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The worth of a family | 1:15 a.m. May 28, 2008
I find it hard to believe the audacity of that CPS worker.
She claims that, despite tearing a family apart, and permanently scarring the children, it was all worthwhile because they got the mother to clean her house better!
And then she wonders why the state is always seen as the bad guy?!
The real tragedy here is that, because of CPS' overbearing actions, people with legitimate concerns avoid them at all costs. Only when a person is hospitalized or the police are called can CPS get involved.
She claims that, despite tearing a family apart, and permanently scarring the children, it was all worthwhile because they got the mother to clean her house better!
And then she wonders why the state is always seen as the bad guy?!
The real tragedy here is that, because of CPS' overbearing actions, people with legitimate concerns avoid them at all costs. Only when a person is hospitalized or the police are called can CPS get involved.
Jonathan Wurst | 8:46 a.m. May 28, 2008
Let's all remember just why the state was called in. Two teenage daughters
wanted to get their ears pierced, and the parents objected. The CPS/State
"looks into it", finds the house dirty, and removes all the children!
Gee, I wonder why they don't remove all the children of at least 1/3 to 1/2
of all homes because "the house is dirty" when they happen to show up
at the door demanding entrance.
What is the result? Society's rules are imposed upon the children/families instead of parental rules. The State says the girls, who were "underage ", could have their ears pierced, even if the parent's religion teaches against it. What if the Kingston's sect of Mormon Fundamentalism or the FLDS was the predominant religion of society? Should THEY be able to come into your home and overrule your own house/religion's rules and stop you through force from allowing your children to get their ears pierced?
What is the result? Society's rules are imposed upon the children/families instead of parental rules. The State says the girls, who were "underage ", could have their ears pierced, even if the parent's religion teaches against it. What if the Kingston's sect of Mormon Fundamentalism or the FLDS was the predominant religion of society? Should THEY be able to come into your home and overrule your own house/religion's rules and stop you through force from allowing your children to get their ears pierced?
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response to Jonathan Wurst | 9:36 a.m. May 28, 2008
the reason for the children being removed from the house was because their
father threatened them with violence for getting their ears pierced...
Anonymous | 9:45 a.m. May 28, 2008
I would like to see Deseret News move away from sympathetic stories of
polygamous groups--I feel that they are trying to help the public develop
sympathy for criminal acts. Rather than be sympathetic, maybe we ought to be
encouraging of law enforcement, and move away from the subject of polygamy in
the news all together. We've had enough.
What's violence? | 9:55 a.m. May 28, 2008
Did he threaten to beat them to a bloody pulp? Or did he threaten to spank
them? Or were the kids telling the truth?
We had a case down here where a mother and step father refused to let their 13 year old see a movie they thought was inappropriate--her girl friend called CPS and made charges of abuse and the girl, who denied that her parents were abusive, was taken from the home for over a year. I don't know what their housekeeping was like.
We had a case down here where a mother and step father refused to let their 13 year old see a movie they thought was inappropriate--her girl friend called CPS and made charges of abuse and the girl, who denied that her parents were abusive, was taken from the home for over a year. I don't know what their housekeeping was like.
Re: Nichols | 10:07 a.m. May 28, 2008
The way assistant Utah attorney general Nichols sympathizes with the actions of
the CPS down in Texas is particularly galling. That there is no respect for the
4th amendment and due process by this public official is of particular note.
Do we need this attitude in the Attorney General's office?
Do we need this attitude in the Attorney General's office?
Matt in Tucson | 10:35 a.m. May 28, 2008
How many times has Nichols exceeded the speed limit, or broken some other
traffic law? Does Nichols intentionally ignore traffic laws, and choose not to
follow them? How about choosing to ignore copyright law by watching YouTube?
The fact of the matter is that Nichols and everyone else routinely breaks laws. The state routinely decides not to enforce laws. Trying to target Polygamists for sticking to their religious beliefs is stupid.
I can't believe that the reporter didn't ask Nichols a single tough question. Wait, this is the Deseret News. I guess I can believe it.
The fact of the matter is that Nichols and everyone else routinely breaks laws. The state routinely decides not to enforce laws. Trying to target Polygamists for sticking to their religious beliefs is stupid.
I can't believe that the reporter didn't ask Nichols a single tough question. Wait, this is the Deseret News. I guess I can believe it.
Steve | 10:48 a.m. May 28, 2008
The pro-polygamy advocates are tiresome.
One more time, the FLDS are engaged in highly inappropriate activities:
* Underage marriages, which amount to child rape
* Expelling teenage boys from the community so the older men have more women to marry
* Reassigning family members from one wife or husband to another wife or husband
* Denying family members access to other family members
* Following a prophet who is a convicted pedophile who marries twelve year-olds to himself so that he can rape them
Some want to claim that the issues here are constitutional rights or parental rights. But, the only reason for these hearings and the appeals is to balance those against the bad behavior of this group.
Members of the FLDS community have the right to believe anything they want. They don't have the right to do whatever they want.
So, now, they are crying "violation of rights". We'll see. The Texas supreme court will shortly weigh-in. And, criminal charges will shortly be forthcoming (in all likelihood). They will have the right to defend their behavior in court.
But, they are undeserving of sympathy. This is a repulsive group that engages in and supports repulsive behavior.
One more time, the FLDS are engaged in highly inappropriate activities:
* Underage marriages, which amount to child rape
* Expelling teenage boys from the community so the older men have more women to marry
* Reassigning family members from one wife or husband to another wife or husband
* Denying family members access to other family members
* Following a prophet who is a convicted pedophile who marries twelve year-olds to himself so that he can rape them
Some want to claim that the issues here are constitutional rights or parental rights. But, the only reason for these hearings and the appeals is to balance those against the bad behavior of this group.
Members of the FLDS community have the right to believe anything they want. They don't have the right to do whatever they want.
So, now, they are crying "violation of rights". We'll see. The Texas supreme court will shortly weigh-in. And, criminal charges will shortly be forthcoming (in all likelihood). They will have the right to defend their behavior in court.
But, they are undeserving of sympathy. This is a repulsive group that engages in and supports repulsive behavior.
Phantom Cat | 10:54 a.m. May 28, 2008
to Anonymous: I cannot agree. The Deseret News has done a fairly good job of
covering developments in the Texas/FLDS case. "Polygamous groups" vary
and the individuals in the groups vary. They are not all evil. As far as
"enforcing the law" against polygamy, well, I'd be for it if
society enforced laws against adultery, shacking up, fornication, sodomy, etc.
Instead, Hollywood and pornographers like Hugh Hefner preach anything goes and
society shruggs its shoulders. So, if society is going to allow the
pornographers to "do their own thing" then while get all riled up over
polygamy?
Anon E. Mouse | 11:04 a.m. May 28, 2008
He beat his daughter for running away from an arranged marriage to HIS BROTHER?
There just aren't enough EWWWWWSSS in the world for that. Your dad forcing
you to marry your uncle. So creepy.
Jancis M. Andrews | 11:05 a.m. May 28, 2008
When "religious beliefs" include ordering young girls or women into
FLDS harems where are nothing but concubines and baby-machines, that is not a
bona fide religion, that's sexual exploitation. Sexual exploitation is
abuse. The FLDS elders use the pretext of religion to get what they're
really after ...a plentiful supply of sex, airbrushed to look like a religion.
By the way, the FLDS are blasphemers when they use the name of Christ in their
title. Both Christ and St. Paul say a man must have but one wife -- read Matthew
9, v 3-9, First Epistle of Paul to Timothy, 3, v 1,2 and 12, and the Epistle of
Paul to Titus 1, v 4-7. However, the FLDS prefer to ignore Christ's
commandments, and instead go for the Old Testament, where many of the patriarchs
collected women in the same way they collected sheep. Solomon had 300
"wives" and 700 concubines, and one day when he wasn't in a good
mood (must have had a bad hair day) he slit all their throats. What a lovely
fella! And this is the kind of role model we're supposed to follow?
re: Steve | 11:21 a.m. May 28, 2008
The anti Bill of Rights lynch mob marches and Steve is running for lead rope
bearer.
Of 5 charges Steve lays at the feet of the FLDS, the 3 middle ones weren't even alleged by the state of Texas, much less proved, in their case again them. The first charge, an appeals court ruled, the CPS made but then didn't even provide any evidence that could be construed to support that allegation.
In the final charge, Steve can't even get right what the Jeffs guy was convicted of. The second half of that charge may well be true, but of what application to the 460 in state custody?
Unfortunately, criminal charges against any of the adults in Texas will have to stem from evidence gained independently of the whole raid fiasco for them to be valid. No convictions will make it through the appeals system otherwise.
This whole mess is what happens when investigations are launched with such prejudiced notions.
Of 5 charges Steve lays at the feet of the FLDS, the 3 middle ones weren't even alleged by the state of Texas, much less proved, in their case again them. The first charge, an appeals court ruled, the CPS made but then didn't even provide any evidence that could be construed to support that allegation.
In the final charge, Steve can't even get right what the Jeffs guy was convicted of. The second half of that charge may well be true, but of what application to the 460 in state custody?
Unfortunately, criminal charges against any of the adults in Texas will have to stem from evidence gained independently of the whole raid fiasco for them to be valid. No convictions will make it through the appeals system otherwise.
This whole mess is what happens when investigations are launched with such prejudiced notions.
sailor | 11:21 a.m. May 28, 2008
Steve
One more time, the FLDS are engaged in highly inappropriate activities:
* Underage marriages, which amount to child rape
* Expelling teenage boys from the community so the older men have more women to marry
* Reassigning family members from one wife or husband to another wife or husband
* Denying family members access to other family members
* Following a prophet who is a convicted pedophile who marries twelve year-olds to himself so that he can rape them
The FLDS is not being charged it is individuals. You have show that a person is guilty. When you have a pastor that is charged as 2 Baptist in Texas were you don't go after the whole congregation. Show where individuals have done these thing and then go after them.
One more time, the FLDS are engaged in highly inappropriate activities:
* Underage marriages, which amount to child rape
* Expelling teenage boys from the community so the older men have more women to marry
* Reassigning family members from one wife or husband to another wife or husband
* Denying family members access to other family members
* Following a prophet who is a convicted pedophile who marries twelve year-olds to himself so that he can rape them
The FLDS is not being charged it is individuals. You have show that a person is guilty. When you have a pastor that is charged as 2 Baptist in Texas were you don't go after the whole congregation. Show where individuals have done these thing and then go after them.
COSMO | 11:27 a.m. May 28, 2008
Opps! Typo, correction should be Disgusting! Sorry :-)
sailor | 11:34 a.m. May 28, 2008
Jancis
If your are going to use the New Testament, where does it say a man is to have one wife? If you use 1 Tim 3 it deals with church leaders and can be taken as not divorced.
If your are going to use the New Testament, where does it say a man is to have one wife? If you use 1 Tim 3 it deals with church leaders and can be taken as not divorced.
Steve | 12:19 p.m. May 28, 2008
Oh, sorry.
Warren Jeffs is an accomplice to pedophilia. My bad.
Warren Jeffs is an accomplice to pedophilia. My bad.
Adam and Eve | 12:40 p.m. May 28, 2008
Read the Word, Old and New testaments are very clear about being again polygamy.
If it was God's original plan to have polygamous relationships He would have made it so in the garden. The garden of Eve dispels all myths about sexually deviant relationships.
If it was God's original plan to have polygamous relationships He would have made it so in the garden. The garden of Eve dispels all myths about sexually deviant relationships.
utah double standards | 12:47 p.m. May 28, 2008
who's law? what law?
brendal | 1:15 p.m. May 28, 2008
Seriously, is there ANYONE in Utah that doesn't sexually abuse their
children? I can't believe this is a legitimate news site. You actually
SUPPORT pedophiles and sexual abuse of minors? What kind of religion is that?
We're to be the protectors of the young, innocent and the aged elderly.
You're ALL sick if you can have sympathy for weird, creepy old men who
marry young girls and family members. EWWWWWWW!!!!
sailor | 1:15 p.m. May 28, 2008
With only one male and one female in the garden it's hard to have anything
else. It's only after that there were children and others.
Joejames | 1:29 p.m. May 28, 2008
If the Texas CPS is worried about underage girls being pregnant, Hispanic girls
ages 15 to 19 accounted for 61 percent of teen births even though only 39
percent of Texas adolescents were Hispanic, according to the federal National
Center for Health Statistics. The Texas hispanic culture in some way contributes
to underage sex and thus births, far beyond the FLDS.
Will CPS now take all hispanic children from their parents? Why not? Are hispanic underage girls getting pregnant not as pregnant as the flds girls?
How is one underage pregnancy more worrisome than another? How is one minor being impregnated not as violated than another? Will the CPS have all underaged Hispanic pregnant girls given DNA tests? Why not?
Looking at it another way, a very large majority of the underage Hispanic mothers are on state support services, while the FLDS mothers are not. The hispanic underage mothers are single mothers, the FLDS mothers are in families.
Why is one group more important than another?
This has been going on long before the FLDS moved to Texas, why was it never an issue? Why is it not an issue now?
Will CPS now take all hispanic children from their parents? Why not? Are hispanic underage girls getting pregnant not as pregnant as the flds girls?
How is one underage pregnancy more worrisome than another? How is one minor being impregnated not as violated than another? Will the CPS have all underaged Hispanic pregnant girls given DNA tests? Why not?
Looking at it another way, a very large majority of the underage Hispanic mothers are on state support services, while the FLDS mothers are not. The hispanic underage mothers are single mothers, the FLDS mothers are in families.
Why is one group more important than another?
This has been going on long before the FLDS moved to Texas, why was it never an issue? Why is it not an issue now?
Doug | 1:37 p.m. May 28, 2008
Just because something is written in the Bible doesn't mean that it's
an "order" from God.
Robert | 2:42 p.m. May 28, 2008
The ridiculous assertions that the government should have no control when the
former very sick sociopath Rulon Jeffs and his sick son Warren Jeffs control
women, children and use and abuse them is the point for their own sexual
pleasure above everything else (sorry ALL Polygamists use religion to promote
their own disgraceful promiscuity, they are no different than the black man we
denigrate for having children by multiple mothers out of wedlock. This is just
more systematic and organized. It's no different.
I am so sick of people using religion to justify their own sick pleasure and then crying about government interference. Germans used the same arguments in Nazi Germany and the Taliban use the same sick arguments in the name of Allah.
Worst of all judges and sick pundits are backing the FLDS. I don't know how they look themselves in the mirror. And there is plenty to educate yourselves that this is no freaking family life OR more disgusting in the "name of freedom" against government interference.
It's another even sicker and larger cult than we've seen before.
I am so sick of people using religion to justify their own sick pleasure and then crying about government interference. Germans used the same arguments in Nazi Germany and the Taliban use the same sick arguments in the name of Allah.
Worst of all judges and sick pundits are backing the FLDS. I don't know how they look themselves in the mirror. And there is plenty to educate yourselves that this is no freaking family life OR more disgusting in the "name of freedom" against government interference.
It's another even sicker and larger cult than we've seen before.
David the Ex-mo | 2:58 p.m. May 28, 2008
If you are going to quote the Bible, you should at least know some historic
bible information. It was not originally Adam and Eve but Adam and Lilith. Eve
was added later and could be used for a pro-polygamy argument.
Heidi | 3:02 p.m. May 28, 2008
Actually, my daughters are not the ones who called the police. It was the gas
station attendant, after my daughter begged her not to. They told the police
that they hadn�t been hurt or threatened harm, the police
held us in a room with no heat (it was a cold winter night) for over an hour,
then apologized, and sent us home.
The investigation by DCFS didn�t reveal a filthy home, the CPS worker actually found that the girls would be safe at home and didn�t file a petition. It was the Guardian ad Litem�s office who took off with the allegations of abuse.
The investigation by DCFS didn�t reveal a filthy home, the CPS worker actually found that the girls would be safe at home and didn�t file a petition. It was the Guardian ad Litem�s office who took off with the allegations of abuse.
Heidi again | 3:04 p.m. May 28, 2008
"Heidi didn't change, and she doesn't believe the state did
anything to help her," Nichols said. "But her house and her living
arrangements for her children are better now than when she started. At least she
started making it a safe place for the kids."
Yes, Ms. Nichols would say that, because it is all she knows how to say. She hasn�t spoken with me and has absolutely no idea what has or hasn�t changed. Curious enough about her statement that my home is better now. Yes, the state forced me to move into a new home, and yes I gained approx. 300 sq. ft. of living space, but my monthly payment is almost three times the amount, and we lost everything we had already invested into the 6 bedroom home they essentially kicked us out of.
Yes, Ms. Nichols would say that, because it is all she knows how to say. She hasn�t spoken with me and has absolutely no idea what has or hasn�t changed. Curious enough about her statement that my home is better now. Yes, the state forced me to move into a new home, and yes I gained approx. 300 sq. ft. of living space, but my monthly payment is almost three times the amount, and we lost everything we had already invested into the 6 bedroom home they essentially kicked us out of.
Heidi again | 3:04 p.m. May 28, 2008
"If the parents will recognize that the state has an interest in returning
the child to the parents, in maintaining the family unit �
they'll do much better than if they fight it," Nichols said.
"We're not trying to destroy the families, but to stop the behavior
that we find offensive."
I am surprised she had the audacity to make this statement. Maybe she is just getting on in years and losing her memory. But my memory serves that from DAY ONE, we were told that the state had no interest in maintaining the family unit. I was told repeatedly that if I would abandon their father, leave the rest of my family, that maybe they would CONSIDER working with me. Of course, I didn�t buy it, just like the people in Texas aren�t buying it now. AND furthermore, it was made VERY CLEAR that their intent was to adopt my children out to several different foster parents, this was a part of the first service plan they created.
I am surprised she had the audacity to make this statement. Maybe she is just getting on in years and losing her memory. But my memory serves that from DAY ONE, we were told that the state had no interest in maintaining the family unit. I was told repeatedly that if I would abandon their father, leave the rest of my family, that maybe they would CONSIDER working with me. Of course, I didn�t buy it, just like the people in Texas aren�t buying it now. AND furthermore, it was made VERY CLEAR that their intent was to adopt my children out to several different foster parents, this was a part of the first service plan they created.
Heidi the last time | 3:08 p.m. May 28, 2008
Amazingly, there isn�t a polygamy law, and you would think
that an Assistant Attorney General would know that. What there is are Bigamy and
Cohabitation Statutes, and as surprising as this may be, we actually abide by
them better than most members of society. It�s probably
because we�ve actually read them, know what they say, and
care enough about not breaking the law to try and find a way to live within
it.
I have a lot more to say, as there were many minor indiscrepancies with the facts, but instead, I want to thank the reporter, Mr. Winslow, and the newspaper for taking the time to try and bring a little balance into an unbalanced world.
I have a lot more to say, as there were many minor indiscrepancies with the facts, but instead, I want to thank the reporter, Mr. Winslow, and the newspaper for taking the time to try and bring a little balance into an unbalanced world.
View from California | 3:41 p.m. May 28, 2008
Heidi, it seems entirely possible to me that the girls' knew they could
expect even more abuse (than they would have received just for having their ears
pierced) if anybody called CPS. I guess it's one of your daughters who was
belt whipped by your husband for refusing to marry his brother?
send in the clowns | 3:59 p.m. May 28, 2008
there's got to be clowns! 1890 get with it or move out of country! just
listening to the episode on the lost boys is enough and this is organized crime
right here in this state!
RE: View from California | 5:47 p.m. May 28, 2008
You guess wrong.
Often when we jump to conclusions or judge without proper facts, we make the wrong decision. I appreciate those who understand that everything isn't always how it appears at first glance, sometimes there's more to the story than we might think.
Often when we jump to conclusions or judge without proper facts, we make the wrong decision. I appreciate those who understand that everything isn't always how it appears at first glance, sometimes there's more to the story than we might think.
joejames | 6:20 p.m. May 28, 2008
The largest group of underage pregnant girls in Texas are hispanic. By law, any
sex with underage girls is considered rape. Statistically, most of these girls
were impregnated by older men. In fact, according to the governments own
records, Hispanic girls ages 15 to 19 accounted for 61 percent of teen births
even though only 39 percent of Texas adolescents were Hispanic, according to the
federal National Center for Health Statistics. The Texas hispanic culture must
in some way contributes to underage sex and thus births. Underage hispanic birth
numbers are far beyond those of the FLDS.
Will CPS now take all hispanic children from their parents? Why not? Are hispanic underage girls getting pregnant not as pregnant as the flds girls?
How is one underage pregnancy more worrisome than another? How is one minor being impregnated not as violated than another? Will the CPS have all underaged Hispanic pregnant girls given DNA tests? Why not?
Will CPS now take all hispanic children from their parents? Why not? Are hispanic underage girls getting pregnant not as pregnant as the flds girls?
How is one underage pregnancy more worrisome than another? How is one minor being impregnated not as violated than another? Will the CPS have all underaged Hispanic pregnant girls given DNA tests? Why not?
View from California | 6:51 p.m. May 28, 2008
@ comment at 5:47
Heidi (I assume) -- so was the whipped girl the child of one of your sister wives? Or what? If you answer that, I won't have to keep guessing, no?
I am not Mormon, but I have no huge problem with the mainstream Mormon faith and I applaud this newspaper for its coverage and for allowing a discussion. I have long been a student of religions. Please keep in mind, though, that, thanks to the Internet, you're going to find people landing on this site and getting the impression that all Mormons accept the practices of the FLDS. If I didn't know better, then I certainly would have gotten that impression from reading your story and the comments.
Heidi (I assume) -- so was the whipped girl the child of one of your sister wives? Or what? If you answer that, I won't have to keep guessing, no?
I am not Mormon, but I have no huge problem with the mainstream Mormon faith and I applaud this newspaper for its coverage and for allowing a discussion. I have long been a student of religions. Please keep in mind, though, that, thanks to the Internet, you're going to find people landing on this site and getting the impression that all Mormons accept the practices of the FLDS. If I didn't know better, then I certainly would have gotten that impression from reading your story and the comments.
Plato | 6:54 p.m. May 28, 2008
If I remember correctly one of Heidi's children was sexually abused while
in temporary foster care. If this is correct maybe Ms. Nichols can explain how
the state made that child safer than in her mothers home, clean or not. Why
didn't these girls help their mother clean the house instead of their
rebellious self centered ear piercing campaign.
When the state raises children the family unit is no more. More often than not CPS is n Orwellien monster . . .
When the state raises children the family unit is no more. More often than not CPS is n Orwellien monster . . .
Interloper | 4:24 a.m. May 29, 2008
The woman is still incapable of seeing that the chaos in her lifestyle as a
member of a violent polygamous clan has caused her children trauma and will
continue to do so. She should be looking inward instead of outward.
BTW, how does this 'single' mother of ten support her children?
BTW, how does this 'single' mother of ten support her children?
getreal | 7:25 a.m. May 29, 2008
It is easy to blame CPS instead of admitting that you, as a mother, allowed your
children to be abused. Take responsibility for you own actions.
I still can not believe their are poeple defending the FLDSers. I think we have a lot of Fldsers on this blog. Protect your children from the rape, abuse and child labor, and you can have your children back.
I still can not believe their are poeple defending the FLDSers. I think we have a lot of Fldsers on this blog. Protect your children from the rape, abuse and child labor, and you can have your children back.
yougotexas! | 9:06 a.m. May 29, 2008
I am a grandmother of 9. Six are female. I would not feel honored at the thought
a nasty old pervert wanted to bed down with one of them, even if someone told me
that it was Gods will! I don't feel sorry for those FLDS women who
don't have enough backbone left to see something wrong with that kind of
lifestyle. I read that the FLDS adults are concerned with their rights ?????? Is
there no one worried about the rights of those children ???????
Utah and Arizona don't seem to be.
If my daughters acted like these woman who can't or will not protect their children, I would have to step in my self, and I would fight tooth and nail for my inocent little ones. GOOD FOR CPS !!!!!
I am itching to see what they have hidden in BABYLAND !!!!!!
Utah and Arizona don't seem to be.
If my daughters acted like these woman who can't or will not protect their children, I would have to step in my self, and I would fight tooth and nail for my inocent little ones. GOOD FOR CPS !!!!!
I am itching to see what they have hidden in BABYLAND !!!!!!
anonymous | 1:06 p.m. June 4, 2008
The CPS were probably doing their job. It was the police officer who herself
later got in trouble for terrible behavior who had developed a big head as do
some who get into jobs of authority such as the DCFS caseworkers who probably
exaggerated the living conditions of the home and Judges who side with DCFS
bullies. Why didn't the DCFS and the state make them take a housecleaning
course & a parenting class to begin with and check in on them to help rather
than remove ALL the children except one!? Because it's a dysfunctional
system that only employs & maintains dysfunctional government workers. The
better people including foster parents quit. Until the authorities are held
accountable for their wrongdoing in their decisions which includes selection of
neglectful, abusive foster homes and maintaining dysfunction institutions &
abuse in the courts, then our society will continue to go downhill. The
administration needs to clean up their fake acts before they start tearing
families apart.
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Heidi Mattingly-Foster, 36, of Taylorsville, plays chess with her son Ronald, 5, right, and Vienna Batchelor, 3, at the Batchelor home in South Jordan Saturday. Foster is a member of the Kingston group, which practices polygamy.
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and there are no ute fans, only bandwagon fans, nice try though
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What strikes me as ridiculous is that when a case goes through CPS, the parents have to really toe the line, but when the case goes through family court as divorces do, the parents still get unsupervised visitation even though they do unbelievable things. In my case, my son's father and his now wife left her children alone and went on vacation and my son was court ordered to visit their home, which included a teenage stepdaughter who had been charged with possession of illegal drugs and who after one negative drug test was able to babysit my son. I'd rather give my son a picture of Warren Jeffs! (All pictures of Warren Jeffs were removed from the possession of the FLDS children.) It would be great if the same stringent rules applied to families through CPS were also applied to custody cases in family court.