Logan star plans to join Cougars after mission
An academic institution's reputation for excellence is an outgrowth of all of
its programs and the success it breeds at all levels. If the Y's claim to fame
is being the 79th best undergraduate institution, you are welcome to that
legacy. My point was that any ranking taking into consideration the entire
picture (THES-QS World University Ranking, Academic Ranking of the World's
Universities by Shanghai Jiao Tong U., Webometrics Rankings, Wuhan U.) ranks the
U higher where the Y is lower/absent. If Elder Nelson is interested in the
school with the best academic reputation (period, no proviso's like best
undergraduate or best for redheads) then he should go to the U---Go Utes!!!
If BYU is so interested in this kid, why didn't they offer him a scholarship
before his mission? Why not wait until he's home? I guess BYU doesn't have a
problem breaking the rules laid out in the missionary handbook, "You will be an
official representative of the church. You will be expected to devote all your
time and attention to serving the lord, leaving behind all other personal
affairs." *Unless Bronco decides this is the time to contact you to play for
Can't keep his word on a four year commitment. Young ladies, he might not be
able to keep otherlong term commitments.
This is just another excuse for classless utah fans to trash BYU. As a USU
alumni who could blame Nelson, I was surprised he chose USU to begin with.
The Aggies have a great basketball tradition but their football program is dead
and has been for several years. Notice how Utah was never a consideration for
When Riley had all of his offers, there was only one school that promised to
give him a scholly so he could play football, BYU offered him a walk on spot,
UofU wanted to make him a safety. The only school to recruit him soley as a QB
was USU, BYU had no interest and no scholarship for him. Now that he got a year
under his belt at QB and has been on a mission, all of a sudden BYU offers a
scholarship. Sorry USU, I guess you should have never played him as a QB that
year, kept his redshirt and then he would have come back to USU, and not be
going to BYU. That is the sad part of it all, USU gave him his chance at QB
when no one else would, and this is how it turns out in the end. BYU did not
want Riley, but USU did, wow how things change. Yea, how happy is James Lark
now, I bet he has a lot of love for BYU.
whats byu gonna do with james lark?
BYU has never been set out to be the best graduate school in the state. They
are primarily an undergraduate school, and at that they are the best in the
state. And I do believe Nelson is an undergraduate.
Maybe some Aggie fan could enlighten me. I'm from Pocatello, ID. A few years
back, a kid from my ward signed with USU. He was the Idaho 5A player of the
year, and won a couple of state champs. His name is Cole Nielsen. I think he
redshirted his freshman year then went on a mission. I moved from Pocatello in
the meantime, so I wondered what ever happened to him as I have not seen his
name mentioned anywhere. Can anyone out there enlighten me?
You need to watch your little loving phrases like "stinkys" "terrible" or "sour
grapes" you wouldnt want people thinking your an "arrogant jerk" and a "poor
sport" now would ya!!!!!
The most reprehensible thing here is the scramble for the moral high ground.
People have made assertions ranging from Nelson is not a good missionary to BYU
proceeded illegally/unethically, without so much as a shred of evidence. No
more moral posturing, you don't know the situation, let the kid go where he
feels it is best to go.There is a lot of hostility towards Nelson
and comments that he is/was nothing special. Regardless of what your opinion
may be, he set national records. He literally replaced Tim Tebow's responsible
for touchdown record. That is something that not all quarterbacks have a claim
to.I love how people want to cite the undergraduate rankings from
the USNews as their closing statement in any academic argument for comparisions
between institutions. BYU is a great academic institutiion, but Utah State
awards more advanced degrees and is engaged in more research. The U,
considering both criteria, is perhaps the most impressive institution in the
lot.In summation: don't be judgmental, don't hate, and go to the U
Selfabsorbed in your little Utah red rivalary with people who attend school in
Provo. Face it how can you care outside of SLC about the utes!! Nobody can hear
your mickey mouse club tune fight song "THE UTAH MAN" You proved the point of a
one way who cares rivalary.
keep recruiting 5'9 QB's, the more the better.
Let me guess none of us know the facts but you do!.typical!.
I cannot belive you utah fans think BYU did something wrong. You are just mad
he did not go to Utah, so quit balling and realize BYU is the best school in the
state and bronco is the best coach the state of utah has ever seen, with the
exception of the great Lavell Edwards. Bronco has so much class and is a
tremendous person, how could anybody not like him. oh ya Utah fans because they
hate the fact that somebody can be such a great person and a great coach.
Unlike that loser at Flordia.
...are now Riley Nelson lovers??I'm a BYU fan, but I just don't
understand why the same folks who were so passionate about hating Ben Olson for
transferring from BYU during his mission are now so excited about another QB
transferring to BYU during his mission. But unfortunately that is
the sad state of most BYU fans... hypocrites!
NO! I realize Utah State hasn't been that great lately, but does anyone know why
Elder Nelson didn't go to the Y in the first place? Was he offered a scholarship
and turned it down, or is the Y just all of a sudden interested in him?Just as a side note: I always told my missionaries to obey the rules at all
times and good things will happen. I guess it remains to be seen what will
happen with Elder Nelson. Good Luck Elder!
fact 1/ not illegal, no ncaa sanctions2/ BYUdoes need a qb in
2010>3/ why should nelson play where he might get two or three wins per
season4/ BYU did nothing wrong no law against it 5/ NCAA will
never change the grey shirt rule, does not effect that many student/athleteso what's the big deal, I dont see the the NCAA getting involved. So quit yer
bellyaching let the kid play where he he wants, nobody broke any rules.....
I wonder why Riley did not wait until after October 3rd to stab the Aggies in
the back by signing with the evil empire. You would think the kittens would want
to get out of Romney Stadium with a win. Way to throw fuel on the fire Bronco
Those of you who think you know everything are starting to really irritate those
of us who do!
I've seen this kid play football many times...I honestly see a mix of steve
young and Brandon Doman in him. Hes got toughness and the ability to get the job
done and will use his feet when needed. And I saw somewhere that someone said
Riley has no arm...Thats a lie for one, and another thing. Max Hall's arm
strength is about the same as Rileys and look at the success he had. I see Riley
Redshirting for Max's senior year and stepping into QB U! Generation Next of BYU
Greatness is only beginning...We are still filtering out a few more of Crowtons
recruits, once we have pure Mendenhall recruits then expect greatness...
Why do you think other fans have a problem with BYU sometimes? Guys
like you give Y fans a bad name pal.
How is it that "The Utah State Aggies and the Utah Utes are completely living in
there owen vacum of reality"? (Nice spelling by the way genius)Obviously USU's program stinks. There are a handful of Aggies that make a
little noise, you see a little of it on this thread - but it's mostly sour
grapes. Most of us know the program is terrible. Just try to be a
good sport about it. Comments I've seen on this web site the last couple of
days like "go pitch some hay", or "go grow some corn", or "USU is the new Ricks
- a farm team for BYU" are not necessary. Those types of comments fuel the
perception with a lot of fans from a lot of schools that BYU players, students,
and fans are arrogant jerks. I know it's hard but just try to have
some class, ok?
Anyone know the phone number to James Lark's mission president? Apparently it's
allright to recruit proselyting missionaries. Lark might be interested in
hearing how Mendenhall's commitment to "not recruit another quarterback from the
same graduating class" has been honored. BYU stop pretending you are any
different than any other institution. Hypocites!
I'm a BYU fan and have even had season tickets in the past, but this just seems
wrong on BYU's part. There are a lot of people on here trying to explain that
what BYU did isn't wrong. If something isn't wrong, it doesn't need an
explanation. If someone has to try to convince you that a certain action isn't
wrong, then it's wrong. Correct actions need no explanations.
I always find it interesting that Bronco (or Biff as our family refers to him)
has the authority to contact a missionary in the field. Yes, I know other people
can justify it all they want, but as a missionary they agree to put all that
aside and concentrate on their mission. Biff and Elder Nelson were both wrong in
doing this. Too bad the mission president saw it differently. Other families
don't get these same privliges. Isn't it funny how Biff brags up all his
returned missionaries one day and the next he's out recruiting them? Whay to set
a great example BIFF.
Regarding Ben Olson - Any fan of any school would be upset if the #1 rated
quarteback transfered to another school. To call BYU hypocritcal because they
were upset when Olsen transfered is, well, hypocritical.The "holier
than thou" element out there who claim there is not a place in missionary life
to plan for one's future simply has no idea what it is like to be a missionary.
ALL MISSIONARIES take time to prepare for their future while on their mission.
NO MISSIONARY spends 24 / 7 focusing solely on missionary work. That is why a
missionary is given a p-day, to do things other than missionary work. It sounds to me like Elder Nelson considered his options, made a decision and
is now ready to move on with the rest of his mission. The whole process might
have taken, well, ONE p-day. Sounds pretty efficient to me.All of
you preaching about the hypocrisy of BYU, Coach Mendenhall, or Elder Riley need
to back off because YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS.This is just another
opportunity to show your hatred of BYU. Well, talk is cheap. You hate BYU that
much? Then beat us ON THE FIELD.
The Utah State Aggies and the Utah Utes are completely living in there owen
vacum of reality. Only in the "Aggie" & " Ute" world is there a rivalry with
BYU. The majority of "Y" students are not from Utah let alone Salt Lake City and
Logan. The BYU student learns about the other schools when they arrive in
Provo. Wow, Provo, Sal Lake City and Logan Utah its all small town USA!!!! But I
love it GO COUGS..
I have learned by experience that football is the greatest game in the world!
Why? Because of all sports, football most emulates real life. To be good at the
game, one must play it with their heart. Football doesn't build character, it
reveals it. One must persevere over pain, fatigue and bad breaks, more so than
in basketball or baseball. Basketball is too much controlled by referee's
"judgement" calls and baseball is really only a pitchers game. Football is a
pure game with but one judgement call;pass interferance. Football is a man's
game. Only really men need apply! Maybe that is why BYU is usually very good at
football; lots of real men on campus! Also, the co-eds are prettier and are real
women! They make wonderful wives and mothers! I know this from experience too!
Elder Nelson will fit in very well at BYU.
BYU did nothing to violate any NCAA rules and Riley followed the protocol set
forth by his mission president. What exactly is the problem? So you
hate BYU... join the club. I'm sorry but no matter how much you want it to, this
"event" just doesn't mean that BYU is evil or hypocritical. The kid made his own
decision based on what was best for him. All of you would have done the same
thing is his stuation, and if you disagree you're just lying to yourself.
Re: Watch out Cougars!It's remotely possible but highly improbable.
I just hope that Utah State can do better in the WAC this year. I'd love to
see some them become a power in the WAC. Unfortunately, the fans in Logan
aren't backing up their team. Home attendance was less than 12,000 in 2006.
How can a team improve with that kind of fair weather fan base? Here at
Kentucky we had a few seasons in which there were only a few wins but attendance
still average over 50,000. I don't think its a coincidence that the teams with
a large fan base have regular periods of success. I think Nelson also
understands this principle. Anyway, good luck Nelson - hope you excel as a BYU
QB! Go Cougs, Cats!
Alright bro. I'm a Utah fan and I'm a LDS. That being said, Riley was the one
who contacted the BYU coaches via his dad's Email. And he had to get permission
from his mission pres. Although I think that the coaches should have just said,
"You have more important things to do." The decision to transfer is an emotional
soul searching step that should be made when you get home. But the coaches
weren't the ones contacting him. He was contacting them. Still doesn't matter
though. Because USU has no athletic program (no you don't have basketball- which
star player just graduated again???) And as for BYU, good luck at RES baby! UR
GONNA NEED A WHOLE LOT OF IT!!! No more "Magic Happens!" GO
Hall, Doman, Beck, do not equal: Young, McMahon,BoscoTwo super bowls and
an NCAA Championship.Where have you been, there has not been a GREAT
return missionary QB period.As far as academics BYU: the Oral
Roberts of the West
remember all this talk about how a person has a right to go where he wants when
he wants when Fisher and the Lakers come to town. Remeber thiis when Ben Olsen
and UCLA comes to town. Total hypocrites!.
USU is a good school. It has some of the best programs in the state in certain
fields. My cousin who was accepted to BYU, chose instead to go to USU for a
scholarship in a field that happens to have more notoriety at that university.
But as a whole, BYU is the most sought out university in the state
of Utah. BYU has the toughest admittance standard. And if we are talking
football, BYU has the best program of late. (My cousin still cheers for BYU
football first). For whatever it's worth, as a whole, this all backs the fact
that BYU is the most noteworthy school in the state of Utah. So if you hate
that BYU is a more elite college than USU, who cares. A fact's a fact. I'm sad for those who don't understand how a mission fits in a person's
life. Who says Riley isn't completely focused on missionary work? Does God
still not answer his prayers regarding his continuing personal growth both
during and after a mission? Are preparation days and missions in general not a
good time to bless and prepare the individuals themselves? What of his progress?
I remeber the words of my younger brother when he arrived at the "05" Pine View
vs. Logan High finals late into the first quarter he whispered to me so no other
Pine View fans could hear, " Hey Pine View shouldn't feel to bad because no
highschool team can matchup with the 49er's"Good luck Riley, the sky
is now truely the limit !!!!
Just so you guys remember....USU will beat BYU in Romney stadium 31-28 this
the whole 3-A debate is stupid, Logan is the largest 3A school in the state, and
Riley destroyed the 5A state champs his senior year. as for the
whole BYU, UofU and USU debate... USU people, your probably only going to win 2
games next year anyways, your going to suck for another 10 years, Riley wouldn't
change the fact that the school has a horible football program. (BTW i hate
BYU)also, i played football for logan when riley was there. he is a
great team leader who only wants to win, him choosing BYU is only smart because
they can win games and also have a decent school.
ben olsen/fisherYou hit the nail on the head. You join us you are a hero.
You leave us your the enemy. Its that simple. So get over it Yewts. We will take
any and all missionaries that make the cougars better.
'Has there ever been a great BYU QB that was a returned missionary: Young,
McMahon, Bosco, Gifford,Detmer,Shide, help me here?.'Wow,
where have you been the last few years? Ever hear of John Beck, or Max Hall, or
even Brandon Doman? Welcome to the new century.And as for academics,
take a look at US News' Rankings. BYU is tied for #79, and let's see.... USU
is... USU is....well, darn, they're on on there. Well, better luck next year.
Yes, some BYU fans think we're in the top 25 academically, but to say USU is
above us academically is comical. It's a great school, but don't kid
I had the opportunity of doing my undergraduate work at USU and my graduate work
at BYU. Both were great institutions and had their own strengths and
weeknesses. What is dissapointing is the fact the this is a story about
football, not which school is better. 90% of the negative, elitist, snobby
comments come from BYU fans. A message to you BYU posters: This is the reason
why people absolutely hate BYU and their sports programs. I'm almost embarassed
to say I went to BYU. Grow up and start practicing what you preach....
Should Bronco really be interrupting missionary work to recruit kids from other
programs? I can't imagine his church supports this behavior. This strikes me
as quite hypocritical of Bishop Bronco.
Commitment writes:"I love how Bronco only expects players to honor their
commitments to BYU."So bitter. So sad.Who says BYU
contacted Nelson and tried to get him? Perhaps Nelson initiated the contact.
What's BYU supposed to say? "Sorry, you already played with another school, we
don't accept transfers." Don't be foolish.I'm not an athlete, but I
was a great student. I had all kinds of offers from colleges in my senior year.
But my folks live in Riverside. My first year of college I went to UCR (the
smallest UC school, doesn't even have a football team) on academic scholarship.
Stayed at home. Saved $$. Prepared for mission.During the mission,
there were times that I wondered what to do in post-mission life. I decided that
I wanted to attend BYU. My sister was at BYU. I asked her to help me transfer
and help me arrange housing. What's a guy supposed to do? Come back with no
plans and then wait a year? You have to apply ahead of time ...Having things planned helped me focus on missionary work.Quit
being so critical. Let the guy plan his life. Let him live his life.
The only question I have is who is going to fill in the gap after Hall leaves
the Y this year for the NFL? Nelson won't be playing until the 2010 season.
Who is the backup right now??
He may have had every high school record in the book but if he was so great as
you say why didn't anyone want him outside of Utah. Every little town in America
has a player that sets every record in the books for their state, that's no big
deal. Throwing five extra touchdowns when the game is already over doesn't make
you a great player. It just pads stats.
"I wish people would honor commitments they have made."What
commitments are you talking about???People change jobs. People
change schools. Situations change. Schools and Businesses change
based on their needs. Why shouldn't an individual have that same option? Well
they do. What Riley did was exercise his agency. Nothing wrong here at all.I feel bad for Utah State. I wish the program would get strong again.
Hire Merlin Olsen. That might be a start!
...Doman, Beck, Hall...seems to be trend here. I guess with all the
U fan preaching about integrity they are now going to stop texting and emailing
BYU recruits after they have verbally commited to the cougs. I'm sure somehow
they'll justify that too...
TO BASKETCASEOf course - just like most BYU fans - if anyone disagrees
with you - they are wrong. Get a Life1
This has nothing to do with BYU or USU. I just think that the NCAA, while
making a special exception for religious missions and military service, should
only apply that exception to years of eligibility. Just because you choose to
join the army doesn't mean you should get to transfer schools. I have to wonder
how many young LDS youth choose to serve missions (at that particular time) just
so they can get out of their scholarship commitment to one school and transfer
to another. Going on a mission or serving a tour of active duty should mean you
get to keep your eligibility (as it currently does) but also that you shouldn't
be released from your commitment to a particular school. That would be better
overall for collegiate athletics. LDS athletes might take their school
commitment letter more seriously and schools might be more willing to make LDS
athletes more scholarship offers. Right now offering an LDS kid a scholarship
is a gamble because even after they sign, there's no guarantee the kid will ever
play for you because they can just transfer while on their missions. (Ben
Olson, Riley Nelson for example)
From the article in The Herald Journal (Logan) it doesn't sound like BYU had
much direct contact with Riley:"Keith Nelson said he was first
contacted by a couple of BYU coaches in early April [last month] after
Riley had been out for a year.Initially, there was some conversation
with (Logan head football) coach (Mike) Favero that BYU may have some interest
in Riley, Keith Nelson said. And through Mike, we came to know that BYU might be
interested and were wondering if Riley would be interested.So thats
where mom and dad came into play should we contact him about this potential
option for him? Since it was about him and his decision, we felt like it would
be appropriate, then we worked through his mission president.Needless to say, Riley was interested in becoming a Cougar.We gave
Riley what information he felt like he needed and he contacted us a week or two
afterward saying my stance is Ive come to a decision that I need to continue
with my mission work and make this decision and put that aside, Keith Nelson
explained. From there, hes gone ahead and made his decision."
To Anonymous | 1:32 p.m.In response to your response to my comments..The
majority of Aggie fans at the town hall meeting in Logan, held by USU athletic
director Scott Barnes, do not want to play BYU anymore in football unless it is
in a home and home series. BYU is a far cry from Notre Dame from a traditional
and historical standpoint. Playing 2 for 1 shows inferiority and I find it
rather amusing that BYU admits they are inferior to Notre Dame, although in
reality every rational college football fan already knows this. It is one thing
for the Aggies to lose to BYU playing on equal footing. Giving BYU extra home
games is ludicrous!! This kind of scheduling is what is dooming USU football and
causing great recruits, which USU rarely can attain, to leave Logan.
Everyone just settle down. Time for a fact check:1) Wasn't recruited by
BYU out of high school2) Played a couple good games as a freshman and a
couple of horrible ones3) May turn out to be a great player, may not (just
like every unproven recruit)4) BYU did nothing wrong "recruiting" him.
All athletes after they have been gone from their schools more than 1 year can
be recruited.5) Fans are never consistent. Ben Olsen will always be
called ungrateful, a traitor, lacks integrity, while Riley Nelson is grateful,
smart, looking out for what is in his best interest.6) This will happen
to another BYU player some day that has played for the Y and then received
another offer while on their mission. 7) Remember----This is only
Mountain West Conference football. You know, the conference with a total of 9
drafted football players.
I remember attending the 3A state championships (the game started right after my
beloved Skyline won their most recent state championship). I wanted to see Pine
View play, mostly so I could see their QB Lark and their kicker (I'm blanking on
his name right now, but I remember he put on a pre-game show by setting up the
tee at his own 40 yard line and making a few pre-game field goals). As a Cougar
fan, I wanted to see what the recruits would do in a big place like Rice Eccles.
Lark and Pine View had a tough night. Nelson, however, was playing
out of his mind. I remember asking my grandpa (who was there with me grew up in
Cache Valley) if he knew anything about this kid. He told me that he thought he
had heard that Nelson was going to be playing college baseball instead of
football (somebody please correct this if we were wrong).All I know
is that the kid played the best championship game I've ever seen, against an
opponent that was equal to or better than most of the 5A teams that year. Best
of luck to riley and the Cougars!
I can't believe that the coaches at BYU are recruiting guys while they are still
on their missions."Nelson and BYU coaches have communicated through
e-mail and came to an understanding about Nelson transferring to BYU."How is a missionary supposed to focus on the Lord's work if he is fielding
emails from Pony & company.That is just wrong on so many levels.
Thanks for farming players and then allowing them to transfer to the big
To BYU no better; Again you do not know what you are talking about. You imagine
the "Y" calling Riley, hounding him etc..or what? The facts are that BYU's
communications have been filitered and measured not casually or merely over the
last few weeks, but on going for years. Riley is on the hit list for a number of
schools, BYU know's that, also BYU is keenly aware that the NCAA has an 18 month
"siiting out" clause and that Riley is fair game for any school while he is on
an LDS mission or off with the Red Cross or any other volunteer organization.
Finally, come on, BYU standards compared to other D1 schools??
"As to your question about why Jim McMahon's records don't stand anymore, try
doing a little research. If you're at all objective, you'll quickly learn that
he had an absolutely amazing junior year."Hmm, I thought we were
talking about high school records here. I don't think it's fair to make a
comparison until Nelson finishes his junior year in college. And as far as
research goes, I took a look at the Deseret News high school records this
afternoon. I don't think I saw McMahon's name once. Ouch, for you and for him.
Maybe it's you who needs to stay do a little research. See, the
original argument here was Nelson being the best high school football player in
state history. Based solely on the HS record books, among other criteria, he
buries McMahon. Will Nelson have the same college and pro career as Jim?
Realistically, probably not. But, my original argument remains. No one, not
even Havili, touches Nelson when it comes to the high school ranks in the state
of Utah. If you disagree with me, you are wrong.
I'm sure that BYU would be willing to put all missionaries off limits to
recruiting, if all other schools would do the same. Unfortunately, that will
never be the case.As to not making life decisions while you're on
your mission, that may work for some decisions, but not if you're planning on
changing football programs. Years of planning go into putting a major college
football team together.If someone like Riley wants to play
quarterback at BYU, he has to make that decision as early as possible so that
BYU has time to work him into their plans. Waiting until after his mission to
contact BYU could very easily eliminate any possibility for Riley to transfer to
BYU.The same could be said for any major university football
program.Those saying that missionaries shouldn't make life-changing
decisions while they're still serving missions are simply naive about the real
For all you people out thier that say this is wrong about Riley Nelson getting
stolen away from USU. Get over it!! What would you do if BYU came calling? Lets
see USU or BYU? No brainer I think I will go to BYU. BYU 28 and 10 over the last
3 years. 2 and 1 in bowl games the last 3 years. Mountain west Champs the last 2
years. Ranked in the top 15 in some magazines to start the 08 season. Considered
to be the frontrunner for a non-bcs school to be in a bcs bowl game for 2008. I
am not really sure but I think USU is about 5 and 33 over the last 3 years, with
a coach I think that will be fired after another 2 and 10 season this coming
year. I don't think Riley deliberated all that long about it. This is a talented
kid and I think the year Logan won the 3-A title they could have beaten the
four, and 5-A champs they were that good. In my humble opinion I think BYU got
another Steve Young type.
I am glad that he is coming to BYU but I do wish these guys would honor
commitments they have made. With that said when a player leaves to go on a
mission the team does not have to honor the scholorship they gave him. So he
could come home and Utah State tell him to take a hike, not likely I know. Max
Hall left Arizona St based on the fact that he saw promises made not looking to
be kept, he left.
How long are we going to keep Guy around, this is another example of why he
needs to be let go.
Havilli is a running back Riley is QB of course Havilli is going to take more
punishment. He can't stand back and throw the ball. Also everything with Riley
was based on if's and but's. If he were talller, if he did this if he did that.
All I kknow is Havilli is the real deal and should win a National Championship
here soon. Something Riley will never see.
There is NOTHING dishonest or immoral about any young man, returned missionary
or not, making a decision about his future based on his own self-interest.How many of the hypocrits out there have changed schools, changed
careers, moved to a different state, simply because they thought it would be
best for themselves or their family?If Riley Nelson, or Ben Olsen,
or Shawn Bradley, decides to pursue a different course after his mission, it's
really none of our business as fans.Sure, we, as sports fan can feel
disappointed. But to accuse a young man of being dishonest because he didn't
honor his "commitment" to our favorite sports team is hypocrital and selfish.
I graduated from BYU and USU, so I'm conflicted. He's an obvious talent, but he
is small for big time football. Maybe he's grown on his mission. There are two
things I don't like about this situation. The first is BYU recruiting the kid
on his mission. As a missionary you are taught to forget the world and go to
work. If he contacted BYU, then the coaches should have told him to come talk
with them when he gets home. Second, when I left on my mission my brother
advised me to not make any major life decisions while I was gone. He told me to
focus on the work, and the Lord would bless me when I got home. I know this
isn't always possible, but I think it helped me in many ways. A lot of people
on here are saying that BYU didn't technically do anything wrong, and other
schools do it. This is all true, but BYU prides itself on being different from
other schools. I know that coaches at BYU are under just as much pressure to
win as coaches at every other school, but it should keep recruitng out of the
"To the McMahon fan, thanks for digging up a fossil. I can't compare the two
because Jim played high school ball before I was born. However, if McMahon was
so great, why don't his records still stand?"If you don't know
anything about Jim McMahon, then you obviously don't know enough about Utah
sports to be saying that Utah has never produced any great football players.Ever heard of the Olsen brothers?As to your question about
why Jim McMahon's records don't stand anymore, try doing a little research. If
you're at all objective, you'll quickly learn that he had an absolutely amazing
What is all the fuss is about this story?? BYU gets an unproven QB (one college
game win doesn't make the player- remember Steve Young's little bro BYU fans).
Utah St has been horrible the last decade. BYU fans are acting like Tim Tebow
just signed with their team. Nelson could go no where but up from USU. BYU
coaches are acting like the move happened thru osmosis. Dick Harmon is more
giddy than after BYU's win over Utah last November. Utah is a strange place if
you ask me. Outside of Logan, SLC and Provo nobody cares except maybe Nelson's
missionary companion who's work was put on hold while Nelson burnt up the Lord's
time working this out. Good luck to the boy as he lines up in BYU's QB que.
I'm a BYU fan who lives outside of Utah. I don't follow HS football in Utah or
Utah State so I'd never heard of this kid until I saw this article. As a BYU
fan, I hope he does well for the Cougs.Although I understand the
disappointment that some Utah State fans are feeling at this news, this is just
part of the problem when dealing with players who go on missions. First of all,
these kids are not compensated nearly enough for the amount of money and
attention they bring to their universities. They're also young, so let's give
them a little bit of a break.Also, they don't commit to a school for
4 years just as the schools don't commit to the players for 4 years. Lots of
things can and do change where a player will transfer or a school will pull a
scholarship.Part of the risk of letting players go on missions is
that some will transfer. Over the years, BYU has lost as many (maybe more)
players to transfers than it has received.It has nothing to do with
morality or right/wrong. It's just people making the best decisions for
"BYU and the MWC, irrelevant..."You care or you wouldn't have read
the article. Go find an SEC blog if you're so bored reading about BYU
football.All of the major sports stations and magazines are
intrigued with the potential success of BYU's football team this coming season,
so obviously, your opinion just shows that you're either extremely biased or
you're not completely honest about your own interest in BYU football.
Having BYU recruit a missionary is really bothering me. First of all, I would
hope that Riley was focussed on his mission and not football for the past year!!
It bothers me that his mission president would allow contacts from a school,
and that BYU would then contact him. I know that BYU has complained about this
practive from other schools in the past. However, it now seems to me that BYU
has no grounds for anymore complaining. They have now set the standard. It
seems to me that if another school wants to contact a missionary like this, the
mission presidents will now need to allow that contact just like they did here.
In fact, BYU has a couple of QBs on missions right now. Perhaps USU should be
contacting them to see if they would rather play at USU rather than competing
for a spot against Riley!!. It think BYU and this mission president have just
opened up PANDORA's BOX.
fans don't know anything outside of Utah. Why are they making this a big deal?
He barely had any offers, and he may have gotten the one to Utzh state because
he was player of the year or whatever. There are thousands of 5'11 or short Qb's
who could play.
To: BYU ...| 12:30 p.m.BYU does have higher recruiting standards
than most schools and there was NOTHING dirty about BYU recruiting Riley when
Riley initiated the contact.To: Anonymous | 12:27 p.m."It makes absolutely no sense for USU to play BYU in that scenario."It does if you're an Aggie fan and want to see the Aggies play BYU.BYU has no obligation to play Utah St. Just as BYU willingly
accepted several 2 for 1 deals with Notre Dame, because BYU wanted to play Notre
Dame, USU accepted the 2 for 1 deal with BYU because the Aggies wanted to play
BYU.I know most USU fans still consider BYU to be a huge rival, but,
BYU is 25-3 vs USU since 1975 and many BYU fans were becoming bored with a
rivalry that wasn't that exciting anymore.For most BYU fans, playing
in Logan is a lose-lose situation, a road game where the best you can do is win
a game that you're expected to win. Given the current state of the
Aggie football program, why would BYU fans want to see any games played in
Mr. "I'm am Aggie, I've always been and Aggie and I Always will be an Aggie"
Riley Nelson is like every other self-serving athlete these days who is only
concerned with their own interests. And Bronco Mendenhall should quit preaching
about integrity and commitment. If he had either, he would have allowed Riley
to complete his mission and at least return to his hometown before he dispatched
recruiters to start bugging his high school coach and parents about Riley
breaking his commitment to USU and joining with the "stripling warriors" at BYU.
I'm LDS and I want to puke right now. What fine values we're teaching about
5'9" or 5'10 or somehting like that.
This isn't just a Bronco issue, this is has been going on at BYU for a long time
now. The names Gary Furniss and Brian Ruffner come to mind. BYU seems to think
that any athlete on a mission is fair game for them to recruit, no matter where
he is currently going to school.
"As for USU better preparing you for your doctoral studies, your opinion of the
superiority/inferiority of either school's academic excellence is baseless."Just for your information, my opinion is not baseless. I'm just sharing
a little of my experience outside of BYU. I have a lot of experience at BYU (as
a professor), and I think it is a very good school (which I would have written
before if I were allowed more words). I just don't think it is as good as some
of the BYU fans think, and I certainly do not think it is better than most other
universities. However, it has its role for some people.As for the
person you know, I do not doubt that. That description could describe MANY
people I know from BYU, USU, and many other colleges and universities, including
community colleges. I am just bothered by the arrogant students who think they
are better than others because they attend BYU, and believe me, there are
many.My main disgust with this situation is BYU not encouraging
someone to keep his commitments when that is something they purport to believe
in so strongly.
Some Coug fans need to take it easy on our Aggie brethren. We wouln't like this
either had it happened to us. (Ben Olson) Remember the USC running back that
chose the Trojans over BYU. He even dropped his plans to go on a mission to
play football for Pete Carroll. (ouch!!) I just don't get the unethical charges
very much. Missionaries can now call their parents occasionally and seem to
have some limited contact with the big bad world. For me this is more a case of
someone wanting to play for a successful, established program. Hang in their
Aggie fans. Your football program is improving, albeit painfully. Success
breeds success. Just ask Stu.
From the article it sounds as if Riley Nelson got permission from his Mission
Pres. to talk to B.Y.U before they contacted him and there is nothing wrong with
that. Also all missionaries know their service is for a specific time so it is
common sense for them to think about what they will do after they finish their
service. It sound to me that people get upset when they see someone transfer
from a losing program to a winning program which happens a lot in sports so all
you whiners just get over it and good luck to Riley at B.Y.U.
Regarding the Havili/Nelson comparison, think about this: Watching Havili was
like watching a construction worker pound on a concrete wall. Routine,
laborious, yet brutally effective. I don't doubt Havili's greatness. I saw him
dominate both sides of the ball as a junior in a state playoff game. But watching Nelson was like watching a puppeteer working a stage full of
marionettes. It was like he was always a step ahead, toying with the opposing
11 players. His performance almost looked effortless, compared to Havili's.
That's where the magic is. And Nelson isn't half the physical specimen Havili
is. If Nelson had a few more inches tacked on, he would have been a national
recruit, no problem. To the McMahon fan, thanks for digging up a
fossil. I can't compare the two because Jim played high school ball before I was
born. However, if McMahon was so great, why don't his records still stand?
Nelson wasn't that impressive. Remember, he had to earn his starting spot from
Leon Jackson halfway through the season. He won two whole games and got crushed
all the other games he played. This past season's team was even much better
(despite still only winning 2 games). He's just a hometown hero and that's why
some Aggies are disappointed. Still seems kind of crooked the way BYU and
whatever church officials went about it. Kind of shows you where their
priorities lie. BYU football > honesty and values!
Has there ever been a great BYU QB that was a returned missionary: Young,
McMahon, Bosco, Gifford,Detmer,Shide, help me here?.
With the way Utah States program has been going lately who wouldn`t want out of
BYU is the premier football program in the state of Utah. I would have
transfered too. Utah State is about as good as Southern Utah, and Nelson is
good as any BYU football player. This is a no brainer.The fact he
was on a mission Doesn't bother me either. Its healthly to be thinking about
life after the mission every monday or so.. you can avoid becoming so ackward as
most missionaries do.
All you whining Utah fans can turn on each other now and leave the Lakers alone.
And for all you BYU fans that hated Fisher for going to the Lakers. Now you know
how it feels when people rip on you for Riley going to BYU.
6'0 from Texas is different than 5'9 from logan!.
I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH RILEY DOING WHAT HE THINKS IS BEST FOR HIM.
HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BRONCO - THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SHOWING OF THE
HYPOCRISY THAT MAKES SOME OF US "MEMBERS" EMBARRASSED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BYU.
BRONCO HAS SAID ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION; THOSE THAT CHANGE THEIR COMMITTMENT
(ONE SCHOOL TO ANOTHER) DON'T HAVE INTEGRITY, AND SO HE PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT
THEM ANYWAY. ALSO THAT HE DOESN'T GO AFTER THE SAME TYPE OF KIDS THE OTHER IN
STATE SCHOOLS GO AFTER. AGAIN - I AM ALRIGHT WITH RILEY'S DECISION - JUST WISH
SOMEDAY THE CRAP FROM BRONCO AND HIS GROUP WOULD END.
He's going to a good program. Although USU has been gradually pulling away from
the "unbranded" past. I hate to see everyone place so much of USU's future
success on this young man. There are still and will continue to be great young
men come into the USU program. There is plenty of room for improvement and I
know that there are athlete's out there that want to make a difference. They
will be the ones that will be recognized. Nelson, though small behind the BYU
O-line, would be an great Safety, DB. Unless BYU changes their offense to his
size as a runner he will have a hard time fitting into the current passing
threat of their game.
BYU and the MWC, irrelevant...
look at the picture the guys a midget.
I have no problem with BYU recruiting Nelson while on his mission. However, I
have a big problem with BYU portraying itself as having higher standards than
other schools then behaving like this. BYU is about winning at all costs just
like most other Division I schools. Just stop putting on a holy than though
front and then recruiting kids committed to other schools on their missions.
That is about as dirty of recruiting as there is.
To all those that are critical of BYU recruiting Riley while he's on his
mission: How do we know Riley didn't initiate the whole thing? With the sad
condition that is Utah State football and the recent dominance of BYU, he
probably sent a letter to Bronco asking to come play. I would have. So stop
being typical anti-BYU people, if the kid was going to your school, you'd be
happy and you know it. So get the facts or keep quiet.
I wonder if USU atletic director Scott Barnes knew about Riley's intentions when
he mentioned that Utah State may stop scheduling BYU in football since BYU only
signs 3 year contracts with USU, with 2 games in Provo for every game in Logan.
He made those scheduling comments just a few days ago in Logan in a meeting with
USU fans. How bad would that make the USU athletic department look to watch
Riley carve up his Aggies, especially in Romney Stadium. Nevertheless, the blame
should be thrown on Randy Spetman, since he is "The Great Athletic Director"
sought after by FSU, who unwittingly signed to play BYU two for one! I would
love to see BYU try to pull off a two for one with Florida State now that
Spetman is there! It makes absolutely no sense for USU to play BYU in that
scenario. USU would be better off playing any other Mountain West school besides
BYU in home and home series. Not to mention Utah, a university that should be
respected for playing a home and home series with the Aggies. I love the Aggies
but this is a huge loss and Guy is in trouble!
And you base all of your assumptions about the recruiting of Riley Nelson on
personal knowledge, or nothing more than your own personal bias.I
seriously doubt you've had any contact whatsoever with anybody involved in the
whole decision-making process, yet you throw out accusations as if you KNOW what
really occurred.As for USU better preparing you for your doctoral
studies, your opinion of the superiority/inferiority of either school's academic
excellence is baseless.I personally know one of the world's leading
scientistists in his field; a man who has published over a hundred articles in
scientific journals and has several U.S. patents; a man who was recently made a
Fellow at one of the top research facilities in the world; who got his
bachelor's degree at BYU.There are thousands and thousands of other
examples of BYU graduates who have gone on to achieve great success in their
Because you say so, we are supposed to believe you. I think I'll start all my
statements with "Lets get this straight". That will make it true!.
He should have stayed in Logan because by the time he gets back Guy and his run
oriented offense will be gone and maybe someone like John L Smith will be at the
helm (yes, I said John L Smith) The funny thing is that Riley's legs has always
been his ace in the hole. Is BYU suddenly going to become an option team? I
doubt it. Utah would have probably been a better fit for his tools.
I thought the article was about him transferring, do we really need to know he
had permission from his mission president to speak with the team. Come Harmon
focus on the story.
To the "RIGHTEOUS FLAG" comment, it's very interesting how informed individuals
proclaim to be concerning all the details and facts around others life
decesions. For the record Riley is an awsome missionary, he has not let personal
future plans interupte his work. So enough with all the selfrighteous dogma. You
do not know anything other then your selfendulgent imaginations. Only God knows
the thoughts and desires of someones heart, not you.
Okay, it doesn't say anywhere that he was getting e-mailed all the time by
recruiters, or that he was getting e-mailed by BYU regularly, or even that BYU
initiated the contact.It is quick possible (in fact probable) that
this kid or his family contacted BYU and informed the program of his intention
to transfer, and that BYU simply participated in the basic communication
required to confirm it, etc.There is a story in the transfer, but no
story at all in the fact that there was contact (likely minimal) with the kid
during his mission.
It is interesting that several years ago, Patrick Kinehan led a round table
discussion with four newly hired coaches in the state, namely: Bronco, Kyle, Ron
and B. Guy. Interestingly, they agreed on most everything until the subject of
recruiting kids on missions came up. Three of the four thought this was taboo,
Guy being the one who thought they were fair game. McBride and Edwards
apparently had a gentleman's agreement that they wouldn't go after each others
currently serving missionaires. I find it interesting that Bronco agreed that it
shouldn't be done (I guess unless it is a good quarterback) I'm guessing we will
here some generic platitudes in his familiar monotone about his lack of
involvement in this process. The bottom line, he allowed something to happen
that he stated he didn't think was right. He would be the first to tell you the
buck stops with him from a program standpoint. We generally call this hypocrisy.
In interest of disclosure I am a Utah man, the sad part is the kid will probably
never play as a coug. Utah State needed him far worse than the insurance policy
he represents to BYU.
>Wonder if his mission president would have okayed such communications if it
were USU trying to take him away from BYU?Of course not. Why would
he give the devil equal time? :)
i certainly remember a previous qb that was 6'0 from Texas that excelled, as
well as a very mobile "young" qb from back in the day. I guess we will just
have to find out in 2010 if he is the real deal.
As an Aggie fan I am dissapointed to see Riley leaving the program. I lived in
Logan while he was playing at Logan High and I saw him work and knew that he
could flat play. He was totally overlooked out of high school and I was super
exited when he decided to stay and play for the Aggies. Oh, well hopefully the
aggies can find another answer at quarterback.As far as the BYU
recruiting of missionaries goes I reiterate two important points:1)
Of course BYU uses their affiliation with the LDS church to gain a recruiting
advantage with LDS players. Why wouldn't they? To say that is somehow unfair
or improper is just sour grapes. 2) From first hand experience, I
can tell you nearly every college athelete who puts their education and
athletics on hold to serve a mission is going to have contact from coaches and
recruiters in some form on their mission. Depending on when the Missionary is
to return home in relation to the start of their athletic season and the NCAA
signing rules it is often necessary to address the issue while still serving.
Usually it is not a problem.
Not everyone who cheers for the Y assigned any blame to Ben Olsen when he
transferrred to UCLA. Many fans, myself included, understood his reasons. The
Cougar program was struggling under Crowton at the time and it must have looked
like the right decision then. Besides, BYU got along just fine with Beck and
Hall. So these blanket accusations of hypocrisy are nothing more than prejudiced
stereotypes. And all these suggestions that Bronco "went after" Nelson while
serving his mission are bogus. This kid expressed interest in transferring
BEFORE coaches from the Y began any dialog with him, and then only after
receiving permission from his mission president. So get off your high hater
horses and quit passing judgment (its funny how most Cougar haters accuse us of
being the judgmental "holier than thou" ones).And to Aggie fans: I
know how hard a blow this must be. I hope no Cougar fans try to rub it in and
taunt you. We went through this with Ben Olsen and know how it feels so we can
and should be empathetic. And who knows, it may be a blessing in disguise like
it was with Olsen.
For someone who professes to know alot about Utah athletics you are clueless.
Stanley Havilli has been at USC for two years and already has two Rose Bowl
rings as a starter. Rileys' choices out of high school was Snow, Utah State,
Dixie. Nothing against Riley but don't you dare put him above so many great
athletes that have come out of this state.
It's not about commitment or religion. It's about position. Take it from Steve
Spurrier: "Quarterbacks transfer," Spurrier said. "You sign three or
four quarterbacks. Maybe there's a better opportunity for those players to go
play somewhere else. That's what they should do."Max Hall and Ben
Olson know this. QB's change schools- that is just how it goes.
When Riley Nelson's mission president was called, he was working as a
vice-president at BYU. Of course he is going to allow him to correspond with BYU
about playing there and probably advise him to go there. I wonder if he would
have if it weren't to BYU--or someone who was considering transferring from BYU
to USU.BYU does not need Nelson. USU does. He has a much better
chance of having a great career at USU and becoming a legend for generations at
USU.I am disappointed that BYU would recruit someone or even offer a
scholarship to someone who had COMMITTED to USU (or anywhere) regardless of
where the interest began. I thought commitment was important to Mendenhall.I know that BYU students and alumni have a very high opinion of
themselves and their school, but it is not widely shared. Most view BYU as they
do Oral Roberts University. As a doctoral student at a Big Ten university, I was
so grateful that I had gone to USU and not BYU. USU is much more respected.
There are many of us who choose to go to other schools who could have taken your
slot at BYU.
Great! Now we get to watch another player from Utah play mid-major teams in a
Let's make this one thing clear: BYU does not have a recruiting
advantage when it comes to LDS missionaries. They do not seek out D-1 football
players who are serving missions, and are not privy to any "special list" that
these elders would supposedly be on. If they are contacted by the missionary
(which in this case they were), then the coaches take a look at him and decide
whether or not he is someone who would fit their program. If he is and they
believe it is the right fit they contact the Mission President to make sure that
their communication with the elder is ok. After receiving permission then they
contact the elder, not before. So, I understand all the bitterness
that comes along with this transfer (as us Coug fans went through it with Ben
Olsen), but get your facts straight before you spout off on something you know
very little or nothing about.
And I'm sure the spirit guided him 2 years ago to go to Utha State. Give me a
I'm 5'10" (barely) and he's maybe an inch taller than me. BYU told him in early
recruiting he was too small. Now all of a sudden he is 6'1" (nope) and just the
right size? Whatever.Given all of that...he is as smart as they come
and his arm is better than people think. He makes good decisions and makes
plays. He benefitted in the system he played in but he transcended the system.
He doesn't need a cannon arm for Anai's system, but he does need smarts and he
has that by the bushelful.I'm a huge Aggie fan and I hate that he
went to BYU but I don't blame him. Where football is concerned, that athletic
department is as inept as they come. It's like turning the keys to the kingdom
over to Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin. Were it not for Stew Morrill I'm sure
the Bball program would be in similar disarray. Hacks.A great player
will get noticed wherever he plays, that is true, but why blame the kid if he
can play somewhere that has real football and a chance at winning more than a
couple of games?
Riley chose to play for the Aggies for one reason, and one reason only before
his mission? ....He wanted to gain experience playing for the best JV team in
the state... before he returned from his mission and played QB for BYU!
I started my education at BYU. I liked some aspects of it and did very well but
all in all I preferred a few hours a week of institute rather than six per day
(all my classes seemed to have an aspect of Sunday School in the lectures). I
tranferred to Utah State and loved it. I met some great (and great looking) LDS
girls even though I was warned they did not exist outside the borders of Utah
County. I got good grades and went to the top law program in the nation in my
chosen specialty. I made these choices for me and my future and it worked out
well - and sadly not one of you cared or posted a single word in protest!!! Why
can't we just enjoy college athletics and athletes and stop putting it on some
pedestal that it does not deserve to be on. Nelson and Olson (and others) made
the choices they made for some of the same reasons I did. For those of you who
can't see that you really need to get a grip on reality!!
"How many other all-Americans has Utah produced on the football field?"ummm, Jim McMahon--arguably one of the best quarterbacks, if not
the best quarterback, among all of the outstanding quarterbacks that have played
for BYU--would have broken the record for breaking the most NCAA
records if there had been such a record (he broke something like 47 NCAA records
his junior year)--should have won the Heisman Trophy--did lead the Chicago Bears to a Super Bowl ChampionshipI'm
hoping Riley Nelson will be an outstanding quarterback at BYU, but until he
proves it on the field, he remains in the Ben Olsen category -- great potential,
but unrealized success.
RE: DoubtfulThere's no need to wonder. It's not likely a student
athlete were to transfer from BYU to USU for athletic reasons, and even if he
did he probably wasn't that good to begin with so it wouldn't be very
newsworthy.RE: Academic?Nobody cares about your
"academic" decision. This article is about Riley Nelson and his decision. The
reason your decision wasn't put in the newspaper is because you can't toss the
pig-skin around. So, again, no one cares about your decision to go to USU and
Cal. Good for you! Riley Nelson sees it differently and wants to win as a
football player, who can blame him?
I think it's sad that people are complaining about BYU's recruiting tactics. No
one knows the details. His dad couldn't even give a lot of details about the
decision. I guess if you're looking for faults in others you'll find them,
real or perceived. (Most of them are perceived.) Too many people take these
rivalries too far, and start making it personal. Austin Collie says he was
blessed for trying to do what's right on and off the field and Ute fan takes
that personally as meaning that Utes aren't doing what is right. Please, if you
need something to motivate you, look at what's happened on the field the last
two years. Finally, this decision by Nelson will take 4 or 5 years to
really show if it even matters."Time wounds all heals"
Yeah, I don't think the mission president would have allowed him to email any
other schools...Most missions have a "one-email per week rule" that I guess
doesn't apply to the kitties or their potential recruits
I hope he does not turn into the next Gary Furness, the Aggies Basketball player
that transphered after returning from his mission and seldom played he was also
Recruited while on his mission an advantage that only BYU can enjoy.I think this will become the new Jaycee Carrol rule BYU can't afford to have
am RM excell for another school, better to have him sit on the bench.
Put all the comments on. You lets the kitty faithful slam the aggies, but
refuse to put something on here that questions the loyalty and commitment of
Riley?? He committed to USU for FOUR year and he committed to a mission for 2.
Seems he's having trouble on both ends. I love it when we see these athletes go
on a mission and spend their time working everything out.Stay home,
be a good guy, and play football. Just honor ALL your commitments. It's our
whole society. Maybe USU was like a "starter marriage" for Riley!!!
I seriously doubt that BYU recruited Riley on his mission. My guess is that BYU
left the door open for him before he left and that for reasons only Riley knows,
he has made this decision, which was no doubt very difficult and wrenching for
him. I am a Y fan, but I love USU and the Aggies as well. I sincerely hope they
turn things around there. I also imagine that he WAS being written
all the time by Utah State to determine what his plans were, and that this was a
big distraction for him. I believe he consulted with his father and others he
loved, including the mission president, and felt that this needed to be done now
so he could concentrate on his mission. I felt bad when Olsen left,
and I know Aggie fans feel the same way about losing Riley, who by all accounts
is a class guy and an unbelievable competitor. I understand Olsen's reasons for
leaving, and I also understand Riley's reasons. We can second guess or disagree
about whether it was the right thing to do, but at the end of the day, it is the
I am disappointed Riley is leaving USU. He brought some excitement to Aggie
football fans. Thanks for the Fresno St. game. I wish you the best in the
future.As for ProvoCoug and some other BYU fans, your "holier than
thou" attitude is the reason people do not like BYU athletics. It sounds like
you need to listen more when you are at church.I am a true Aggie
fan. I will always cheer for them no matter how many games they win or lose. Go
The only thing questionable is your logic. LDS missionaries are fair
game for ANY school to recruit after they've been away from their school for 18
months.Please explain how this is a recruiting advantage for BYU?
Why should any school be prohibited from initiating contact with any
available athlete, period? And why should a missionary athlete be
forced to sit out a year after his mission, since after 18 months he is
officially released from his letter of intent and is free to sign with any team
he chooses?Why punish an athlete for serving a religious mission?
The same rules that apply to missionary service, also apply to
athletes who are called away for military service.
All the best to USU. It isn't fun to lose a player. BYU has lost its share.
But that is the name of the game. If I were Nelson I would have gone to USU
before the mission because of where BYU's program was at, and the log jam at QB.
He got valuable playing time at USU. After, I would consider just as he did,
whether I wanted to play for a winning program or for a losing one. And he will
likely get playing time at BYU under the current circumstances. Seeing how
Nelson would have likely chosen BYU before his mission if he would have seen
playing time, this isn't an illogical choice. BYU followed the
rules and its program now offers Nelson what he is looking for. That's it!
Missionaries are encouraged to plan for their best futures after their missions,
and their is no foul in that. If USU or anywhere else is a better fit for a BYU
player to leave to after his mission, that will always smart a little, but BYU
is running a program where we will retain players who want to play Bronco-style
football. We aren't missing Ben Olsen!
Pride cometh before the fall. JC Carroll did see the light, thats why he came to
Logan. And if you want to call BYU the best basketball program in the state, try
again. I guess we will find out this year because BYU actually had the guts to
schedule the Aggies. They probably wouldnt have if they knew Plaisted was
leaving. Too bad, I call for a butt whooping at the ESA ... by the Aggies that
Nelson's father is quoted as saying his son's decision to transfer was based on
"emotional, academic and athletic perspective", and that utimately the decision
to transfer to BYU was best for him. I can understand the athletic angle. I
have no idea about the emotional factor. But I don't get at all the academic
factor. After returning from a mission for the LDS Church, I twice decided to
decline academic scholarships offered by BYU in favor of opportunities at other
institutions. I decided to pursue undergraduate studies at Utah State and
graduate studies at the University of California. I made those choices based on
academic reasons. Although there are those at BYU who quake when the issue is
brought up, BYU continues to face perception, especially outside of Utah, that
it lacks academic, faculty, and student body diversity. That ultimately affects
that insitution's "academic" picture. Sure, that perception may be somewhat
unfair, and the admission standards for BYU remain high, but some have chosen to
pursue their academic training elsewhere, including Utah State, for the very
reasons BYU gets it academic knocks. The decision NOT to attend BYU was a good
academic and professional decision for me.
"It is nice to see that BYU uses the 2 years of missionary service to
recruit."A flat out lie...Bronco only started
communicating with Riley after he found out that Riley was interested in
transferring to BYU. Even then, Bronco had the courtesy to get the permission of
Riley's mission president before contacting him.I'm sure UCLA, like
most schools, never even considered contacting Ben Olsen's mission president and
I'm not even sure Utah St. or Utah would bother.BYU athletes are
constantly being recruited by other schools and BYU would be foolish if they
didn't stay in touch with their missionary athletes just to let them know that
they still want them coming back to the program. But, to my
knowledge, BYU does not activily recruit missionary athletes from other schools
during their missions unless those athletes have expressed an interest in being
contacted by BYU.
He did see the light.He was 2-1 versus the kitties AND Dave Rose
didn't want to play him his senior year!!!
As a Cougar fan this is exciting, but I do feel for the Aggies. My wife went to
USU and besides the Cougars I root for the Aggies. I hope that the program can
I was really looking forward to seeing USU start to climb out of the basement of
the WAC when Nelson came home. I am dissapointed, but it is his life. Nelson
would have helped this suffering program. However, he has been gone for a
while now on his mission. MAYBE he has been tricked into going to BYU because
BYU wears AGGIE BLUE!!! Those Cougars are tricky!
You guys obviously missed the point in my original post. Let's try again. To
the first guy to refute me, I agree that it takes a team effort to make a
winning team. That's pretty obvious, right? No one ever doubted that. But to
say that one person doesn't make a difference is pure ignorance. Take Kobe off
the Lakers this season. They wouldn't have even made the playoffs. I can give
similar examples all day. To the second doubter, nice reference with Cael
Sanderson, who was a world-class wrestler in high school, but please, since
there are so many other athletes who dominated more than Nelson, how about an
example. You won't be able to give any. How many other all-Americans has Utah
produced on the football field? Heck, in any sport. Shawn Bradley, Garner
Meads...and Nelson. Meads didn't shatter the record books, and Bradley only did
because he's a freak. Pound for pound, Nelson is the best Utah high school
football player in the state's history. Period. And by the way, I was
correspondent until I walked away from it, by choice.
Rise and Shout Riley Nelson Wanted Out (as an Aggie). This is great news. I
guarantee the Spirit guided him in his decision. Now all of you Aggies fans can
have something else to moan and complain about until football season begins.
Maybe you can use him as a scapegoat for your pathetic football program. That is
if you can even call it a football program. Can't wait to beat you by 50 in
Logan this year. To bad JC Carroll never saw the light. Then again it does not
matter because BYU has the best basketball program in the state.
Mis directed energy,Yeah, we are really sad about our two latest
QB's out of Arizona, and so sad about this pickup of arguably the best QB in the
nation if TD's count for anything--oh yeah, they do. Duh!
I can't help but see this as BYU using the LDS Church (which runs BYU) as a
recruiting tool that isn't available to other schools. If a kid is going to
serve an LDS mission and get a two year waiver from the NCAA, schools should be
prohibited from initiating contact with that athlete while they are on their
mission. I also think the NCAA should change rules to make it so
that serving a religious mission (LDS or not) shouldn't be the easy-out of a
scholarship commitment. The waiver for religious reasons should only apply to
eligibility, not to commitment. Riley *should* be forced to sit out a year of
football for transferring schools, as *should* have Ben Olson.
"He is a great athlete, but not an elite quarterback. He simply does not have
the size or the strength to be successful at the college level."The
exact same thing could be said about Ty DetmerAll he
accomplished during his career at BYU was beating the defending national
champions and #1 ranked team, Miami, breaking most of the NCAA career passing
records, and winning the Heisman Trophy.
Too bad the BYU coaches do not seem to look for talent much beyond the Utah
state line...Plenty of 6'4 230 lb QB out there, just ready to wear the blue.
I'm an Aggie fan through and through and would have loved to see Nelson stay.
But if I were in his shoes I would have done the exact thing.
Wonder if his mission president would have okayed such communications if it were
USU trying to take him away from BYU?
Anyone that calls this kid a quitter doesn't deserve him on their team. He is
one of the gutsiest HS players I have ever seen. USU has not been able to offer
him a chance to compete with an outclassed offensive line, remember how bad Colt
Brennan was against superior competition? One guy cannot do it at this level.
BYU has talent that will allow him to compete. This solidifies even more the
next three years of quality QB's at the Team down South, any fellow Ute fan that
isn't at least a little concerned hasn't seen him play enough, His mobility in
the spread at the U could've been a good fit.
Well QB Nelson was my comp in the mish and i'll tell you that there isnt anyone
else who has more dedication then him. That kid has success at everything he
does, and I garentee he will through it down for BYU!!
Aggie fans need to be realistic. Brent Guy has shown zero progress in the three
years he has been in Logan. Why would Nelson want to return to a program that
just had their head coach fired (which will happen at the end of this season).
I hate seeing our good players leave, especially to BYU. That being said, can
you blame him?!In my mind this is not Nelson being a traitor, it's a case
of USU ineptitude in advancing their football program. You can only blame your
bad fortune on being an independent for so long! You're in a decent conference
now so play like you belong. Disgruntled Aggie Fan
In your comment, "How will he do vs. PAC 10 or other top caliber teams?" You
are suggesting that BYU has top caliber teams that they play against. I don't
know that Northern Iowa and Washington would be considered "top caliber". It's sad that USU couldn't keep him there in Cache Valley. How do you
lose out on Rod Tueller's grandson? The kid has USU connections and they let
him slip away. That is unacceptable! USU needs to take a hard look at
itself.He was the only bright spot for Aggie football.He
would have a better chance to turn pro staying in Logan (see 2008 NFL draft).Also, it is BYU's own Dick Harmon who said that he was a Parade
All-American QB. He is trying to make it sound better, we at USU know better.
I am very desappointed. As a life ling Aggie fan I am dissappointed that Riley
made this decision but I just don't know who I am dissapointed with. Am I
disappointed with BYU, Missionaries, Mission Presidents, the Aggies, his
parents, etc. Are the Aggies that bad? NO! Are the Cougars that good? NO! Is
there a problem between Coach Guy and the Nelson's? I will will root for Riley
to do well but I will NEVER root for BYU to do well. RILEY, this is just a
verbal. YOU CAN STILL COME BACK TO THE TRUE BLUE AGGIES!!!
my only concern is his size (barely 6'1" and 200 pounds soaking wet) at this
level. there is a major difference between the WAC and the PAC 10 or the other
BCS conferences. yeah i know give respect, it dont matter, ty detmer was small,
etc etc etc... the fact still remains this kid is small.is he a
competitor? sure he is but lets be honest high school doesnt amount for squat
after you have played in college. it doesnt matter who he beat or didnt beat at
logan high.as for preferential treatment in the mission field that
is up to the mission president not the missionary. if there is an issue the
church leadership will handle it.BYU has a long history of bringing
in a host of qb's and using em and losing em as does every other major
university in the country so nothing new there.i wish him luck and
hopes that he will make a good accounting of himself.
Are there no ethics in Provo? The recent recruiting (stealing) of Riley Nelson
from USU while serving a mission makes one wonder. I dont totally blame Riley
for being interested in going to another school, but from all accounts he didnt
initiate this contact. Only one year into his mission, shouldnt Elder Riley be
concentrating on something other that playing sports at BYU. This is definitely
a dichotomy of action on BYUS part. Is this common practice by the school that
holds itself so high above the rest? I can see this happening at other major big
schools, but at the Y? All I can say is dont fly the righteous flag too high if
you are going to resort to these kind of tactics that put you in the same league
with other universities when it comes to ethics related to the sports programs
I have strong connections to the Logan Hight football program and if Riley
Nelson is 6'1, then I am 7'6. He is 5'9 at best and can barely through the ball
30 yards. He is a great athlete, but not an elite quarterback. He simply
does not have the size or the strength to be successful at the college level.
If BYU was emailing Riley on a regular basis, what was the USU coaching staff
doing? Faith without works is dead.
At BYU, will forever be a back up!
Shouldn't he have been focusing on his missionary work? Shouldn't BYU have let
him focus on his work? It is strange to me that BYU would distract him from his
work by recruiting him.
Let me get this striaght you are comparing Riley Nelson to Michael Jordan. Your
comparing Utah 3A football to the NBA. I don't care if you do use the excuse "At
the level at which he competed". I can name you athletes all over the state of
Utah that have dominated their sport far more than Riley Nelosn. so he won one
game in college as a freshman. Utah has had freshman that have won the NCAA. If
your going to compare other sports like basketball and football, Try Cael
Sanderson from Wasatch. There are many more.I take it you were not a sports
correspondant for long.
Comparing Nelson to Jordan? Wow, in what world are you living? Nelson is a great
competitor and comes from a winning high school program. But even the almighty
Nelson only won one game at USU. It takes a team effort to make a winning team.
Thats why I think one single player is not going to make a difference. I pity
the Y for thinking that.
3A football players in the state of Utah will never be in the top 5 recruits in
the country. Competition is too weak, the state is too small. Try California
with 30 million people and one state champ not 5 state championships divided
among the state.
All you BYU fans called Ben Olsen a traitor a liar and a coward for transferring
to UCLA. Even when the coach that recruited him from BYU was fired while he was
on his misson. Now your all ok about Riley transfering to BYU, what hypocrites.
You Jazz fans called Fisher a traitor for going back to the Lakers. You guys are
so phoney, if it benefits you it's all ok, anyone else are traitors.
This all seems a little fishy to me. i mean sure it happens (ben olsen). but
the strange thing is it's BYU. this school should be promoting missionaries to
stay focused on there mission. he still won't be home for about ten months.
usually when you get your scholarships in order or you start worrying about
housing is towards the end of your mission this kid is just past his one year
mark. i sat in front of Riley's Grandma and grandpa at almost every home game
last year. it just seems sad his grandma will have to go clear down to provo to
watch his games. oh well best of luck to you Riley. loved the win against
I love how Bronco only expects players to honor their commitments to BYU.
Everytime Bronco puts on one of his "firesides" he preaches integrity and
sportmanship. He doesn't seem to practice what he preaches or demand it from
Riley... why???... you were the chosen one... you were supposed to bring balance
to the force... not leave it in such a mess... so long dear brother...
The truth is, Riley wanted to sign with BYU when he came out of Logan High but
the Cougs were loaded at the QB position at the time and Riley felt like he had
the chance to start by signing with USU. Another big reason he signed with USU
was he could play in front of his home town and his family could come to his
games. Even though he was a Parade Al American, he didn't have a lot of D1
schools knocking at his door because of his size. Logan did play some of the 5A
and 4A powers his senior year and Logan beat most, if not all of them. Someone
else out there might be able to clarify this point. Riley is a winner and can
beat you with the pass and with his running abilities. Needless to say Riley
will be fun to watch no matter who he plays for.
How do you know what kind of college player he will be? He was a freshman
quarterback playing at USU with no line, no backs, and no receivers. You don't
know if he will be special until he gets experience and plays with some talent.
Very few quarterbacks ever look special as a freshman. Thanks for your input
though Vince Lombardi.
To those who doubt the 3-A ranks, consider this: When Logan won the state title
in 2005, they beat eventual 5-A champion Skyline the week before the playoffs
started. And they beat them good. When a 3-A school dominates the future 5-A
champ, there has to be a good reason, and it's almost all Nelson in this case.
I worked as a sports correspondent for a Utah newspaper that season and still
believe that Nelson is the most dominant athlete I've ever seen (at the level at
which he competed). For example, Michael Jordan never dominated the NBA like
Nelson dominated Utah high school football. The kid was absolutely unstoppable.
Even in Logan's only loss that season (to Alta, one of the largest schools in
the state), it took terrible play by Logan's receivers and defense to give the
Hawks a narrow victory. Believe the hype. Nelson is a winner. Go back to the
Fresno State game and watch. He was 18, playing his first real college game,
and the Aggies got a rare win. I almost pity the Y's opponents.
One bad season and he bolts? They don't make northern Utah farm boys like they
used to. At least the Aggies can console themselves knowing that only selfish
players quit on their teams. Let him go compete with the other quitter, Max
Hall, for a spot, and go find someone with backbone. I would like to
see recruiting come to an end in college football. No coach has anyone's
interest but his own in mind. Now we're even recruiting kids on missions? This
As a Y fan, I'm happy to have Riley join the team, I watched him play a few
times in HS and the kid is the real deal. If he was a couple inches taller he
probably would have been somewhere around the top 5 most recruited players in
the country his senior year. As for the Aggies; I feel bad for them, I wish they
could somehow turn that program back around. Obviously this doesn't help.
I was surprised how well Nelson played as a freshman for Utah State. I was also
surprised with his ability and leadership skills. This is a very tough loss for
Utah State. This shouldn't be looked at as a pie in the face to the Aggies.
The fact is the Cougar football success under Mendenhall is getting noticed and
many young football athletes want to be a part of it. Success like this has
worked the same way for Stu Morrill and Aggie basketball.
When Ben Olsen decided to transfer from BYU to UCLA, I fully supported his
decision.Just as I fully support Riley Nelson's decision to transfer
from Utah St. to BYU.What business is it of anybody else's to
question where Riley decides to go to school.Those who want to make
weak arguments that it was wrong for Riley to be thinking about such things
while he was on his mission are suffering from a case of sour grapes.Contrary to someone people's biased remarks, EVERY missionary, no matter how
dedicated, thinks about what they're going to do following their mission.Those who think that BYU was bombarding Riley with constant emails are
wrong.Missionaries rarily have an opportunity to check email more
than once a week, during their preparation day. I'm certain that
Bronco is well aware of this and did his upmost to respect Riley's commitment to
his missionary service. A weekly email from BYU to Riley, with the mission
president's permission, would not have been anymore disruptive than an email
from his family.Riley, afterall, is a normal, intelligent young man
who is fully capable of ignoring any emails that he isn't interested in reading.
I watched Riley Nelson play football, and he is definitely one of the best
football players to come out of the state of Utah over the last 5 years. He
along with Alta's Jordan Anderson are two of the best players I have seen. It
is not just enough to have talent and speed, as Riley has both, but the kid is
just a flat out winner....Watch for some announcements coming from USU where
QB's are leaving BYU to go to USU! Because Riley is a better QB than Max Hall
is right now!
Welcome to the Y, son.
Riley did play the best in the state. His senior year Logan played Skyline at
Skyline and won by about 20 points. That same year Logan won the 3A and
Sklyline won the 5A state championships.
At least he won't have to change his colors, just logos.
It is nice to see that BYU uses the 2 years of missionary service to recruit. I
can understand other schools, but BYU should understand the priorities. How can
you blame the "church school" when he has the mission president's permission. I
wonder if cougar nation will soon be able to find out the latest status of all
their prep missionary recruits in a special section of rivals.com. Fortunately
now I know what Bronco means when he mentions integrity and abiding by church
Corrections, we are have won the last 2 lower level bowl games
Thanks to all the Cougar Fans for not being boastful. As an Aggie Faithful this
hurts but one player does not make a team. He's got tons of talent and will
probably do well if he is surrounded by the right players. Good luck to him.As for my Aggies, they need to show that the program has been improving. They
were in a bunch of games last year but couldnt pull it off. This year, they need
to win those games and if they dont, Coach Guy wont have to be upset about Riley
leaving, cuz he wont be here anymore. That being said, I hope we can pull
off an upset in October to show that USU is really not that bad of a place to go
play football. And if we have another bad season? There will always be
basketball and with Plaisted gone, the Aggies will rule ESA. :) Good luck to
both schools, just not to BYU when they play the Aggies. :)
If he wanted to go to BYU, why didn't he just go in the first place? And how is
he supposed to concentrate on his mission when he's got recruiters emailing him
nonstop? This just isn't right.
Riley is not 6'1" more like 5'11" also he was not a parade all american as a QB.
He was an all american all purpose player!!! because he comes from a small
school and played several positions. Let's make sure the facts are correct. He
will make a great QB he will be a starter I have watched him several times and
he can make it happen. I watched the game when Logan beat Skyline it was great.
They did beat up on some 5a teams. Good luck
As one who follows all 3 big universities in football, but mainly BYU football,
I honestly felt a little bad for USU. They are a program close to going down a
division, and then this happens. This year they have a tough road schedule, and
not so easy home schedule. I always hope teams like Duke, Florida
International, and SDSU can get out of their slumps, but it looks like USU is
destined to stay in theirs. I feel for ya Ags.
It looks like Utah State is again in a position to prop up the BYU football
program in the future with Riley. Readers may not remember that Lavell Edwards
played at USU and knew enough about football to lift BYU up from an also ran in
the WAC to a national contender. But USU is getting stronger and better each
year, it takes time to overcome being asleep in offbrand football for 40
years.The Aggies will be back.
Man, I watched the kid in high school and the few games he played in college.
All I gotta say is good luck byu. This kid was a great high school player, but
he wasn't anything special in college. Maybe he'll get better, but who knows.
Stop talking like your a Y fan. You're red all over! Weak arguments, this kid
is a national talent QB and everyone knows it! Funny how U fan
rubbed in Olsen bailing on the Cougs (and still do) during his mission, but now
suddenly when this happens to the cougs they're screaming "Foul"! C'mon have
Wow!!! This a huge blow to the Aggies. Riley Nelson was the future of the
program. To those of you who question his skills, wake up. This kid is the
real deal and will have no problem working his way into the BYU starting
position. Had USU been able to provide any kind of blocking for him as a
freshman he would have helped them win even more games. Their is a reason BYU
went after him. He is probably the most talented QB in the west. As an Aggie
fan it is painful to see this happen but winning will cure alot of pain and
winning in Logan just got much more difficult.
It is always amazing that someone has to express some negativity about a player
such as Nelson transferring to BYU. Either there is a question about when the
transfer occurred or what is the big deal about his coming to BYU.If
the shoe were on the other foot, such as he decided to switch schools like when
Olsen transferred to UCLA(they all laughed then)or the kid decided on USU or
Utah over BYU then all the haters would be out kackling about the recruiting
coup State or the 'U' just pulled off and, oh by the way, poor BYU(lol)lost a
good to great quarterback who saw the light, finally, and came home to one of
the truely great teams in the state, especially had it been the 'U'???One has to believe that eventually the really good ones will gravitate back to
BYU. This guy went to State becaause of the poor state of affairs of BYU
football when he signed with USU. Obviously things have improved in Provo???I site two 11-2 seasons, two bowl victories and 2 consecutive undefeated
MWC seasons.Bronco preaches quiet, intelligent consistency.I'm not surprised at all. Notice Utah wasn't even mentioned???????
Good job USU. Could you have made the decision any easier for him? BYU: 300+lb lineman, plenty of weapons, 60000 fans. Long shot at making it to
a respectful bowl game.USU: The excitement of playing San Jose St.
and the scotsman!!!This kid isn't stupid. To 3A??, I watched Riley
play at Logan High and he would have started and been the best player for any 4A
or 5A team in the state. See the record books.
Obviously a Ute troll scared that BYU has added another top notch
quarterback.He obviously thinks that the Utes should stop recruiting
players from Utah since only kids from California and Florida have any real
This is great for BYU. This kid is nothing but the best. I know this is not
easy for all fans in Cache Valley so I will not rub it in. I respect all you
great people and it is hard for us BYU fans when the shoe is on the other foot.
BTW you really had a tremendous talent and a fine hoop star in J.C. Carroll. He
made you all proud. Congrats!
There will be some people who will complain that this young man got some sort of
"special privileges" not afforded to other missionaries by talking to BYU
coaches. My grandfather died while I was in Argentina. I found out three weeks
later. You know, I am ok with this. I don't mind.My mom sent me
newspaper clippings about my high school football team. There were some issues
that we discussed as I had put my (academic) scholarship on hold, and housing
needed to be worked out before I came home again.If he feels that he
can improve his life by going to another school, how is this different from any
other person who wants to transfer schools while in the mission?As
for the Aggies whose feelings were hurt, the best revenge is winning.
Welcome to Cougartown Riley!!!
Nothing against him personally but just how large is a 3A school? Who has he
beaten besides Box Elder? Write a story when we land a top tier QB from
California or Florida. The real story should be why BYU has never
been good enough to play in a top level bowl game or why we can't even win most
bowl games in second tier bowls. Why is the program stuck in the mid-majors? Why
is our recruiting class no better than it was in the early 1980's??
Even as a BYU fan, I don't really like it that you can transfer schools without
sitting a year after the mission, the whole re-recruiting thing feels wrong to
me. That said I wish him and all student athletes the best in all their
I wish Nelson success at BYU. There seem to be lots of assumptions on what went
on in his 'recruitment'. I've never seen a more judgemental lot of people
(aren't you BYU, Ute and USU fans all really mostly LDS?? What do they teach you
in Sunday School in Utah these days?). All Nelson has done so far
is beat up on the best small schools in Utah and scored 13 points on Fresno
State. How will he do vs. PAC 10 or other top caliber teams??
Sorry Utah State, we really are, but such are the breaks! I hope this will be a
big benefit to BYU down the road!
First !!! Now ya'll go to sleep