplishment
Good points. I have to believe that BYU probably explained to this (during
recruitment) kid's parents that if he didn't enroll at UNLV before his mission
and a spot was made available at BYU, his parents could contact BYU after a year
into the mission. I would have done the same had I been Bronco but it leads to
some "gray" area. I believe there is some gray areas in all college programs.
BYU get more grief because they are supposed to be "above board" in all aspects.
We're finding that BYU thletics isn't really a shining beacon when it comes to
integrity. Football is simply entertainment and most entertainment is dirty.
Bronco is simply playing the same dirty games (to get an edge) that all the
other coaches play. If BYU didn't play the dirty games, they wouldn't play at
the same caliber. That is a fact!
3 schools have made a BCS bowl from a non BCS conference.1) Utah2) Boise State3) Hawaii
I respect what Coach Mendenhall has accomplished and done the program. If BYU
was out recruiting missionaries while they were serving, I believe that the
church leadership would put an end to that in a heartbeat. It's a different
situation if the player or his family contact the school. They would be stupid
not to look into the situations.
You can always tell a bandwagon fan when they don't know even their RECENT
history. Since the inception of the MWC, the Utes have claimed 3 conference
championships. The cougars have claimed 4. Probably another "cougar
definition" of "dominance" (please ignore that the cougars have gone 4-5 against
the Utes in that same time frame).I'm a UTE fan/alumnus that really
couldn't care less who the Y recruits during an athlete's mission, nor how
hypocritical Y coaches may be. Utes have known for years that the team down
south has always been, and will always be, that way.
Life does go on after a mission. Missionaries have to decide what school they
are going to go to when they come home even if they don't play football. They
have their parents register them for classes or apply to a college if they
haven't been attending there previously. Good grief people stop making a huge
deal out of something that isn't a huge deal. Most missionaries can handle
thinking about their future without disrupting their work. Some can't, but it
isn't football recruiting that is the problem, but the missionaries attitude to
Peace, peace be unto you...all you football fans in Utah, stop airing your
displeasures and disappointments about others decision. Go to work, take care of
your families and serve thy neighbours. Love one another and remember why the
pioneers left and settles in Utah. Don't let others decision control your
thoughts and action. Now I have to go to work and take care of my family because
those young men decisions not going to put food on the table for me...much
Alohas to the Utah fans......
First, BYU is hypocritical. First they complain about Olson leaving mid-mission
and say he didn't "honor" his word. A few years later, "the kid just changed
his mind." Funny how the explaination for the change is different and
completely moral when you are the benefactor.Second, no more BYU
fans talking about how Utah is in the "shadow" of BYU, especially when they talk
about the Vegas Bowl??? Fact is that all Bronco and the TDS can talk about is
getting to a BCS bowl. Seeing how Utah has already done that...seems BYU is in
Utah's shadow. ByU wants a unbeaten season??? Utah has done that too. Based on
BYU's goals this upcoming year, it seems that they are looking to acheive what
Utah has ALREADY achieved. Who's in whose shadow?????
People need to realize that Dick is a columnist(like Dear Abby) and not a
reporter. Reporters are supposed to report FACTS. Columnists give opinions.
What seperates most columnists from Dick is that most of them use a little bit
of the facts in arriving at their opinion. Dick has an opinion and then only
uses the facts that may support that opinion.
Bronco's recruiting quote stated he would not be selling his program to
missionaries who had not sought him first. Coach Higgins should have told Coach
Favero exactly that. Then, if Riley through his family initiated conctact, he
could've then replied, "Sure, we're interested." The Riley situation did not
pass Bronco's (not BYU's), but Bronco's personal policy. The Te'o situation
passes with flying colors.Last signing day, Bronco stated he didn't
want players who weren't fully committed to the BYU experience. Nothing in his
statements prohibits a player from changing his mind and becoming fully
committed to the BYU experience, as Nelson and Te'o have now done.
"Utah played in the Vegas Bowl."...back when it was an also ran
bowl, NOT the bowl for the conference championBYU played in the
Fiesta Bowl ...back when it WAS the bowl for the conference
champion, but loooong before it became a BCS bowl or the BCS Championship bowl
My peoblem is that Mendenhall if pretending to be something that he is not. He
needs to down from his ivory tower.To Haters: LDS people are not
better than anyone else We are not more righeous nor perfect. Where do you get
off saying that. Obviously you don't pay any attention to the brethren when
they talk. If you are a member of the LDS church you ought to be ashamed of
that comment. Mendenhall needs to stopo claiming how righeous and
perfect his program is and he is. He needs to tone down his reteric when he
talks at firesides, press conferences and at church. BYU is the most hated
football team in the conference. Wonder why????? Mendenhallhas a winning
program. He does not have to answer to anyone. He can say and do what he wants.
Now the losing coaches at BYU are on their way out.
Wow the bitterness against BYU is strong. It reminds me of the good old days
when BYU was in the top 25 annually kicking everyone's behind. It is beginning
to happen again and opponents are jealous because right now BYU is really good
and getting better. On top of that they are doing it with kids with higher
standards (not perfect, but better than the past). Opposing teams scream murder
and unfairness every way they can. I can understand their pain
though. Not too many years ago BYU was in alot of pain and it hurt to lose
players to other programs in better shape at the time. It is good to see these
signs of success. Even better to see good players that recognize it and want to
play at BYU. Bronco was very carefull not to initiate contact with
these kids. These kids (or their families) initiated contact with BYU because
that is where they want to be. There isn't one coach in America that feels it is
unethical to talk to a recruitable kid that comes to them and wants to play for
their school. These bitter posts are just signs that BYU is again successful.
12 years ago I had my parents call BYU's special teams coach pel1a to see if I
could punt for them after my mission, he wrote a letter to me offering me a
scholarship. How come no one talked about me like this? I feel cheated! This
has been going on forever and will continue to happen, I don't know why it is
such an issue now.
As a Ute fan, I personally think it is great that BYU is poaching recruits from
Utah State and UNLV. Two great years under Bronco has resulted in you stealing
players from two of the worst college football teams in the country. Meanwhile,
Utah has been poaching players from Oklahoma and USC!...........For the lame
cougar fans saying that cougar fans don't comment on Utah articles, that is
ridiculous and you know it. Just because you don't doesn't mean all of the
other zoobies aren't.
As they came to us, they came of their own regard. We will not recruit players
while they are on their missions. That's not our policy. But when they do
contact us, we'll certainly listen." That's Awesome! Makes perfect
sense. Bronco is a class act. He has already rebuilt a great program. Who
wouldn't want to play for him? Of course he'll listen when players come calling
on their own. And he doesn't have to listen to the naysayers, since he is
following the criteria as quoted above, because that policy is fair and
honorable to all involved.Sure, missionaries should focus on the
missionary work first and foremost, but if decisions for their future come up
which require current preparations in order to carry out future plans they
should also attend to those preparations with haste. All missionaries make
certain plans to return to life again, and those who say otherwise are the
hypocrites. If you're of that group, BYU and its recruits hear your sad
refrain, but why should they listen? If you could play for BYU instead of UNLV
or USU or most Division I programs right now, you would be stupid not to choose
To Disappointed Cougar,Your well-known college athlete companion was
distracting your missionary work because he was being recruited while you
worked. The reason he would ask investigators what he should do "for months"
was because no decision was made for months. Fact is Bronco did both
missionaries, the missionary work, and the church a big favor by acting quickly
and putting the football issues to bed once and for all, and allowing the
missionaries to get back to their primary focus: preaching, not football. He
could have said, "let's talk when you finish your mission," but then the
missionaries would have stewed about the decision for the duration of their
mission. Lay off the Bronc.
I don't see any problem with this signing. He obviously initiated contact with
BYU and hadn't even enrolled yet at UNLV. Nelson was a different matter. BYU
intitated contact with Nelson via his High School coach while on his mission,
breaking BYU's own recruiting policy.
So, let me get this straight, the athlete's family contacts BYU's coaching staff
about the possibility of a scholarship and that is somehow "bad" "prohibited"
and "sleezy"? Come on, get a grip! I fail to see how this is any
different than when I contacted BYU as a missionary about returnning to the
school after my mission. I distinctly recall spending a P-Day filling out the
application, etc. So long as Bronco isn't initiating the contact, I see no
contradiction with his stated intentions not to actively recruit missionaries.
Honestly, what is he supposed to do when they contact him, say "I'm
sorry son, you'll have to wait until you step off the plane from "? Get real!
The NCAA rules state that schools cannot contact missionaries until they've been
in the field for 12 months. Bronco followed NCAA rules and his own stated policy
of not recruiting but being willing to respond to inquiries. Stop
making mountains out of molehills.
Oh man, you losers are actually right! I mean you really caught Bronco
red-handed this time. He professes to be something that he actually is not! I
think we should fire him! Responding to a family of a player(s) that wants to
come to BYU because they want to is freaking UNFORGIVEABLE! I wouldn't send my
son or daughter to his fireside either. I mean who would want to listen to a
hard-working, winning "hypocrite". I heard Charles Barkely is putting on a
fireside. That's where my kid is going (well, I would go and listen to Chuckles
too!) But seriously, Bronco is a scum! In fact, maybe the NCAA should step in
and penalize the program for some sort of spiritual recruiting infraction.
I love how all you ute fans live to cry about the "team down south". BYU is and
always will be better then you. What i cant figure out is what on earth do you
guys have to be proud of up on the hill? You've had 1 good season in the
history of your program and you think you are god's gift to football. I've
never seen so much chest pounding for a club that has done nothing. 2
conference championships in how many years? You guys are the joke. Keep it up
bronco. Quiet up ute fan. You guys are a disgrace to our state.
How would the parents in Hawaii know to email BYU had nobody told them? Didn't
it say that the kid had accepted an offer from UNLV. Surely nobody (that had
ties to BYU) could have talked to the parents. BYU doesn't even recruit in the
islands and surely they don't know any of the coaches in Hawaii either. The
parents must have seen a vision to switch from the "evil" UNLV to the
I knew Mr. Olsen in his mission field. He regularly talked openly to anyone
who would listen about his plans to bolt from BYU to a PAC 10 team. He had
contact from those teams - yes - plural. Missionaries do and will continue to
learn about what is happening in their world of sports. As for those
on this comment board who want to "hang" Bronco for recruiting missionaries,
learn to read, then learn to digest and finally understand the facts.
I am wondering if there is even one BYU fan out there who will admit that Nelson
was recruited by BYU. I am not saying that it was wrong or unethical. Just
admit that it was done. None of us were there, but there is more proof that
there was at least some recruiting on there side (statement from his father)
than there is that he was anxiously recruiting them. It is not hard to admit
one small thing. I will get the ball rolling on this. I think that USU has
done an aweful job with their football program. I will admit that the onside
kick by Kyle was a bonehead thing to do, and even worse than that was his
defense of it after the game. There you go. Try admitting anything that your
school or program has done wrong. I am looking for anyONE to admit anyTHING.
Hey Dick....Bronco's quote still a mystery?
Bronco is not actively recruiting players, he's responding to their inquiries.
He's not initiating the contact with missionaries so they can stay focused.
Then when he does respond he sends one email and one letter with an offer. He's
100% keeping to his word.As far as Ben Olson is concerned, yes, we
were bitter and upset. It hurts to lose a good player. Especially when he
knows he's not coming back (my opinion is he knew when he left for his mission
he wouldn't be coming back) and still announces he'll be back to BYU. What hurt
even more is he announced it so late in the game it left us in a tight spot.
Did he have every right to leave, you bet! And probably a good decision
considering what was unknown about the program at that time. But does that mean
fans can't be upset? Now is it hypocrisy to be giddy when someone de-commits
from their program to join ours? Again, it's being a fan. Just like not liking
it when someone scores on you and cheering when your team scores isn't
hypocrisy, just riding the waves of the ups and downs of the team.
Bronco is showing winning is everything. Integrity, character, commitment and
honesty come second. He should at least admit winning comes first and quit
putting on a front that character comes first.
Yeah, and I'm an NFL coach, and I know more ---Come on, really - how
old are you? No college coach is on a chat board setting the record straight.
Doesn't seem to be a lot of tolerance for anything with you mormons. I would
think they should preach more kindness and humility from your sermons. A lot of
you sure love to cast stones on this public site with beams in your eyes. It
seems like the kids are deciding where to pursue their football and academic
goals and following through in a timely manner in order to achieve them when
they are done preaching. You guys just need to relax, there really is no harm
to recruiting: I have had three sons go through the recruiting head game and
they all play some sort of game to try and keep there options open. It's a
business! Missionaries have to make decisions about school when
scholarships are on the line(academic or athletic)one of my sons did not get
home until 4 days before school started- he had to make a choice.He
changed schools because the out of state school he previously attended was upset
at him for going on a mission but know a school that did not offer him before
was interested and his brother was there.I had a former player that
was a two time state MVP and got all sorts of contacts and letter until they
found out how small he was. only 1 D1 program(not BYU) offered him and he took
it. He had a very good freshman year went on a mission and during his mission
decided to transfer to another D1 program(not BYU). Of course the first coach is
very upset; he was the only one that gave the kid a chance. The young man had to
do what he felt was best for him and his education.
What's worse? BYU-Haters who read BYU football stories and responds to the
comments as if anyone cares what you think?ORThe same
people who respond to their own response to act like others agree with them.Bottom line in all this controversy - Nobody cares what Ute Fan or any
other BYU-HATER (LDS OR NOT) thinks about BYU and Bronco. This situation doesn't
shame the school, the coach, nor the church. Last time I checked, I haven't
seen MWC officials, NCAA officials, or ESPN running around calling this an
outrage and shame and something has to be done.And Ute fan who wants
to talk about history -- history recycles itself. During the Lavell era Utes
where in BYU shadows, during the few Crowton years BYU was in Utes shadows. In
the Bronco years - Utes are again in Cougs shadows --- don't worry, give it
another twenty years and you might emerge for a few good years.
People stop getting all worked up about the school in provo. Come on does it
really matter. If they win the Mountain Worst Conference they get to play in a
bowl game that is played before Christmas against a 5th or 6th or even 7th place
team from a much better conference that they might need to kick a last second
field goal to beat. Wow big deal, if they need to break unwriten rules to do
that and make them feel good so be it. Hey USU your better off if a guy like
that wants to leave and go to the land of the Zormites!!! Fight ON, we look
forward to beating up on Ben thanks for the punching bag. You know whats
interesting no one really talks about how the church flew Ben to provo off his
mission to get his operation on his mission. I know that happens to all
missionaries, Right?See you guys in the National Championship Game or the
After losing the highly recruited Kaveinga kid out of California to USC, Coach
Mendenhall was quoted as saying, "Players that commit and then change their mind
aren't really who I'm interested in here, I believe a committment is a
committment, whether it's verbal or written." Interesting... does this sound
Illegal drug use is increasing, teen pregnancy rates are increasing, divorce
rates are increasing, people are starving to death all over the globe, American
citizens are giving their lives overseas, and all of you people are worried
about/fighting over football. It seems perverse.In the grand scheme of
things, there are so many more important things to be concerned with. Take a
deep breath everybody. It's just football!
Once again the Utes are just trying to turn something good that happened to BYU
into something bad. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!!
I'm a big BYU football fan myself, but I must admit, my gut is telling me that
BYU is going to go into SLC this year undefeated and ranked near the top 10, and
the game is going to be another classic rivalry game that goes down to the wire,
but I think Utah will be the team that gets the big play at the end of the game
this year that will close the door on the BCS to BYU and Utah fans are going to
take pride in their victory for years to come. While I hope this isn't the
case, I do feel in my gut this is going to happen and it will be a similar year
to the 2001 season.
No one cares about your team--you are irrelevent, no matter how often your AD
begs to be invited into the MWC.Good luck against Louisiana Tech
Way to go Cougs! We'll take him and any other player who wants to play for us.
Keep it up Bronco. We know (and so does the nation) that you are by far, easily,
no questions asked, the best coach in the MWC, and people want to play for you.
I can tbelieve there is so much talk about who contacted whom first. That is
all great but I am a college football coach and I can tell you where the contact
initiates does not matter. True recruiting takes place when a scholarship is
offered and BYU offered both a scholarship so therefore BYU did recruit these
two athletes period. The moment both were offered scholarships they
were recruited. In BYU defense nothing they did was illegal by way of NCAA
rules. However the stance BYU has now taken I do not want to hear BYU fans or
coaches whine in the future about their players being recruited while on their
This may lead to recruiting discrimination against Mormon boys who plan to serve
missions for fear of a bad investment. The NCAA should allow these schools to
set a return contract for any recruited athlete with an athletic scholarship who
red shirts or plays one season prior to departing for a mission be required to
return to that program (unless the head coach who recruited them has resigned or
been fired). Every investment deserves some sort of insurance policy.
Didn't you play at BYU?
BYU once again did nothing wrong. BYU is being held to a standard that doesn't
exist. Here's a standard: Don't kick an onsides kick when up by 40.
Have fun U fans pretending to be offended and preaching all these
sermons to Y nation.
It's amazing what "winning" can do for a program!Go Cougs!!!
Go BYU! All of you who are wining about this can just keep your mouths shut!!
byu is gathering the 12 tribes
BSU isn't crying. They have owned you for years. While we're at it, Utah has
been on the losing end of the rivalry for a couple of years, but you haven't
exactly been dominating them in recent years. As for USU, well they are USU and
probably crying. BYU struggled when Ricks became BYU Idaho and
dropped football. Ricks was their farm team and the way they dealt with
missionaries coming and going. Bronco has found one way to deal with the
complexities of running a football program that has a majority of its players
leaving for two years, he is recruiting missionaries away from other programs.
I think it is sleazy and it will make it tougher for Mormon kids to be recruited
to other college football programs. What I think doesn't really matter, just
like the rest of you.
Sweeeet!!! Sorry little u fan, this is just killing you. And by the way what do
care? UNLV should be posting not you. U fans are like rats, always sniffing
around in garbage needing something to fill their little rat bellies. Boy your
hate is strong. It's almost laughable to read the article and then read the
posts. It like Y haters can't read newspapers. Funny stuff.
Hey Mr. Harmon. Making a scholarship offer is RECRUITING. He said and I quote
form your article, "We will not recruit" while kids are on their missions.Spin it anyway you want.
Every situation is different. A missionary could deal with this issue and not
let it affect their work. Some would let it consume them and make them less
effective missionaries. I don't blame a kid for making plans for his future
while on his mission, just don't let it interfere with what you are supposed to
be doing.I think coach Mendenhall could make the offers, only after
being contacted by the missionary and/or their family, but should encourage them
to work hard etc. etc..Players transfer, it's no big deal. I just
hope that Utah continues to recruit and land LDS kids. I also hope that every
kid that goes to BYU, LDS or not, succeeds in life, but fails on the football
field.I hope, for the sake of the conference, that BYU wins every
non-conference game and then goes 0 for the conference.
You are 100% correct, it was the first thing I thought of when I saw the
Why are so many accusing Bronco of being the one recruiting this athlete on his
mission. It appears to be the other way around in which the athlete was
actually recruiting Bronco. If any shame should be put on someone, it should be
on the athlete, for thinking about football, his future, and his education
before coming home from his mission. Even I spent some time on a P-day to apply
with BYU-Idaho while on my mission after being offered a scholarship through my
president. Perhaps he decided he still wanted to play in Vegas, but only if it
was the Vegas Bowl, something he would not get to do as a UNLV Rebel. Or,
perhaps he also wanted to be in a different atmosphere when he got home, and not
be where he would have to face casinos, big billboards of porn stars and every
other temptation that surrounds UNLV's campus. Shame on him for pursuing a
chance to go to BYU. What was Bronco and the BYU staff to do? Ignore the
family's inquiry and refuse any consideration of the missionary's request?
Would that make Bronco more honorable? Ignore and deny any missionary
expressing interest in his program?
You make some good points. BYU fans think that they are so hated by everyone
because they are so good...but in reality, its not the fans that people hate it
is the "holier than thou" attitude that many Y fans carry. Also, I think it is
time to change the NCAA policy on missionaries, and have them lose a year of
eligibility after transferring.
these players have nothing to do with florida, USC, ohio state or LSU so WHO
REALLY CARES the Y couldn't beat their practice squads.
That sanctimonious, self-rigteous BYU has the audacity to improve their program.
I am ouraged!!!!
We sent four sons and a daughter on LDS missions. None of them had athletic
scholarships but they all had need to arrange for life after their missions.
For instance, I remember a discussion I had with an academic adviser
at Ricks college regarding which math class I should register my son for as he
had decided to major in computer science. He was in rural Brazil on his mission
and needed help to register for classes.Playing football for BYU is
a big deal. But life is a bigger deal. Which university you attend is a bigger
deal. I attended BYU from small town Tennessee for the LDS environment, to
select an LDS wife from the thousands of LDS girls, to prepare for my career --
in that order. I imagine many missionaries get into the mission
environment, see the contrast between the spiritual focus of missionaries and
the relative hedonistic focus of many students at many universities and wish the
could transfer to the more spiritual focus of many at BYU. Some do transfer.
Some play football.Relax. It's just a game.
Did BYU break any rules? No. The problem is that they want you to think that
they live by a higher law and that they are so much better than anyone else.
They still have problems with students getting in trouble and look the other way
to get some of them into school. They need to remember that they are just like
Many of the comments (and taunts) made by faithful BYU fans are nothing more
than idiotic. You people are unbelievable - short memories too.The
rule allowing coaches to sign missionaries (or servicemen) while serving is
wrong. If you can't see this - you have moral flexibility that runs contrary to
your professed beliefs. Why would anyone be surprised that the NCAA - one of
the most corrupt (or inept) entities in existence - allows this practice? If
contacted by a missionary, Bronco's canned response should always be: "Go back
to work; we can't consider anything until you are home." That's it.Consider this: I'm LDS, and my teenage son or daughter will never attend a
Bronco fireside - even if it's held in my back yard. What would be the point?
Football Mom,As a former missionary I can tell you that Missionaries when
they get together talk about going to BYU and housing together "Have Mission
House at BYU".My feeling is that is what was going on with both
these kids. It is a very big deal on your mission to be able to say I am going
to BYU.Nelson, his case was that Coach Higgins was talking to the
Logan coach and the conversation turned to Nelson. The coach talked about if
Nelson was interested. This was a simple conversation that turned into Nelson
changing.Neither kid was "Recruited" while on his mission, to
recruit would mean contact, which would mean that they emailed the boys. Trying
to get them to change thier minds. Neither happened. One came out over causal
conversation and the other came at the request of the family.So all
you anti BYU people, stop looking for the slightest issue to bash BYU
Good post, good insight. After what's been going on with Mendenhall and BYU, if
I were a college football coach, I wouldn't give an LDS kid a serious look now
if they were considering a mission. I would also suggest that the NCAA look into
changing the rules to where even an rm has to sit a year or lose a year if
they've signed a LOI before a mission and then transfer after a mission.
Here's the problem that Bronco's creating - BYU is getting commitments
(regardless of whether BYU initiated contact or not) via a loophole only
missionaries get. Outside of missionaries, other college players who want to
transfer lose a year of eligibility. If this loophole didn't exist, do you
really think these two young men would second-guess their commitments and
forfeit a year of eligibility? Do this enough and burn enough schools and the
university presidents will be lining up asking for the NCAA to change the
rule.Speaking of commitments, didn't Bronco say he was only
interested in players who were committed? Apparently in Bronco's eyes,
commitments can be broken as long as the broken commitment doesn't hurt BYU.I'm not a BYU fan, but am an active Mormon who doesn't live along the
Wasatch front. Not everyone hates BYU like you Y fans tend to think. However,
it is safe to say that everyone does hate the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou
attitude that so many in your fanbase exude.
You are dead wrong blog breath! BYU wanted both Jensen and Teo. The problem was
that they didn't have avaliable schlorships to offer. Get the facts straight
before you spout off. Just another yewt blogging with no ryhme or reason. Go
ahead and be a hater. And remember no matter how lousy a season BYU has the
yewts will always be the ugly step sister, second best,second fiddle, second
bannana, in the state of utah. Without divine intervention you will always be
#2. Oh well you could be utah state.
I'm certainly not a BYU hater, but if UNLV or USU recruited missionaries off
their missions, that would make the front page of the Deseret News. I served a
mission and felt it a relief to be focused on the Lords' work and not my own
future. There is a big double standard here. I'm thinking I don't want my kids
to attend BYU even though here in California no one considers attending any
other University. (Everyone feels like a failure if their kids "only" get into
Jonny Cash said it best, im gonna Cry, Cry Cry. That is all I am hearing from
Utah, USU and even a BSU fan. Keep crying boys as the Cougar program keeps
rolling. I for one wont be surprised for the day when Bronco and BYU get every
blue chip LDS kid. I would also be disappointed in both BYU and Bronco if they
didn't try to recruit and get every good LDS kid, even if they are on a
Who cares if he recruits guys on their missions...so does everybody else.What he SHOULD do is come out and say he mis-spoke when he claimed he would
never do it. It's not like the LDS church ever changes their mind on
To say that Bronco is a disgrace is wrong and classless. If a missionary wants
to contact BYU during the course of his mission to see about playing football
there, why is that BYU's bad? Bronco has returned the program to a clean,
honorable program. Every program has problems and many kids in programs
struggle to stay eligible. But make no mistake, Bronco is in no way a disgrace
It must be months until football season begins. And since we only have Nancy-boy
sports like basketball, hockey, soccer and ice skating to watch, we take our
frustrations out on stories like this.None of this banter back and
forth means a spit to me, other than football season is one hot summer away.
Heaven help us all!
What is the reference to zoobies?
All I can say is this: It is so much more fun for Cougars fan when all the
rivals hate your coach, ie Bronco haters; than when all the rivals love your
coach, ie Crowton. It definately means the program is going in the right
direction. I will only be upset when the Utes start singing Bronco's
praises the way they did with Crowton.
If you have the inside scoop, then how come you failed to mention in your
timeline that BYU actually offered a scholarship or told the family they would a
few months ago? This story was already broken by Dick or one of the
DN staff months ago, it is only being made public again because the son finally
recieved the news and made his decission.
I am wondering where this family lives now-If the recruit graduatged from a high
school in Hawaii-what is his brother doing at Timpview?? Just curious if this is
another case of Timpview being a "Rick's" college for BYU. I am a BYU fan-but
these recent developments are making me wonder what exactly is going on..
Yah - and I had three (really known college athletes) as mission companions, and
yah they all were the same way. This recruiting thing distroyed them as
missionaries, individuals, and their soles.To all you BYU-haters who
say you reap what you sow.... I guess if after recruiting three mormon kids on
missions (Hall, Bradley, and Jorgensen) produced two back to back 11-2 and top
15 seasons; then think what recruiting these two kids on their mission will
Bronco can't comment. If he did, he would commit recruiting violations, maybe
stripped of theses two boys, but most certainly be put on probation and stripped
of scholarships.Please at least know the issue before making snide
remarks. Oh, wait. This is the internet. No one is required to actually know
anything before spewing.
Bronco would never contact anyone on their mission, why of course not. BYU would
also never recruit less than stellar athlete/students (in that order) to
compete, not true, just look at Crowton. Now Bronco has thrown everyone another
curveball and has taken to recruiting missionaries, very sad day for the LDS
church. When the church and its BYU fans place football above church they have
crossed the line. Bronco has chosen not to take the high road and instead of
"hey, you are on a mission, stay focused and we will talk when you get back" he
has taken the (whether he calls them or not) yeah I guess their LDS mission
experience is not so important that it cant be distracted approach. BYU is a
diminishing institution for these very reasons. The collegiate ranks look at BYU
as nothing more than a group of close minded hypocrites, which is proving true.
As BYU continues its downward spiral it will be interesting to see how long the
"real" church center in SLC continues to allow gross disdain for the spiritual
aspect of the LDS mission and instead allows BYU to turn it into a spectacle for
To all the haters:Yes, we are righteous. We are better. We do hold
ourselves to higher standards. We are awesome, we know it and we know that you
know it. Most importantly,we LOVE rubbing your faces in it. See you on the
field this fall. Yeee-haaa!
Can we please use our collective heads for something other than long-term
storage of outdated vendettas? Think for a moment: how does a college football
coach FIND a missionary to recruit him?Seems to me he's got to go
first either through a parent or a mission president or both. Much more likely
that the parent initiates the contact.Those of you who served
missions, really, how much junk mail did you receive, unsolicited? Nobody
talked with my son until I initiated the first contact on his behalf.
Utah played in the Vegas Bowl. They beat USC that time. One of many bowl
victories for Utah.
It's not what Bronco does that bothers us...it's his 'holier than thou' attitude
about his righteous living that does.
I had the "privilege" of attending a small school on a football scholarship.
I'd mention some of the things I saw happen there, but I doubt they could pass
censorship. My experience at BYU was not like the previous one. I'm really
tired of the BYU hypocrite baloney. Yes, BYU fans were upset when Ben Olson
left. Is there another school anywhere that wouldn't have been upset to lose a
top recruit? I think you BYU haters are pretty desperate when the best you can
come up with is this. "Bronco recruited a missionary that expressed interest in
his progrm." For shame!!!!! Intelligent people can look pretty stupid when it
comes to blind hatred and prejudice. No BYU student or alumni expresses that
they, the institution, or the football program is perfect. Most affiliated with
the university at least try to be decent people. (p.s. Who isn't a hypocrite?
We're all human.)
If any of you BYU/Bronco haters read the news and keep up with what is going
on.... This particular story broke months ago. In the first story, it talked
about how the family contacted BYU and told them of their sons interest, and
then how BYU sent the scholarship to the parents (not the missionary). At the
time, the father had struggled with how and when to tell his son.This is not new news, and it only shows that Bronco was true to his word.All you BYU haters - Get over yourselves. This attempt to try and paint
Bronco as an eval, unethical person is not going to work. Fans who say they are
no longer fans because of this, we all no that you are an imposter anyway. NO
BYU fan cares about what has happened, and no BYU fan is turning on Bronco.
Let's talk BYU...it was them that did not want Riley coming out of high school
or Teo...but if you have you ever had a kid recruited by the coug's. First they
tell you they are looking at someone else and if they don't sign we might have a
scholorship..second if you are LDS they offer you a walk on with no money and
the chance to earn one...then when you go some where else and do well..they
start to talk to other people to see if you have an interest and have you tell
them to have your kid call them because they can not contact them...we have been
through it..luckily our child never changed schools, got a great education, made
many friends and could look in the mirror the next day and say I made a decision
and I will stick to it and the Y made a mistake and they can pay for it...so you
parents and kids be ready for that speech..There is honor on both sides not just
Do these posters think we are all stupid? How easy it is for a some one to CLAIM
to be a RM/or disappointed cougar fan and snuggle up to the keyboard to create
some entertainment. It would not surprise me if 20 or 30 LDS kids
switched schools and transferred to BYU. Given the timeline and events over the
past few years, I am sure lots of players are taking another look at the
cougars. And why not, after all, they have raised the bar!!!
Good thing Bronco has mom, dad and dick on the job to issue such carefully
worded statements to protect his reputation.
A Red Herring is used by lawyers, business moguls and ex-wives as a means to
detract from the real issues at hand. While you chase one issue, the truth is
distorted.These boards and sports talk radio, while at times fun,
are full of posts and spats that move away from the real issues. 1.
BYU did not recruit either of these missionaries while on their missions.2. First contact was made by the student/athlete, not BYU.3. BYU and
Bronco remain honorable, in spite of the sanctimonious rantings to the
contrary.4. BYU will never do right in the eyes of its detractors who will
always find fault.
Isn't it great what consecutive winning program seasons will do for you! Great
to see the Bronco bursting out of the chute. Bronco has really turned this
program around, much to the chagrin of all naysayers. Just read the posts that
precede and follow this one. You either love him or hate him. That is a sign
the program is turning the corner. I say keep pressing the advantage. It would
be great if BYU added that killer instinct to their "do the right things on and
off the field" mantra. It all still comes down to a great deal of hard work and
great conditioning, but if you stay focused and go after it, we could be seeing
even greater times ahead for the Cougars. Go blue.
You make an excellent point, the Vegas bowl is nowhere close to what we deserve,
but we are stuck there for the time being. Regardless of where we are at, you
guys are still in our shadow hoping to one day be in our spot, Vegas bowl and
Since my opinion is really only worth about the rest of yours, I'll share it
anyway. Regardless of who talked to who first, and what Bronco said two or three
years ago, the program is in the right direction again, I doubt that anyone can
dispute that. All of you that don't like Bronco can stay that way, we don't
really care. You talk about embarassment, but look at what we are complaining
about now compared to five years ago with rape accusations, robberies, etc.,
To all ute fans who disrepect the Vegas Bowl: If you were good enough to get to
the vegas bowl, you'd be bragging about it instead of having to go to the also
ran bowls that the utes always have to settle for or better yet have to hope
they get invited to.
To all you BYU fans, your self-righteousness if funny. You can't admit your
program ever does anything unethical. Oh and one more thing, I don't think any
of your rivals are scared about your recent UNLV and Aggie pickups. Can't wait
to smack BYU around again.
There is one thing to remember here it is that the families contacted Bronco
about thier son, and like any good coach he got thier permission to communicate
with them while on thier mission. But I would be willing to bet that the two of
them waited all of one week to make the choice to switch.So Utah and
USU fans go cry in your corner, but remember Harline and Collie are still open.
IF BYU keeps recruiting missionaries away from other schools, are non-LDS
schools going to want to recruit LDS athletes?What coach is going to
invest precious recruiting dollars on an athlete, knowing he may go on a mission
and have the Y and his mission president recruit him.If this keeps
up, every LDS athlete, regardless of desire to play for the "Y" is going to
carry a stigma becasue of his religion and is going to find it hard to get
recruited to other schools. And for those athletes who have no interest in the
Y, its all the more sad, because even though they may never play for the Y, the
fact that they are LDS may hurt their chance to play at another school, because
coaches will assume LDS and BYU are synononomous and will pass the kid by.
It took a while for BYU to get back to Malosi, because this scholarship offer
was given ONLY because of the relationship to MANTI.This is a TWO
for ONE offer, with the hope that it is enticing enough to land Manti.And yes, I have an insiders scoop on this one.
while serving a mission too. I was going to go to Utah State with all of my
friends. It's not an uncommon thing to do.I hope Bronco continues
to allow missionaries who are good enough to have football scholarships, the
opportunity to play for and attend BYU.For all those Ute fans and
Aggie fans who need reasons to hate BYU, add this to the list. If it weren't
this, you would surely find/invent something else.Keep whinning
boys! Life is gooooood!!!!!
I never thought I'd ever say this, but this was actually a good bit of reporting
by Harmon. Thanks for clarifying what Call reported a while back and showing
Bronco is not a hypocrite! These kids get on their missions, and for some, BYU
happens to be the right place, and in Te'o's case, there finally was a
scholarship. Whine all you want, Utah fans, but I am sure there will be
some missionaries that want to come to your place too, that is, if BYU doesn't
get them first! My condolences to USU in this whole matter. It must
really stink to lose a native son to Provo, but that's life. Hope you get better
Why is it so surprising to people that BYU's football coaches are any different
than their counterparts? The only difference is that they pretend to
have higher standards. Get over it people, and stop drinking the
"we live by a higher standard" Kool-aid that the current coaching staff is
providing.I see no problem with what the BYU coaches are doing. The
only problem is the BYU fans that are delusional to think that they are, in some
weird sense, angelic in their approach. Thankfully, many BYU fans are not this
I really have to laugh at a lot of these comments. Is your life that dull that
you have to worry about every little thing that goes on at BYU. Why does
everything that happens at BYU have to be part of some ccnspiricy theory. Two
people changed their minds. It happened, happens, and will happen in the
future. Sometimes it will work the way it has this week and sometimes it will
happened the opposite way. So take a deep breath and get over these idiotic
It is a good thing Bronco is teaching these young men to honor their
committments. Why is BYU spending time recruiting missionaries? Shouldn't BYU
let these young men spend their two years focused on service and not interfere
by recruiting them.
For Liberal Larry:There was nothing dishonorable about Ben Olsen
leaving BYU for UCLA. I know the guy and he had every right to go where he
believed was the best place for him. We do live in America where you are allowed
to change your mind. Conversation ended.
During my mission, my companion (a well known college athlete) was being
recruited and it really interfered with our work. For months, that is all he
talked about and thought about. Even with investigators, he would talk about his
options and would ask them what he should do. The most important part of being
on a mission is to preach the gospel, but this recruiting issue really
interferes with that. The Y should know better. I am really disappointed.
Look Larry, this has been rehashed several times, but a few distinguishing thing
about what Olson did:He stated in the press that he was coming back
to BYU. Nelson and Te'o made no such public promises.Olson waited
until he was home to inform BYU of a decision that he and his family had made
long before he was home. Now, I realize that Crowton's 'resigning' near the time
of his arrival may have have had something to do with it, but by promising to
come home all along, Olson left BYU high and dry to QBS. Nelson and Te'o are
giving more than enough notice for USU and UNLV to recruit accordingly to fill
the voids they're leaving in their positions.
There is nothing ethical or moral about the NCAA rules. Their rules are to
protect their assets. They don't want their best football players snapped up by
the pros. They also don't want to have to pay more than the paltry scholarships
they offer. So, who cares if Bronco contacted the players first or whatever.
The change in these players choices has more to do with BYU's great football
season than what they are doing as missionaries. And if an individual can get a
better deal at BYU, i.e. more exposure, more playing time, then they would be
stupid to not jump at the opportunity.
This really isn't a big deal, this kid had zero ties to UNLV, unlike Riley at
USU. The only part of the article I thought was strange was how careful the
author was about explaining who made the initial contact. He was trying way too
hard to make BYU look innocent. Give it up, we all know BYU is no different than
any other school in the country.
You people who find wrong in what has happened with these two athletes amaze me
to no end. If BYU was losing, you would be paying no attention. In fact, you
have paid no attention while missionaries, for many years now, have switched
allegiances while on their mission. Many have NOT come back to BYU despite
having signed to play in Provo. And some in the unknowing sports talk and
sports writing world are sucked in to thinking something illegal has been done.
You need to calm down, see the bigger picture, and recognize the truth. The
truth is that, at the moment, BYU is a good place to be, especially for an LDS
football player. In time, things will probably change as they always do. When
they change, you can once again ignore reports of athletes changing their minds
while serving a mission.
So because your daughter says she thinks Riley did the smart thing, it's all
good. Strange brew!
The family said,"Make no mistake about it. They didn't come out and
talk about it to us. We sent an innocent e-mail to them first and never expected
a response at all. Now that this has happened, we feel very blessed he received
an offer."See, this is not a made up quote made by specious fans of
other football programs, this is an honest-to-goodness quote from the family.
Complain, whine, moan, the kid (who is 19-20 years old) changed his mind. I
wasn't happy when Olson left, but he made the decision based on what he felt was
best. As does the program. How well your college football team does has no
bearing on your eternal salvation.
Bottom line-- If BYU had finsihed the last two seasons with 4-8 records, no one
would notice,when these two kids changed thier minds. Thecontroversy
is a sure sign BYU is back on track
I seem to recall, a few years ago, when a certain, Ben Olson, jumped ship during
his mission. It seems BYU fans where apoplectic, and couldn't believe how
someone could "break his word" and not, at least, be cast out into the outer
darkness. But now, such behavior, is seen as almost virtuous! Very
Top 20 team every year huh? How is that Vegas bowl treating you zoobies???
It appears fashionable to be skeptical to this whole recruiting thing. To
everyone who thinks Mendenhall is pulling a fast one, I say shut up. The only
facts you have are what's been reported. Besides, what is so strange about a
good program attracting athletes? It's a good time to be a fan of BYU football
again, but obviously it brings with it a healthy amount of venom and skepticism
from the in-state rivals. Too bad! Deal with it!
Let the Yewt whining begin!!!!Yes! I love the off seasons
when BYU owns Utah.By the way there are very few Utah fans
left. Only BYU haters...
To FormerYloyalist...PLEASE! Now what are you..REALLY!!! And to Mormon AGGIE.
My daughter goes to USU and she thinks Riley did the smart thing. What, a
college career with one of the worst teams in the country maybe winning a few
games a year in a very weak conference or play for a prennial top 20 team that
gets national exposure. If you think there is even a slight comparison you'd
better check what they putting in the ice cream these days. GO HUSKERS!
More like: Bitter ute fan who has had a really bad two years.Glad to have another Teo in the field. That family may be the 2000's version
of the Atuaia clan.
How does this "fiasco smell bad"? The only thing that smells bad around here is
your assertion that you were once a "Y loyalist". If you bothered to read the
article you would have noticed that it was the athlete and his parents that
pursued BYU, not the other way around. Some people, regardless of facts, are
intent on remaining in ignorance.
BYU contacting missionaries or missionaries / family contacting BYU. It was
evident with Nelsen and Malosi that their "camp" initiated contact first. Bronco
has held to his word to leave missionaries alone unless contacted by them. Sorry
utes and aggies - I know it hurts to see BYU win and now get second chances at
recruits they may have missed the first time around, but you can't blame the
Cougs -- anyone who is responsible for a program and winning would make the same
decisions - totally within the rules and in compliance with the guidelines
Bronco set up his first year as HC. Here's to Manti joining the Cougars
next year and Levi after that!!!!!!
Totally agree with FormerYLoyalist. I never liked Bronco anyways, but this is
downright scummy. He oughta just let the missionaries serve their purpose in
the field. If other schools want to play the dirty game of recruiting
missionarires, oh well, but Mendenhall is disgracing BYU each new day.
The Riley Nelson fiasco smelled bad, this makes it smell worse. Notice the
fishy made-for-the-press timeline and the timing of the press release. Is this
supposed to make Bronco look good? NOT