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re be proud | 1:32 p.m. May 28, 2008
exactly! similarly to Vietnam, we are being told this is a winnable fight,
despite the fact we are facing an enemy we can't defeat, the VC were
incredibly resourceful, and Al Qaida is becoming the same.
Oh Please | 1:32 p.m. May 28, 2008
Declaration of Independence from George W. Bush/John McCain
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to talk straight for a few minutes, let�s bring up a few self-evident truths.
The history of the present King, er, President of the United States is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the ruination of this country for the enrichment of his friends. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
�He has held hundreds of human beings prisoner on an island for years without charging a single one of them of a crime, bringing them to trial, or conducting any pretense of due process of law whatsoever. These people were not even granted a military tribunal on the field of battle. Guantanamo is a concentration camp, pure and simple�the kind of thing we fought to end in the war against fascism in the 1940s.
�He has conducted secret torture sessions of human beings, a gross violation of American tradition, American conscience, the Geneva Accords, United States law, and the Constitution of the United States, which directly and clearly prohibits �cruel and unusual punishments.�
When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to talk straight for a few minutes, let�s bring up a few self-evident truths.
The history of the present King, er, President of the United States is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the ruination of this country for the enrichment of his friends. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
�He has held hundreds of human beings prisoner on an island for years without charging a single one of them of a crime, bringing them to trial, or conducting any pretense of due process of law whatsoever. These people were not even granted a military tribunal on the field of battle. Guantanamo is a concentration camp, pure and simple�the kind of thing we fought to end in the war against fascism in the 1940s.
�He has conducted secret torture sessions of human beings, a gross violation of American tradition, American conscience, the Geneva Accords, United States law, and the Constitution of the United States, which directly and clearly prohibits �cruel and unusual punishments.�
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Oh Please | 1:34 p.m. May 28, 2008
�He has invaded a sovereign nation on the basis of lies and
distortions and for the sole purpose of securing for his friends in the oil
industry privileged access to the largest, cheapest, and highest-quality oil
field on the planet�Iraq. More than 4,000 American soldiers
have died in Iraq. More than 30,000 have been maimed for life. And now he has
vetoed an act of Congress to help Iraq veterans enjoy GI bill benefits because
it�s �costly.�
�He has borrowed the U.S. treasury nearly into bankruptcy to finance his Iraq war, thus driving down the value of the dollar by 40%. This inflation in turn has caused fuel prices to rise outrageously, the national debt to balloon beyond any historical limit. And he calls himself a �fiscal conservative.�
�He has sponsored Orwellian laws like the �Clear Skies Act� that makes our air dirtier, the �No Child Left Behind Act� that leaves millions of children behind, and the �Patriot Act� that takes away the rights of American citizens to be secure in their homes and even their telephone calls.
�He has borrowed the U.S. treasury nearly into bankruptcy to finance his Iraq war, thus driving down the value of the dollar by 40%. This inflation in turn has caused fuel prices to rise outrageously, the national debt to balloon beyond any historical limit. And he calls himself a �fiscal conservative.�
�He has sponsored Orwellian laws like the �Clear Skies Act� that makes our air dirtier, the �No Child Left Behind Act� that leaves millions of children behind, and the �Patriot Act� that takes away the rights of American citizens to be secure in their homes and even their telephone calls.
Oh Please | 1:35 p.m. May 28, 2008
�He takes pride in his own stupidity, refusing to read
newspapers, to talk to international leaders who don�t
agree with him, and to engage with the most important international problem of
our times�the Arab-Israeli conflict (until the last few
weeks).
�He has put this country on a permanent war footing in a vague, endless, undefined, insanely expensive, Orwellian war against �terror� for the benefit of his friends in the military-industrial complex. Meanwhile the �terrorist in chief,� Osama bin Laden, still roams the world at will with a handful of ragged followers after a trillion dollars and 7 years of �war against terror.� By contrast, it took us 3 years and 4 months to take out Hitler and his entire war machine.
George W. Bush is not only the worst president in American history, he is the criminally worst. And John McCain means 4 more years of the same thing!!!
We therefore appeal to our fellow citizens that we become free and independent of Bush/McCain and absolve ourselves of this tyranny. And to this we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
�He has put this country on a permanent war footing in a vague, endless, undefined, insanely expensive, Orwellian war against �terror� for the benefit of his friends in the military-industrial complex. Meanwhile the �terrorist in chief,� Osama bin Laden, still roams the world at will with a handful of ragged followers after a trillion dollars and 7 years of �war against terror.� By contrast, it took us 3 years and 4 months to take out Hitler and his entire war machine.
George W. Bush is not only the worst president in American history, he is the criminally worst. And John McCain means 4 more years of the same thing!!!
We therefore appeal to our fellow citizens that we become free and independent of Bush/McCain and absolve ourselves of this tyranny. And to this we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.
Pistolpete81 | 1:47 p.m. May 28, 2008
Vote for NADER!!! then its not your fault!!!
Ben | 1:51 p.m. May 28, 2008
There's a reason why only the super rich are supporting McCain, because
McCain supports big business over regular people just like Bush. Of course the
news isn't reporting that McCain's top economic adviser was a lobbyist
for the mortgage companies and has shaped McCain's economic policies. just
great.
Anonymous | 2:07 p.m. May 28, 2008
Impeach the (blankety-blank)!
Gain the lost respect back from the world.
Gain the lost respect back from the world.
magnus | 2:21 p.m. May 28, 2008
I support the troops. I think they are working miracles and making the best of
a very bad situation. I also think we owe it to those same troops to hold the
leaders resposible for putting them in this bad situation accountable.
At some point the troops have to come home, will it really be more stable there five years from know than it will be next year? And who's to say, after we have trained and armed this national army capable of maintaining order in the most historicaly violent region on earth, that the people won't freely elect a leader like Al-Sadr who will turn that national army into his own personal malitia?
Is it really worth the blood and treasure we are investing?
I feel a sense of duty in that as Americans we created this mess and we have a duty to clean it up and not just abandon these people. I wonder though, when can we say enough is enough and let them go it on their own? Will it ever be enough?
At some point the troops have to come home, will it really be more stable there five years from know than it will be next year? And who's to say, after we have trained and armed this national army capable of maintaining order in the most historicaly violent region on earth, that the people won't freely elect a leader like Al-Sadr who will turn that national army into his own personal malitia?
Is it really worth the blood and treasure we are investing?
I feel a sense of duty in that as Americans we created this mess and we have a duty to clean it up and not just abandon these people. I wonder though, when can we say enough is enough and let them go it on their own? Will it ever be enough?
Utah Valley Resident | 2:47 p.m. May 28, 2008
Message to Annonymous 6:12 am
75,000 liberal tree huggers showing up in Oregon for Obama is not big deal, and was predicable. Get your head together.
75,000 liberal tree huggers showing up in Oregon for Obama is not big deal, and was predicable. Get your head together.
CougarKeith | 3:38 p.m. May 28, 2008
Well I am not contributing to McCain's Campaign, or voting for him. As a
CONSERVATIVE Republican I am voting for "Ralph Nader" for President as
of this point in time. Why? Because it is my PROTEST VOTE rather than not voting
at all.
Should Mitt Romney or Condalisa Rice be named as McCain's running mate, I will then VOTE FOR McCain, other than that I am fairly certain my vote will be for Ralph Nader.
I frankly wish Mitt Romney, Condalisa Rice or J.C. Watts were running as Republican Candidate, that would get my vote without second thought! (For those not knowing, Condalisa Rice is a WOMAN and she and J.C. Watts are BLACK, but most importantly the three of them are CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and have BRAINS!!!)
Should Mitt Romney or Condalisa Rice be named as McCain's running mate, I will then VOTE FOR McCain, other than that I am fairly certain my vote will be for Ralph Nader.
I frankly wish Mitt Romney, Condalisa Rice or J.C. Watts were running as Republican Candidate, that would get my vote without second thought! (For those not knowing, Condalisa Rice is a WOMAN and she and J.C. Watts are BLACK, but most importantly the three of them are CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and have BRAINS!!!)
Get Real | 3:38 p.m. May 28, 2008
What a bunch of soreheads!! One right after another. Get real, people, Obama is
NOT going to be the next president of the United States. In the Communist
Manifesto, wasn't it Karl Marx who wrote that religion is the opiate of the
people? How does that differ from what Obama told his elitist friends in San
Francisco--that in times of stress and crises, the common folk like those in
West Virginia, Kentucky, etc. turn to religion for solace. In other words, for
comfort like an opiate. No, people, Obama is not going to be the next president
of the United States. The soreheads with comments listed above do not speak for
all of us. President Bush has a lot more class than most of them. Welcome to
Utah, Mitt Romney and President Bush.
magnus | 4:40 p.m. May 28, 2008
@ Get Real
Regardless of what Obama said that sounded alot like Karl Marx or how socialist his record in the senate is the iminence of him being the next President is something you'd better come to grips with. Or I guess you could just keep pulling a Hillary.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a conservative and I don't think Obama backed by Democrat controlled houses of Congress is going to be good for America, but denying the reality of the political landscape certainly isn't going ot help things.
Obama has more money, more momentum, and more charisma than McCain. His campaign is already doing an awesome job of branding McCain "Bush V2.0". People keep saying that his inexperience will be his downfall but he has taken on one of the most experienced and well known polititians in the USA and beaten her and her popular ex-president husband.
I think it will be closer than many people think, and I honestly hope you are right, but I think McCain is the long shot right now, not Obama.
Regardless of what Obama said that sounded alot like Karl Marx or how socialist his record in the senate is the iminence of him being the next President is something you'd better come to grips with. Or I guess you could just keep pulling a Hillary.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a conservative and I don't think Obama backed by Democrat controlled houses of Congress is going to be good for America, but denying the reality of the political landscape certainly isn't going ot help things.
Obama has more money, more momentum, and more charisma than McCain. His campaign is already doing an awesome job of branding McCain "Bush V2.0". People keep saying that his inexperience will be his downfall but he has taken on one of the most experienced and well known polititians in the USA and beaten her and her popular ex-president husband.
I think it will be closer than many people think, and I honestly hope you are right, but I think McCain is the long shot right now, not Obama.
Lorelei | 6:16 p.m. May 28, 2008
One day the history books will read that George W. Bush was one of the best
presidents of the United States of America. There has been more reenlistments
in the military then in any time in US history.
I'm with Styme | 7:08 p.m. May 28, 2008
Styme said: "too much money and too little sense". I cannot imagine
at what point I would ever give any $$ to a political candidate.
Anything--throwing it out the window, using it for insulation, burning it in the
fireplace, is a better use for money. What a waste-- to give it to them--any of
them. Think of all the real, important, good things that could be accomplished
with these millions. Really very depressing.
Lewt | 7:18 p.m. May 28, 2008
I don't think reenlistment is indicative of very much other than a shortage
of more mainstream, less dangerous jobs. Lorelei could be right about the
history books, but right now she's outnumbered nationwide by about 3-1
Lewt... | 7:45 p.m. May 28, 2008
You're right, Bush and Lorelei are outnumbered by about 3-1. Just like
Lincoln was outnumbered nationwide in 1861 by about 4-1 when he basically
imposed martial law on Baltimore, and Roosevelt in 1941 by about 3-1 when he met
with Churchill to map war strategy. Just because popular opinion thinks
something is right does not necessarily make it so. In 2001, shortly after the
terrorist attacks, President Bush told us the road to victory would be long and
perilous. Thousands of you applauded when he said, "Our war on terror...
will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped
and defeated." He stated, clearly, what we should expect: "Americans
should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have
ever seen." He made the stand America would take clear: "...the only
way to defeat terrorism as a threat to our way of life is to stop it, eliminate
it, and destroy it where it grows."
And he set out to keep his word.
About the only part of the speech that has been inaccurate is the part that drew the most applause-"...we will not falter, we will not tire..."
And he set out to keep his word.
About the only part of the speech that has been inaccurate is the part that drew the most applause-"...we will not falter, we will not tire..."
Lewt | 9:37 p.m. May 28, 2008
Yes, Bush said all those things, but within a year and a half he had combat
troops in a country that had never been involved in terrorism, though dominated
by a dictator whom we had once helped. Too bad all the patriots and history
experts weren't there to whisper in his ear, "Don't forget bin
Laden. Don't give that job to someone else. Don't attack unless
you're certain about the WMD. DON'T TORTURE. Don't forget our
Constitution."
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